LONG LEAD TIME TO GET BRYANT AC PARTS WENT FULL MACGYVER
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- LONG LEAD TIME TO GET BRYANT AC PARTS WENT FULL MACGYVER
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Not only did Steve simplify the unit, he just made it more reliable!
APPROVED
Guy complains about the price.. meanwhile Steve is saving the guy time & money. Sheesh
thats what you get from people who buy titos by the case 🤣
"it's gonna ice up if it runs like that, right?"
- I don't know 😂
My God, you didn’t have the part on your truck? This truly is the End of Days!
lol, I used to do field service and (I'm not picking on customers) but people really think you will have one of everything. You could drive a semi and not have all the parts.
@@throttlebottle5906 I stock evergreen x13 motors 1/4 to 1hp
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Been in the air cond repair business for 35 years. Get a big kick out of Steve lavimor. Keep on doing the right thing
That’s a great repair - I bet most guys would just tell the homeowner they are stuck waiting 7-10 days for the part. Nice work!
Your damn right.
You should stay with OEM!!!
Like a tankless water heater.. takes 1 week for parts to ship to homeowner.. then reset installation... pita...
@@dcamp12 obviously OEM is only as good as parts available for it. Plus fact that this repair is much more reliable and won’t affect his system seeing as he has no heat strips nor multiple stage compressor, so no need to variable speed motor.
@@jphvac5725 Ok, but I don't like it when extra components and wiring are done to a system and no one bothers to update wiring diagrams. Boooooo, then the next tech comes to work on system and he is like what kind of a hack job is this? How many videos on you tube have the tech scratching his head about what the hell is going on after someone changed the operation. I understand that is a simple system but on commercial or industrial it can get a lot more involved. Best practice is to stay with the OEM equipment for service and possibly warranty. Thank you.
Great job Steve, Those PSC motors are much cheaper and last much longer that the ECM motors. Thanks for the video.
I’ve lived here three years and don’t know anything about it. Well that was apparent……Another great video Steve.
I used to love watching MacGyver when I was like 6 or 7. I remember watching episodes on the weekend. The good old days.
Yup! REAL 1985-1992 MacGyver.. not that 2016 crap
Yep I wait till he reaches for his swiss knife and voila- problem’s solved haha whatta champ!
The house I bought the ecm motor went out. Called the installer and got a new one installed with parts warranty for 90 dollars labor. Buying the motor myself would have been $400. 4 years later motor went out again, did exactly what you did. It cooled the house even better!
Such a pleasure to watch an "old school" guy go about his business.
6:38 speaking of Macgyver look at that makeshift double pole breaker.
code violation
@@donduck6621 If the copper wire bends and the breaker trips it's possible that one of them won't shut off.
You check across the contactor with a meter and it appears dead but from one leg to ground (you) is 120 volts. Scary stuff.
Looks like they're held together with a nail or piece of wire. Lol.
@@chris76-01 MacGyver was here, lol
I wish I had some one like Steve near me.
Amazing skills Steve, with this fix. You are so skilled in so many areas!
Good job, Steve. Very neat work.
Fantastic repair. Thank you
Steve your channel is the only channel which keeps me coming back to watch HVAC videos pretty much every day after I do HVAC at work all day. Keep up the good work!
Glad to hear it!
This is why Steve phone keeps ringing and probably word of mouth new customers take notice "super techs" and young know it alls Sometimes you GOTTA think outta the box
This is common practice. Those x13 motors always have been garbage.
That was nice of you to to help the guy out Steve. I think most guys would have made the guy wait for the part.
There is a Rescue motor made specifically for those carrier x13 motors…plugs right into the factory wiring harness
Nice going Steve, good job on that rehab. The cost on those ECM motors is crazy. It ain’t the space station.
Hey Steve and Miss Molly! Workin’ again y’all. 👍👍
YEP. Those ECM motors are VERY expensive. It is usually the module that goes bad. They alone, are expensive. Way more than entire PSC motor!
Yall know Steve probably had an ECM way in the back somewhere. He's got everything in that truck! 😆
Good job there stevie, glad you didn't tell the guy he needed a whole new system.
You just taught me something new, great idea..
Professional job again steve,
Extremely helpful I have heard you can do that but never seen it. Best video yet.
Good job Steve.
Great job
Steves videos are always the real world BEST !! Wow, I never considered this. my shop system is on it's last leg, ecm motor was a rust ball when the guy wanted it all new.
easy fix its not rocket science
Great repair Steve and only your experience and knowledge got them up and running. I could have wired that with eyes closed but honestly don’t know if I would have thought of or offered! Another expert repair
Nice work
MacGyver could have fixed it with a paper clip and a stick of gum 😂👌
Most likely could have fixed it with a $1 thermistor part SL321R030
Or even a shoelace and parts from an old pager
I've done that before. Converted back to a standard motor. ECM motors are expensive as hell!
I do it all the time. If it’s under parts warranty, I give both options. If not, I always steer them toward doing the PSC conversion. Never had a customer yet say no
Not rocket science but definitely a lot of experience. Nice job.
