45-70 ⚡️Shocking⚡️ Accuracy !
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- Accuracy testing with the new Ruger-made Marlin Guide gun in 45-70. Some ranges will be looong! Hornady LeverEvolution, Remington, and Hornady Subsonic ammo downrange!
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Thanks for watching! Janet pointed out that some of you might not understand the term MOA. It is an abreviation for Minute Of Angle. Most hunting scopes have click adjustments that are calibrated in fractions of inches, i.e. 1/4", 1/8". etc. per click. This typically means that is how far the point of impact of your bullet will move with each click of the scope turrets. This particular scope is set up with 1/2 MOA clicks. So each click moves the point of impact a Minute of angle or roughly 1/2" at 100 yards, which translates to 1" at 200 yards, and 1 and 1/2" at 300 yards. The Hornady ballistic calculator just happens to canculate MOA, which makes adjustments easier.
One thing to point out for people (if you don't mind): there is no Imperial vs. Metric in angular measurements. It's two unique systems that define angles, where the shooter's shoulder is the fulcrum, and the muzzle is the radial pivot. One is minutes and the other is radians. Divisions of minutes and divisions of radians are sub-divided as "seconds" or "milli" (as in deci-, centi-, milli-....divisions of 10) respectively.
@@exothermal.sprocket Waaaay over my head, partner. But thanks just the same.
@@waynehajek6346 Haha, well I'm sorry I tried. Thanks for the thanks!
@@exothermal.sprocket No, I really mean that was great info, just above my simplistic means of understanding. I'm just used to "walking them in". 😉
@@waynehajek6346 Cool, understood. I found a chart which shows what a Radian is, or smaller milliradian. See if this link works for you. www.recoilweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/mil2.jpg
George, what I just witnessed was some outstanding shooting and as for going through 6 boxes of 45-70, all I can say is....."You're a better man than I, Gunga Din".
Thanks, Max!
Thanks! I have an old 1895, and now feel much more confident with 200-300 yard shots! Love your videos, keep em coming!
Love your range! And always fun to see the arc of .45-70 at long distances!
Wow! That was some really great shooting! And I've always loved that beautiful 1895 Guide Gun. Hope your shoulder isn't bruised from so many rounds! Also hope your wallet isn't hurting from so many rounds. Loved watching you zoom through those woods on your beautiful farm too. Thanks for the time and effort and expense and hard work in bringing us another fun and very informative video! Please keep them coming!
Thanks! I appreciate that!
I've been a follower for just about 6months. The production quality of the videos is a 10+. All content is also a 10+. It's rare in 2023 to have this. Only a select few people are posting content of this quality. And best of all you'll never have to worry about foul language from George. Keep up the fantastic work.
Wow, thank you! I really appreciate that!
@@TargetSuiteGeorge this is the first video of yours I've ever seen, but you sir are all Class!!! Subbed!!!
Thank you George ,
I just stumbled across you...
I've been considering 45-70 recently & this helps my learning their capabilities... I'll be back... I'm looking forward to more of your work & catching up on your previous videos.
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Great presentation as always and 45-70 is one of my all time favorite cartridges. Keep up the great work!
Thanks! I really appreciate your generosity and the encouraging comment.
Great video, impressive shooting. I love 45-70.
George, Great looong range 45-70 shooting and a great video. That Hornady LeverEvolution sure hits with Authority and great accuracy at 300 yards. Thanks for a great video!
Thanks! I appreciate your comment!
Thanks for taking your time to make this video for us. I know it's hard work but, someone has to do it.
Must be lots of fun working with a 45-70.
Good for you, my friend.
Good video. Got a Marlin 45-70 Guide Gun and love it. Thanks for the comparisons. Sure indicates the Hornady Red Tip ammo.
Our local range is only 200 yards so I’m starting out just a tetch jealous Señor George. You sure have some pretty green land! Blessings brother!
Thanks! Unfortunately along with the green comes the mosquitoes. They are out already!
