This is the original design grip (per 1980). The Navy placed an order (post 1980) and the Navy speciation was to be amb thus the removal of the thumb rest. The Navy also wanted silencer capabilities so they extended the barrel and added the 3 lug mounting system but not threaded. Navy also wanted peep hole sight to replace the “castle” or rear notch system and tritium front sight. The other big input of the navy was of course the pictogram with single shot, 3 shot burst, full auto and of course safe. Internally the navy had HK beef up the the bolt parts due to use of +p ammunition which I believe is the same design shown in this video.
Got mine with a tax return in October for $1k flat, I absolutely love it! Got that SBT5k brace coming in soon as well since atlantic is having a sale on them for $99. I also really dig the case they send it in, I use it as a multi-pistol case and it holds 4 including the AP5
Lol I have the opposite, I have the sp5k and the ap5 , the ap5 is great for the price point , and most people think century is making them not realizing that mke is and it’s the same thing that zenith was importing
Great review! I just ordered mine. I've been wanting an MKE MP5-K for years now and every time they were either out of stock or I didn't have the funds. Can't wait to finally have one in the armory!
Did that FTF happen to be the last round or two in the mag? I keep reading about people who load 5 FMJs first, then put 25 HPs on top of them to make it more reliable. My AP5-P is on the way, and I'm hoping it's reliable--I'm going to clean it out and lube it up before my first range trip.
I have all three of the Century arms variants and when I got my first one I was concerned how the grip would work for me as a lefty with that mini thumb rest on the left side but as it turns out it feels just fine. I was concerned that that slight ridge would really dig into my palm but it seems to work.
Really? You were concerned about a ridge on the grips? I am concerned about my grocery store being out of my favorite steak. Rich people problems. Sigh. We are so spoiled.
Yeah same with me. I’m lefty and it works perfectly. Didn’t even know the grip for meant for right handed shooters until someone mentioned it on Reddit.
What's the difference between the -M and the -P? It looks like the -M has a longer barrel without a threaded end whereas the -P has a shorter barrel but with a threaded end. Is that it? I'm guessing the P is a bit more desirable for the threaded ending.
Oh yea, it was pretty bad actually but 650 rds later it’s gotten much smoother and easier. I did have to replace ejector and extractor though because I was getting so many malfunctions. Flawless since that replacement for about 550 rds
I just noticed that you have roller indents on your receiver! Did you change the locking piece accordingly to the manual to run the gun suppressed? Because it seems like you have already done some damage to the gun!
I got lucky and found one at my local FFL. But I had to pay way over the MSRP. Unfortunately, It’s probably not realistic to find one at a “decent” price right now. The AP5 will be about $2k cheaper in most cases
1700 is probably close to around what I got mine on Atlantic firearms with the brace included. I think century had a price drop not long ago with the full size. I saw AP5’s selling for 3k a while back. Definitely too much
@@bluegunner4719 yeah that what I found out. Atlanta firearm had them for 1725 with out the brace. My local gun shop bought it for 2400 with the brace was had it mark up to 3200. Then drop it down to 2600.. bc it was to high. Luckily I didn't buy it.
I am going to place an order for one Friday at my local FFL. Hmmmmm it is now a tie between this model and the 9 inch barrel version, which has more real estate upfront. I like the compactness of this one and i can still suppressed it. Thanks for review, now the harder decision, which model? Since I can only have one :-(
It’s definitely not a tight fit. I can shake it around some if I try. So far though, it’s been sturdy enough. And it’s not noticeable when I’m shooting
I ordered the ap5p today. Sooooo stoked!! Forgive my stupidity with this question tho, whats the difference between the p & m models? Is it just the minute extension of the barrel for a flash hider/threaded barrel?
Get any gas in the face with the can on? I have an MPX and when suppressed, tend to get quite a bit of gas coming back towards me. Gets annoying if there isn't a breeze to carry it away.
