I still don't understand, there are two types of approaches. 1. Implement new features and fix bug. (Kde) 2. Build a stable system and improvise it. (Gnome) Both have their pros and cons and both are awesome. But don't forget to appreciate their achievements.
I very much agree. It's more or less the main reason why I don't daily drive GNOME. But combined with several other things that also make it so hard to use. After KDE Plasma 6 came out I have decided to finally start using that, and I don't regret it. Coming from Xfce though. All on Arch btw.
I’ve been using GNOME for 8 years now. Every update I’m excited. For me, GNOME 46 with VRR and 46.1 with explicit sync was by far the most exciting period. I also started using KDE for the first time with the launch of Plasma 6, on my other machine. And I gotta say both are amazing in their own rights. I love Linux! We should band together instead of fighting with each other. The real enemy is Windows, never forget.
Windows is your enemy because you want Windows to be you enemy. Btw: Some *BSD user think Linux is the enemy. For me, stupid idelogical wars are the enemy.
@@dasistdiewahrheit9585 ikr, commenting on my MacBook with macOS 15. I kind of appreciate what each and every OS has to offer. I use Windows 7, Windows 11, Fedora 40, and macOS 15 all the time. And FreeBSD is amazing too! I think people should just use what they like and not utilize products to spite companies. Rather, people should pick platforms for what they actually do better. For instance, I pick Fedora over Win11 for university because I like the extra window management features that simply do not exist natively on Windows. But I also find myself picking up Windows, because of the awesome audio quality and superior NVIDIA support (NVIDIA 560 did fix a lot of issues on Fedora though). Games went from running at 2 fps under lInux to around 90 fps. Not as good as windows, but its getting there. Here's to hoping they bring the open kernel modules to user space. That is what really needs to happen to get feature parity between Windows and Linux for team green people.
@@dasistdiewahrheit9585 unlike Linux, the COMPANY behind Windows is all about data collection, whereas YOU become the product. Yes, Windows IS the enemy to privacy concerned people.
@@dasistdiewahrheit9585oh yeah, I guess you're right, just handwave all critique for windows as "stupid ideological wars" or "wanting windows to be the enemy", rather than understanding that it's terrible on the metrics that matter the most, like privacy and ownership.
@@Felipe-rn1gf I mean, Gnome’s focus now is on being a simple to use yet feature-full for business and workers, while KDE feels like it’s targeting the community more instead of that, there’s also stuff like optimization, which I felt missing when I installed KDE with Plasma taking a rough 20% usage on my cpu (Core i5 7th gen), but I never had this in Gnome which felt much more optimized and focused on stability and optimization unlike KDE
@@ahmede92 I'm starting to think performance is dependent on hardware combinations. KDE these days beats Xfce in terms of RAM usage being low. But since Plasma 6, there are terrible compatibility issues with Nvidia. Switch to an Intel/AMD CPU, suddenly KDE is the snappiest DE there ever is. It's quite weird. I'm now back to using a window manager with KDE apps on my PC with Nvidia graphics. I really can't stand the stutters under KDE. But I need proper fractional scaling (not the fake version of 2x upscale apps then shrink them) so I can't use GNOME...
Ubuntu Cinnamon runs off Gnome so far I am liking Steam gaming on it with proton and Cyberpunk 2077 downloaded faster than on Windows Microsoft is failing badly guys and turning into dystopian future based technology we were warned in the movies about this now it's being forced down our throats in real life.
I hope really hope that electron flatpak apps start using Wayland as default and not Xwayland which makes everything blurry on Fractional scailing. That is like my biggest issue on Wayland right now.
I was one of the people who did a little bit of testing on the xwayland fractional scaling thing! Very cool to see it get into stable thanks to the work of a lot of people MUCH SMARTER THAN I AM
Both Gnome and KDE are great and I'd like to daily drive them, but I'm shackled to window managers as they are the only ones that provided screen independent workspaces.
I still wonder why this hasn't been made the default in Gnome yet. Especially Gnome, with it's workspaces feels like a great fit. There is an open issue somewhere which tracks this feature, though given that workspaces is a core feature of Gnome, it's kinda hard to adjust it seems. I'm pretty sure it's something that will be added eventually
The blur issue is because fractional scaling works by rendering at the next integer scale (200%) and then downsizing (150%) with a shader. This is because GTK internally only supports rendering at whole integer scales. It's a legacy issue because people back in the day 30-40 years ago weren't able to predict that we would one day want fractional scaling. Back then even integer scaling required lots of CPU. So scale was represented as an integer. And then it stuck around as a core fact of the APIs, which nobody had the courage to mess with. I heard that GTK5 will have true fractional scaling.
@@MyAmazingUsername Thr blurriness that people are talking about here is an artifact of the way GNOME handled XWayland apps. Native Wayland has been tack-sharp with fractional scaling for a few releases now, even if not as good as it could be.
