How do we evaluate the jackets warmth level online - like what to look for? I was trying to look up the 800 level vs other numbers. I bought one off eBay (haven’t received yet) but interested in others for different purposes. I have a Gotetex shell so got a small down used coat to put under my large woman’s shell. Doing this because sometimes I get lazy and don’t want to layer so much and think so much about it just to say warm, especially with kids laundry on top the layers end up being a lot to launder if u are out there 2-4 times per week (my son is on ski team and I’m a helper coach so we have to practice after school and drive up to hill about 1 to 2 hours away depending on weather and the resort!).
For NYC weather all you really need is a Gore-Tex TNF Mountain Jacket and a Zipped Compatible Fleece Liner and you are set, I know I’m set for the winter, most my jackets are Goretex and Fleece Windstoppers
Why compare 4 jackets where one of which has a hard shell and the other 3 do not? Both Patagonia and Mammut have plenty of jackets that have a waterproof outer-shell with insulation. Also, in regards to the 'fill power', the higher fill power is the down's ability to trap air (body heat) making them warmer, so an 800 fill jacket will trap air better than a 600 fill jacket. It's all about how you layer in order to stay warm for different weather scenarios.
Why does the 800 Patagonia look so low and flimsy then? I used to have a large puffy eddy Bauer and it was really warm but too bulky for skiing (it was a mans and I’m a woman). I’d like something warm again to wear around ski resorts and cold days and then another down coat that fits under my Norrona GoreTex Pro shell for active skiing. Since I will be helping to coach ski team kids we will be standing around at times on the race days so would like extra warmth but less layers than I usually need to do.
dude your not supposed to get down jackets wet!!! Always check the weather forecast and if there's even a chance of snow or rain you need to carry a shell. Down jackets are really only to be worn on cold sunny days. Synthetic down jackets are better for wet conditions
I got rid of the Mammut Eigerjoch. It was utter crap! In it's place I just purchased a Montane Deep Cold Down Jacket I sold my purple Patagonia Down Sweater and bought one of the newer 2016 color Down Sweater (Underwater Blue/Neon Yellow trim). The Berghaus Ultvetana is a great jacket so I kept that as well as my original Patagonia Hi-Loft Jacket. In fact my only complaints is that I wish the Hi-Loft had a hood so I may try to flip it for a hooded Hi-Loft Jacket.
the center storm flap is only secured down by three velcro points and it is already too slim and thin so when it was windy I had a cold spot down the center zipper. also the lack of outer pockets and stiff tiny pocket zips did not make for an easy cold weather coat (wearing gloves and operating the zips). it is a great looking, light wieght coat that is warm with it's 800 fill double V baffle construction but the box wall baffle Montane Deep Cold Down Jacket is just as light and warmer with way better storm flaps and pockets.
Both actually. You can buy pre-owned, new with tags or new without tags. eBay in 2017 is so much of a hassle to list items and sell and deal withe eBay/PayPal seller fees that sellers tend to not really sell junk or counterfeit items on eBay since most of the time it costs sellers time and money without any profitable gains. The result is I've seen and bought some top quality items from Patagonia, Mammut and North Face thru eBay for 1/4th of retail prices and that was items new with tags.
Arcteryx Cerium LT jackets are awesome for the price! I just picked up a Cerium LT hooded down 850 fill and it surpasses any of the quality that Patagonia makes. Arcteryx also tends to make bigger fitting clothing so an XXL person can get an XL or L! Check Out The Cerium and Thorium and Atom lines in the LT (light weight), SV (heavy weight) and AR (all round use-mid weight) trims!
Hey Roy! This is so true! I actually did a photo analysis comparing the various baffle styles on my Montane Deep Cold Down Jacket review! The warmest is the BOX wall baffle while the least warmest is the STITCH-THRU or V-Style baffle.
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Thank you for the info man. Very helpful while I consider a puffer 👍
How do we evaluate the jackets warmth level online - like what to look for? I was trying to look up the 800 level vs other numbers. I bought one off eBay (haven’t received yet) but interested in others for different purposes. I have a Gotetex shell so got a small down used coat to put under my large woman’s shell. Doing this because sometimes I get lazy and don’t want to layer so much and think so much about it just to say warm, especially with kids laundry on top the layers end up being a lot to launder if u are out there 2-4 times per week (my son is on ski team and I’m a helper coach so we have to practice after school and drive up to hill about 1 to 2 hours away depending on weather and the resort!).
you can use liquid silicone to waterproof any jacket but check which material is compatible
For NYC weather all you really need is a Gore-Tex TNF Mountain Jacket and a Zipped Compatible Fleece Liner and you are set, I know I’m set for the winter, most my jackets are Goretex and Fleece Windstoppers
So the feathers are just one aspect in a coat, the outer coat, and elastic around the openings all matter...