Mines been getting better after several hundred, maybe a thousand rounds now, stribog. For real though crazy smoke at first breaking it in. Was even thinking using a gas mask or respiratory device while shooting it. Think there are also some upgrades you can get for your suppressor, talk to your local gunsmith about it.
I actually didn’t notice any gas in the face when shooting outdoors. But it was definitely present indoors. I haven’t shot a suppressed MPX to compare it to
great video. was trying to get some review on these. i have an sp5 and wanted to add the k version but the 4k plus is a hard pill. although i want an original hk for collectability and have the funds set aside it just seems a matter of principle i think. i know if i get the hk then next week they will probably dock the boat and unload a ton and price will drop to the 2900 msrp. i know wishful thinking. if you had to choose between this and the hk what would sway your decision??? also just subscribed. thanks, look forward to your thoughts.
Thanks buddy! I’d say the HK, but only because Im a big fan boy, so I’d jump on an HKSP5k if I could ever find one. But I didn’t hesitate to get this one and I’m really happy with it. So if money is a concern at all, you’re doing just fine with the century import
How does the Century Arms AP5-P take hollow points easily but the Zenith Z-5P does not when they're both identical other than their current distributor?
I wish I had an answer for you. I didn’t notice any big changes. It could be that I just had some kind of defect with my zenith, but I’ll never know. I’m just happy my century is running them
@@bluegunner4719 MKE guns weather CENTURY import or ZENITH are made on original licensed HK tooling from the 1970's. MP5 variants were designed to shoot NATO ball 124 grain 9mm (M882). Remember in military applications which is what the MP5 was designed for originally it is against Article IV, Section 3 of the 1899 Hague Convention which prohibits hollow points in times of war funny enough... so this gun was made again for standard NATO spec 124 grain ball ammo. You will get best results using this ammo. I use a lot of 115 grain and have seen no issues. However in my MKE Zenith I can run into issues using blunt nose subsonic ammo or certain types of HP.
Thanks! Funny you should ask. I’m at around 2k rounds total at the moment. I went to shoot some hollow points through her recently. Unfortunately, it choked a lot more than before. To be fair, it was very dirty this time around. I’ll have to try again when it’s freshly cleaned.
They sell them with castle sights because of it being a "pistol" the diopter sights are rifle sights. So, to get them imported they have to sell them that way.
I got one of these after waiting on a list forever for a sp5k-pdw to show up at my LGS. Waiting more than a year and seeing msrp on the HK go up twice and seeing the ap5p price go down and fairly good user reviews I took the leap. Luckily from a functional standpoint my ap5p runs like a champ so far. The only disappointment I have is I can't get the optic rail provided with the gun on it. I have 2 other types of optics mounts I was hoping to try and it seems like my problem is the two front mounting tabs are a bit wider than they should be. I don't know if I should try filing the optic mount feet or what, but it's really disappointing getting everything on the gun only to be stopped short of putting an optic on it. Has anyone else seen issues with out of spec claw mounts?
What's the difference between the AP5-M and AP5-P? There seems to be an oddball $700 disparity in price between the regular and 1mag models. Do the 1mag models leave out not just a 2nd Mag but also a cleaning kit or case or other goodies I'm just not seeing?
Well, I’ve never shot an AP5, but I’d imagine it’s similar to my SP5 in recoil. If that’s the case, I’ve got to say the larger AP5 would probably have less felt recoil. Bigger guns will usually do better that way. But it’s not by much. These roller delay guns are incredibly smooth shooting
@@bluegunner4719 I ordered one to add in my collection base on your video. Saw prices going down and found one with the SB tactical brace, a Shield red dot sight and mount for just $112 more than the plain pistol configuration and thought that was a bargain. I like the mount for the Shield optic sight that was in the picture. It has a smaller footprint and makes the gun less cluttered and about less than or a fourth of the rail mount that comes with it. I'm hopeful that I get the one as pictured in their website. I haven't seen one of these ever on youtube. Checked the HK forum but have not seen the same setup or photo. Unfortunately, I could not attached the photo.