MacOS does the same. They also have an old GUI that doesn't support fractional scaling. On that, for now, windows wins everyone. But yeah, as said above, now it was more an XWayland issue. Normal rendering is acceptable.
Not exactly true. Because Linux is all about sharing, improvements and innovations in one desktop environment may be used in another environment. So improvements in gnome may show up in other desktop environments, especially the one that you use. Remember, a rising tide lifts all boats.
Hah, I didn't even notice that so far. Tbh, I don't think that this matters at all, since those "unsaved settings" pop ups on other Desktops are also quite annoying
Though I insalled KDE DE to my Fedora install, the jump was jarring. I could see how KDE's windows, scrollbars and taskbar icons were not as polished and were taking a lot of space. Changing from 150% to 120% window scaling and restarting helped, but KDE really needs a cleanup of their padding and icon sizes
This video should have been uploaded at 60fps, to highlight the animation quality of menus, windows, buttons, etc (I still liked the video for better reach; don't worry)
The current problem is, that I'm hardware limited by my camera which can't to 4k or 1440p 60fps. Having a mixed video can look weird and some editing templates don't work right this way.
@@MichaelNROHno it doesn't. Record video at 1080p30 or 60 and desktop at 1080p60. Export at 4k60 for higher bitrate. No one will notice the lower source pixels as I assume most are watching on their phones anyway where FPS and compression artefacts are much more noticeable than more pixels.
I use Ubuntu 24.04 with the previous Gnome version and if I change the accent color of the OS, it also changes the color folders. BTW thx for the update ;)
Ubuntu uses their own theme which is why it works. Technically the same can be achieved on native Gnome when changing it, but it should be a thing in libadwaita in my opinion.
It should be. It's kind of difficult to test, since it was just recently merged and the Fedora Beta which has fractional scaling enabled is a bit behind with packages.
I've always been a KDE Plasma kind of guy, but even some of these changes in GNOME have gotten my attention a bit. That lock screen was actually pretty sweet looking, to be honest. Maybe someday I'll give GNOME a real try again, but as of now, I still feel much more at home with KDE. But this is just one of the many reasons why I love Linux. You have almost endless amount of possibilities available to you, rather than just a default desktop environment from companies like Apple or Microsoft, where you're stuck with their defaults with maybe the ability to customize things at a minimum.
Looks better. I still have some Wayland troubles with gnome so I went back to KDE. Something I thought I’d never say considering how far ahead gnome was with Wayland a few years ago
Can't wait for openSUSE to drop this just days (or even hours) after the official release. They are always the quickest when it comes to new Gnome Versions.
you still can't fix the scroll speed on laptop's trackpads without poking with libinput. Everything is great, but apparently not simple usability. A lot of poeple (me included have been waiting years for this simple fix.
@@NugentFan will look into it. If I have to pull up the terminal to copy anything bigger than 30 mb into an SSH server what is the point of using a file manager at all? Also, does it spawn child processes instead of separate processes with one as a parent? Because wtf does it crash every window when only one crashes? Gnome never fails to disappoint.
I think that the default way is that it automatically extracts the file. For opening a still compressed zip, you are gonna need a dedicated program, which needs to have this functionality
Gnome just isn't my thing. I don't like the overly simplified Apple look at all. I much prefer KDE even though I seem to be in the minority, at least of people I've talked to.
I've tried KDE so many times but I always seem to run into odd bugs. And I also don't think it looks very nice. Since I also use MacOS, Gnome seems to be a little more up my alley. I do most important things in the terminal anyway.
I want to like kde but I just keep bouncing off it and going back to Gnome. I like the much simpler and cleaner interface, I like the app ecosystem. It looks pretty.
I'm just now getting the hang of GNOME 46 as a new user with extensions and theming. Guess I'll wait until everything gets updated on the user side. I do like what I saw.
Gnome is very sleek and beautiful. but is not very customizable. so many distros ship it with extensions installed by default. I am used to windows workflow so plasma is good for me.
fox is causing trouble again 😂😂😂 outside that looks good cant wait to see more and maybe do a test on external arch instalation the background apps interaction can be fixed with extension
I really like GNOME and as such plan on updating to GNOME 47 when I can... which is probably in about 2 years' time because I am using Ubuntu LTS. I reallly really want to go back to Fedora but it seems to just not work with my laptop's poopoo Nvidia MX230 GPU. It is actually completely dysfunctional for me on my machine for some reason. So for now, GNOME 46 and Ubuntu it is.
it was already frustrating that i had to go to other locations to access Root and NVMe partitions, that change basically makes Nautilus unusable for me, mainly because bookmarks don't always appear in file pickers. if thats fixed, i'll just have to add the bookmarks, which isnt as easy as it seems for folders you can't right click on (like root -_-) seems i picked a good time to move to Plasma.
