Chinese i7-4980HQ in Thinkpad T440p - Worth it?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ก.ย. 2019
- In this video we're taking a look at i7-4980hq, which is the most powerful CPU that you can theoretically put into T440p. Is it worth getting over officially supported processors like i7-4712mq and 4910mq? Let's find out.
Link to the CPU: item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=5...
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I miss the upgradable laptop socket design
Yeees, me to!
There is a Chinese laptop that has an lga1151 socket
Eluktronics has some good laptops with desktop sockets. Also, there's always the Area 51m.
I DEMAND A GPU SOCKET...! NO MORE REBALLING... !!! 😒😒😒😒
I think there was a gaming laptop with an AM4 Socket
Also the Alienware M51 has a 1151 socket
Sidenote: all benchmarks were performed with CPUs undervolted to -70mV on CPU and GPU. WIth i7-4980hq I additionally increased power limit to 55W long term and 75W short term
I can, but this will bring me to 2.8Ghz which is 400Mhz lower that the CPU currently manages to sustain under load
What power limit you would recommend for an i7-4800MQ? Currently I have the stock limits, turbo boost power max 37W and turbo boost short power max 47W.
Does your power adapter can actually deliver that much power?
@@Pasi123 Somewhere around 45/60 and disable Turbo when on battery
I would be careful with the power limit. Even if you will able to solve the thermal issue probably you would need to do something with the motherboard to prevent its power limit. Especially on laptops, the factory is more likely under design the PCB rather than over. So if the MOSFETs did not blow up :) may you will need to add some extra capacitors onto the VCORE and the GPU power rails, and bigger power brick would not hurt either.
A liquid metal tip: you should NEVER apply liquid metal directly to the die! It might squirt out of the syringe, and to all over other components. You should apply it to a cotton bud/swab, and then to the component.
Many people killed their computers doing it incorrectly.
This method was endorsed by Buildzoid (overclocker) among other people.
Good to know!
I will say, it isn't hard to apply if you're careful. If you SLOWLY squeeze the syringe and be ready to pull back the second it comes out, then you're good. I've never had issues applying directly to the die, and I equate that to not being ham fisted with it.
Also, you can probably get the paste off with isopropanol and a toothbrush. If that doesn't work, you could also get it fixed by professionals like Louis Rossmann, who has a channel where he posts videos of the repairs.
@@tibfulv Louis would very likely just say no though.
@@sylvie9949
I'm sure he would. Which Is why I suggested him as an example only..
I bought it too. it works so well but it runs freaking hot with the stock cooling on T440p
AIKU I Suggest you liquid metal thermalpaste sould help you alot in temps and maybe there is better cooler for you laptop?
Get some sandpaper to polish the heatsink?
@AIKU where u buy it from? The link in the comments section is died. and this site is completely chinese, how did you get on with people?
This is the kind of shit that makes me love PCs so much. I got a engineering sample 6700 and it was so fun getting that working and overclocking it.
Perhaps the CPU height (with the adapter) affects the mounting pressure of the cooler, or somehow prevents it from mounting properly. And in that sense, the mx4 could have filled up the gap better than the liquid metal, surpassing the performance of liquid metal. Just what I thought in mind.
Exactly what I was thinking. A shim could help.
Well maybe its because to the height difference that it is causing problems . this CPU is soldered to a pcb making it much thicker then a normal CPU , this heatsink also needs to make contact to the chipset... maby a pad on the chipset would make it thicker and even things out. letting the heatsink make beter contact to the die but i do not expect it to be a lot better in temperatures then good thermal paste because you are already making contact with the bare die.
Liquid metal is not a good choice to use on anything that will be moving either. It's also not good to use long term it's far too reactive.
Here's that wallpaper link you've been asking for:
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I love your channel dude! I follow it since you were dabbling around with x220/x230 and you also inspired to get me one, which served me as a great work machine for a good year
Keep up the great work ^^
Hi Wolfie. For you thermal problem- use "ThrottleStop" with PL1 and PL2 changing them form 37/47 to the 47/58. Also, undervolt of -90mV for the CPU, GPU and cache.
Nice video.
I'll never try that, but I'm glad you did and posted the results.
