The police found in the shooters notes that he had violent thoughts towards all the members of the band and had the opportunity presented itself, any one of them would have been the victim. It just so happened that Dimebag was the easiest to get to. Rip Dime
@@michaelbuettner1487 that’s 100% true. There’s so many facts that people don’t know. For instants the metal hammer 2004 edition that everybody tries to blame phil over saying some words off the record but they some who ended up “front page news” just to push pointless media nonsense; sound familiar? That metal hammer magazine, actually came out on December 4, 2004 in the United States. It was actually only available in Columbus Ohio by December 6, 2004. Only 2 days before 12/8/04. That would have only left a couple days, now deducting time for sleep and normal other daily tasks, there would’ve been a 12 hour window on December 7 or eighth that he would’ve even had the opportunity to possibly stop at a gas station, already upset over the band, breaking up Had already chosen sides, who was at fault or to blame went to put some gas in walk down quickly saw said magazine and it sent him over the edge into a panic induced rage? Who knows 🤷♂️ There’s no proof that that magazine ever even officially made it into Nathan’s hands. We already know that he was obsessed with the band for years since 1999 according to his notebook. He would listen to them before football practice. As early as 2001 that notebook says he was writing down that Pantera was stealing his thoughts. That’s right, he believe that the songs were his ideas and his alone. Some ppl blamed Phillip.. I’m sure by 2005 we would’ve had the most epic pantera record ever known to man. Every single record just got more unbelievably heavier and heavier. That night destroyed, countless fans, dreams hopes, memories, directions of music, not only the seven people that were inside the Al Roosa Villa/ EVEN the police officer, James niggemayer had to quit the force and has been in PTSD induced, depression and therapy ever since Nathan Gale like many strikes when it’s dark, a cowards act sad😢 rip darrell
Yes, BUT blames him for 'indirectly causing the death of Dimebag'. Ya know, because of both Anselmo's leaving AND especially for comments he made about Dimebag in some metal magazine
@@shaneculkin7124 people still think Philip up and randomly left Pantera & the brothers were blindsided. That's just plain FALSE. That's not what happened, that is revisionist history.
@@shaneculkin7124 well I know this is a year old thread that’s still pretty ridiculous, though it was just pointless media drama being pushed to sell magazines. If personal friends have said something that they regret, that’s between them to decide that really. If we’re still trying to cling onto media drama I mean seriously guys come on. The police officer james had to quit the fourth and has been in therapy and dealing with depression and PTSD ever since. It was like what’s seven lives lost that night, including Darrell. It changed so much. It really did such a sad day. The thing is though that metal hammer 2004 Dec. edition that everybody speaks of didn’t come out UNTIL December 4, 2004. I’ve done the research it was not even available in Columbus Ohio until December 6, 2004 that morning. So if you deduct time for sleep and normal daily schedules that would’ve left what?? A 12 hour window, between 12-07 and 12-08, 2004 that Nathan Gale would’ve had the opportunity to unintentionally run into that magazine. There’s no proof that he went to put gas into his tank at a gas station, walked in the store, looked down and saw that magazine. Then it sent them into a panic induced Rage. Actually, he had a diary at home as early as 2001 he was writing that he thought pantera was stealing his thoughts. That’s right. Had he had already chosen size who is the blame for the break up of the band and was already upset for years leading to this moment and then somehow unintentionally saw that magazine within the 12 hour window that it was available before the mascara? Not sure there’s never been any proof that that magazine even reached his hands. So this is just pointless media drama as always would still happens to this day trying to be dug up just like this video to get more views. Grow up here really SAD. I’m sure at some moment in our lives. Every single person in the world has said some thing that you immediately regret or wish you had phrase better. Now imagine your entire life is on a microscope you’re a multi millionaire musician and your band hasn’t done music in a couple years. People are going to be wondering why and if there is some kind of dirt, they’re gonna wanna dig it up so they can sell the magazine quicker. Think about it
@@williamrose7184 I think he said someone should beat him(Dime)to death. He wanted to do it but if he hit Dime his chin would turn to vapor. Then Phil tried to blame the mag for him saying it. If you say crazy shit crazy shit happens!
What rex fails to realize is that if pantera had stayed together they would have never been in that shit hole....security would have been much tighter!
Vinnie isn't the only one who blames Phil. Phil caused the breakup and then talked mad shit afterwards including the comments that are in question here.
Sadly it is all the members of Pantera and managements fault they broke up. After Phils overdose in 96 and on a shit tonne of heavy painkillers and after Rex took Phil to get mri's on his back, everyone all should've said let's stop, help Phil get the proper surgery and let him recover then go back to touring instead of letting Phil get worse with painkillers and heroin and watching him destroy himself.
He can blame him all he wants but theres no way hes responsible. That guy made his decision on his own. The guy that got Dime also felt that Pantera had stolen lyrics from him so who's to say he wouldnt have tried to attack them had they stayed together. Its all speculation and that's that. Even if Phil had never said a word, the guy may have done the exact same thing, again, its all speculation and we'll never know. Laying blame on anyone but the shooter is just wrong.
The Rex episode of Gibson's ICONS was truly awesome. Rex Brown is a real one.... But as far as the title goes, this isn't news. Everyone already knew what the beef between Vinny (RIP) and Phil was about.
Can’t blame words when a complete psychopath entered the equation. At the same time l can’t imagine losing your brother and music partner, the pain and anger pushing you to not think clearly. You would say anything.
I blame breaking my pelvis while building a barn in 2014 on my brother and I getting in a fistfight in a pick up hockey game 2007. I started my own team after the fight so...........