Impressed with the performance of the rifle and the ammo. Surprised with the “wind drift”. I shoot a lot of 45-70 out of single shot rifles (Sharps, High Wall, Rolling Block, 1886) and rarely experience that kind of wind drift using black and smokeless powder and 405 to 535 gr lead cast bullets. Thanks for the time, effort and expense of bringing this video to us George!!!
What? I thought modern 45-70 loadings weren't safe in the Sharps. They were only meant for cartridge loading of a 405 grain bullet propelled by a powder charge of 70 grains of black powder. Unless the new ones are beefier. I don't know much about sharps. I have a Ruger #1 in 45-70 falling block.
@@buddyrevelle736 These rifles are modern reproductions and perfectly safe to shoot smokeless powder as long as your following the loading data from a up to date manual.
George,
Just another fantastic video! Absolutely enjoyed the heck out of that! Also regardless of some wind there that still was some pretty darn good shooting! The steel rang!
Thanks! I really appreciate that!
That was a great video! I love ballistics and I loved watching how you had to make adjustments for distances and loads. One size DOES NOT fit all 👍
Thanks! And you are right. It doesn't take much and you need to make adjustments.
Excellent video. Thanks for the demonstration.Outstanding shooting.
Thanks for watching!
I have the same rifle, I am very pleased with it. All I can say I am glad it was your shoulder doing the test!! I load the heavy load to keep in moose camp as we have a lot of grizzly bears here in the Yukon.
Good shooting! One thing I noticed with your Ruger-Marlin is the improved loading gate operation. I have a model 1895 in .44 mag that was one of Remington’s made towards the end of their ownership of Marlin. That loading gate was as stiff as hell and sharp on the edges. I actually used 5 bandaids to patch up my fingers from loading the magazine the first time. The rifle shot fine but Remingtons attention to detail was dismal. I had to take a stone to all the edges when I got home.
Nice video! Looks like Ruger got it right with the Marlin lever gun. I always knew Marlin 336's were a great design and more accurate than people gave 'em credit for being. Glad to see Ruger keep 'em alive and produce a quality rifle in the process.
What cracking video. Thanks George.
Excellent camera work! Makes your videos worth watching.
Great video! I have always wanted a 45-70, and finally picked one up a few years ago (Remington made). She is absolutely beautiful and I was excited to sight her in. I have a full three rounds through her now, and she is still beautiful in my safe. 6 boxes is just studly!
Awesome shooting the 45-70 is my favorite cartridge I own a Ruger marlin guide gun like yours it’s the coolest gun ever
It is a cool gun! And I'm really surprised at how well it shoots. I knew it was pretty good just from the short range work I've done but this was fantastic at 200 and 300 yards. Thanks for watching!
Always like a .45/ 70 and this one looks spot on. Nice work.
George, I am impressed! That is remarkable precision from that particular platform. Very, very cool. And nice shooting!
Like you, I was really surprised at the Precision the Ruger made Marlin Barrel is capable of. That sure opens up a lot of possibilities for having fun, if you know what I mean.
Thank you, outstanding effort !
Thank you! I really appreciate your support!
Nice shooting and great video. I love my 45-70 Marlin Guide Gun. I am at the age where I could not shoot as many 45-70 rounds as you did in this video with out wearing a PAST shoulder recoil pad. They help a lot. I also like the Hornady FTX 325 gn bullet and reload my own ammo. These rifles are super accurate. Short barrel, stiff and almost thick enough to be described as a bull barrel.
Ruger seems to be making some very nice lever guns. About the Marlin Brand was making a come back.
Good job, love the 45-70. Thanks George
Thank you! And thank you for watching!
The Ole War Horse 45/70 Govt. Was The Original Long Range Cartridge. Awesome video My Friend.
Relatively new viewer here, really appreciate your videos. Thank you!
Thanks! Glad to have you!
Janet just let me know that Super Thanks were starting to show up in the comments. It took me a few minutes to realize I had to change my comment search criteria to see them. Thank you so much.
