I’m not a fan of Taylor Swift but I am in academia. If students want to learn about Taylor Swift and there are professors who want to teach it, I see no problem with this
Half of the backlash is people trying to feel superior about their own music tastes. Even Ana Kasparian said that "classic rock" would be better... in a course that wants to MODERNIZE musical analysis...
Now I can only imagine some 17th century bloke making fun of the idea of teaching Shakespeare to students, since most of his stuff was considered pop culture in his time.
Even art that supposedly provides no value is interesting to analyse, at least in terms of WHY it lacks any value. I can't think of a single piece of art that isn't worth at least SOME consideration
I'm just worried they aren't going to compare her properly to contemporary artists. Saying this white lady did a bunch of stuff first that she def did not. What should we call that? Doing a Gump? Doing an Elvis?
@GaasubaMeskhenet that is amazing... Yk I might not be a fan of her music particularly but I have to say her super online fans do provide a wealth of entertainment. Like you said, one can hope the classes live up to comparing her work to other musicians. Ifnit does I think It would be genuinely beneficial in broadening their horizons a little outside of fandom *footnote for my own comment: turns out the last great American songwriter is a reference of hers.
TYT have really lost the plot lately. I've never been a big fan of them - something about their presentation style and/or on screen personalities rubs me the wrong way for some reason - but they are normally fairly good in their analysis of things. Ana especially. But this, combined with the latest trans stuff. Really makes me wonder if someone needs to do something like check the carbon monoxide monotors in their studio. As they have really dropped the ball recently.
I was surprised to see them react with such a shallow "analysis" of this course. The only reason I sat through their video was to see them give a balanced perspective. Imagine my disappointment when I didn't find one.
my main issue is that one course is called "the last great american songwriter" because that seems super biased and its going largely attract a bunch of swift fans who probably already think shes the best songwriter. I think having a diversity of perspectives and experiences that challenge each other would be better for discussion about art and artists. We should find our opinions and ideas challenged by classes and our peers. From what it sounds like to me that course sounds like more of a club than a class. I do think its fine if people took it but i also think its fine if someone perceives it as a waste of time. Not everyone is gonna appreciate the value a hobby or interest another person has. I think its definitely silly to decry all of academia and art studies based off of a few courses
In the student's defense, I think it's more of a nod to Swift's song: "The last great American Dynasty". So I think it's more of an in-joke than any huge scholarly bias.
I don't really care if people want to go to university to learn about Taylor Swift, but I do find it funny when people call her the Shakespeare of our time
I’m not a fan of Taylor Swift but I am in academia. If students want to learn about Taylor Swift and there are professors who want to teach it, I see no problem with this
Half of the backlash is people trying to feel superior about their own music tastes. Even Ana Kasparian said that "classic rock" would be better... in a course that wants to MODERNIZE musical analysis...
Now I can only imagine some 17th century bloke making fun of the idea of teaching Shakespeare to students, since most of his stuff was considered pop culture in his time.
They got mad at students writing on paper instead of slate when that change was first made.
It's a tale as old as time.
I'm not going to go so far as to say there is no art that isn't worth analyzing, but if such art does exist, it is exceedingly rare.
Even art that supposedly provides no value is interesting to analyse, at least in terms of WHY it lacks any value.
I can't think of a single piece of art that isn't worth at least SOME consideration
I'm just worried they aren't going to compare her properly to contemporary artists. Saying this white lady did a bunch of stuff first that she def did not.
What should we call that?
Doing a Gump?
Doing an Elvis?
True, that one course called "last great American songwriter" did get me to laugh a little.
@@Shutt1ngupn03 i saw a post saying she was the first person to do an album that's a story???????
@GaasubaMeskhenet
that is amazing... Yk I might not be a fan of her music particularly but I have to say her super online fans do provide a wealth of entertainment. Like you said, one can hope the classes live up to comparing her work to other musicians. Ifnit does I think It would be genuinely beneficial in broadening their horizons a little outside of fandom
*footnote for my own comment: turns out the last great American songwriter is a reference of hers.
@@Shutt1ngupn03 it's a lyric reference to her song "the last great american dynasty
TYT have really lost the plot lately. I've never been a big fan of them - something about their presentation style and/or on screen personalities rubs me the wrong way for some reason - but they are normally fairly good in their analysis of things. Ana especially.
But this, combined with the latest trans stuff. Really makes me wonder if someone needs to do something like check the carbon monoxide monotors in their studio. As they have really dropped the ball recently.
I was surprised to see them react with such a shallow "analysis" of this course.
The only reason I sat through their video was to see them give a balanced perspective. Imagine my disappointment when I didn't find one.
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Time to cite this in a video essay with no further questions
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my main issue is that one course is called "the last great american songwriter" because that seems super biased and its going largely attract a bunch of swift fans who probably already think shes the best songwriter. I think having a diversity of perspectives and experiences that challenge each other would be better for discussion about art and artists. We should find our opinions and ideas challenged by classes and our peers. From what it sounds like to me that course sounds like more of a club than a class. I do think its fine if people took it but i also think its fine if someone perceives it as a waste of time. Not everyone is gonna appreciate the value a hobby or interest another person has. I think its definitely silly to decry all of academia and art studies based off of a few courses
In the student's defense, I think it's more of a nod to Swift's song:
"The last great American Dynasty".
So I think it's more of an in-joke than any huge scholarly bias.
@@datamale that does makes sense!
I don't really care if people want to go to university to learn about Taylor Swift, but I do find it funny when people call her the Shakespeare of our time