Why compare 4 jackets where one of which has a hard shell and the other 3 do not? Both Patagonia and Mammut have plenty of jackets that have a waterproof outer-shell with insulation. Also, in regards to the 'fill power', the higher fill power is the down's ability to trap air (body heat) making them warmer, so an 800 fill jacket will trap air better than a 600 fill jacket. It's all about how you layer in order to stay warm for different weather scenarios.
Yes, I agree with you, that's why an 800 fill power down is much more expensive than 600 fill power down.
Mike Bartkowiak agreed! He's very negative on Patagonia and they make very good jackets and WILL keep you warm and dry.
Why does the 800 Patagonia look so low and flimsy then? I used to have a large puffy eddy Bauer and it was really warm but too bulky for skiing (it was a mans and I’m a woman). I’d like something warm again to wear around ski resorts and cold days and then another down coat that fits under my Norrona GoreTex Pro shell for active skiing. Since I will be helping to coach ski team kids we will be standing around at times on the race days so would like extra warmth but less layers than I usually need to do.
dude your not supposed to get down jackets wet!!! Always check the weather forecast and if there's even a chance of snow or rain you need to carry a shell. Down jackets are really only to be worn on cold sunny days. Synthetic down jackets are better for wet conditions
High loft Patagonia is 600 fill btw it's just filled more then the 800 sweater version
CGM no it is 800 fill. I'm not sure of the new versions of hi loft jackets but the 2011 hi loft shown in this video was an 800 fill down jacket.
Thank You For The Review! Enjoy Your Day!
what do you think about Mammut Broad Peak Jacket ?
Good jackets but your review is alll over the damn place.
travler715 I'm new at this. lol. cut me some slack bro
The bottom zipper on the one mammut jacket is for belaying, not for ventilation
What's the name of the 800 fill jacket please
How are your jackets after a year?
I got rid of the Mammut Eigerjoch. It was utter crap! In it's place I just purchased a Montane Deep Cold Down Jacket I sold my purple Patagonia Down Sweater and bought one of the newer 2016 color Down Sweater (Underwater Blue/Neon Yellow trim). The Berghaus Ultvetana is a great jacket so I kept that as well as my original Patagonia Hi-Loft Jacket. In fact my only complaints is that I wish the Hi-Loft had a hood so I may try to flip it for a hooded Hi-Loft Jacket.
the center storm flap is only secured down by three velcro points and it is already too slim and thin so when it was windy I had a cold spot down the center zipper. also the lack of outer pockets and stiff tiny pocket zips did not make for an easy cold weather coat (wearing gloves and operating the zips). it is a great looking, light wieght coat that is warm with it's 800 fill double V baffle construction but the box wall baffle Montane Deep Cold Down Jacket is just as light and warmer with way better storm flaps and pockets.
Hello. What color is the first Patagonia jacket?Where to buy?
Владимир Наумов graphite navy and red interior
Владимир Наумов its
It looks like a dull purple color but it was called graphite navy
0LAF2046 Thank you so much.
where could you buy these jackets at a good price?
vegas wajeel eBay
0LAF2046 new? or used?
Both actually. You can buy pre-owned, new with tags or new without tags. eBay in 2017 is so much of a hassle to list items and sell and deal withe eBay/PayPal seller fees that sellers tend to not really sell junk or counterfeit items on eBay since most of the time it costs sellers time and money without any profitable gains. The result is I've seen and bought some top quality items from Patagonia, Mammut and North Face thru eBay for 1/4th of retail prices and that was items new with tags.
0LAF2046 so I am going to Europe for a few months what items would you recommend with a 600 dollar budget? could you list a few
Arcteryx Cerium LT jackets are awesome for the price! I just picked up a Cerium LT hooded down 850 fill and it surpasses any of the quality that Patagonia makes. Arcteryx also tends to make bigger fitting clothing so an XXL person can get an XL or L! Check Out The Cerium and Thorium and Atom lines in the LT (light weight), SV (heavy weight) and AR (all round use-mid weight) trims!
Thank you Brother
great reviews. thank you
No prices?
Anyone of these jackets are warm with a hoodie under them.
i thought this is great until i heard the prices. thats absurd
How do you figure?
M any backpacking gear costs money. You shouldn’t be shopping for goose down or Patagonia if you don’t have some change.
It's not really about fill power but the size of the panels the bigger the panels the warmer the jacket
Hey Roy! This is so true! I actually did a photo analysis comparing the various baffle styles on my Montane Deep Cold Down Jacket review! The warmest is the BOX wall baffle while the least warmest is the STITCH-THRU or V-Style baffle.
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1st jacket looks more like a 600 to 650, you said on the video it is 800, highly unlikely looking at it
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these jackets are crap if they get caught or hook on a fence or gate they not worse more then 1 cent
What about waxed cotton??? Any good for snags and durability compared to these.
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