It’s crazy cause on “behind the music” Phil acknowledges his influence on the fans saying something like “I could tell the crowd to get naked and have an orgy and they’d probably do it” or something along those lines and superjoint ritual did play alrosa villa some months prior to damageplan so who’s to say gale wasn’t there and Phil being Phil at the time could of been talkin shit and hatin I mean if he was making “tounge and cheek” comments (as he puts it) to journalist around same time it’s probably more than likely he could have made similar remarks hangin backstage also I remember at a DOWN show here In minneapolis rex was especially paranoid (rightfully so) of fans walking up to him for anything ,pics auto etc. i seen a rare side of him as he flipped out an tell two young cats off wich l completely understand,it affects friends and family even long after the tragedy but I’d also be lieng if I said I wasn’t thinking “ does he know something we don’t and being around Phil maybe amplified that paranoia,who knows but regardless it’s just sad such things would even be a matter of possibility but even listening to some of Phil’s lyrics nowadays from G.S , Reinventing T.S an superjoints second album makes you wonder if some were in regards to their beef or his deep down opinions of dime, so I could understand someone a lot closer to Phil than I feeling that way in a sense but,that’s just my opinion
If it were me in Rex's shoes after having seen what happened to Dime, I'd be walking around in a bullet-proof vest whenever I went out of the house. People who want to blame Phil for Dime's murder overlook what the official investigation said motivated Nathan Gale, a belief that Phil Anselmo and/or Pantera were reading his mind and 'stole' his ideas, or in other words a classic case of schizophrenia. Whatever it was that set him off is practically irrelevant because we're not talking about a rational individual with a discernible motive. It's more likely Gale, in my opinion, had been planning for the attack well in advance.
It’s so disgusting to blame Phil anselmo for something that a guy did! No matter what Phil ever said or done: fuc… NOBODY has the right to take someone‘s life!
The idea is that the band status went way down with Damageplan. With that comes lesser security, lesser (smaller) venues to play at etc. All in all its not anywhere near the status that PanterA held. This opens the door to what happened to Dime. That's what Vinny is saying. Phil fucked around with the band, avoided them for a year. As a result, that put the brothers in a potentially bad position with the new band they had to create. & we all know what happened next...
Why do this? The people that care don’t want anymore negativity. The people that are recreating this nearly impossible feat are giving everything they have. How does this benefit anyone? I try to understand the coin on both sides of this, but damn these tribal times. As if enough ridiculous ideological differences and sensational b.s. doesn’t have us living in Hate and anxiety. What is the point, creator of this content?????
I personally knew the shooter he told me he told me what he was gonna do,I told everyone Police- security at larosa they all told me to stut up I tried.
Crazy thing is we’ve seen SO many bands have reunions or whatever in the past 20 years. There’s been so many changes and so much growth since then. Oh, well. Couldn’t ever change Vinnie’s mind and only Vinnie knows best.
Yeah but for all we know that psycho would have done the same thing whether or not pantera was together. He was having delusions that pantera was stealing his music. This logic is like saying "if Bob didn't spend an extra 5 minutes visiting his grandma then he wouldn't have been there when the bus drove by and hit him, therefore it's Bob's grandma's fault that Bob is dead" Fate is fate, sometimes shit just happens.
I read somewhere that the dude who killed Dime caused some troubles for the band during their previous visit to Ohio but they choose not to press charges.
Yep. That’s 100% true. He had actually already caused problems at that same venue and was known to be hanging out outside trying to get in without a ticket. So he was already on their radar. They just didn’t do anything about it. He had a diary at home as early as 2001 he was writing that he thought the band was stealing his thoughts and ideas. He was a complete lunatic already obsessed with the break up for couple years leading to this moment. That metal hammer December 2004, article that everybody tries to blame Phil for saying something off the record that somehow ended up front page news just to sell the stupid magazine, it didn’t even come out until four days before a dime played that damage planned show. The first day that magazine was available in the states was December 4, 2004. It wasn’t even available in Columbus Ohio until December 6, 2004. So he would’ve only had a 12 hour window if you did that time for sleep and normal daily schedules unintentionally run into that magazine and say at a gas station or somewhere. Is it possible he was already upset and somehow saw that magazine at the gas station and it sent him over the edge? Maybe not sure it HAS NEVER BEEN PROVEN. What has been proven now is as early as 2001 he wrote in the diary he was obsessed over the break up an already blaming the band for stealing his thoughts. That sounds like someone who’s had motive for a very long time before that article came out. We’ve all said things at some time in our life we regret or wish we phrased differently. Esp to our closest so grow up everyone and respect Darrell’s and Vinnie legacies!