Always make sure the supply house programs the module before you leave. I've got screwed before and had to rip out the module I just installed.
Nice repair Steve
I've started doing this the same way. Screw those junkie ECM motors.
Watched the video where you talked about getting Miss Molly - owner said she was very needy, and it turned out to be a perfect match.
You are awesome! Love Miss Paulie! Keep me up to date on Bryants, I own one!
Nice job and video like always ( Steven )
When you say its not rocket science, I put my thinking cap on and get ready for school.
nice job
Great job! Hope I don’t have that issue with my new system of the same brand which has modulating furnace and 5-stage compressor. Prior had a York which was a constant POS money pit -why it was removed. That breaker seemed flaky on the reset - probably should be replaced.
Keep filters changed and you won’t end up like this guy!! Stopped up filters/high static pressure causes these ecm blower motors to overheat and burn up. Too many times I’ve seen same thing as Steve is repairing! Otherwise they are great motors, just expensive as hell.
Nice job Steven 👍
Looked like a newer unit . Both indoor and outdoor . Chances are his ECM motor was still under warranty considering Bryant’s have 10 year warranty’s
Thank you very much
Carrier does have universal ecm blower motors. 1/2, 3/4hp, I used a 1/2 last season. Came in handy. $200-250 for the motor itself and module.
Ive done this and the opposite with a spdt relay with an aftermarket ECM motor to get a little more CFM on recerc as long as stage 1 wasn't calling :)
He pre lubed and pulled that wheel! No way it just slid out like that guy!
no lube it came right off
We do Ecm to psc conversion all the time. I give em both options. Usually they do the psc conversion. Is about 40% less.
Before they potted the ECM electronics you could get to the inrush surge limiter and replace it. That is what failed most often in these motors. But now that they are potted you are SOL. I walked my friend through the same conversion after he got over the shock of a new motor. There is a place in FL that rebuilds them. They do an exchange for a couple of Benjamins.
Just pull the old thermistor off and solder new to the old legs.
It's not rocket science... it's HVAC/electrical science... as far as the average homeowner knows, it's rocket science!! Love your videos!
Steve we all love seeing the work you do but it's really Miss Molly we come here to see.....LOL
Good swap , customer should be happy with that.
Happy Belated Birthday Brother.
The rocket scientist probably says this ain't plumbing
Ironically, there is a lot of plumbing in a rocket.
Best repair to do when the units out of warranty especially. Ill take psc over x13 any day. Good repair Steve
Genius!!
Fun fact: if the air handler has heat strips they will activate instead of pulling in the contactor in this setup. Just found that out the hard way.
You should have used a double pole GP relay instead of a contactor. Someone's going to get zapped when they stick their hand in that compartment of the air handler. You did this guy a service by changing the motor over to a PSC. Good job, Steve!
Hello again Steve!
VFD.. variable frequency drive is different. I have had one for years , no issues. Dropped from 8 amps to 1.5.
Hey Steve love your videos been in the install and service field for 22 years.. Nice repair but try the Qwik Swap X3 next time. Its just a small board that you just plug in the polarized plugs from X13 to the board and then you just connect the PSC and run cap to it and away u go!! Your good at what you do Mr. Lav
Yeah, I can't even get york equipment/johnson and I'm the manufacturer. Apparently all the contractors who sign contracts to sell so many units a year/install get first dibs.
That ECM was probably under warranty. I do the same replacement, except I use a time delay fan relay like you see in the Goodman units.
Nice fix Steve
He still would have had to wait 7-10 days for the new motor
You can get a Genteq Evergreen ECM motor @ FW Webb on Church St in New Bedford..
awesome when a fella can just look at a situation and make it work
Steve, you may add a time-delay relay before the contactor, lets the fan run for a while.
Totally believe in MacGyverring things sometimes but you have to be careful not to quagmire it up. 😀 👍👍 Good job…:)
Changed the filter
Dont know anything about it
How long you been here
3 years
WHAAAATTTT- 3 years and not changed the filter - WOOOWW !!!!!!!!!!!
How can you not know or take care of basic maintenance ????
That is why his motor blew
Good Golly Miss Molly long time no see!!
What was the TESP on that unit? Pleated filters/excessive External Static kill ECMs. Even more so with variable speed ECMs.
Awesome ingenuity on this one, and fortunately it wasn't in the attic. Not so easy to redesign the electronic circuit when it's 150 degrees in the attic...
You have the best customer service interactions always you should open a restaurant
Lol match made in heaven
You can get rescue type X13 motors from Trane parts, Service First brand, that you can set up with a jumper wire that are a reasonable cost
That's a crying shame, common motor, a week out. Ya know, Carrier used to be quality, expensive parts, but we'll built. Glad I retired. Good repair, Steve.
Shipped from asia.. probably on freighter stuck in canal..
good educational tech stuff. easy to remove blower housing...hope trane is watching!! lol
Great job Steve, one more ECM out of the field! That’s what happens when Politicians get involved in the trades, we get ECMed! Awful motors!!! PSC motors rock! You just gave that man a 10-15 year fan..
