Hot Riveting using SIMPLE hand tools! - 1932 Ford Frame (Roadster Build)

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  • @wwtrkr3189
    @wwtrkr3189 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Awesome job. I love TH-cam to hopefully minimise my own errors when I come to these trials, so thanks.
    Much enjoyment to watch.

  • @SchysCraftCo.
    @SchysCraftCo. ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's coming along nicely guys. Can't wait to see more videos soon. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Fab On. Weld On. Keep Making. God Bless.

  • @paulblack2402
    @paulblack2402 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice job again Jordan, that was certainly a learning curve.!!!!

  • @andymunns2579
    @andymunns2579 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hi - I found your video searching for footage for an article on hot riveting I'm writing for Engineers Australia students. Great work but some suggestions. Rivet holes need a little clearance as a hot rivet is slightly larger than a cold rivet. Drive more practice rivets and then cut your results down the rivet axis to show you filled the hole completely - First deformation of the rivet fills the hole, and then the head forms (This is a problem if you wedge a difficult rivet in position and then heat second). Your choice is rivet tongs is OK, but blacksmith tongs or multigrips do better. For small scale jobs like yours, cook your rivet in the frog of an ordinary house brick. Heat the brick first and wear good eye protection. Heat the rivet on the brick and not held with the tongs. Firebricks are better - See your local wood fire maker. Grip the rivet head and not the shank - Very important on small rivets like yours. Rivet passing must be quick and hot rivet must go quickly into its hole. You really must have a heavier dolly - Yours is too light. I'd look for a bar say 2" diameter by minimum 14" long. Also, long sleeves and long pants please as hot black flakes burn and distract. Think about a contrivance to wedge into tight holes where there are problem flanges and back up outside with a heavy dolly held on the flange outside. In the US, our holder upperer is called a "bucker". Suggest a large oxy welding tip will concentrate heat better on small rivet shanks. Oxy cutting tip is too general. Your driving is good, but the gun is a bit light. When rivet is cold, place your finger on both rivet and job - Then tap the rivet with a light hammer and feel for any looseness - If loose, cut out and try again as you don't want loose chassis rivets. Well done though, especially in an era when all of the old riveters have passed on.

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you Andy for the great information. Means a great deal. During the process of trying them a did cut a couple down the centre to see what they looked like. To my surprise they are really well formed. But definitely some awesome info here I’ve taken a lot from!

  • @thomaspollock4274
    @thomaspollock4274 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good on you for trying, and then powering through it to completion. Your attention to details makes your customs that much more unique. 🇨🇦

  • @barrysnell6775
    @barrysnell6775 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Suggestion: When you want two surfaces to match each other perfectly and their relevant dimensions are already close to each other, you can just lap them together, same way you'd hand lap intake and exhaust valves back in the day.
    Mount your riveting tool in the lathe chuck, put a rivet in the tailstock, add lapping compound, turn lathe on, and lap away. You'll probably go through a handful of rivets because the rivet head will also change dimension to match the tool, so swapping in a new one now and then will ensure the tool is what's changing.
    Cheers from the middle of America, mate. Love your channel, keep up the good work. 🙂

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not a bad idea Barry, might have to give it a try when I wear the other one out! Thanks 🙏🏽

  • @mopar4656
    @mopar4656 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The rivets should pull even tighter as they cool down. Nice work; looks factory. Henry'd be proud!

    • @martinsteele3259
      @martinsteele3259 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was thinking that the rivets might have expanded too much to fit in the hole. But I was wrong lol. Awesome work Jordon and good point on the cooling factor.

  • @joecioe8566
    @joecioe8566 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job at the strive for perfection.

  • @MakeItKustom
    @MakeItKustom ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a neat capability to have in the shop! Well done figuring it out man 👊👊👊 looks so good

  • @murdoc6501
    @murdoc6501 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Fantastic. Between you, Karl (Make it Kustom) and Iron Trap Garage, I am awed by the exposition, skill and ingenuity shared when it comes to building these amazing machines! Thank you and Go Bennetts Customs! Keep moving forward!

  • @larryreece1403
    @larryreece1403 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    cleco pliers work pretty good for holding hot rivets and setting them in place. great work!