@@bluegunner4719 Got my AP5-P last night from Century Arms equipped with SB tactical folding brace and the Shield SMS2 red dot sight with the custom mount. Love how the mount sits very low and co witnessed with the front sight. The red dot mount is small and the length is as long as the SMS2 redt dot sight. I don't know if this is new from Century Arms because this is the first time I've seen it offered from a gun dealer with this configuration. I have been looking for the AP5-P for months from different online dealers including gun broker, gunsamerica but could not find this particular AP5-P configuration. It also came with the regular picatinny rail clamp. Very excited to get the gun as pictured from their website. Next, I need to do some break in period of my AP5-P. Again, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and experience with your AP5-P.
@@bluegunner4719 should be fine with the standard 100 degree factory locking piece as long as your not using 147grain or heavier if you are I would suggest buying a No. 28 locking piece from RCM as it will extend your service life of you'r "K" with heavier ammo loads.
Great video, I have all three of the AP-5 variants and they are a hoot! BTW, I keep hearing a train blowing it’s horn in the back ground, what railroad are you near? I just retired from the BNSF Railway so I’m curious to know.
What's the difference between the AP5-M and AP5-P? There seems to be an oddball $700 disparity in price between the regular and 1mag models. Do the 1mag models leave out not just a 2nd Mag but also a cleaning kit or case or other goodies I'm just not seeing?
@@choppergirl The AP5-M is the the MKE version of the MP5K with the barrel flush with the front sight and the AP5-P is the PDW version of the MP5K with a trilug mount for a suppressor on the end of the barrel. From what I see looking at the Atlantic Firearms website the ‘Core’ versions of the MKE made guns come with one magazine and a manual in a card board box as you’ve mentioned and the ‘Full’ versions come in a plastic carrying case with an HK style hook sling, two mags, a clamp on picatinny rail, a flash hider that fits the trilug mount on the barrel, cleaning kit and a manual. I bought all three of my AP5s before the Core models were introduced and other than the picatinny mount I wish I could have bought the core model and saved some money. I already had 30 factory HK mags when I bought the guns so it would have been nice to save money not buying items I didn’t need. I would buy a core model and buy a rail adapter from HK parts. I have gotten rid of both my AP5 and my AP5-P since I left my comment. I originally wanted just the AP5-M but because all I could get at the time was the AP5 I bought that and when the AP5-P models started appearing on the market I got one of those also, but after I was finally able to buy the AP5-M I decided to sell the other two not because they were bad guns but because the M model was all I really wanted. With all the crazy talk of gun bans and the like I figured I’d better buy what I could get at the time, but now I’m happy with the AP5-M.
@@pauliedweasel I always wanted the P model, with a folding brace and maybe an optic. They're out of stock of the P at Atlantic at the moment, and I don't see a bundle with the P and a brace... just with the regular AP5 and brace. They will refer to all 3 versions as pistols which is confusing and I have to watch myself to make sure I don't get bamboozled. The iron sights seem pretty good.. is it worth it to put on the rail and a red dot? Also considering a Swedish K or an AK style magazine fed shotgun. The -P appeals to me as more portable and backpackable if I had to hoof around with it through the woods. If you remember them, I wanted one of those .22 GSG-5PK when they first came out... but some parts of them were pot metal.. and I was like.. ehhhh.. I'll wait.
I just got mine, I shot 50rds 124g federal fmj w/no failures but as soon as I switched to 115g winchester fmj, I started getting stovepipes and FTE and even a double feed. I put 150 rnds total. Do I need to keep breaking it in with the 124g or do you think there's a problem with the extractor?
Were the Winchester rounds flat nose or round? I’ve had issues with my mp5 clones and flat nose rounds before. Most 115 grain ammo I shoot has run fine through my AP5-P tho. I’d say experiment with some other 115 grain ammo brands and see what happens. But 124’s are good to go as well
@@bluegunner4719 Unfortunately for me, they were round nose but I will try maybe better quality 9mm instead of the winchester value pack. Maybe it needs more breaking in... I'll field strip and relube tonight and tomorrow I will maybe break in with another 124g 50pack and then use several varieties and note the ones that work...thx for the fast reply!