This is probably not the right place to ask but I'll give it a shot anyways: I'm still running Windows 11. I have a Steinberg Audio interface (UR44c) that I use with some VSTs (Win/Mac exclusive). There are no Linux drivers for the audio interface. Is it actually doable to get the interface running smoothly under Linux with the VSTs or should I stick to Windows for that?
It entirely depends on what you want to do. The interface itself might work, as it seems to have a USB Class compliance, but their software solutions probably won't. You would need to rely to different software
@@MichaelNROH Thanks for the quick response! On Windows I'm basically running Reaper, load in my piano VST and record music. Most VSTs are Win/Mac, but I heard there are some "yabridge" based solutions around that. But if the interface won't work at all in the first place then it wouldn't even be worth trying that endeavour. Thanks again and keep up that catchy outro phrase! Grüße
You mentioned "applications that request server side window decoration", can you clarify this because it was my understanding that (controvercially) Gnome does not support the Wayland protocol for server side decoration, and does not plan to.... in fact, it might even warrant a video explaining the controversy for the layman, and actually explaining Gnome's position, and the logic behind some of the decisions that "other" channels have spun in a very negative way... for example "Gnome refused to implement DRM leasing", "Gnome finally gave in and added DRM leasing" - but no one mentioned that they did a lot of work outside of Gnome itself to beef up the options for security in the underlying platform, even contributing to the kernel to make DRM leasing able to meet their security requirements, before implementing it.... it actually makes me feel more confident in my desktop environment if they are prepared to delay a feature and take criticism for it, while they ensure the necessary security is in place.... but on the other hand, "Server Side Decoration" seems to be a mess.... but then again, the only channels really reporting on this issue are already "anti-Gnome", so it's hard to get an honest picture.
As far as I can tell, if an application wanted to use server side decorations (mostly X11 apps) then it automatically got the old default GTK4 theme (the one that looks a bit more "bulky"). This theme has now been changed to libadwaita. So basically what is happening is, that the app requests server side decoration and Gnome just returns something pre-defined.
@@MichaelNROH This is something that I'm really unclear on, but I believe X11 apps are treated differently to wayland apps.... which don't have server side decoration available, due to a decision not to support the wayland "xdg-decoration" protocol, but I have also found it really hard to find unbiased details on this issue. It seems that the original Wayland implementation had no concept of server side decoration, and Gnome picked up Wayland in 2013, but some time around 2018, other desktops like KDE started seriously looking at Wayland, and pushing for it... and are now bitter because Gnome isn't interested! The problem is that this may be a giant over-simplification, and it's hard to find unbiased reporting on it.
I am very new to Linux. The distro I'm getting my feet wet with is Debian 12. This video makes me want to give Fedora 40 a try just so I can mess with Gnome 47.
Cosmic DE should be the way. Is written in rust and should be fast. I have problems with linux all the time with themes and etc. hope cosmic de will be good
@@dasistdiewahrheit9585 as someone who's using it on a laptop it feels like it was purpose made for a laptop, with how the touchpad gestures work and stuff then again it's my opinion
not even on laptops, they removed laptop options like what to do when closing the laptop lid in newer Gnome Tweaks(and no such feature to be found in Settings either). so unsure what the target device is currently
Gnome. When trying it out after some time I always come back since I can't get my hotkeys to work on Plasma as I like them. Mainly because it doesn't (or didn't) support setting mouse buttons
It's not the blurry experience that it used to be, but I'm not sure if it's really quite there yet. Could be an XWayland, contrast or simply reloading the shell bug, but it doesn't seem as sharp as other elements. It's quite the improvement however and scaling seems to be good enough for the Wayland transition now.
@@MichaelNROHThe blur is because fractional scaling works by rendering at the next integer scale (200%) and then downsizing (150%) with a shader. This is because GTK internally only supports rendering at whole integer scales. I heard that GTK5 will have true fractional scaling.
@@MyAmazingUsername The new scaling should resolve that. To be honest, this is release candidate stuff and I'm not even sure if it has been pushed to Fedora yet.
@@MichaelNROH Case in point. They even purposely do things to break extensions that add it, every update. Even MacOS caved and added it, because so many people used 3rd party tools to add it. At a certain point Gnome Devs need to have some semblance of respect for what their user base wants.