"Well you all knew this was coming ..."
Love this channel lol!
Thanks for this! Maybe when one day someone develops a custom made heat-piping for the T440p with a better cooler things like these can work it our better.
Love the glass canon cpu plan, modded cpu, tdp excesses and liquid metal.
Haswell is love. Haswell is Life
US ivy bridge is my fav
k u d a s a i sandybridge
Desktop Sandy Bridge is love
I'm also planning on buying one once I have some other things sold. The three two things I plan to do to ensure stability are add extra pipes to the heatsink and bios hack the T440p and undervolt the cpu. Hopefully this will be enough to reduce any throttling.
Without additional mass from the heat exchanger additional heat pipes alone will not reduce temperatures.
i love this channel, keep the good work. Saludos desde Chile.
@Renzo Morini Jajajaja hay un chileno en todos lados dicen
Wena wena, como estan los k
Jajaja quien diría que hay tanto chileno por aquí, debe ser porque igual los thinkpad son comunes por estos lares, yo tengo t440
wenaa xD
@@pedrolopez3830 wena, yo tengo un t420 con su docking station, la raja de pc.
I have a t440p and I support this channel. Ps i have installed mac os and i went back to Linux mint. Still worth a try.
Now I'm curious as to how well this would perform in the W541 I just ordered. Cooling solution should be a lot better in the 15 inch form factor.
This is the best video I've watched this year
I would reccomend getting a cooling pad with a large fan and dremeling out part of the dock to let air out
Did you change your trackball for the MX Ergo? Do you plan to review it?
I am for it been using that mouse for months and love it
Yeah, my Kensington Orbit broke, so I bought this one. It's pretty good, but it's a mouse so not much to review here that hasn't been reviewed already
Wich adapter do you used? I think you need 170w with this cpu.
So basically applying too much liquid metal will afect negatively the thermal performance. That's a very great tip of how to use this compound the right way (and very difficult too).
Hey man you should do a couple game benchmarks so we can all get a reference of what it can do in the t440
According to Lenovo website specs for t440p is was available with i7-4900MQ series processors from the factory. How did it handle the heat in this factory configuration?
Hey ! i'm just curious, how did you find the processor that matches with your thinkpad ? and how did you know that the power supplie will be enough ?
Reddit 😁 I didn’t know if the power supply would be enough, just stuck it in and hoped for the best
Did you try shiming it? lets say with a small 0.5mm shimm. Also what was the price of the cpu?
Thx for the good information.
You think a game like tekken 7 would run on low settings on a 440p?
In first place its not that important but I want to know what are the max. Limits in gaming on this laptop.
Thx in advance ✌️
Have you tried the 170W Charger via the LM route?
Hi, sorry for my English, I have a t440p and I would like to upgrade the CPU, but I have read your comments and I would like to change the processor but avoid modifying power parameters, etc. What would be the most "stable" model without having to customize factory parameters. Thanks
I like how your hairstyle keeps changing on its own.
unfortunately that's the downside of having longer hair - jumpcuts look weird
You beauty of this CPU is that you can get DRM support on macOS as it has the same ID(s) of the original macbook pro iGPU(s).
Extra bonus, you can install the fan with heatsink from a model with Nvidia GPU, it will cool your Intel only T440P much better thanks to the extra pipe not being used since no GPU.
Great. In the taobao link, does it cost 850yen? I want to make sure I select the right one. Its the second from left on the bottom row.
I think so. Don't remember exactly
Interesting. I've decided to get a 4800mq for mine. I think I've finally concluded that the reason it won't boot is actually the CPU, however I managed to kill that.
Hello (again :D) Could you post an updated link for the CPU? I can't seem to find the product with the right socket, and that link is no longer available. Thanks
Check out r/thinkpad, they often post links to Taobao sellers. Unfortunately this CPU is pretty rare and hard to get, so sellers are almost always out of stock
The way you handle knives scares me -_-
What power supply are you using after mod? Stock 65 or 90 or 135? or even more?
?I want to use T440p for Premiere Pro CC 2019 and Maya Autodesk 2019. Would you recommend this machine for the purpose?
