I feel like the two big issues with Baby are his Level 1 (obviously,) and his struggle to prevent Shenron summons because of said level. If the infected Civilians were able to pick up Dragon Balls, Baby would be WAY better from that change alone. Also, on the topic of Dragon Balls, I'd like to mention that it's still important to have the STM up when summoning Shenron, because I've won multiple games as Baby thanks to Shenron being summoned too early, giving me enough time to take them out before the STM comes into play.
One way to help baby is to put some dragon balls and keys on civs that are NOT infected. forcing survivors to gamble on getting civs to progress the game, and this will also force baby players to git gud and not just leave their infected civs anywhere, if they try and mimic the civ spawn they can try and trick survivors into getting their infected civs. Also let baby lv1 pick up dragon balls and "store" them on the civ they are using, so when they change into another, the ball doesnt go with them, since that would not make sense.
The game keeps getting more difficulty and harder to new players and SOLO Players. And they probably keep nerffing survivors just bcause of premades, and the solo players will suffer. thx dimps!
It really is demoralizing to see such great raider plays making such good moves especially as Cell and Frieza only to still lose because of the insane burst damage certain supers allow. All this skill on display from both sides but it still just felt so one sided with the survivors hardly at risk of even losing a single dude, much less the game itself. I think this video's good example that even if survivors are of equal skill to the raider, those survivors still have such a bigger advantage.
yep and that's what some people keep telling other is raiders aren't op anymore but it all depends on the group you are playing with and if they know what they are doing. As most of the time people rush into things to fast or go to slow with tings. Like for me i don't rush in with keys hunting specially if people are still at level 1 and the raider is at level 2. Or summon shenron by my self if people are stuck on level 1. If i see people are at level 2 or 3 or half half than i'll help rush keys hunting and help someone who wants to summon for shenron.
I think an interesting video for you to make is (if you can find another premade of players) have them fight one of these survivors on raider (probably coolmoeny) to see if it’s just premades being premades or if it’s actually good play from survivors
This is a video that sure we can say premade are busted and are very op and strong especially when using what can be considered meta. Now with Enrique is always a player that I can never take lightly and still facing him back in season 4, knowing that he was the toughest for the team to take down since mostly he is the level 4 for the team and a damn impressive one at that. Now Coolmoney is a player even if I hate for how he can play and abuse what is meta. The guy can win without it. And the guy has practice this game a little too much. To where sniping a super he can do without much issues, it's crazy and sure PC players have mouse and keyboard but still it's a lot more impressive than when a raider snipe. Also to the raideŕ here, I can imagine the frustration but credits for fighting and giving it your all and that performance as Cell was unquestionable and showcasing how strong the raider can be in the right hands. Good matches and stuff that can be studied.
At 7:58 this might look not important but the fact that he transformed next a wall and sniping with SBC with the camera being locked behind the character is an insane play with the targeting abilities on PC Edit: Ryu did such a good job to showcase Cell abilities. Baby is just a bum lmao
This is great, I really would welcome more commentary over Git gud players being owned. That could offset a bit of the lack of content in season 6 for you. Also, props for P3 ost.
Bro I just thought of something I remember when the raider and the survivors both had 60 seconds to choose whatever raider or preset they wanted but then they decreased it for raider. What if they increase it back to 60 so the survivors wouldn’t know what raider you would pick and have to wait for the last 5 seconds when everyone is already ready up. That’s the only way I can see you getting away with baby against a premade.
It defeats the point of presets classes. The problem is the game itself and how survivors have a huge advantage over the Raider with all the broken skills. We could go back to not knowing who the raider is, but that would mean you'd just see constant broken meta skills regardless of what raider just to be safe.
everyone sucks at baby if when i play its a 50/50 win streak against a baby user. One thing i noticed people aren't doing is when the survivor is near one of the babies helpers baby users don't go near the baby helpers. Like not many people do that thus why they can't survive being alone when baby hits he's level 2 or 3.
Wait when u do your super theres no more start up animations? Like when the camera turns to your character for the charge up then looks back at the raider 2 seconds later but hes not there anymore lol
when you meet lv200 to 350 premade there is so much they have that save their life so no matter the raider would have a hard time when they start hunting them when they have so many skills to stun or survive.