Great shooting and great advice 👍
Love it. I can't wait to get my new to me 35Rem 336A, unmolested waffle top with Lyman aperture out to 200. The reason you needed more MOA adjustment may be because of actual velocity vs what the box says. Not sure if you chronographed each load for "your rifles" velocity for the calculations. Great work sir! Enjoy your lever action videos almost as much as I like shooting my own.
Great fun, thanks! Rick 👍
Thanks Rick!
Awesome videos thanks for the great info and videos
Thanks for watching and thank you for your comment!
Thanks!
Thank you, Bud! I really appreciate this!
Man that was a lot of work you put into the video. A lot of shooting, riding down range and repainting the targets, research, practice and more. I even noticed when driving down range you anchored the 100 and 200 yard call outs to stick with the target. That was a lot of ammo too. I posted a video the other day called Plinking with the 45-70. I had a box of Fiocchi 45-70 Government 405 Grain Lead Round Nose Flat Point. It is listed as Shooting Dynamics Ammunition, but I've been referring to it as Cowboy Action ammo. The advertised MV is 1185 FPS. I zeroed the gun with the Federal Fusion 300 grain at 80 yards so the 405 grain drops a lot at that distance. Anyway, I love just offhand shooting this big old slow round and put together the clips of each time I had it out and when I was just slinging lead down range. Nothing compared to the long hard work that you've put into making this video for sure. So thanks so much for your hard work.
Thanks for your comment! It's encouraging to have someone watching who knows what goes into producing a video. This one was a little over the top but still a lot of fun. Just the editing alone took about 9 hours.
Nice, I have a marlin 30/30 and a Henry 45/70 loved both videos
Great choice to include Sub-X. That time of flight to 300 on the Sub-X really shows that you should keep it inside 100 for hunting. The target could do all kinds of things in the time it takes for it to get there
Well said! Fun to shoot, and certainly effective within 100 yards. But just not appropriate for longer range hunting.
No reason to ever shoot the subsonic ammo over 100 yards
What’s the purpose of this ammo? Better close range takedown power perhaps?
Wouldn’t the twist rate affect the accuracy with the lower muzzle velocity? Maybe there’s a specific barrel matched to the subsonic ammunition?
@@stevennagel9264 🤔 Never heard that speed is an issue related to twist rate. Only in the context of stabilization of longer projectiles. So you are saying for subsonics you need an even lower twist rate?
Ooof da, benchresting a 45-70.....for six boxes to boot, better man than I....another great video, thank you!
You are welcome!
Quality content costs money to make. Every little bit helps people!
Thanks Target Suite.
Amen and thanks!
You make my favorite videos & I watch a lot of them.
Very nice shooting George!
Thank you sir! And thank you for watching!
That is some amazing shooting, well done thanks for the video.
I tip my hat to you.
I had to retire my 11 lb 1885 Uberti Hi Wall 4570 the recoil was just too much. I was shooting a 510 grain Postell over 67 greens black powder,
After 20 rounds or so my vision started to go away and became blurry.
So shooting that light lever gun with that much recoil AND being so accurate is admirable…
Congrats on the new rifle and fine shooting sir
I just subscribed to your channel and I love it
That was fun to watch. Thanks George.
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice shots. God bless you
That new Marlin looks like it works pretty well and my dad told me that lever evolution was some hot stuff.
Great vid! I’d love to see what old iron ladder sights could do..not that you could really see anything at 300 yards! I took my original barrel mounted ladder sight off my old Win 86 (great grandads from 1897) in favor of a Lyman #2 tang sight and that could be a fun comparison between those two options. I’m pretty sure a good tang sight is the way to go, just from better sight radius. 45-70 is fun! And painful..on the shoulder and the wallet!
Very nice video, thanks !!!
Thanks!
Love the gun. Keep the video coming
Recently got my hands on one of these. This thing is awesome - I put a skinner on it since I typically hunt with the 30-30
Thanks! Hey love to see you shoot the Rossi 92 454 with a progressive range of loads from 45 colt through the hot 454 loads for a impact and recoil perspective.