Ubuntu version of gnome is way more polished. I used fedora 40 gnome for a while, I was so disappointed with it that I had to switch back to fedora KDE
why gnome keeps duplicates apps? gnome-console (KGX) is a duplicate of gnome-terminal loupe is a duplicate of Eye of Gnome (eog) gnome-text-editor is duplicate of gedit this again, showtime = totem & decibels = gnome-sound-recorder
They are just new applications which got adopted and are meant to replace their older counterparts. It's really just getting rid of old code that no one wants to maintain
Nice additions!! Can't wait for Fedora 41 + Gnome 47
Dito
also ubuntu 24.10
Anything on Linux is better than Windows at this point Windows Recall is pushing me to shift over to Linux Microsoft SUCKS!!!!
waiting on that combo exactly! I'm excited for DNF5 on Fedora + Gnome 47 and dropping x11, huge things coming up
@@TechnoMinded-qp5inthe recall ship sailed
"Competition is the process of forcing people to perform at their best."
Thanks to COSMIC DE, Gnome devs are finally back on track.
Back on track? Still no proper system tray, no server-side decorations, no stable HDR support, no stable VRR support, no triple buffering...
I still don't understand, there are two types of approaches.
1. Implement new features and fix bug. (Kde)
2. Build a stable system and improvise it. (Gnome)
Both have their pros and cons and both are awesome. But don't forget to appreciate their achievements.
@@catto-from-heavenYou sound uninformed, and jealous that GNOME is the most popular desktop environment for a good reason.
@@MyAmazingUsername Why would I be jealous if I use Gnome?
@@catto-from-heaven The suspicion is natural cause kde users never leave an opportunity to trash talk Gnome
Improved fractional scaling is the only thing i really care… having a framework laptop i really need this
I very much agree. It's more or less the main reason why I don't daily drive GNOME. But combined with several other things that also make it so hard to use.
After KDE Plasma 6 came out I have decided to finally start using that, and I don't regret it. Coming from Xfce though. All on Arch btw.
Same
I’ve been using GNOME for 8 years now. Every update I’m excited. For me, GNOME 46 with VRR and 46.1 with explicit sync was by far the most exciting period.
I also started using KDE for the first time with the launch of Plasma 6, on my other machine. And I gotta say both are amazing in their own rights. I love Linux! We should band together instead of fighting with each other. The real enemy is Windows, never forget.
@@WaylandGaming 👏
Windows is your enemy because you want Windows to be you enemy. Btw: Some *BSD user think Linux is the enemy. For me, stupid idelogical wars are the enemy.
@@dasistdiewahrheit9585 ikr, commenting on my MacBook with macOS 15. I kind of appreciate what each and every OS has to offer. I use Windows 7, Windows 11, Fedora 40, and macOS 15 all the time. And FreeBSD is amazing too! I think people should just use what they like and not utilize products to spite companies. Rather, people should pick platforms for what they actually do better. For instance, I pick Fedora over Win11 for university because I like the extra window management features that simply do not exist natively on Windows. But I also find myself picking up Windows, because of the awesome audio quality and superior NVIDIA support (NVIDIA 560 did fix a lot of issues on Fedora though). Games went from running at 2 fps under lInux to around 90 fps. Not as good as windows, but its getting there. Here's to hoping they bring the open kernel modules to user space. That is what really needs to happen to get feature parity between Windows and Linux for team green people.
@@dasistdiewahrheit9585 unlike Linux, the COMPANY behind Windows is all about data collection, whereas YOU become the product. Yes, Windows IS the enemy to privacy concerned people.
@@dasistdiewahrheit9585oh yeah, I guess you're right, just handwave all critique for windows as "stupid ideological wars" or "wanting windows to be the enemy", rather than understanding that it's terrible on the metrics that matter the most, like privacy and ownership.
why i didn't see this channel before? great content! thanks Michael! keep it up
I wish kde has the same variety and quality of online account integrations as gnome
Yeah, they should definitely improve that
Nothing is perfect, that's why we have multiple choices
@@ahmede92 Even so, it's good to request these things, just in case they decide to implement them in the future
@@Felipe-rn1gf I mean, Gnome’s focus now is on being a simple to use yet feature-full for business and workers, while KDE feels like it’s targeting the community more instead of that, there’s also stuff like optimization, which I felt missing when I installed KDE with Plasma taking a rough 20% usage on my cpu (Core i5 7th gen), but I never had this in Gnome which felt much more optimized and focused on stability and optimization unlike KDE
@@ahmede92 I'm starting to think performance is dependent on hardware combinations. KDE these days beats Xfce in terms of RAM usage being low. But since Plasma 6, there are terrible compatibility issues with Nvidia. Switch to an Intel/AMD CPU, suddenly KDE is the snappiest DE there ever is. It's quite weird.
I'm now back to using a window manager with KDE apps on my PC with Nvidia graphics. I really can't stand the stutters under KDE. But I need proper fractional scaling (not the fake version of 2x upscale apps then shrink them) so I can't use GNOME...
GO GNOME!!!!!
Ubuntu Cinnamon runs off Gnome so far I am liking Steam gaming on it with proton and Cyberpunk 2077 downloaded faster than on Windows Microsoft is failing badly guys and turning into dystopian future based technology we were warned in the movies about this now it's being forced down our throats in real life.