I called century arms recently and they said the AP5p came with the 120 degree. The AP5 full size may be different however. They were very helpful if you want to call them yourself
I just purchased century arms AP5P (mke) and took it to the range right out of the case , only cleaned the barrel. I ran a 50 round box of Fiocchi 9mm/115gn with no issues. Started my second box and started having hang ups. Some from spent round not ejecting all the way and one not feeding properly. I stopped shooting, thinking something might be damaged. Took it home and broke it down, cleaned everything and nothing seemed damaged. Function checked good. Any ideas what might be going on?
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With that mustache, you don’t need a gun.
It’s banned in 5 states
The mustache was firing it 😮
This is the original design grip (per 1980). The Navy placed an order (post 1980) and the Navy speciation was to be amb thus the removal of the thumb rest. The Navy also wanted silencer capabilities so they extended the barrel and added the 3 lug mounting system but not threaded. Navy also wanted peep hole sight to replace the “castle” or rear notch system and tritium front sight. The other big input of the navy was of course the pictogram with single shot, 3 shot burst, full auto and of course safe.
Internally the navy had HK beef up the the bolt parts due to use of +p ammunition which I believe is the same design shown in this video.
Excellent review! This guy knows how to do TH-cam presentations very well. Much appreciated!
Got mine with a tax return in October for $1k flat, I absolutely love it! Got that SBT5k brace coming in soon as well since atlantic is having a sale on them for $99.
I also really dig the case they send it in, I use it as a multi-pistol case and it holds 4 including the AP5
Lol I have the opposite, I have the sp5k and the ap5 , the ap5 is great for the price point , and most people think century is making them not realizing that mke is and it’s the same thing that zenith was importing
I have both PTR9kt and AP5-P. Both are really awesome guns. Can’t go wrong with either. But I notice that it’s heavier for the AP5-P. Love it!
@@anthonydong1867 nice , the only thing that stopped me from the ptr was that welded on rail
@@Gizmo8-c2m I agree. But PTR offers lifetime warranty. And it’s already to drop in the sear to be fully auto.
That sp5k is my dream gun! Soon we shall be together forever
Great review! I just ordered mine. I've been wanting an MKE MP5-K for years now and every time they were either out of stock or I didn't have the funds. Can't wait to finally have one in the armory!
Hell yea! I just ordered one as well.
This dude's stash is more 80s than the 80s ever were. Excellent video
He had to grow that to match the 80s gun.
I just picked up the AP5-M. I've only put a 100 rounds down range so far. But I am happy with it.
Awesome I definitely want the AP5-M
Did you had to swap any parts when you shoot suppressed?
Great video! Very detailed and informative.
Are HK and Century Arms parts interchangeable?
So did you load each and every mag with 5 rounds just to run magazine reloads in the beginning huh
If you had to choose would you get the ap5 over let's say a vector. Which would you choose? Or would you save up for the actual sp5 ?
Compare the smoothness of the actions after you have put the same number of rounds through each
Awesome Job, very thorough. My AP5-P is due in tomorrow, cant wait. Maybe a Franklin BFSIII in its future.....
Great Vid! Can you put links to the parts you added. Thank you.
Do you notice any difference in recoil between the k and the full size? Do you prefer one over there other for just shooting? Great video
Would a left handed shooter find that thumb bump on the grip uncomfortable??
What's the point of having a 30 round magazine if the gun jams all the time?
He had 1 malfunction with hollow points..
Great review. Does the handguard get hot at all running suppressed or unsuppressed?
Did that FTF happen to be the last round or two in the mag? I keep reading about people who load 5 FMJs first, then put 25 HPs on top of them to make it more reliable.
My AP5-P is on the way, and I'm hoping it's reliable--I'm going to clean it out and lube it up before my first range trip.
I also have an SP5K PDW and bought the AP5K 4.5” model.