@FunnyShortShorts2 I agree completely with what you wrote, this is just another shooting case that had all the signs that were ignored again by those that could have prevented it from happening
Well hell man in that case going by those standards we all are indirectly responsible for someone dying or getting hurt or some other bad shit. I don't believe Phil wanted either of them dead but either way just because you possibly say/said some fucked up shit doesn't mean you're responsible for a mentally ill psycho's actions. As far as I know nobody actually thinks Phil paid someone to hurt anyone. You're talking about a massive gray area to judge from if we went by that logic. There has to be some matter of fact, black and white area of reasoning to instill that kind of blame and responsibility on to another individual. Idk that just doesn't seem very fair, even if Phil is a complete asshole, he didnt kill dimebag
A lot of Phil's fans like to blame the murderer but, it was Phil's language that pushed the weirdo off the edge so yeah it's on Phil, most haven't heard the interview so whatever
They should've never been in that hole in the wall club. Phil walked away from Pantera and the brothers had to start over from scratch. When they should've been in stadiums behind multiple layers of security they were at a place with next to no security. When you see your brothers brains on your drum kit you can say something about how Vinnie felt. Im not saing what I think...im repeating what Vinnie said himself. Call this reunion,tribute, cover band whatever you want but its not Pantera. Vinnie MAY have done something with the catalog but you can be sure he would never have had Phil in that lineup. #NobrothersNoBand
When you have a massive fan base and Phil has said it in an interview that he has a huge fan base and they'll do anything that he wants them to do and you wish Daryl beatin severely right there he's spitting out anger about the breakup and the guy's motive it's already been said he was upset about the breakup of Pantera ,I mean it doesn't take a genius to figure it out You just don't say s*** like that when you have that kind of power. You have to be responsible with choosing your words wisely when you're that big, and he didn't. What's messed up is we'll never know but had he not left the band and went on to do that interview with metal hammer Daryl might still be alive. I bet there's not a day that goes by that Phil thinks about that and he's got to live with it I'm sure that's part of the reason why he's out playing Pantera again cuz he realized he had such a good thing with them and he messed it up. And then with Vinnie passing he had no closure there and that's got to suck I don't care how much money you got That's got to hurt cuz he opened his door to Vinny plenty of times and tried to make amends because he knew he could have very well been responsible for that what a shame. Rex is just in denial because he left the band with Phil so he's got a part in it too. He's telling himself that so he can feel better about it but he knows too He's just trying to put a Band-Aid on Phil's comments. He reminds me of a coward a follower two-faced. Funny thing is if Dime did see this tour happening from the guitar heavens or wherever it may be I'm sure he would approve cuz he was just that good of a person👿 Here read it duc.avid.com/archive/index.php/t-123194.html
Phil should of shown DIME... the respect he was DESERVING OF. DIME ask Phil several times & Phil lied about recording with another band avoiding calls from Dime, I doubt Phil had intended to do so but it sent Dime into another direction ultimately into the path of a disturbed individual....& it probably weighs on Phil's heart daily.. I can still remember when I heard about Dimes death rolling through Hollywood Hills on radio
I agree with Rex. Not Phil's fault that there was a delusional psycho on the loose. That's just fate man, nothing anyone could have done about it and no way anyone could have known.
Yes it is his fault, Phil kept saying it was dimes fault for them splitting and that crazy fk believed him and shot him . That's what it boils down to. The truth is they were finished together, that band was over , they did not make a good album after far beyond. The split had to come . They were going nowhere together.
It's not Phil's fault a psycho entered that shithole bar and killed Dime. Though it's kinda Phil's fault that Dime and Vinnie had to start all over again and play shithole bars. I can see both points of view.
Shithole perfectly describes the Alrosa. Still, I don’t see how anyone can blame anybody except that lunatic for dimes death. Dude was a verified schizophrenic that thought Pantera stole songs from him and he was the rock god of the century. Maybe the pantera breakup is what pushed him over the edge but that doesn’t even indirectly make the blame go to anyone else
@BadBoyWillieBill Metallica never played the Alrosa. They played the Newport in 1985. Perhaps that’s what you remember. Even still. IF Metallica played the Alrosa it wouldn’t make it not a shithole. Any place where the bouncers are selling drugs and ppl are ripping lines openly on tables is by definition a shithole. A fun shithole, but still a shithole. And let’s not forget the hookers in the parking lot Check metallicas website if you don’t believe me. Every show they’ve ever played is listed
Everyone let it go we lost an amazing artist and trying to put blame where it doesn't belong is bullshit was all of there no as fans just be there man the media makes people act stupid it's annoying
Ok I’m obviously not an insider but this is my rough estimate of the whole Pantera breakup thing. Just a very messy situation caused by bad communication from all parties that sadly led to Dimes passing by the hand of some mentally ill piece of shit. All they had to do was to sit around a table and talk about what the future holds for each of them and the band and make a statement to the fans so they would’ve been up to speed and not left to wonder about what’s going on. Phil wanted to take a break from the ridiculous amount of touring Pantera did for 10 years straight and I totally get that with his back and drug problems that had been going on for years at that point. He really sacrificed his health for Pantera. The statements he made in interviews that may have flipped a switch in some nutjobs brain were just to piss off the brothers and even tho it was stupid he really could’ve never known what it could possibly lead to so he’s not to be blamed at all for Dimes death. I also understand Vinnies stand as the grief and anger from losing his brother had to be channeled somehow and he channeled it on an easy targer in Phil. It’s not right but totally understandable. May the brothers rest in peace❤️
Phil was on high on drugs when he made that statement about Dimebag. drugs make people somebody they’re not and cause you to say things you don’t mean to say. He really needed help at that time.
He literally says nothing negative in that specific interview. I like those interviews but the guests never talk about anything negative. It’s frustrating when they just gloss over periods when you know some shit went down
Can’t blame Phil for someone committing murder. However the Abbot side considered Phil as the reason for Pantera’s falling out (true) and thus why they were playing clubs and shit.
@@kevinac4397 They went on a PLANNED BREAK in 2002 so *ALL FOUR GUYS COULD RELEASE SIDE PROJECTS.* This is a well documented fact 90% of the fan base forgot.
@@integrity101 true. But it’s also widely known they weren’t getting along before this. Vinnie himself blamed Rex for his death, which is dumb. Dime’s girlfriend also pointed blame at Phil for them playing small club venues. So they thought that around the time.
How do Rex and phil wanna be pantera? Now that the Abbott brothers are gone you wanna be pantera that's fucked up shit right there. The Abbott brothers are pantera.