@@TechnoMinded-qp5inwall of words
I hope really hope that electron flatpak apps start using Wayland as default and not Xwayland which makes everything blurry on Fractional scailing. That is like my biggest issue on Wayland right now.
The migration period is the worst, yeah
Issues I am aware of with electron and Xwayland were fixed recently with the introduction of explicit sync on nvidia, i don't have any issues since
I was one of the people who did a little bit of testing on the xwayland fractional scaling thing! Very cool to see it get into stable thanks to the work of a lot of people MUCH SMARTER THAN I AM
triple.. uh.. buttering.
pushed to 48 iirc
more butter equals more better
Also, new GTK version uses Vulkan by default as the GSK renderer. 👌👌👌
Both Gnome and KDE are great and I'd like to daily drive them, but I'm shackled to window managers as they are the only ones that provided screen independent workspaces.
I still wonder why this hasn't been made the default in Gnome yet. Especially Gnome, with it's workspaces feels like a great fit. There is an open issue somewhere which tracks this feature, though given that workspaces is a core feature of Gnome, it's kinda hard to adjust it seems.
I'm pretty sure it's something that will be added eventually
Longtime i3 user here. Would never want to go back to a full blown desktop. Maybe I will try another tiling window manager here and there.
The blur issue is because fractional scaling works by rendering at the next integer scale (200%) and then downsizing (150%) with a shader. This is because GTK internally only supports rendering at whole integer scales.
It's a legacy issue because people back in the day 30-40 years ago weren't able to predict that we would one day want fractional scaling. Back then even integer scaling required lots of CPU. So scale was represented as an integer. And then it stuck around as a core fact of the APIs, which nobody had the courage to mess with.
I heard that GTK5 will have true fractional scaling.
@@MyAmazingUsername Thr blurriness that people are talking about here is an artifact of the way GNOME handled XWayland apps. Native Wayland has been tack-sharp with fractional scaling for a few releases now, even if not as good as it could be.
MacOS does the same. They also have an old GUI that doesn't support fractional scaling. On that, for now, windows wins everyone.
But yeah, as said above, now it was more an XWayland issue. Normal rendering is acceptable.
If you like gnome its a great improvement. If you dont, well it doesnt matter.
Yep
It doesn't mutter.
Not exactly true. Because Linux is all about sharing, improvements and innovations in one desktop environment may be used in another environment. So improvements in gnome may show up in other desktop environments, especially the one that you use. Remember, a rising tide lifts all boats.
Not true, I’m actually interested in using it sense you can do focus on hover
1:55 The Apply button covering the X button is… a choice.
"you have to apply the changes or you're not leaving!"
Hah, I didn't even notice that so far.
Tbh, I don't think that this matters at all, since those "unsaved settings" pop ups on other Desktops are also quite annoying
What if I want to dismiss the changes?@@MichaelNROH
@@shApYT Left side, you can cancel them
@@MichaelNROH I didn't even notice it suddenly appeared in the video.
1:04 correction, with gnome it can always be removed down the line!
YES, the accent colors are huge!
I hope that it will finally remember the layout of multiple monitors! Gnome 46 always reverts them, their position, to each other!
It should according to the changelog. Need to test it on actual hardware once proper production distros ship it
Gnome + Aeon is all i need 💚
I planned on more conservatively applying updates, but I am probably gonna upgrade pretty soon with these usability updates.
Though I insalled KDE DE to my Fedora install, the jump was jarring. I could see how KDE's windows, scrollbars and taskbar icons were not as polished and were taking a lot of space.
Changing from 150% to 120% window scaling and restarting helped, but KDE really needs a cleanup of their padding and icon sizes
Sorry but I must disagree with you here. Plasma 6.1 is great.
@@PrinterMan1956 and where does he say it's bad? He only talks about the worse scaling on KDE
This video should have been uploaded at 60fps, to highlight the animation quality of menus, windows, buttons, etc (I still liked the video for better reach; don't worry)
The current problem is, that I'm hardware limited by my camera which can't to 4k or 1440p 60fps. Having a mixed video can look weird and some editing templates don't work right this way.
@@MichaelNROHno it doesn't. Record video at 1080p30 or 60 and desktop at 1080p60. Export at 4k60 for higher bitrate. No one will notice the lower source pixels as I assume most are watching on their phones anyway where FPS and compression artefacts are much more noticeable than more pixels.
Great video, thank you!
I use Ubuntu 24.04 with the previous Gnome version and if I change the accent color of the OS, it also changes the color folders.
BTW thx for the update ;)
Ubuntu uses their own theme which is why it works. Technically the same can be achieved on native Gnome when changing it, but it should be a thing in libadwaita in my opinion.