I’m jealous! I’d buy the 4.5 model too if I wasn’t searching for an SP5K
@@bluegunner4719 Prepper had them at 1700. Runs like a champ with the MKE bolt, HK F model and Mad Max as well.
I have all three of the Century arms variants and when I got my first one I was concerned how the grip would work for me as a lefty with that mini thumb rest on the left side but as it turns out it feels just fine. I was concerned that that slight ridge would really dig into my palm but it seems to work.
Really? You were concerned about a ridge on the grips?
I am concerned about my grocery store being out of my favorite steak. Rich people problems. Sigh. We are so spoiled.
glad to hear that, i am a lefty as well, my gun is supposed to be here next week.
Yeah same with me. I’m lefty and it works perfectly. Didn’t even know the grip for meant for right handed shooters until someone mentioned it on Reddit.
Great video thank you 👍
Where O wher did you get the mag clamps?
What's the difference between the -M and the -P? It looks like the -M has a longer barrel without a threaded end whereas the -P has a shorter barrel but with a threaded end. Is that it? I'm guessing the P is a bit more desirable for the threaded ending.
Was the charging handle really hard to pull back when it was brand new?
mine is/was
Oh yea, it was pretty bad actually but 650 rds later it’s gotten much smoother and easier. I did have to replace ejector and extractor though because I was getting so many malfunctions. Flawless since that replacement for about 550 rds
What coupler do you have there. Great information video. I was wondering if the magpul safety was proprietary to their module. Thank you!
Where did you get your folder stock?
Great review! Just subscribed.
What FMJ ammo seems to be the most reliable? How about what was quietest with the can?
I just noticed that you have roller indents on your receiver!
Did you change the locking piece accordingly to the manual to run the gun suppressed?
Because it seems like you have already done some damage to the gun!
Where did u get ur hk sp5, im trying to get an hk for a decent price but if i cant im going with the ap5
I got lucky and found one at my local FFL. But I had to pay way over the MSRP. Unfortunately, It’s probably not realistic to find one at a “decent” price right now. The AP5 will be about $2k cheaper in most cases
What can are you using here? Nice and compact
It’s omega 9k from silencerco. It’s been excellent
Awesome pcc. Where'd you get the magazine coupler
Thanks! I got the coupler at hkparts .net
How much did you get ur ap5 p for? I'm looking to get one for 2600 with the brace included.. Great review too
Way too much! You can find them for 1700ish and you you can find them for 1680 with free shipping.
@@robertloomis6133 yea it was way too much. After doing my research they was like 1725 at Atlanta firearm. Crazy hie they so high at other places
1700 is probably close to around what I got mine on Atlantic firearms with the brace included. I think century had a price drop not long ago with the full size. I saw AP5’s selling for 3k a while back. Definitely too much
@@bluegunner4719 yeah that what I found out. Atlanta firearm had them for 1725 with out the brace. My local gun shop bought it for 2400 with the brace was had it mark up to 3200. Then drop it down to 2600.. bc it was to high. Luckily I didn't buy it.
I am going to place an order for one Friday at my local FFL. Hmmmmm it is now a tie between this model and the 9 inch barrel version, which has more real estate upfront. I like the compactness of this one and i can still suppressed it. Thanks for review, now the harder decision, which model? Since I can only have one :-(
Will the PDW fit on the AP5-P?
Is the brace back-plate loose/have some wiggle against the receiver on your ap5-p? Thanks
It’s definitely not a tight fit. I can shake it around some if I try. So far though, it’s been sturdy enough. And it’s not noticeable when I’m shooting
You should try the safety harbor brace with the tail hook , the sb looks huge on your sp5
I had seen that one. It definitely looks better. But I like the padding on the sb tactical one. Makes it more comfortable if I happen to shoulder it
@@bluegunner4719 true and more practical,
I would just SBR.....
I ordered the ap5p today. Sooooo stoked!! Forgive my stupidity with this question tho, whats the difference between the p & m models? Is it just the minute extension of the barrel for a flash hider/threaded barrel?
yes, the M does not have a threaded barrel
Wat suppressor do you use?