The two Hangers On waited til Vinnie Paul died and their money ran out to cash a disrespectful paycheck with this horrible Cover Band version of Pantera tour. Anselmo hasn't been able to sing in over a decade.
Vinnie was right. There are two ways to look at this. One, you can see it from a fan's perspective and disagree with Vinnie because you like Phil. That's fair. Two, you could see it from Vinnie's perspective and realize that Phil's aggressive tone towards Dime is what triggered that POS to kill him. It's not DIRECTLY Phil's fault but Phil could have been a fucking man instead of a little boy and not bashed Dime the way he did. I think Phil deserves to be forgiven but if I were Vinnie I would hate him forever.
Iirc, that POS never even read that interview where Phil said that shit. Dude thought Pantera were stealing his ideas; he would have targeted Pantera if they never broke up.
Vin never forgave Phil for walking away from Pantera. Phil was a junkie and abandoned the best metal band to play his lame stoner music. Now after all these years Phil and Rex are getting poor and want to cash in on the very band they shit on.
Phil is a pos and is the main reason why Pantera broke up. It's not his fault that dime is dead but if they stayed together he would still be alive more then likely.
It's all Phil's fault that's why I won't go to the celebration. Its not a reunion. Zak can't lace dimes chucks. And who's on the drums? It's a washed up cover band
Like John Bonham and Bon Scott and Steve Clark and plenty of others. Alcohol should be illegal. But there's too many lawmakers that Love their Drinky Poo
The police found in the shooters notes that he had violent thoughts towards all the members of the band and had the opportunity presented itself, any one of them would have been the victim. It just so happened that Dimebag was the easiest to get to.
Rip Dime
Where did you read this? I have never heard that ever ??
@@michaelbuettner1487 that’s 100% true. There’s so many facts that people don’t know. For instants the metal hammer 2004 edition that everybody tries to blame phil over saying some words off the record but they some who ended up “front page news” just to push pointless media nonsense; sound familiar? That metal hammer magazine, actually came out on December 4, 2004 in the United States. It was actually only available in Columbus Ohio by December 6, 2004. Only 2 days before 12/8/04.
That would have only left a couple days, now deducting time for sleep and normal other daily tasks, there would’ve been a 12 hour window on December 7 or eighth that he would’ve even had the opportunity to possibly stop at a gas station, already upset over the band, breaking up Had already chosen sides, who was at fault or to blame went to put some gas in walk down quickly saw said magazine and it sent him over the edge into a panic induced rage? Who knows 🤷♂️
There’s no proof that that magazine ever even officially made it into Nathan’s hands. We already know that he was obsessed with the band for years since 1999 according to his notebook. He would listen to them before football practice. As early as 2001 that notebook says he was writing down that Pantera was stealing his thoughts. That’s right, he believe that the songs were his ideas and his alone. Some ppl blamed Phillip..
I’m sure by 2005 we would’ve had the most epic pantera record ever known to man. Every single record just got more unbelievably heavier and heavier. That night destroyed, countless fans, dreams hopes, memories, directions of music, not only the seven people that were inside the Al Roosa Villa/ EVEN the police officer, James niggemayer had to quit the force and has been in PTSD induced, depression and therapy ever since Nathan Gale like many strikes when it’s dark, a cowards act sad😢 rip darrell
He DIRECTLY blames him
Yes, BUT blames him for 'indirectly causing the death of Dimebag'.
Ya know, because of both Anselmo's leaving AND especially for comments he made about Dimebag in some metal magazine
@@shaneculkin7124 people still think Philip up and randomly left Pantera & the brothers were blindsided. That's just plain FALSE. That's not what happened, that is revisionist history.
@@shaneculkin7124 well I know this is a year old thread that’s still pretty ridiculous, though it was just pointless media drama being pushed to sell magazines. If personal friends have said something that they regret, that’s between them to decide that really. If we’re still trying to cling onto media drama I mean seriously guys come on.
The police officer james had to quit the fourth and has been in therapy and dealing with depression and PTSD ever since. It was like what’s seven lives lost that night, including Darrell. It changed so much. It really did such a sad day.
The thing is though that metal hammer 2004 Dec. edition that everybody speaks of didn’t come out UNTIL December 4, 2004. I’ve done the research it was not even available in Columbus Ohio until December 6, 2004 that morning. So if you deduct time for sleep and normal daily schedules that would’ve left what?? A 12 hour window, between 12-07 and 12-08, 2004 that Nathan Gale would’ve had the opportunity to unintentionally run into that magazine.
There’s no proof that he went to put gas into his tank at a gas station, walked in the store, looked down and saw that magazine. Then it sent them into a panic induced Rage. Actually, he had a diary at home as early as 2001 he was writing that he thought pantera was stealing his thoughts. That’s right.
Had he had already chosen size who is the blame for the break up of the band and was already upset for years leading to this moment and then somehow unintentionally saw that magazine within the 12 hour window that it was available before the mascara? Not sure there’s never been any proof that that magazine even reached his hands. So this is just pointless media drama as always would still happens to this day trying to be dug up just like this video to get more views. Grow up here really SAD. I’m sure at some moment in our lives. Every single person in the world has said some thing that you immediately regret or wish you had phrase better. Now imagine your entire life is on a microscope you’re a multi millionaire musician and your band hasn’t done music in a couple years. People are going to be wondering why and if there is some kind of dirt, they’re gonna wanna dig it up so they can sell the magazine quicker. Think about it
Dimes death had nothing to do with Phil and ALL to do with Nathan Gale.
I understand his anger but he might as well blame his ancestors for choosing Texas over say Minnesota in 1895 or learning the drums over the cello.