@MichaelNROH i prefer the way ibuntu does it over default gnome to be honest
Have a look at the Cinnamenu applet on Cinnamon desktop. Hard to beat....
Haven't heard of it before but it looks awesome
Is fractional scaling fixed for electron apps like Discord and vscode on Wayland? Please let me know!
It should be. It's kind of difficult to test, since it was just recently merged and the Fedora Beta which has fractional scaling enabled is a bit behind with packages.
very excited for this release
Gnome is the only desktop environment that looks as good as macOS.
Which is weird, because I don't really like MacOS. The desktop is fine, but the menu looks so ... odd in my opinion.
@@MichaelNROH I have never tried MacOS, I am saying from youtube videos I have seen about it.
Terminal size stays put when you resize and close.
Performance option is available when it wasn't always available before (certain CPUs only).
I've always been a KDE Plasma kind of guy, but even some of these changes in GNOME have gotten my attention a bit. That lock screen was actually pretty sweet looking, to be honest. Maybe someday I'll give GNOME a real try again, but as of now, I still feel much more at home with KDE. But this is just one of the many reasons why I love Linux. You have almost endless amount of possibilities available to you, rather than just a default desktop environment from companies like Apple or Microsoft, where you're stuck with their defaults with maybe the ability to customize things at a minimum.
Shout out to all of you who persevere with Linux
Looks better. I still have some Wayland troubles with gnome so I went back to KDE. Something I thought I’d never say considering how far ahead gnome was with Wayland a few years ago
Can't wait for openSUSE to drop this just days (or even hours) after the official release. They are always the quickest when it comes to new Gnome Versions.
Did this release fixes the libinput bug where the touchpad two-finger scrolling is way too sensitive under a fractionnal scale ?
Fedora will have fractional scaling 🥳. Now hopefully they fix the touchpad scroll speed
Gnome is fantastic! #1
you still can't fix the scroll speed on laptop's trackpads without poking with libinput. Everything is great, but apparently not simple usability.
A lot of poeple (me included have been waiting years for this simple fix.
Elementry OS and gnome plus ubunutu SHOULD JOIN and make a BEETER OS for all that can rival windows 11 and mac os
what about fractional scale, does they fix blur?
I would totally use gnome but it's just so hard to use vs plasma which makes me sad because I do actually really enjoy it's simplicity
My dearest "automatically in 60 seconds" buttons...
I mourn your loss...
Therefore, time to code an extension!
Es bleibt spannend. Gnome entwickelt sich langsam weiter, sehr langsam. ;-)
2:40 Nautilus is terrible. Sometimes when it crashes it kills every single window open. It is just bad.
every time i try to copy file from HDD to USB, Nautilus froze,
that's why i installing thunar on every system before i start working
@@NugentFan Nemo rocks too
@@pai64 yes i have very good experience with nemo, but because its have dependence to cinnamon most of the time you cant install it on other DEs
@@NugentFan why couldn't you install cinnamon dependency? it doesn't install all of the cinnamon DE
@@NugentFan will look into it. If I have to pull up the terminal to copy anything bigger than 30 mb into an SSH server what is the point of using a file manager at all? Also, does it spawn child processes instead of separate processes with one as a parent? Because wtf does it crash every window when only one crashes? Gnome never fails to disappoint.
can you now drag the contents of a zip out?
I think that the default way is that it automatically extracts the file. For opening a still compressed zip, you are gonna need a dedicated program, which needs to have this functionality
it look really clean but still for me KDE is better
Feature wise it definitely is
good video 👍
Usin' it on Ubuntu 24.10, feels great!
Gnome taskbar 200% is killer on my large screens.
Gnome just isn't my thing. I don't like the overly simplified Apple look at all. I much prefer KDE even though I seem to be in the minority, at least of people I've talked to.
I've tried KDE so many times but I always seem to run into odd bugs. And I also don't think it looks very nice. Since I also use MacOS, Gnome seems to be a little more up my alley. I do most important things in the terminal anyway.
It's just preferences in the end
But gnome has feet
I want to like kde but I just keep bouncing off it and going back to Gnome. I like the much simpler and cleaner interface, I like the app ecosystem. It looks pretty.
@@hlashflahflhsjfh did you ever try xfce-kwin or budge? they are even more simpler and cleaner
I'm just now getting the hang of GNOME 46 as a new user with extensions and theming. Guess I'll wait until everything gets updated on the user side. I do like what I saw.
Gnome is very sleek and beautiful. but is not very customizable. so many distros ship it with extensions installed by default. I am used to windows workflow so plasma is good for me.
Hi. I became a member of your channel. Where's the Discord link? It's not in the perks list. Thanks.
It's in the video or channel description. It would be a good idea to add it their as well though.