Question: How do I know if someone is hacking the game or it's some glitch? Cause during one of my raider matches I had when I was fighting this one survivor when both seem to freeze in place for a couple of seconds during a clash, which left me open to attack.
I think this video just proves how much survivors can counter the fuck out of baby compared to the rest of raiders. Most raiders do not get stuck in there level 1 or two. The difference between getting 4 civs to five is fucking insane. A level one should not need to get 5 when super buu needs like four somehow for him to get a guaranteed win with just civs. But Babies level 1 needs 5? Just for you to get key rush, dragon ball rush and survivors just stalling to damage baby while he can't do anything is crazy. Baby should be like cell level 1 or the Vegeta level 1. He should need only four or three civs, be able to auto evolve and get more mobility wirh new supers like a big jump and a quick speed boost for like ten seconds or a dash. Also should only need one finish from a survivor and when someone activates a fake civ you should get more.
Baby as is can win the game in the first minute even against decent players. Gets lucky and downs one, hides his vessel nearby, gets pinged a bunch on the other side of the map and then warps back and downs a second trying to res. Next stop: invincible great ape with four servants before STM. Seen it happen a dozen times. If you want to make his early game less about survivor-error gambling, then you also need to address that his level 4 is an automatic victory.
This group and Bubbles group is the reason I started blocking all people using Puar in a sweaty way before I stopped playing. It's so fun when you can't see any character on the map and get snipped by SBC or another high damage super 😂
Dude, what are you proving here? That premades are rough to deal with? Everyone knows that, the people telling you otherwise are the ones in premades being that way. You're hearing a minority of people complaining about you and joining up with known players who ruin the game for everyone else to prove a point. You're undermining the message itself.
@arctiwolf857 what are YOU proving here? I set these up as fun little challenges to humble players. But beyond that I think it's interesting to see how premades play from their POV and also show what the raider has to deal with from theirs. It's not that deep man, I literally learned tech from these matches, and I imagine some others probably did as well. Not sure what there is to be upset about.
I don't play this game anymore because of premades but these videos show off what premades are doing and using that make it impossible for the raider to actually win. If the Devs were to see something like this and actually analyze what was going on they could base necessary nerfs and buffs off of the gameplay being used here. As Iron said, what are you actually trying to prove here?
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I feel like the two big issues with Baby are his Level 1 (obviously,) and his struggle to prevent Shenron summons because of said level. If the infected Civilians were able to pick up Dragon Balls, Baby would be WAY better from that change alone.
Also, on the topic of Dragon Balls, I'd like to mention that it's still important to have the STM up when summoning Shenron, because I've won multiple games as Baby thanks to Shenron being summoned too early, giving me enough time to take them out before the STM comes into play.
One way to help baby is to put some dragon balls and keys on civs that are NOT infected.
forcing survivors to gamble on getting civs to progress the game, and this will also force baby players to git gud and not just leave their infected civs anywhere, if they try and mimic the civ spawn they can try and trick survivors into getting their infected civs.
Also let baby lv1 pick up dragon balls and "store" them on the civ they are using, so when they change into another, the ball doesnt go with them, since that would not make sense.
sadly not all the time it works out though it depends if you are going against a good group.
Alternate Title: Coolmeony's premade proving themselves as the Bane of Breakers.
The game keeps getting more difficulty and harder to new players and SOLO Players. And they probably keep nerffing survivors just bcause of premades, and the solo players will suffer. thx dimps!
Exactly, and this is why I play less and less
It really is demoralizing to see such great raider plays making such good moves especially as Cell and Frieza only to still lose because of the insane burst damage certain supers allow. All this skill on display from both sides but it still just felt so one sided with the survivors hardly at risk of even losing a single dude, much less the game itself.
I think this video's good example that even if survivors are of equal skill to the raider, those survivors still have such a bigger advantage.
yep and that's what some people keep telling other is raiders aren't op anymore but it all depends on the group you are playing with and if they know what they are doing. As most of the time people rush into things to fast or go to slow with tings. Like for me i don't rush in with keys hunting specially if people are still at level 1 and the raider is at level 2. Or summon shenron by my self if people are stuck on level 1. If i see people are at level 2 or 3 or half half than i'll help rush keys hunting and help someone who wants to summon for shenron.