@@finnmcginn9931 exactly!
What terrible thing to put on Phil . A Disturbed person kills your brother and you blame Phil.
No shit
Yeah I fail to see how it's Phil's fault whatsoever.
Exactly.
Well, he did openly say that somebody should kill him.
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I think he said someone should beat him(Dime)to death.
He wanted to do it but if he hit Dime his chin would turn to vapor.
Then Phil tried to blame the mag for him saying it.
If you say crazy shit crazy shit happens!
What rex fails to realize is that if pantera had stayed together they would have never been in that shit hole....security would have been much tighter!
It was pretty lax in general until after that happened
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Stupidest answer
i’ve been saying this for years
@@SamGrantOfficial and if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike. It's no one's fault.
His anger and bitterness is understandable, but that's obviously not fair.
Vinnie isn't the only one who blames Phil. Phil caused the breakup and then talked mad shit afterwards including the comments that are in question here.
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He talked absolute mad shit about both of them and Pantera. Now he’s running around trying to hold a torch for pantera anyway he can.
Both sides talked shit. Welcome to reality
@@integrity101 yet one side is dead and another side is making profit. This the reality you wanna live in?
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Sadly it is all the members of Pantera and managements fault they broke up. After Phils overdose in 96 and on a shit tonne of heavy painkillers and after Rex took Phil to get mri's on his back, everyone all should've said let's stop, help Phil get the proper surgery and let him recover then go back to touring instead of letting Phil get worse with painkillers and heroin and watching him destroy himself.
He can blame him all he wants but theres no way hes responsible. That guy made his decision on his own.
The guy that got Dime also felt that Pantera had stolen lyrics from him so who's to say he wouldnt have tried to attack them had they stayed together. Its all speculation and that's that.
Even if Phil had never said a word, the guy may have done the exact same thing, again, its all speculation and we'll never know. Laying blame on anyone but the shooter is just wrong.
100% agree. People can't logic.
The Rex episode of Gibson's ICONS was truly awesome. Rex Brown is a real one.... But as far as the title goes, this isn't news. Everyone already knew what the beef between Vinny (RIP) and Phil was about.
Can’t blame words when a complete psychopath entered the equation.
At the same time l can’t imagine losing your brother and music partner, the pain and anger pushing you to not think clearly. You would say anything.
Yes you can blame words. That's why it's so very important to be careful with your words.
Yea being someone’s brother is the most powerful thing, you’d never rest after an incident like that.
I am a twin. I know exactly the powerful bond of being a brother. Being a twin is even more so.
I just miss dime and Vinnie tbh if I could time travel first thing I'd do save dime.
Fuck yeah dime bag would definitely make it out alive
The killer was plainly nuts and nothing could change that fact.
It was MK ULTRA. Welcome to reality.
Those unreleased DamagePlan tracks never happened and never will 😢
They will
They're garbage anyway
@@integrity101 not with Vinnie gone
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If anything it's more likely since Vince is gone
Can't blame Vinnie for how he felt about Phil...Mouth Of War...
i can. its low iq
I couldn't imagine no matter the heart breaks, that Phil would hire a hit. Dime was his brother as well as Vin. Give Phil some rest he's worthy
Maybe this is what Phil was talking about when he was singing about sacrificing his best friend for new found power
I blame breaking my pelvis while building a barn in 2014 on my brother and I getting in a fistfight in a pick up hockey game 2007. I started my own team after the fight so...........
Exactly!!
It’s crazy cause on “behind the music” Phil acknowledges his influence on the fans saying something like “I could tell the crowd to get naked and have an orgy and they’d probably do it” or something along those lines and superjoint ritual did play alrosa villa some months prior to damageplan so who’s to say gale wasn’t there and Phil being Phil at the time could of been talkin shit and hatin I mean if he was making “tounge and cheek” comments (as he puts it) to journalist around same time it’s probably more than likely he could have made similar remarks hangin backstage also I remember at a DOWN show here In minneapolis rex was especially paranoid (rightfully so) of fans walking up to him for anything ,pics auto etc. i seen a rare side of him as he flipped out an tell two young cats off wich l completely understand,it affects friends and family even long after the tragedy but I’d also be lieng if I said I wasn’t thinking “ does he know something we don’t and being around Phil maybe amplified that paranoia,who knows but regardless it’s just sad such things would even be a matter of possibility but even listening to some of Phil’s lyrics nowadays from G.S , Reinventing T.S an superjoints second album makes you wonder if some were in regards to their beef or his deep down opinions of dime, so I could understand someone a lot closer to Phil than I feeling that way in a sense but,that’s just my opinion
If it were me in Rex's shoes after having seen what happened to Dime, I'd be walking around in a bullet-proof vest whenever I went out of the house. People who want to blame Phil for Dime's murder overlook what the official investigation said motivated Nathan Gale, a belief that Phil Anselmo and/or Pantera were reading his mind and 'stole' his ideas, or in other words a classic case of schizophrenia. Whatever it was that set him off is practically irrelevant because we're not talking about a rational individual with a discernible motive. It's more likely Gale, in my opinion, had been planning for the attack well in advance.
It’s so disgusting to blame Phil anselmo for something that a guy did! No matter what Phil ever said or done: fuc… NOBODY has the right to take someone‘s life!
Can’t blame someone for anything they said for a fking psychopaths actions.
I've never ordered an anchovie pizza, let alone half an anchovie pizza, wth.