Get any gas in the face with the can on? I have an MPX and when suppressed, tend to get quite a bit of gas coming back towards me. Gets annoying if there isn't a breeze to carry it away.
Mines been getting better after several hundred, maybe a thousand rounds now, stribog. For real though crazy smoke at first breaking it in. Was even thinking using a gas mask or respiratory device while shooting it. Think there are also some upgrades you can get for your suppressor, talk to your local gunsmith about it.
I actually didn’t notice any gas in the face when shooting outdoors. But it was definitely present indoors. I haven’t shot a suppressed MPX to compare it to
great video. was trying to get some review on these. i have an sp5 and wanted to add the k version but the 4k plus is a hard pill. although i want an original hk for collectability and have the funds set aside it just seems a matter of principle i think. i know if i get the hk then next week they will probably dock the boat and unload a ton and price will drop to the 2900 msrp. i know wishful thinking. if you had to choose between this and the hk what would sway your decision??? also just subscribed. thanks, look forward to your thoughts.
Thanks buddy! I’d say the HK, but only because Im a big fan boy, so I’d jump on an HKSP5k if I could ever find one. But I didn’t hesitate to get this one and I’m really happy with it. So if money is a concern at all, you’re doing just fine with the century import
action smoothness is always better on mp5 vs mp5k regardless of manufacturer.. so your observation had nothing to do with "HK"
How does the Century Arms AP5-P take hollow points easily but the Zenith Z-5P does not when they're both identical other than their current distributor?
I wish I had an answer for you. I didn’t notice any big changes. It could be that I just had some kind of defect with my zenith, but I’ll never know. I’m just happy my century is running them
@@bluegunner4719 MKE guns weather CENTURY import or ZENITH are made on original licensed HK tooling from the 1970's. MP5 variants were designed to shoot NATO ball 124 grain 9mm (M882). Remember in military applications which is what the MP5 was designed for originally it is against Article IV, Section 3 of the 1899 Hague Convention which prohibits hollow points in times of war funny enough... so this gun was made again for standard NATO spec 124 grain ball ammo. You will get best results using this ammo. I use a lot of 115 grain and have seen no issues. However in my MKE Zenith I can run into issues using blunt nose subsonic ammo or certain types of HP.
Great review! How’s it holding up with HP?
Thanks! Funny you should ask. I’m at around 2k rounds total at the moment. I went to shoot some hollow points through her recently. Unfortunately, it choked a lot more than before. To be fair, it was very dirty this time around. I’ll have to try again when it’s freshly cleaned.
Interesting. My full size Ap5 came with diopter sights. Surprised this doesn’t.
My guess is they were going for clone correctness. Diopter sights would be correct on a full size mp5
They sell them with castle sights because of it being a "pistol" the diopter sights are rifle sights. So, to get them imported they have to sell them that way.
@@KM_1983 what are you on about. Ap5s come with diopter sights and they're registered as a pistol........ 😁
Thank you sir.. I just purchased one. Helpful review by you.. I have the sp5 on order with a dealer also.. 🥃
Congrats! Good choices. I think you’ll be happy with both
Did you install a #28 locking piece when shooting suppressed?
I left the factory 120 degrees piece in for all shooting, suppressed and unsuppressed. Not sure which number locking piece that would be
I got one of these after waiting on a list forever for a sp5k-pdw to show up at my LGS. Waiting more than a year and seeing msrp on the HK go up twice and seeing the ap5p price go down and fairly good user reviews I took the leap.
Luckily from a functional standpoint my ap5p runs like a champ so far. The only disappointment I have is I can't get the optic rail provided with the gun on it. I have 2 other types of optics mounts I was hoping to try and it seems like my problem is the two front mounting tabs are a bit wider than they should be. I don't know if I should try filing the optic mount feet or what, but it's really disappointing getting everything on the gun only to be stopped short of putting an optic on it. Has anyone else seen issues with out of spec claw mounts?