You bet!
Oh and someone needs to gift you a Cosmi in 45/70 so you can compare that with the Marlin. I'll check my lottery tickets.
By the way, I just figured out how to tell if someone gives me a Super Thanks and noticed yours. Thank you very much!
@@TargetSuite first time I've figured out how to send one.
Liked before watching.... Thank you!
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Very interesting and entertaining! I have JM Marlin Guide Gun that I bought new in 2000, for a whopping $362 (I had an FFL, hence below MSRP). It has the straight grip and the ported barrel. I like the new ones better with the pistol grip and nicer walnut. Mine has the Skinner aperture sight as I refuse to put a scope on a lever gun. Yes, I know it limits range and enlarges group size. I am impressed with this video and your shooting. All my ammo consists of my handloads with various cast and jacketed bullets, but I would like to try the Hornady sub-sonic. In your shooting, it takes noticeably longer to reach 300 yards. I thought all three loads performed remarkably well.
Wow, what a great group at 300-yards with the Leverevolution ammo. In fact, that rifle seems to be very accurate with pretty much all of the ammo you used! I'm sure you are very pleased to own that rifle.
You are correct roy! I am really pleased with this gun. I knew it had shot fairly well but didn't know it was capable of these kinds of groups at 200 and 300 yards. Now I wish I had 400 or 500 yards available😉
I have a Henry .357 mag Big Boy, and the leverevolution ammo always shoots the tightest groups.
Thanks George! Excellent work as always brother! 45-70 The only Government we trust😊
Great information! I could never afford to do testing like this.👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
You are welcome! I'm glad I didn't know ahead of time how expensive it was going to be or I might have not made the video.
Thanks again for another great video. This one has made me retink the 45/70 govt. Who knows just might find one of these at a gunshow.
You are welcome! Good re-thinking by the way😉
I'm surprised that you don't have more followers. Thanks for the video.
Thank you! I really appreciate your comment. I'm thankful for the subs that I have, but the growth of that number has been affected a little bit by some of the time I have taken off for family. TH-cam artificial intelligence really likes a consistent delivery. And there have been a couple of events lately that have had me off of TH-cam for a few months at a time.
Excellent, shooting brother
Thanks Jeremy! I have to give that rifle, ammo, and shooting rest the credit.
I like your videos as you know. This one was perfect, since I used to have the same gun, but only with a bit longer barrel. I would call your range a dream range BTW. Subsonic ammo would be even better with some kind of silencer. I was impressed with the accuracy of all your tested cartridges. Subsonics are always a bit less accurate. Regards from Czech Republic.
Thank you for watching! We've got a couple of "noise abatement" devices on order. I'll sure post a video or two when they show up later this year.
Had one when Marlin first brought the .45-70. I can still feel it kick today.
That's a beautiful rifle and has great performance as well. If I could find one I'd buy it in a heart beat. You have a super nice shooting range.
Thanks!
Great shooting. I use an older Marlin GG on elk, and spend a fair bit of range time with it. I bet the shoulder felt that.
Another good video. I really enjoy watching
Thank you for watching and thank you for your comment!
Great video love that marlin 45-70 g gun
Awesome shooting George. You can really tell how much faster the Lever Evolution ammo is by the report from the rifle to the steel sounding off compared to the other two loads. Nice shooting can't wait to get my own Guide gun. Thanks for the great review and info. 👍
Thank you! I appreciate your comment and I appreciate that you got deep into this long video😄
Yeah I was kind of counting at 300 yards with the subsonics. It seemed like it would take a second and a half -ish to get down there. Pretty wild. A lot of time for the wind to affect that bullet.
That lever revolution ammo literally adds about 100 yards of effective range over traditional ammo even in a 30-30
Fantastic content here!
Question: Was that scope the FFP model?
Great scope either way, but I wish there was an MRAD version!
So this video, besides demonstrating the inherent accuracy of the new generation of Marlin rifles, is a fantastic example of how to use dope, a ballistic program and a turreted scope in a practical way the anyone could learn. Kudos!