No, I wouldn't. Recent Haswell mitigations practically halved iGPU performance www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-gen7-hit&num=1
If you're looking for a budget machine to edit videos and do 3D work, look at used desktop Xeon workstations.
Eh, still a nice gain over the regular dGPU - 730M. I wonder if it's possible to have an eGPU with the T440p over the m.2 slot? I definetely saw adapters for that, like this one - www.banggood.com/NGFF-Version-V8_0-EXP-GDC-Beast-Laptop-External-Independent-Video-Card-Dock-p-1009978.html?cur_warehouse=CN
What do you think?
Congratulations mate, you've officially found the rabbit hole
"incorrect ac adapter" showed up after installing 4700mq. Would update BIO and undervolting work? Or should buy another AC Adapter?
what's that song present thoughout the video, your music taste is so good!
FYI, that paper sticker thingy on the side of the CPU is a warranty sticker from the Chinese seller, which of course is useless since you got it outside of the US, unless you plan on actually sending it back upon encountering quality issues.
I had a 2015 Macbook Pro for a while with this CPU and it is a BEAST! In my experience it's the most powerful mobile CPU intel made until 8th gen. Also, I had no dedicated graphics card yet the Iris Pro was able to edit 1080p video with no issues and do some light gaming.
is it really safe to apply transparent nail polish to isolate other parts ??? or what kind of nail polish you need for this? i assume theree must be something inside it that makes it not burn and not drive current...
I don't know (: I used electric tape but some people recommend nail polish
I got T440p because of you.
Thanks, I am now addicted to old thinkpads.
>t440p
>old
@@arminkaric9409 in the technology space its ancient
For Thinkpad maniacs that's basically new, but for normal people 5 years old hardware is... well, old. Doesn't make it any worse though
Wolfgang's Channel Do you like the t440p keyboard? I had to remove that plastic frame because it was no way in hell I could mount it. The HP Haswell Probook has a better keyboard in my opinion.
I like it less than 20 series one but much more than anything currently available on the market
Hello. Wolfgang.
There is no cpu you linked..
May i get another link? and some detail please...
I really want to make a laptop like you...
There are some other listings on Taobao, but I don't know if they're trustworthy. I bought the CPU from the listing I've linked in the description and I won't recommend or endorse any other ones.
was there enough mounting pressure as well? if not then adding a copper shim might help.
Too much to my taste. I've repasted it three times so far and every time I'm afraid to crack the die
Hello, can you tell me how do i have to search for this on taobao or aliexpress cause i've been searching for "i7-4980HQ for rPGA socket" and i got results but just for BGA socket(original without any adaptation) and i found another one for LGA1150 is this the one that i have to buy?
I had tried liquid metal on a desktop pc as well and had the same result. the temps where worst than using a regular thermal paste. plus is dangerous because it can short stuff on your computer if u accidentally push too hard the tube and its too hard to clean it after.
if i wanna 15.6" laptop, the t540p are the same that the t440p? that model (540p) represents some disadvantage compared to 440p?
Not sure. Take a look at W541 too, it has a Thunderbolt port
@@WolfgangsChannel thanks bro, i like it, maybe i bought it.
pd: i enjoy your videos, regards from Vzla
Yeah the difference for liquid metal is negligible, and if it's not the bottleneck the risk isn't worth it.
Because it's liquid, and corusive I would use the best thermal paste, and maybe look into a better fan.
Or looking at similar laptops to see if there's a heatsink with more copper, even it needs to be modified.
Hi, Wolfgang! Thank you for your work.
Question: Is Thinkpad T440p best choise for libreboot?
Hi. The newest Thinkpads that are supported by libreboot were produced in 2008. So no, T440p is probably not a good choice for libreboot
@@WolfgangsChannel what is best choise for libreboot?
Depends on what you're looking for. X200 is the most popular choice because of the portability. AFAIK there are also Libreboot desktops but I haven't researched that so can't suggest anything
you sold the cpu? which one are you using now?
Did you ever make that dual heat pipe mod?
No :(
wait how do you change the mac model to "Thinkpad T440p" instead of "Macbook ..."?
Quick question, should I get the i7-4910MQ? I really want this processor for my t440p I recently just got. Do you think I should get it? Because I really am curious what the thermals are with that CPU. I also have the GT 730m on my t440p.