  • @SPH56
    @SPH56 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the look and strength of the hot rivets. Appears to be very beefy and I'm sure you shouldn't need to add any welding. In fact you may not want to do so from a properties stand point as the weld may constrict the expansion and contraction inherent to riveting resulting in a fracture. Just a thought.

  • @Codycreatesthings
    @Codycreatesthings ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great work Jordan. Reminds me of when i did extensions on truck chassis as a 16yr old apprentice. We use a portable horse shoe forge to keep all the rivets hot so you could work quickly.

  • @garysargeson2539
    @garysargeson2539 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Looking tidy mate, enjoying the videos - thanks for sharing 😎😎

  • @dennislester1883
    @dennislester1883 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Jordan
    Try useing a large welding tip not the cutting touch it will direct the heat more on the rivot rather than the chassis
    Just a thought

  • @daleking8529
    @daleking8529 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great job!! I have a 32 frame in the shop now to rivet the front crossmember in so this was timely for me. The instructions that came with the rivets said the same 1 1/2 times the thickness.

  • @tomfortson5147
    @tomfortson5147 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jordan, you really did a great job figuring out how to hot rivet! Loved this episode!

  • @gregjobson4844
    @gregjobson4844 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Not a bad effort Jordan getting those rivets in mostly on your own and definitely worth a beer or two at the end, those air chisels can be very versatile by making custom anvils to suit the application and the chassis looks A1 now. Will be looking forward to the next stage Cheers Greg

  • @sheridancolwell2729
    @sheridancolwell2729 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great look. Great job . Jordan

  • @johnkranz4004
    @johnkranz4004 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very nice job Jordan

  • @kimber1958
    @kimber1958 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    NICELY done

  • @ericargo9157
    @ericargo9157 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Damn Jordan, you never cease to amaze. Well done.

  • @hankburton2043
    @hankburton2043 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Enjoy your cold beer mate great vids keep them coming

  • @michaelgillespie1206
    @michaelgillespie1206 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was pretty neat, you practiced it a few times, and now I think you've got riveting down pat.

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Definitely no pro, was a great learning curve, for niece time I will try some other ideas

  • @warrencole2974
    @warrencole2974 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great work jordan, looked hot hard going but worked a treat

  • @gavjohnson5343
    @gavjohnson5343 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great to see the process. Love the channel. Gets me hyped to work on my own project without rules or following the conventional restoration line. Way more interesting. Wish I could come lend a hand and drink a beer.

  • @garyfairbrother5532
    @garyfairbrother5532 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your video was riveting. It took me back to movie cartoon days where the riveter’s helper would yell: “HOOOT RIIIVET!!!” Then they would sling it with tongs to the riveter who would catch it in a funnel shaped scoop. That detail is not only fitting and pleasing but much safer and reliable than the alternatives. I wish I had something to rivet, lol.

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rivet some flat bar together for practice! Haha it’s fun and really loud.

  • @mikehaskins5749
    @mikehaskins5749 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you had the head of a drill ground on a Monoset grinder to the radius of the rivet head, on your driver and buck, once hardened, they would work beautifully, with no imperfections. Once this machine is setup, you could have several bits made for economy. Keep up the good work!

  • @brucebryant8256
    @brucebryant8256 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great episode, take a look at the film of how they built the Sydney Harbour Bridge, it was a 2-man operation to do 1 rivet. Can't wait to see more Jordan.

  • @stevevermeulen7611
    @stevevermeulen7611 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fascinating. Really enjoyed watching your process. Looks great!

  • @Juan-fu6vq
    @Juan-fu6vq ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You think real good OUTSIDE THE BOX !!! THATS GREAT....I like how you think.

  • @gregvanderboom5011
    @gregvanderboom5011 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's a hot day sweaty day hot riveting. Awesome job doing it alone. Red hot steel will burn through the body like butter so PPE is important... leather is your friend. 3 man team is great 1 guy has the gun, 1 guy has the bucking bar and one guy handles the rivets and is on safety watch. Mini forge can be made using a BBQ with a hair dryer and ducting made from metal tubing or even tin foil. Steel rivets like that I'd expect a bucking bar minimum of 3 Lbs. Larger rivet gun too... At least 1/2 inch shank. Rivet should stick out 1.5 times the diameter of the rivet for a plain flat head for a universal head it would be longer like 2D. Thank you for the video. I appreciate you please don't hurt yourself but have fun.