What's the difference between the AP5-M and AP5-P?
There seems to be an oddball $700 disparity in price between the regular and 1mag models. Do the 1mag models leave out not just a 2nd Mag but also a cleaning kit or case or other goodies I'm just not seeing?
@@choppergirl basic model leaves out the optic mount, extra mag, cleaning kit, and in some cases, the upgrade includes a backpack.
Iron sights all day 👍🏾
last round in mag a fmj and hollow points run fine' if last round hollow point all mp5 seem to have issues' but fmj should fix it for most mp5s
Hornady XTP run great and the rubber tip is even better
Which one is softer to shoot the regular AP5 or AP5-P?
Well, I’ve never shot an AP5, but I’d imagine it’s similar to my SP5 in recoil. If that’s the case, I’ve got to say the larger AP5 would probably have less felt recoil. Bigger guns will usually do better that way. But it’s not by much. These roller delay guns are incredibly smooth shooting
@@bluegunner4719 I ordered one to add in my collection base on your video. Saw prices going down and found one with the SB tactical brace, a Shield red dot sight and mount for just $112 more than the plain pistol configuration and thought that was a bargain. I like the mount for the Shield optic sight that was in the picture. It has a smaller footprint and makes the gun less cluttered and about less than or a fourth of the rail mount that comes with it. I'm hopeful that I get the one as pictured in their website. I haven't seen one of these ever on youtube. Checked the HK forum but have not seen the same setup or photo. Unfortunately, I could not attached the photo.
@@bluegunner4719 Got my AP5-P last night from Century Arms equipped with SB tactical folding brace and the Shield SMS2 red dot sight with the custom mount. Love how the mount sits very low and co witnessed with the front sight. The red dot mount is small and the length is as long as the SMS2 redt dot sight. I don't know if this is new from Century Arms because this is the first time I've seen it offered from a gun dealer with this configuration. I have been looking for the AP5-P for months from different online dealers including gun broker, gunsamerica but could not find this particular AP5-P configuration. It also came with the regular picatinny rail clamp. Very excited to get the gun as pictured from their website. Next, I need to do some break in period of my AP5-P. Again, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and experience with your AP5-P.
Thanks for the video, you did a great job going through everything. Did you end up changing the locking piece for running suppressed?
Thanks for watching! No sir, I left all of the internals stock.
@@bluegunner4719 should be fine with the standard 100 degree factory locking piece as long as your not using 147grain or heavier if you are I would suggest buying a No. 28 locking piece from RCM as it will extend your service life of you'r "K" with heavier ammo loads.
Great video, I have all three of the AP-5 variants and they are a hoot! BTW, I keep hearing a train blowing it’s horn in the back ground, what railroad are you near? I just retired from the BNSF Railway so I’m curious to know.
What's the difference between the AP5-M and AP5-P?
There seems to be an oddball $700 disparity in price between the regular and 1mag models. Do the 1mag models leave out not just a 2nd Mag but also a cleaning kit or case or other goodies I'm just not seeing?
@@choppergirl The AP5-M is the the MKE version of the MP5K with the barrel flush with the front sight and the AP5-P is the PDW version of the MP5K with a trilug mount for a suppressor on the end of the barrel. From what I see looking at the Atlantic Firearms website the ‘Core’ versions of the MKE made guns come with one magazine and a manual in a card board box as you’ve mentioned and the ‘Full’ versions come in a plastic carrying case with an HK style hook sling, two mags, a clamp on picatinny rail, a flash hider that fits the trilug mount on the barrel, cleaning kit and a manual. I bought all three of my AP5s before the Core models were introduced and other than the picatinny mount I wish I could have bought the core model and saved some money. I already had 30 factory HK mags when I bought the guns so it would have been nice to save money not buying items I didn’t need. I would buy a core model and buy a rail adapter from HK parts.