I injoy your videos
I'd try that on my house or my brothers house but I would never tell a customer that this would work. You got the confidence of a true HVAC master tech.
If you was in Nashville Tennessee I keep you busy 7 days a week that might be a little bit too much work but I noticed some of your calls that you have sometimes you have to just set the homeowner straight about things but that's the best way to be straightforward tell it like it is my grandfather always told me if you got something to say just go ahead and say it some of those homeowners shouldn't even be getting out of bed
Another big problem with many HVAC ECM based systems is that they typically generate RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) which the HVAC industry is pretty clueless about. Some HVAC manufacturers have RFI suppression kits but most HVAC installers have no idea what RFI is or how to remediate it. Going back to a non ECM motor (traditional single speed motor) is a great solution for elimination of RFI if other methods don't work (filtering, etc.).
That breaker is most likely tripping because someone tied 2 single pole breakers together with a piece of wire. Not ideal momma. Welcome to the shit show, lol.
Glad you got Kermit the Frog's AC running again!
I thought he sounded a bit like Cliff Clavin....
Franken-Furnace. Nice
we all love MacGyver lol
I've had my blower wiggle back and forth as if it was lost.. Ended up being a shorted winding inside the ECM motor (i fixed it).. When shorted they will also seek into spots or feel like bad bearings.. I'm on my 3rd ECM motor in 8 years and I now have a spare on hand for it lol.. Original '07 ECM end cap for it is still working! Not a cheap motor local but eBay helped a lot there!
Just convert it to a PSC, cap and 90380 relay and be done with it already... won’t have to worry about it again.
@@jasonreitz6049 If the End Cap ever goes, that will be what happens. However, I fixed the ECM motors myself; so I currently have 2 spares.. Was just trying to explain symptoms of a shorted winding for anyone reading later.
@@Kris-jk9mq cool man. Didn’t mean that in a sarcastic way, sorry maybe it sounded that way. Since you got the extras you should be good to go. Hopefully got a good deal on eBay. I see more often than not that the modules are the culprit majority of the time.. very sensitive to surges and voltage spikes, which we get a lot of in FL.
@@jasonreitz6049 All good man! Just trying to share info :) Ya they were decently priced on eBay and the local Trane parts shop would not sell to me as a home owner. :/ I would say pretty clean power in AZ but a brown out took out my pool cap last week. Fingers crossed on blower LOL
Just curious could you have piggy backed off the transformer for the contactor and the G wire and common for the coil to make the PSC motor work?
Great job Steve! Love the videos but want to ask why you use a contactor on a low amp motor instead of a relay? I have done many, many with a relay. Everytime I tell someone the cost of a ECM replacement vs a PSC I have yet to have one opt for the ECM.
Yep a 90380 works perfect for that application. The contractor is fine but just overkill.
Now that control transformer has to pull in two relays. Hopefully it can handle the load
ECM sucks. They cost more to replace than is saved in electricity in their short lifetime before failure. That makes them a net energy sink. That PSC will probably not fail for a long time. And is cheap to replace. It's a great thing that you have the knowledge how to replace PSC for ECM.
good work isn't cheap cheap work isn't good.
That’s where I’d offer the psc as a service to keep the customer comfortable. I’d then go back with the X13 when it came in. Say what you like about them but they are a better motor.
Are they better when the fail ? Or leave you without heat or ac? What’s so good about them? They’re junk. My customers barely see a difference in their utility bill after I tell them it’ll be more efficient. Then when they fail I look like the asshole. So please tell me what’s so good about them? Specifics please..cost? Amp draw? Noise?
@@Clamjammer do you know the difference between a psc and a constant torque motor? If that customer has crappy ductwork or other airflow related issues that x-13 will do the job better; that’s a fact. Plus that’s not what the customer paid for when he had it installed. That motor would be covered under a 10 year warranty.
Few days that's not bad, I waited for 2 years old goodman, computer board for 7 weeks, No more Goodmans for me.
I love that, factory never has the X13 motors on hand meanwhile I have 100's of em
No you don't
@@jimdeck8670 I manage a supply shop, I literally have pallets of 6203E, 6205E, 6207E, 6210E and even the 460V / cond variants 😂I sell them more than PSC motors
Steve, you do much plumbing lately? So many A/C calls. And it hasn't been too hot in southern New England lately
If they want to run heat, will the yellow low wire on the contactor have to be switched to the white low volt wire?
Steve, you put that capcacitor on top of the schematic!. if it blows up schematic is gone 🤦♂️
No need for a schematic on that simple system lol 😂
You did the guy a huge favor, converting from that junky motor. My only concern is if the control PCB can handle driving a 24v contactor directly. Looks like it did, just fine.
That unit is a basic as it gets. Doesn’t have a control board and transformer is big enough to run multiple heating relays/sequencers when heat strips installed yet this guy has no electric heat on this unit. So it easily will power a relay or contactor.