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the great info Greg! Much appreciated

  • @timferriss905
    @timferriss905 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very enjoyable watch. I share all your vids with my eldest grandson Liam. We was on the path of getting him a model A chassis. (He’s 15) till his mums daily took a dump. So the funds had to be diverted to that but we will get there soon. I’m sure Jordan we will be using some of your techniques. Thanks keep them coming.Tim.

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s too bad to hear. Where abouts are you guys located?

    • @timferriss905
      @timferriss905 ปีที่แล้ว

      We live in the midlands England. So I’m sure when we get the funds back together we will get a frame. He wants to do body and paint as a career. So it’s all a learning curve for him.cheers.

  • @michaelanderson3771
    @michaelanderson3771 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great results Jordan.
    An old art for sure .
    need a small blacksmith forge for the rivets I think if you were going to be doing this all the time
    or one of those induction coil tools to put over the rivets.

  • @Juan-fu6vq
    @Juan-fu6vq ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a lot of experience with form blocks . Working all my life as a sheet metal aircraft mechanic. We used Phenolic. . Very hard material. Easy to cut . But don't breathe the dust !!!!!!.

  • @jongolliher3806
    @jongolliher3806 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really enjoyed that, Jordan! I've never seen hot riveting before. That had to be a two-man job, so I was amazed. Oh, I think you had Henry inspiring you to do well! :) Anyway, thanks lots for the video and best wishes Jordan!

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Definitely a 2 man old, just tried it again for another video coming out tomorrow- way easier that’s for sure

  • @cam42799
    @cam42799 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm not sure if its been mentioned before but I used rivet jacks as opposed to using a hand held buck. It just means they must be heated in location but it worked great on my 32 frame

  • @kenfusselman1622
    @kenfusselman1622 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rivet technique is available in aircraft sheet metal books. With steel hot rivets just upsize equipment and add the heat component. You need much heavier bucking bar and welding on a rivet set will eventually fail because it's tool steel

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว

      A bigger bucking bar forsure! Yeah the weld cracked a couple times on my little tool I just gave it another pass and got them done

  • @larryreece1403
    @larryreece1403 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i got my Midnight special T shirt! I love it, and the hat! Cheers Jordan!

  • @glennstatham960
    @glennstatham960 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    (also, if you're having trouble getting the hot, expanded rivet in the hole, the hole is maybe too small? There definitely needs room for a lot of the rivet to 'barrel' and swell to get a tight grip?)

  • @jasonshaw9240
    @jasonshaw9240 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thoughly enjoyed watching an learning more 👍 👌 next video ur making the hotrod hot up brace ,now I'm nearly up to date. Lol.

  • @thomasking2081
    @thomasking2081 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    GREAT VIDEO JORDAN, WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF HOT RIVETING ON OTHER AREAS

  • @Raceydog
    @Raceydog ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You could use a cold rivet in a drill with grinding compound to fine tune the buck and driver. Or maybe use a press and push a cold rivet into the buck and driver after heating them up.

  • @jefferywise1906
    @jefferywise1906 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Next go around make a rivit tong out of flat bar. They look like something you could easily make.
    An induction coil to heat up a cold rivit in place might also help a lot. Save gas as well.

  • @glassblastcollision
    @glassblastcollision ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just thinking out loud ,If a person had a 4 inch copper plate with 1 inch legs and has a hole a tiny bit bigger then your rivet hole so it can easily be lifted out of the copper heating table with your air chisel rivet tool that has some rare earth magnets on the side of it which magnitizes the tool to lift the rivet.This enables you to heat from above and below. Now you can lay the torch on it's side to keep your next rivet hot in the little table. The hole in the frame will need to be slightly bigger so your hot rivet will slide in easily.This gap with tighten as you hammer the tools together. I find the hotter and more quickly you can get the operation done the better the results become. Like Wray says metal is clay. Great job anyways ! Looking sweet!!