I have gotten rid of both my AP5 and my AP5-P since I left my comment. I originally wanted just the AP5-M but because all I could get at the time was the AP5 I bought that and when the AP5-P models started appearing on the market I got one of those also, but after I was finally able to buy the AP5-M I decided to sell the other two not because they were bad guns but because the M model was all I really wanted. With all the crazy talk of gun bans and the like I figured I’d better buy what I could get at the time, but now I’m happy with the AP5-M.
@@pauliedweasel I always wanted the P model, with a folding brace and maybe an optic. They're out of stock of the P at Atlantic at the moment, and I don't see a bundle with the P and a brace... just with the regular AP5 and brace.
They will refer to all 3 versions as pistols which is confusing and I have to watch myself to make sure I don't get bamboozled.
The iron sights seem pretty good.. is it worth it to put on the rail and a red dot?
Also considering a Swedish K or an AK style magazine fed shotgun. The -P appeals to me as more portable and backpackable if I had to hoof around with it through the woods.
If you remember them, I wanted one of those .22 GSG-5PK when they first came out... but some parts of them were pot metal.. and I was like.. ehhhh.. I'll wait.
I just got mine, I shot 50rds 124g federal fmj w/no failures but as soon as I switched to 115g winchester fmj, I started getting stovepipes and FTE and even a double feed. I put 150 rnds total. Do I need to keep breaking it in with the 124g or do you think there's a problem with the extractor?
Were the Winchester rounds flat nose or round? I’ve had issues with my mp5 clones and flat nose rounds before. Most 115 grain ammo I shoot has run fine through my AP5-P tho. I’d say experiment with some other 115 grain ammo brands and see what happens. But 124’s are good to go as well
@@bluegunner4719 Unfortunately for me, they were round nose but I will try maybe better quality 9mm instead of the winchester value pack. Maybe it needs more breaking in... I'll field strip and relube tonight and tomorrow I will maybe break in with another 124g 50pack and then use several varieties and note the ones that work...thx for the fast reply!
What number locking piece do the AP5 come with ?
100 degree
I called century arms recently and they said the AP5p came with the 120 degree. The AP5 full size may be different however. They were very helpful if you want to call them yourself
Are these sear ready like the ptr’s?
Unfortunately no, these come with a receiver block. Probably due to import laws
$1100 and some change today (7/2022)
Funny that you're an H&K fan boy, but you're talking about the MKE for home defense. So, the takeaway should be that it's hell of a nice piece.
It's funny because Magpul customer support told me their safety lever won't work on the Century Arms AP5s.
I just purchased century arms AP5P (mke) and took it to the range right out of the case , only cleaned the barrel. I ran a 50 round box of Fiocchi 9mm/115gn with no issues. Started my second box and started having hang ups. Some from spent round not ejecting all the way and one not feeding properly. I stopped shooting, thinking something might be damaged. Took it home and broke it down, cleaned everything and nothing seemed damaged. Function checked good. Any ideas what might be going on?
Sometimes these things come with heavy grease on the internals. I cleaned mine and re oiled it and no issues
So can the AP5-P be legally converted to a full auto pdw 9mm ??
Also can this weapon also be converted to a 3 round bust and fully auto too 😳 🤔 ????
Yasal olarak bilmiyorum. Century arms a başvurursanız yardımcı olurlar.siz tam otomatiğe çeviremezsiniz maalesef.
Did yours come with the optic claw mount?
Yes it did!
My HK SP5K is also a nice MP5K CLONE of the original HK MP5K. It would be nice if my SP5K was imported with the 3rd Push Pin like the AP5.
Ya know
VT is actually Virgintia
I said it better be at the same time he did lol
Its a laser beam lol it's great
You can afford these type weapons Why are you messing with silly braces ? And you need to swap out your rear sight drum for the correct diopter type
Poor thing. Getting slapped around by the one who is supposed to be taking care of it…..
Hk goes over the top.....literally the same molded part with a little border. Is the hk thousands worth better? Nah.
Great gun, but Century Arms is still a bottom shelf company.
We all want one.. but we can't afford 9mm anymore.
During the Trump years it was $150/1000..
Steel cased..to your door.
Ah the good ole days