The idea is that the band status went way down with Damageplan. With that comes lesser security, lesser (smaller) venues to play at etc. All in all its not anywhere near the status that PanterA held. This opens the door to what happened to Dime. That's what Vinny is saying. Phil fucked around with the band, avoided them for a year. As a result, that put the brothers in a potentially bad position with the new band they had to create. & we all know what happened next...
But Phil was In the same position too with super joint
This is a ridiculous argument that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. It shows a complete lack of critical thinking skills
Ridiculous argument. Bands break up and form smaller bands all the time. The only person to blame is Nathan Gale.
I absolutely agree with Rex.
Drama. We all lost in this situation. Why perpetuate this tragedy?
Ppl always blame others for a loved ones death..
Man it wasn't Phil's fault I mean really
Bullshit
Right! I mean Nathan Bray was literally schizophrenic almost anything can set them off sadly..
@@dreviltwingaming5722 Nathan Gale killed Dime. Nathan Bray was a hero and tried to resuscitate him and was killed.
@@troopershollar9381 oh shit... my bad
It absolutely was.i remember Phil in superjoint on the radio calling for dime to be beaten.
He's an asshole and fucked Pantera over many times
Now Phil is with zakk making money off of dime bags songs
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😂🤡 really? 😂
Why do this? The people that care don’t want anymore negativity. The people that are recreating this nearly impossible feat are giving everything they have. How does this benefit anyone? I try to understand the coin on both sides of this, but damn these tribal times. As if enough ridiculous ideological differences and sensational b.s. doesn’t have us living in Hate and anxiety. What is the point, creator of this content?????
Right!? didn't we just have the first Pantera reunion after like 20 years?
If You Want the Truth, The Truth is that some fans were VERY MAD, that the Abbot Brothers separated from Phil, and started DAMAGE PLAN.
Well when phil was on the cover of metal hammer Dec 04 saying dime needs to be beaten what do you expect 🤔 and days later.... Well
Had nothing to do with it however.
Oh God not this again. Then why wasn't metal hammer held accountable for printing something that was said off interview?
Dimes killer threatened to kill Damageplan LONG BEFORE Phil's interview.
Pantera fans refuse to do 5 seconds of research 🤦♂️
this is a VERY low iq comment
If Phil woulda never touched heroin Pantera would still be here.. I gotta stand with Vinnie what you see now is a tribute band that's not pantera
Indirectly? Pretty sure he was pretty direct about it
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I think it was a whole thing....phil was doing super joint while pantera was sitting around eaiting.....i think
No. Phil was doing heroin.....
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Phil was doing Superjoint, like he said. The brothers didnt wait around either
just thankful i was Alive in the 90s and got to see Pantera.
I can't understand why Zakk is playing with Phil after knowing this
@taxationistheft.Well said
I personally knew the shooter he told me he told me what he was gonna do,I told everyone Police- security at larosa they all told me to stut up I tried.
Seriously?
Yes the guy showed me the gun and the bullets before he done it, cops told me he hasn't done anything yet
Crazy thing is we’ve seen SO many bands have reunions or whatever in the past 20 years.
There’s been so many changes and so much growth since then.
Oh, well. Couldn’t ever change Vinnie’s mind and only Vinnie knows best.
I was almost at the show Dime got shot at, cancelled last min. Glad I wasn't there
He did put them on the road to play small venues thus allowing that shooter to get to Dime.
Yeah but for all we know that psycho would have done the same thing whether or not pantera was together. He was having delusions that pantera was stealing his music. This logic is like saying "if Bob didn't spend an extra 5 minutes visiting his grandma then he wouldn't have been there when the bus drove by and hit him, therefore it's Bob's grandma's fault that Bob is dead"
Fate is fate, sometimes shit just happens.
Maybe this is what Phil was talking about when he was singing about sacrificing his best friend for new found power
I read somewhere that the dude who killed Dime caused some troubles for the band during their previous visit to Ohio but they choose not to press charges.
Yep. That’s 100% true. He had actually already caused problems at that same venue and was known to be hanging out outside trying to get in without a ticket. So he was already on their radar. They just didn’t do anything about it. He had a diary at home as early as 2001 he was writing that he thought the band was stealing his thoughts and ideas. He was a complete lunatic already obsessed with the break up for couple years leading to this moment. That metal hammer December 2004, article that everybody tries to blame Phil for saying something off the record that somehow ended up front page news just to sell the stupid magazine, it didn’t even come out until four days before a dime played that damage planned show. The first day that magazine was available in the states was December 4, 2004. It wasn’t even available in Columbus Ohio until December 6, 2004. So he would’ve only had a 12 hour window if you did that time for sleep and normal daily schedules unintentionally run into that magazine and say at a gas station or somewhere. Is it possible he was already upset and somehow saw that magazine at the gas station and it sent him over the edge? Maybe not sure it HAS NEVER BEEN PROVEN. What has been proven now is as early as 2001 he wrote in the diary he was obsessed over the break up an already blaming the band for stealing his thoughts.
That sounds like someone who’s had motive for a very long time before that article came out. We’ve all said things at some time in our life we regret or wish we phrased differently. Esp to our closest so grow up everyone and respect Darrell’s and Vinnie legacies!
@FunnyShortShorts2 I agree completely with what you wrote, this is just another shooting case that had all the signs that were ignored again by those that could have prevented it from happening
Sorry I think it goes deeper. Truth
Back then everybody did and we still do. We are not like Zack,turning 180 degrees with time.
Can't blame Phil for anything someone else does.. we are only responsible for the things we say and do.. actions and words..
You know vinny for sure would never let a reunion tour go on with the name pantera if he were still living
Mmmmm no this guy was was waiting for his final command and Phil gave it.