  • @fonhollohan2908
    @fonhollohan2908 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think you did pretty dern good job first time attempting this! looks alright to me.

  • @dc85337
    @dc85337 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another trick is to get the head very hot and pound it over an actual rivet. That would give you a perfect fitting shape on both sides (pieces)
    Watch how they built the steel structures when riveting was the only way. They would throw a rivet from ground to 3-4 stores up and buck them into a column!

  • @dryaremkevich
    @dryaremkevich ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome!!...looks great

  • @kurtludwig6962
    @kurtludwig6962 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve not done hot rivets before. But I’ve done aluminum rivets. My pal worked for aerospace company and the head of rivet went on outside and the Bucky (me) held pressure against shank on inside

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว

      Would work well if I could get to them. Unfortunately not in this situation

  • @jimdean7335
    @jimdean7335 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The rivets will grow when heated so it may be necessary for the hole to be enlarged a bit so you can insert the rivets quicky.

  • @wrstew1272
    @wrstew1272 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Length of the rivet matters, there is “common requirements “ in the aircraft industry dictating length and sizes- information should be available online. I have only driven cold rivets, but the size you are doing would imply a heavier gun- or more air pressure for quicker driving. Great to see you experimental work!

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah you’re completely right, have been reading lately!

  • @bufords
    @bufords ปีที่แล้ว +1

    best setup I've seen is a hydraulic clamp with dies. They use them when restoring old steam trains etc. You did well, but it is a 2 man job.

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว

      Definitely learned quickly I needed extra hands

  • @Codycreatesthings
    @Codycreatesthings ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We used a 12" piece of axle with a dimple. Worked really well. To short a anvil end bounced too much

  • @tarouyamada2686
    @tarouyamada2686 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That rivet bouncing around, you wearing shorts... made me recoil in my chair. Knowing my luck, that bit would have ended in my shoe, homing right there near the ankle 😂
    Kudos for pushing it, testing different methods. 🤙

    • @wrstew1272
      @wrstew1272 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But it only hurts till it quits! Welder in Phoenix Arizona in my youth, all of my shirts looked like victims of a shotgun blast.

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s every piece of clothing a own,

    • @hotrodchris805
      @hotrodchris805 ปีที่แล้ว

      You could at the very least use some of the blue tape I see lying around to seal the top of your boots around your legs. Fun getting it off, ouch, bug less ouch than a hot rivet down the boot. Good job nonetheless!!

  • @donaldhalls2189
    @donaldhalls2189 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    To be doing it by yourself, turning out great, what if you make your buck so you can put a clamp each side of the buck to hold it? obviously depending on room etc, it's coming together great, all the best to you and your loved ones

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Definitely thought about this, I will create one to use in areas needed

  • @carswithcrackers
    @carswithcrackers ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm sure you're probably done with it by now, but there's a "Pakistan Truck" channel on TH-cam that breaks down and rebuilds commercial truck frames. They have some cool screw Jack's they use for vertical rivets in the channel. They do it all with sledge hammers, but the principle is still the same.

  • @christianiverson3346
    @christianiverson3346 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You might consider making your hammer and anvil forms out of D2 tool steel, and having them heat treated. It’s tough to machine in an annealed state, yet once hardened/tempered, they will be extremely wear resistant.

  • @rayganter8029
    @rayganter8029 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ball End Mill is what you need to make your Sets ....they will work in a Lathe and come in all sizes

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s it! I couldn’t remember what they were called

  • @dennisschickling2249
    @dennisschickling2249 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice Video. Looks Great. I would have used the Factory head of the rivet on the spot that will be seen.
    #STAYSAFE
    #PHILLYPHILLY 🇺🇸
    #FLY EAGLES FLY 🦅

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Too tough to get the hammer in. They basically look the same

  • @debeeriz
    @debeeriz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    make an induction coil that wraps around the rivet, and heat the rivet with that

  • @stevewilliams2498
    @stevewilliams2498 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was taught one and a half times the diameter of the rivet.
    Not the material.
    This makes more sense.
    You don't want different lengths to peen over.
    The size of the finished head shoukd be consistent and will totally depend on the stick out.