Thanks
@@MichaelNROH Got it. Thx. Keep on making great content! 🙂
fox is causing trouble again 😂😂😂 outside that looks good cant wait to see more and maybe do a test on external arch instalation the background apps interaction can be fixed with extension
well I am excited that linux is becoming great for casual users
I've been waiting so much for this release 😍
The best gnome 🎉
I like kde too, but gnome is just the best DE on linux IMO.
I really like GNOME and as such plan on updating to GNOME 47 when I can... which is probably in about 2 years' time because I am using Ubuntu LTS. I reallly really want to go back to Fedora but it seems to just not work with my laptop's poopoo Nvidia MX230 GPU. It is actually completely dysfunctional for me on my machine for some reason. So for now, GNOME 46 and Ubuntu it is.
I used to be using KDE but after gnome 45 I will never look back 😂😂😂
Why still no blurr my shell background? Available in 2077?
Can't wait for GNOME 53 to finally reach a somewhat usable state
why my browsers fonts in linux distros looks blury only in browser please help
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Whats the usecase for gnome 47?
it was already frustrating that i had to go to other locations to access Root and NVMe partitions, that change basically makes Nautilus unusable for me, mainly because bookmarks don't always appear in file pickers. if thats fixed, i'll just have to add the bookmarks, which isnt as easy as it seems for folders you can't right click on (like root -_-)
seems i picked a good time to move to Plasma.
This is probably not the right place to ask but I'll give it a shot anyways:
I'm still running Windows 11. I have a Steinberg Audio interface (UR44c) that I use with some VSTs (Win/Mac exclusive). There are no Linux drivers for the audio interface. Is it actually doable to get the interface running smoothly under Linux with the VSTs or should I stick to Windows for that?
It entirely depends on what you want to do. The interface itself might work, as it seems to have a USB Class compliance, but their software solutions probably won't. You would need to rely to different software
@@MichaelNROH Thanks for the quick response! On Windows I'm basically running Reaper, load in my piano VST and record music. Most VSTs are Win/Mac, but I heard there are some "yabridge" based solutions around that. But if the interface won't work at all in the first place then it wouldn't even be worth trying that endeavour. Thanks again and keep up that catchy outro phrase! Grüße
Amazing release. Congrats Gnome ❤
Они точно выдумают что-то, чтоб заменить трей...
Версии к 70 полагаю.
Who is more resorses hungry windows 11 or newest fedora with gnome 47?
That's no comparison. Windows 11 is way more heavier on hardware, especially on the lower end
@MichaelNROH no idea.. thats why i asked.. because i hate windows and will swich to something
Filen danke!
I'm waiting for it eagerly, when will it land on arch's repos 😭😭😭
Can someone tell me if Nautilus/Gnome can show thumbnails, for pictures (including RAW) and videos? Is it by default or do I need to do something?
Should be enabled by default, except for places outside your own PC (e.g. Network shares). You can however also enable it in the settings.
You mentioned "applications that request server side window decoration", can you clarify this because it was my understanding that (controvercially) Gnome does not support the Wayland protocol for server side decoration, and does not plan to.... in fact, it might even warrant a video explaining the controversy for the layman, and actually explaining Gnome's position, and the logic behind some of the decisions that "other" channels have spun in a very negative way... for example "Gnome refused to implement DRM leasing", "Gnome finally gave in and added DRM leasing" - but no one mentioned that they did a lot of work outside of Gnome itself to beef up the options for security in the underlying platform, even contributing to the kernel to make DRM leasing able to meet their security requirements, before implementing it.... it actually makes me feel more confident in my desktop environment if they are prepared to delay a feature and take criticism for it, while they ensure the necessary security is in place.... but on the other hand, "Server Side Decoration" seems to be a mess.... but then again, the only channels really reporting on this issue are already "anti-Gnome", so it's hard to get an honest picture.
As far as I can tell, if an application wanted to use server side decorations (mostly X11 apps) then it automatically got the old default GTK4 theme (the one that looks a bit more "bulky"). This theme has now been changed to libadwaita.
So basically what is happening is, that the app requests server side decoration and Gnome just returns something pre-defined.
@@MichaelNROH This is something that I'm really unclear on, but I believe X11 apps are treated differently to wayland apps.... which don't have server side decoration available, due to a decision not to support the wayland "xdg-decoration" protocol, but I have also found it really hard to find unbiased details on this issue. It seems that the original Wayland implementation had no concept of server side decoration, and Gnome picked up Wayland in 2013, but some time around 2018, other desktops like KDE started seriously looking at Wayland, and pushing for it... and are now bitter because Gnome isn't interested! The problem is that this may be a giant over-simplification, and it's hard to find unbiased reporting on it.
I am very new to Linux. The distro I'm getting my feet wet with is Debian 12. This video makes me want to give Fedora 40 a try just so I can mess with Gnome 47.