Don’t forget Phil’s warlock as fuck
False. Theres literally no evidence at all that the killer even read the Anselmo article
Well, no shit. Everybody knows Vinnie blamed Phil.
It's like saying it's the GUN'S FAULT...
The GREATEST tragedy in Metal 😢
Yeah but All he had to hear was Phil say Dime Bag deserves a beating. RIP Dime Bag and Big Vin 🤘🙏👌💨
Well hell man in that case going by those standards we all are indirectly responsible for someone dying or getting hurt or some other bad shit. I don't believe Phil wanted either of them dead but either way just because you possibly say/said some fucked up shit doesn't mean you're responsible for a mentally ill psycho's actions. As far as I know nobody actually thinks Phil paid someone to hurt anyone. You're talking about a massive gray area to judge from if we went by that logic. There has to be some matter of fact, black and white area of reasoning to instill that kind of blame and responsibility on to another individual. Idk that just doesn't seem very fair, even if Phil is a complete asshole, he didnt kill dimebag
Well there were those quotes from Phil in that issue of Metal Hammer that dropped like a week before, y'know?
Just another example of a gun coming in to a gun free zone lol signs don't work
A lot of Phil's fans like to blame the murderer but, it was Phil's language that pushed the weirdo off the edge so yeah it's on Phil, most haven't heard the interview so whatever
That was not his fault
I’ll shut my mouth to what the man himself told me when he was alive, while he would talk to my little girl every time he would see us.
Thats sheet, Who booked the show, They are to blame with that logic
They should've never been in that hole in the wall club. Phil walked away from Pantera and the brothers had to start over from scratch. When they should've been in stadiums behind multiple layers of security they were at a place with next to no security. When you see your brothers brains on your drum kit you can say something about how Vinnie felt. Im not saing what I think...im repeating what Vinnie said himself. Call this reunion,tribute, cover band whatever you want but its not Pantera. Vinnie MAY have done something with the catalog but you can be sure he would never have had Phil in that lineup. #NobrothersNoBand
When you have a massive fan base and Phil has said it in an interview that he has a huge fan base and they'll do anything that he wants them to do and you wish Daryl beatin severely right there he's spitting out anger about the breakup and the guy's motive it's already been said he was upset about the breakup of Pantera ,I mean it doesn't take a genius to figure it out You just don't say s*** like that when you have that kind of power. You have to be responsible with choosing your words wisely when you're that big, and he didn't. What's messed up is we'll never know but had he not left the band and went on to do that interview with metal hammer Daryl might still be alive. I bet there's not a day that goes by that Phil thinks about that and he's got to live with it I'm sure that's part of the reason why he's out playing Pantera again cuz he realized he had such a good thing with them and he messed it up. And then with Vinnie passing he had no closure there and that's got to suck I don't care how much money you got That's got to hurt cuz he opened his door to Vinny plenty of times and tried to make amends because he knew he could have very well been responsible for that what a shame. Rex is just in denial because he left the band with Phil so he's got a part in it too. He's telling himself that so he can feel better about it but he knows too He's just trying to put a Band-Aid on Phil's comments. He reminds me of a coward a follower two-faced. Funny thing is if Dime did see this tour happening from the guitar heavens or wherever it may be I'm sure he would approve cuz he was just that good of a person👿
Here read it
duc.avid.com/archive/index.php/t-123194.html
He blamed Phill directly
In hindsight, the whole end of the band and the loss of both Abbot bros is tragic. CFH til I die ❤
I don’t blame vinnie for not talking to Phil. 🤷🏼♀️😐 I would be done with his ass as well.
Phil should of shown DIME... the respect he was DESERVING OF. DIME ask Phil several times & Phil lied about recording with another band avoiding calls from Dime, I doubt Phil had intended to do so but it sent Dime into another direction ultimately into the path of a disturbed individual....& it probably weighs on Phil's heart daily.. I can still remember when I heard about Dimes death rolling through Hollywood Hills on radio
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this is a very low iq comment
Pure FICTION comment.
Dime should have shown respect to Phil and Panyera, and Vinnie was upset but talking pure shit there.
That's insane I had a flag flown for Dimebag Darrell sitting to Vinny through the strip club The Clubhouse
I agree with Rex. Not Phil's fault that there was a delusional psycho on the loose. That's just fate man, nothing anyone could have done about it and no way anyone could have known.
Yes it is his fault, Phil kept saying it was dimes fault for them splitting and that crazy fk believed him and shot him . That's what it boils down to. The truth is they were finished together, that band was over , they did not make a good album after far beyond. The split had to come . They were going nowhere together.
It's not Phil's fault a psycho entered that shithole bar and killed Dime. Though it's kinda Phil's fault that Dime and Vinnie had to start all over again and play shithole bars. I can see both points of view.
Shithole perfectly describes the Alrosa.
Still, I don’t see how anyone can blame anybody except that lunatic for dimes death. Dude was a verified schizophrenic that thought Pantera stole songs from him and he was the rock god of the century. Maybe the pantera breakup is what pushed him over the edge but that doesn’t even indirectly make the blame go to anyone else
@BadBoyWillieBill Metallica never played the Alrosa. They played the Newport in 1985. Perhaps that’s what you remember.
Even still. IF Metallica played the Alrosa it wouldn’t make it not a shithole. Any place where the bouncers are selling drugs and ppl are ripping lines openly on tables is by definition a shithole. A fun shithole, but still a shithole. And let’s not forget the hookers in the parking lot
Check metallicas website if you don’t believe me. Every show they’ve ever played is listed
We all know Vinnie blamed Phil and I'm sorry but he was out of order for doing so
Phil did say Dimebag needs to be beaten and a few days later the guy killed him on stage. I guess that is what Vinny is talking about.