  • @hellonwheelz3317
    @hellonwheelz3317 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What car will you be running that 32 Ford grille on? The one hanging on the wall to the right of the Champion spark plug sign. I want to see that one when its done.

  • @walkingwithdogs8547
    @walkingwithdogs8547 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job, but you need a bigger air hammer with longer stroke. Yes two people does make it easier but still need longer stroke air hammer.

  • @williamcurry2444
    @williamcurry2444 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My names Buck and I'm here to ...
    mushroom. LOL

  • @dirtywelder483
    @dirtywelder483 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great lesson damn dude keep em coming..oh and how did you go with evan from hampdon industries..???

  • @yoerim360
    @yoerim360 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    did u make the long part too or only cut off and welded the nut on an existing part?

  • @petesturgeon5596
    @petesturgeon5596 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great work where do you source your rivets from thinking of doing the same on my chassis? Cheers

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว

      There’s a couple places in the states that do them. I’ve had these ones for years, think they came from a garage sale

  • @xavierwalker4639
    @xavierwalker4639 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🤙

  • @tat255987
    @tat255987 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    23:14 would be time to back away and regroup for me.

  • @adamdunhill9136
    @adamdunhill9136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you considered an induction heater to heat your rivits

  • @terrycarter8929
    @terrycarter8929 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used grade 8 button head bolts to the outside. I would love to put rivets instead....

  • @TwoFeathersFarm
    @TwoFeathersFarm ปีที่แล้ว

    Wouldn’t a ball mill with the correct profile be an easier way to make the tools?

  • @rocklamarre9717
    @rocklamarre9717 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the buck goes on the outside and heat only inside and hit inside with your zip gun

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว

      I think either way would work. Hard to get inside with the gun

  • @joachimsingh2929
    @joachimsingh2929 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sounds like someone from Ahstrayah moved to kentucky.

  • @tat255987
    @tat255987 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder how an induction heater would work

    • @bennettscustomsco
      @bennettscustomsco  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Would be a great addition for the future

    • @michaelanderson3771
      @michaelanderson3771 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bennettscustomsco eBay for $350.00- &380.00 with a number of different coils in the kit

  • @glennstatham960
    @glennstatham960 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Benn can't get on the back in 'his' gloves - you're wearing them!

  • @59vaughn
    @59vaughn ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Study the ww2 airframe makers riveting processes..esp those englanders....

  • @jakleo337
    @jakleo337 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you want to see some great back yard production riveting and the homemade tools they use check out 'Pakistani Truck' and similar vids.

  • @mikehaskins5749
    @mikehaskins5749 ปีที่แล้ว

    I worked in an aircraft factory for 39 years buddy and your driver (rivet) needs to be flushed up against the metal and your larger buck does the bucking of the rivet. It will suck it up tight!

  • @craiganthony6532
    @craiganthony6532 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Don't worry, I was swearing for you! 🤬

  • @brutusjb3814
    @brutusjb3814 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    youre heating the base metal and changing its temper....... probably undesirable

  • @thestreets5206
    @thestreets5206 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tidy matey 👌

  • @ТуристТурист-м3ь
    @ТуристТурист-м3ь ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Заклёпку нельзя греть на месте установки. Если не добил заклёпку по причине её остывания, это брак, нужно срезать и делать заново. Нагревать и добивать категорически нельзя! На такую операцию, нужно позвать помощников.
    Нагревать заклёпки, в идеале нужно в печи с регулятором температуры. Температура нагрева должна соответствовать типу заклёпки.

  • @BenGenderson
    @BenGenderson ปีที่แล้ว

    If i remember correctly the rivets were heated up before going into the plates

  • @leen6bt
    @leen6bt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've seen those paki truck repair guys use a sort of turnbuckle that presses against the head of the rivet from the opposite chassis rail. That way you also force the crossmember tight against the chassis.

    • @guygallaway3093
      @guygallaway3093 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They have hot riveting perfected!

    • @wrstew1272
      @wrstew1272 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@guygallaway3093 barefoot wearing flammable clothes working in the streets. Some amazing stuff.

    • @guygallaway3093
      @guygallaway3093 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wrstew1272 ...as well as complete trust in the guy swinging hammers with full blows while holding punches and chisels!