Cosmic DE should be the way. Is written in rust and should be fast. I have problems with linux all the time with themes and etc. hope cosmic de will be good
When adaptive HDR fully comes to Linux I will already be an old dying great grandfather.
I have given up on Gnome due to this reason, KDE Plasma is the only way to go.
I'm really disappointed on them.
THANK GOD they made a new video player, the previous one was outdated and bad in many ways. I can't even play H.265 videos in it
H.265 requires additional codec packages I think. It's not even supported on Windows natively 😅
Me use GNOME 47 with Ubuntu
After watching your video I really want to install Gnome on my Laptop and especially on my Mac. Is gaming on Gnome the same with Steam as in Ubuntu?
Ubuntu actually uses Gnome with some adjustments
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Wow, KDE apps look miles behind now. I hope KDE catches up quickly.
For all of the hate that libadwaita seems to get, it certainly provides a great, consistent app experience.
If KDE (Plasma 6.1) doesn't fix its VERY buggy desktop VERY soon -- I'm so switching to Gnome...
Tbh the only thing GNOME is rlly good for is laptops
Why?
@@dasistdiewahrheit9585 as someone who's using it on a laptop it feels like it was purpose made for a laptop, with how the touchpad gestures work and stuff
then again it's my opinion
not even on laptops, they removed laptop options like what to do when closing the laptop lid in newer Gnome Tweaks(and no such feature to be found in Settings either).
so unsure what the target device is currently
@@frankhuurman3955 I mean as far as I can tell it just suspends when the lid gets closed. If you try and manually suspend tho Fedora just cries lmao
Definitely one of the bigger releases, awesome job by the GNOME Team! Also great video :)
Are you still using mainly kde or are you back to Gnome ?
Gnome. When trying it out after some time I always come back since I can't get my hotkeys to work on Plasma as I like them. Mainly because it doesn't (or didn't) support setting mouse buttons
@@MichaelNROH same ! haha
Can you try 150% scaling and see if apps like Chrome, VSCode, work fine and not blurry.
I tried on Fedora 41 beta and it still looked blurry to me compared to KDE
It's not the blurry experience that it used to be, but I'm not sure if it's really quite there yet. Could be an XWayland, contrast or simply reloading the shell bug, but it doesn't seem as sharp as other elements.
It's quite the improvement however and scaling seems to be good enough for the Wayland transition now.
@@MichaelNROHThe blur is because fractional scaling works by rendering at the next integer scale (200%) and then downsizing (150%) with a shader. This is because GTK internally only supports rendering at whole integer scales.
I heard that GTK5 will have true fractional scaling.
@@MyAmazingUsername The new scaling should resolve that. To be honest, this is release candidate stuff and I'm not even sure if it has been pushed to Fedora yet.
is window tiling still broken?
Window Tiling is not a natively supported feature, so it can't really be broken.
@@MichaelNROH Case in point. They even purposely do things to break extensions that add it, every update.
Even MacOS caved and added it, because so many people used 3rd party tools to add it.
At a certain point Gnome Devs need to have some semblance of respect for what their user base wants.
Joever for guhnome
With gradience you can actually still theme libadwaita apps, at least the color theme. So theming should still work to an extend.
Gradience is dead
@@hlashflahflhsjfh I know, but I will use it until it does not work anymore. And right now it still works
@@somename5632Nah it doesn't work for GNOME 46. But yes it works for GNOME 45 and older.
gnome is barebones. not what i call a typical linux experience. it's even worse than windows in terms of out of the box options.
Ubuntu version of gnome is way more polished. I used fedora 40 gnome for a while, I was so disappointed with it that I had to switch back to fedora KDE
Garn47
I still prefer KDE plasma
Plasma is also awesome
Is it officially release and how I can upgrade ?
It's finalized today. The official release is on the 18th, though some distros can already inofficially upgrade. Like Fedora for example
@@MichaelNROH
I don't have this update yet let me wait anyway
Need GTK Layer Shell on Gnome Wayland or I can't use it sorry :)
hi
Blur should be a default extension
bye
Oh boy, I can't wait for my extensions to break! :D
Have you switched back Gnome yet ?
A while back actually. I think it was because I couldn't get used to switching workspaces without scrolling, though the Grid View was not bad
Still no SSD?
Cant wait for more broken themes and extensions
What about multiple workspaces management on multiple monitors 😢
I've heard or read about, that it is being discussed. Besides tiling window managers there doesn't seem to be any Desktop that supports this yet.
why gnome keeps duplicates apps?
gnome-console (KGX) is a duplicate of gnome-terminal
loupe is a duplicate of Eye of Gnome (eog)
gnome-text-editor is duplicate of gedit
this again, showtime = totem & decibels = gnome-sound-recorder
They are just new applications which got adopted and are meant to replace their older counterparts.
It's really just getting rid of old code that no one wants to maintain