On your conjecture about wind and the sub sonic load, completely spot on. I have done a lot of depredation work with several calibers ranging from .224 to .475.
They all just have too much time in flight to be consistent or predictable.
Also, drop, as you know, is exponential after about 125 yards, so not only do you need good wind dope, you need a good rangefinder and time to use it.
We generally use them for the two or three older hogs that won't go into the trap.
Shots are usually 50 yards or so and measured.
Thanks for broaching the ethical aspect of shooting subsonic.
Cheers!
Really great shooting especially at 300 with an 8x scope. Fun watching that subsonic 410gr round just bounce off at 300yds. Excellent but expensive video. Thanks. 🎯 👍 🙏
That sub would still run clean though a deer at 300
I just found your channel and I really enjoy your videos. Is there a lot of recoil with the 45-70? I'm smaller framed guy. Did you ever do any videos on how to manage recoil properly? Thanks!
Great video I have a 4570 and love it
I have never taken a 2 or 300 yard shot I may try now thanks
Awesome video!
Great shooting, shoots better than the original guide gun I have
Thanks George, I was really looking forward to this one. That 325 grain FTX was extremely impressive, but I think the 410 grain sub would be great for deer hunting in the dense woods of eastern Ohio.
You are welcome! I wouldn't hesitate to hunt deer with that Sub-X bullet. It expands really well, and as we all found out here, it's very accurate at 100 yards.
Especially with a suppressor!
@@TargetSuite Yes, I was very surprised at how readily they expanded in your other video.
@@phild9813 Nah, let ‘em rip.
Great video! The .45-70 is an awesome caliber & this rifle is as good as you are. I shoot to 250 regularly & have put 3 Hornady's through 1 hole twice at 100.
Nice!
Thanks for continuing to put out great videos and sharing you findings and knowledge. Keep up the great work! Buy a box of ammo on me!
Thank you Rob! I will do that!
Thanks! I enjoyed the video. The slow 405gr slugs may need a longer barrel or a faster twist rate.
Good morning, Martin! I appreciate the Super Thanks. You may be on to something because the accuracy did seem to fall off between 200 and 300 yards.
Great shooting. Thank you
Thanks!
Fantastic gun and shooting. Thanks. I hope to add that rifle some day.
It's a good one for sure!
I have to give you credit for the punishment on your shoulder. I have a 45/70 Remington guide gun. So I’ve shot the 405 grain flat nose and the Hornady 325 leaverevolution. The first time I shot the Hornady I could not believe the power that it had. I thought HOLY SMOKES! WOW. Yeah I wouldn’t want to shoot a box of them in one sitting. My hats off to you.
Looks like a deadly accurate combo for deer and hogs using the LEVERevolution bullets !
PS. Good shootin , truly a fun video 👍
Thanks Hans!
great range, great shootin
Thanks!
Always listen to the Minister of Finance. :)
Thanks for showing your skill and the platform's capability. Yes, there are other channels where individuals can free-stand in a breeze and lob .45-70 with a ladder sight to 1k yards and hit a 2-foot plate after a few tries. But those are clearly exceptional people. You are what I'd refer to as the every-man in capability. Don't feel bashful about sharing what kind of shooting you'd rather do, and rather not do. Wish Ruger's new Marlins were a little more in reach cost-wise. I feel like reaching for a Miroku 1886 in .45-90 so long as I'm already in that zone. Haha
Thanks for your comment. I do have a ladder site in my future. It's going on that 24-in Barrel Rossi 44 magnum when it comes back from customer service. I'm not sure I'll try a thousand yards but I would sure try 300😉
@@TargetSuite That sounds like fun! looking forward to if you plan to feature it.