I wouldn’t recommend it. Go for 4702mq or 4712mq instead
@@WolfgangsChannel I saw and heard that the i7-8410mq is really good a d the temps are very great under load. I'm considering that one, it's insane the difference between temps with the 4910 and the 8410 haha
nice video bro..just wanna know how to upgrade the graphics
Is that also the most OP we can mount into a T430?
T430 till death and beyond. - :)
I have a Sager p157sm-a with a 4810mq
Is this compatible?
I know laptop goes up to 4940mx
Rip we never got the Benchmark performance of the Iris graphics video
You can also improve GPU performance by using low latency and 2133 MHz RAM. What's the RAM you have?
Some crappy Hynix that I had laying around. I'm planning to upgrade to HyperX sometime
@@WolfgangsChannel There is still no detailed comparison video on TH-cam of single- and dual-channel RAM, frequency and timinigs impact on performance.
@@pandapo2698 Just look up videos comparing 1x8gb vs 2x4gb and yes there is an improvement in performance with dual stick ram.
Imagine cpu i7 4980HQ apply in T540p with big body & more greater cooling than T440p. And also, don't forget T540p also have expresscard slot, so if CPU i7 4980HQ + eGPU expresscard, how much raw power it ?
9:52 where can i get that wallpaper?
it's a gondola spurdo wallpaper
im trying to buy a cpu for my self but i have a i7 4700MQ with rPGA 947 socket the website has all LGA 1150 processors .. is this compatible with my socket thanks..
how did you manage to make vga work with hackintosh?
Any updates on the cooling side? I'm kinda waiting for your update to buy my next CPU.
Well the temps are a bit better with a dGPU heatsink but it's still a hot CPU
@@WolfgangsChannel are u planning a quick follow up?
You should also replace the heatsink with 2/4 heat pipes with quit powerfully fan or just make a water cooling solution for it but it won't be be a laptop
Could you please link this guide of modding cooler? Thanks.
Amazing stuffs!! Thanks for the video.
I have a T440p with a I7-4702MQ, the bench scores you have look like what I used to get before I undervolted it, so even the 4702 will thermal trottle without undervolting. Have you tried undervolting on the 4980HQ it could makk a big difference.
My 4702mq would only allow -70mV, so that's what I did. Same with 4980hq
@@WolfgangsChannel I can get -81mV for CPU, CPU cache and GPU. My Cinebench R15 score is 569 and my Geekbench score is 11875.
@@WolfgangsChannel Hi! Can does work the cpu 4702mq with original bios? THX
how to buy cooling for t440p with a new coolant agent inside the radiator? i think my radiator is a bit tired
I'll just stick with my i7-4700MQ. It is still a huge upgrade from the stock i5-4200M.
Nice job
Is there still a source that sells the 4980hq with the PGA hm86 socket? The old sources are oos.
Not that I know
I'm in the market for a T440p and will probably be purchasing a 4980HQ to upgrade the CPU. Would you recommend I purchase a laptop with the GT730M or without the GPU? I haven't been able to find any information regarding the 4980HQ installed on a motherboard that also has the GT730M. Would the GPU still work with the Iris graphics?
Yes, it should work. I won't recommend the CPU though, since as you can see in the video, the only substantial improvement from 4702mq is graphics... Which you won't need since you'll be using the discrete GPU anyway.
@@WolfgangsChannel so would I get better performance from discrete graphics or from the CPUs integrated graphics? IE should I just buy a laptop without the discrete graphics if I want to upgrade the CPU in this manner?
@@IvanLam6 Don't buy this CPU. You'll be better off getting a dGPU model and upgrading it to 4702mq or 4712mq.
@@WolfgangsChannel Alright, thanks man
Shouldn't you get the heatsink from the model with the dedicated gpu? It should cool the non gpu model better.
Watch the video
X210 is the best thinkpad mod you can get atm, especially after they add usbc and gen 10 cpu in version 4
No docking station though :(
Can you try to buy a t440p heatsink designed for cpu and gpu (gt730)? It should fit and the secondary heatpipe might help with the temps.