I blame Phil as well.i bet a lot of people do
Current Pantera is a tribute band. Simple as.
It's not Pantera but its definitely not a tribute band either.
Rex is right 👌👏
Everyone let it go we lost an amazing artist and trying to put blame where it doesn't belong is bullshit was all of there no as fans just be there man the media makes people act stupid it's annoying
Why didn’t he go after Phil or Rex then?
If phil was on that stage that nigjt he wouldve been shot too ..the gunman was determined
Vinnie must think that Phil is Fu**ing Hostile
Phil had him killed for sure
Is that a booger?
Ok I’m obviously not an insider but this is my rough estimate of the whole Pantera breakup thing.
Just a very messy situation caused by bad communication from all parties that sadly led to Dimes passing by the hand of some mentally ill piece of shit. All they had to do was to sit around a table and talk about what the future holds for each of them and the band and make a statement to the fans so they would’ve been up to speed and not left to wonder about what’s going on.
Phil wanted to take a break from the ridiculous amount of touring Pantera did for 10 years straight and I totally get that with his back and drug problems that had been going on for years at that point. He really sacrificed his health for Pantera.
The statements he made in interviews that may have flipped a switch in some nutjobs brain were just to piss off the brothers and even tho it was stupid he really could’ve never known what it could possibly lead to so he’s not to be blamed at all for Dimes death.
I also understand Vinnies stand as the grief and anger from losing his brother had to be channeled somehow and he channeled it on an easy targer in Phil. It’s not right but totally understandable.
May the brothers rest in peace❤️
Well, Phil did wish violence upon Dime and it happened. Sorta hard to argue against that?
No. False.
Phil was on high on drugs when he made that statement about Dimebag. drugs make people somebody they’re not and cause you to say things you don’t mean to say. He really needed help at that time.
so the heroine made what he said ok. fuck Phil
They were never home so their equipment got used
He literally says nothing negative in that specific interview. I like those interviews but the guests never talk about anything negative. It’s frustrating when they just gloss over periods when you know some shit went down
The article Phil stated Dimebag deserves a beating.
Can’t blame Phil for someone committing murder.
However the Abbot side considered Phil as the reason for Pantera’s falling out (true) and thus why they were playing clubs and shit.
If they all hugged each other and broke up.....guess what, all 4 guys would still end up in clubs. Period
@@integrity101 no reason for them to break up then
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They went on a PLANNED BREAK in 2002 so *ALL FOUR GUYS COULD RELEASE SIDE PROJECTS.* This is a well documented fact 90% of the fan base forgot.
@@integrity101 true. But it’s also widely known they weren’t getting along before this. Vinnie himself blamed Rex for his death, which is dumb. Dime’s girlfriend also pointed blame at Phil for them playing small club venues. So they thought that around the time.
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The small clubs argument was made by Rita. Obviously it's a silly argument.
How do Rex and phil wanna be pantera? Now that the Abbott brothers are gone you wanna be pantera that's fucked up shit right there. The Abbott brothers are pantera.
Dime and Phil were Pantera. Vinnie and Rex werent special like Dime and Phil.
@@philipariel grow up kid
The two Hangers On waited til Vinnie Paul died and their money ran out to cash a disrespectful paycheck with this horrible Cover Band version of Pantera tour. Anselmo hasn't been able to sing in over a decade.
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Vinnie was right. There are two ways to look at this. One, you can see it from a fan's perspective and disagree with Vinnie because you like Phil. That's fair. Two, you could see it from Vinnie's perspective and realize that Phil's aggressive tone towards Dime is what triggered that POS to kill him. It's not DIRECTLY Phil's fault but Phil could have been a fucking man instead of a little boy and not bashed Dime the way he did. I think Phil deserves to be forgiven but if I were Vinnie I would hate him forever.
Iirc, that POS never even read that interview where Phil said that shit. Dude thought Pantera were stealing his ideas; he would have targeted Pantera if they never broke up.
Tell us you have no clue about this murder without saying you have no clue about Dimes murder 🤡
@@philipariel What did I get wrong? Did Vinnie not die hating Phil? I don't recall a single interview where he said he forgave him.
Vin never forgave Phil for walking away from Pantera. Phil was a junkie and abandoned the best metal band to play his lame stoner music. Now after all these years Phil and Rex are getting poor and want to cash in on the very band they shit on.
Pure fiction ☝️. My god Pantera fans are embarrassing
So any recent news 😉
Phil is a pos and is the main reason why Pantera broke up. It's not his fault that dime is dead but if they stayed together he would still be alive more then likely.
It's all Phil's fault that's why I won't go to the celebration. Its not a reunion. Zak can't lace dimes chucks. And who's on the drums? It's a washed up cover band
Failed attempt at robovoice and why even try?
I heard that Phil forgot to eat a legend so he isn't one
As nice as the Brothers were ,,,,,, welllllll
No love for Faketera
Eventually alcohol would’ve done him in!!
Like John Bonham and Bon Scott and Steve Clark and plenty of others. Alcohol should be illegal. But there's too many lawmakers that Love their Drinky Poo
uh duh. if Phil didn't completely screw up Pantera, they wouldn't have had to move on, thus he'd never be in that club that night
That's a moronic statement. Jesus Christ, develop some critical thinking skills
That's a moronic statement. Jesus Christ, develop some critical thinking skills
Phil. Had dime snuffed
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Thats a straight up lie clown .
Phil made Pantera.
All more then common knowledge