Great video and good to see you again. Just a tough time to start a shooting channel during an ammo shortage! You had help to start with donations from stashes as the shelves were bare. Now ammo is coming back to the shelves piecemeal but very expensive. Hopefully, in another year ammo prices and availability will be back to normal once the smaller cartridges are caught up. 45-70, I would guess, will always be expensive. As you know, 35 Remington is hard to find and expensive when you do. A am more apt to buy another Dillon. RCBS or ??? set up for cartridges like these. $300 ammo equals one Rebel RCBS master kit on sale. One seller on GB sold 100 rounds of Remington 35 Remington for $665 plus shipping and tax in Jan 2022! My Marlin barely cost that much! Just like my ammo stash supply, slow and steady as it goes, I like the patreon route but, THANKS to all of those that chip in with a nice donation for your videos.
Thanks Ken. I appreciate all of the ways you have supported me over the years. It's men like you who have made this worthwhile and possible.
Target Suite, very interesting video. I have the same rifle here in England and what shocked me is that the prices on your ammo box are just about on parity for what we pay here for the same ammo (US Dollar to UK Pound converted). I always assumed that 45/70 would be half or less in the USA! I use the 325 Lever Evolution for deer and can get great accuracy with them out to 130 yards even with iron sights. I actually use my own home made iron sights created from a modified Sako 85 rear ramp but holding my own design of "Open V" dangerous game type blade with a High Vis modified front blade (I descend from a family of big game hunters and have my Granddads 500 double Tolley which gave me the inspiration for the rear sight profile as he designed that for Tiger shooting). Because I seldom encounter our big Red deer here at more than 50 yards and as I am "walking them up" and shooting straight off the shoulder on sight, rather than from a rest in a hide, I get better results without a scope. I can burst a 2 litre Coke bottle dead centre at 130 yards with this sight set up with no problem. Only rifle that I still use iron sights with actually. Such a lovely rifle to carry and use in the woods. You did fantastic shooting there at 300 yards congratulations!
Nothing is better than spending time with a lever gun and the 45-70!
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Impressive! I like your gun range a lot more than mine with the total tree cover. I would imagine it helps in the summer heat. Love me some 45-70 but its not cheap!
The shade is appreciated in the summertime. And it blocks the wind coming from the south. That's good for accuracy when shooting distance but it sure does make the sweat pour🔥🔥🔥
45-70 is hands down my favorite cartridge! Love my Custom JM 1895 GS 45-70 much! 🇺🇸🤠
Sounds like you got a sweet 45-70 there!
Really excellent channel and excellent content as well.
Unless I missed it, would love to see the same with 30-30
Thank you
Verrry interesting test George. I've found the Hornady is quite a bit 'hotter' than most of the factory ammo I've bought. The Remington is a lot lighter in recoil but I'm unsure as to the actual fps. I've just got my own chrono and am very curious to see what the difference in fps between the factory ammo's and my reloads. I've discovered the benefit of a good Red Dot and have installed them on a few of the rifles. I have put a scope on the Marlin 1985 45-70 and am very happy reaching out to 200 + yrds. The red dots are a bit more difficult at the greater distances but so much easier for my eyes now.
Thanks for your comment! The Hornady ammo is hotter by about 200 ft per second. I opted to not share any of the chronograph data just to keep it simple especially since I was dealing with Factory ammo with published data.
Thats impressive! I sold my remlin 30 30 because it didnt group very well at 50 yards! Good job Ruger.
Great shooting !
I have the ruger made marlin 1895 and 336c. Both great guns. Wish I had a setup like yours
Nice shooting..love those lever rifles
Amen!
Ive got a Marlin made Marlin 1895, I had a triger job done on it, and tightened the head space. Ive accuracy tested just about every factory load for it, and found Winchester Supreme 350 Grain Partition Point to be the most accurate, and consistantly get 1" 5 Shot groups !!!
Great video as usual, and yes, I stuck around to the end. Is that a K31 on the bench behind you?
That is a Swiss 19/11. I'll be shooting it for you guys here pretty soon.
That’s some good groups with that Marlin!! I like doin 300 with the pedersoli Sharps with Cast bullets. Nothing like the Toad up in New York who goes way out to 800😮
Interesting video. I'd have to have the Hubble Space Telescope mounted on my rifle to see 300 yards.