Yep, it's already on its way :)
Wolfgang's Channel lol. I didn't watch the whole video before writing the comment. I saw this tip on Tek syndicate (pretty cool video about t440p). I have the same laptop because of you :) Installed first macOS Mojave until the audiojack stopped working without reason. Other than that it was pretty stable. Even the display port was working. I'm on Manjaro XFCE now :)
Are theire any laptops that are stock with iris/ iris pro graphics? Or is that only for Apple Macs?
There are some but I can't name the exact models
Where can i get that dank wallpaper at 9:52 ?
I'm kinda disappointed by the performance for the price upgrade
Wait for gaming benchmarks - graphics performance is where Intel Iris 5200 shines
im on the hunt for one of these for my alienware 18
I just bought a 2014 macbook with this processor and I’m super happy with the performance (got an incredible deal), and youtube suggested me this, man the thinkpad community is amazing, modified heatpipes, wow!
Will this cpu work on the W540?
How loud is this laptop with i7-4810mq ?
YO! we use the same background, that picture of the girl in the lake/sky. Amazing pic
That's actually gondola, which is way better than some random chick on your desktop
i really really really like that image
The only CPU really worth going for IMO is the 4870HQ, aside from the decreased L3$ its going to turbo up to the same speeds with this cooling
It probably won't be much cheaper. Besides, I might be able to improve the cooling somewhat
@@WolfgangsChannel It's around $90 USD? last I checked vs around $130. The amount of improvement you would have to do to the stock cooling would be immense to overcome its relatively short size, keep in mind Workstations of the era can barely hold 3.7-3.9ghz all core and thats without the L4 Cache and Iris Pro
I feel the graphics are the main reason to consider this, at the least just to have something above the Intel hd 4600
@@Wolfwood428 The 4870HQ has the Iris Pro 5200. Anything above the 4750HQ does.
@@swag-cc4uc for some reason i read 4810mq
since u got this and it has iris graphics maybe like a t440p gaming benchmarks vs other t440p wih 730m and t440p with 4910 without dGPu?
I don't own the CPU anymore
@wolfgang I tried to swap my t440p's trackpad with one from a t450 but it wouldn't boot - gave me a 1 3 3 1 beep on power up. When I replaced the old trackpad the laptop now takes 30 seconds to get to the Lenovo posting screen before booting into windows. I've found similar issues online but no fixes. Any ideas?
BIOS update? I've no idea what's wrong here, it's hard to diagnose a laptop when I don't have it on my hands
@@WolfgangsChannel just checked and im already on the latest bios. hmmm
@@Farbulus Doesn't it let you reflash it even if you have the newest version?
@@WolfgangsChannel will try and let you know
I just bought a t430 that should be here this week, any advise on what I should upgrade first?
The most important upgrade is actualy a downgrade - classic keyboard
@@WolfgangsChannel ok will up/downgrade the keyboard first. Should I get a new processor or an ssd after the keyboard?
Most important upgrade, a T440p.
SSD is the most important upgrade.
@@brocksdaddy081910
The i5 is amazing in my T430.
have you tried underclocking it with intels tuning utility or whatever its called
Yes
Intel eXtreme Tuning Utility
Just curious, have you or anyone that has done this mod, installed OS X and tested it's compatibility? I love my OpenCore T440p, but could use a little more oomph then my 4700mq is giving me, and this 4980hq with the Iris Pro is definitely something that would fit the bill.
Watch the whole video 😁
Shoot my bad. I watched this originally months ago but just got the itch to upgrade again, forgot you had that in there. Now I just need to find a source for the cpu. Thanks man
You can upgrade the heatsink to the one that would have come with the nvidia model, it has has 2 heatpipes
watch the video until the end pls :)
Is this laptop worth something? I just ran into one.
What is the most powerful one to put into a X260 ?
Buy a more powerful as in higher wattage , amp power supply and maybe wire the fans to boost to full speed. use a jumper on the input resistor shunt of the laptop input to allow more power in to the laptop . you could open the power supply and alter the voltage slightly to boost the system in put voltage. All things you you could consider and explorer.
0:53What laptop does this motherboard come from?
Hah! I caught the Dexter scene/quote @ 5:25