0:25 all 3 of cool moneys builds are labeled Toxic Build that dude is so self aware
10:36 this would probably look cooler with motionless ngl
I think an interesting video for you to make is (if you can find another premade of players) have them fight one of these survivors on raider (probably coolmoeny) to see if it’s just premades being premades or if it’s actually good play from survivors
This sounds pretty interesting hope iron sees this
Nah I’d win
i mean sounds like a little of both if im honest
This is probably the highest level of breakers I've ever seen. I don't know if I should be sad or not.
This was very entertaining, l loved your commentary on the matches Ironcane 💪
Blocked them since season 4 glad I did
being in the stream for this was smt different love these types of vids from iron
12:35 okay, who said "pretty close?" They weren't talking about the match, right?
It was coolmoeny, talking about the SBC snipe
@@Aqua-chanI was talking about the game dumbo
I love these kinda videos you do. Its fun and informative
This is a video that sure we can say premade are busted and are very op and strong especially when using what can be considered meta. Now with Enrique is always a player that I can never take lightly and still facing him back in season 4, knowing that he was the toughest for the team to take down since mostly he is the level 4 for the team and a damn impressive one at that. Now Coolmoney is a player even if I hate for how he can play and abuse what is meta. The guy can win without it. And the guy has practice this game a little too much. To where sniping a super he can do without much issues, it's crazy and sure PC players have mouse and keyboard but still it's a lot more impressive than when a raider snipe. Also to the raideŕ here, I can imagine the frustration but credits for fighting and giving it your all and that performance as Cell was unquestionable and showcasing how strong the raider can be in the right hands. Good matches and stuff that can be studied.
At 7:58 this might look not important but the fact that he transformed next a wall and sniping with SBC with the camera being locked behind the character is an insane play with the targeting abilities on PC
Edit: Ryu did such a good job to showcase Cell abilities. Baby is just a bum lmao
This is honestly a masochism raider run, Raiders DID need the buffs.
This is great, I really would welcome more commentary over Git gud players being owned. That could offset a bit of the lack of content in season 6 for you.
Also, props for P3 ost.
7:58 has gotta be illegal somehow
That perfect aim as perfect cell
i like how the wording has now changed from "camping" to "defend" far better description of what is happening!
Mass Destruction... NOICE, and them The Battle for everyone's Souls, yeah!
Love the persona music 🔥
This is going to be a fun video lol
Bro I just thought of something I remember when the raider and the survivors both had 60 seconds to choose whatever raider or preset they wanted but then they decreased it for raider. What if they increase it back to 60 so the survivors wouldn’t know what raider you would pick and have to wait for the last 5 seconds when everyone is already ready up. That’s the only way I can see you getting away with baby against a premade.
They made it 30 seconds so survivors wouldn't bring in dead passives/actives like dragon ball diviner against broly and goku black.
It defeats the point of presets classes. The problem is the game itself and how survivors have a huge advantage over the Raider with all the broken skills. We could go back to not knowing who the raider is, but that would mean you'd just see constant broken meta skills regardless of what raider just to be safe.
everyone sucks at baby if when i play its a 50/50 win streak against a baby user. One thing i noticed people aren't doing is when the survivor is near one of the babies helpers baby users don't go near the baby helpers. Like not many people do that thus why they can't survive being alone when baby hits he's level 2 or 3.
Some of you weren't there when these guys were using MoB along with I'm coming for you, the fights were ENDLESS.
Nah I’d win theses matches
I've never, NEVER, lost as baby.
The GODS in mortal human form vs galaxy - universal busters.....
Who you think is gonna win??💀
Wait when u do your super theres no more start up animations? Like when the camera turns to your character for the charge up then looks back at the raider 2 seconds later but hes not there anymore lol
when you meet lv200 to 350 premade there is so much they have that save their life so no matter the raider would have a hard time when they start hunting them when they have so many skills to stun or survive.
Cap 🧢 I’m level 350 and most of them won’t save teams members / randoms but let it be there friend they play as if it’s a money match or something 😂😂😂
@@ryujigoda3445 so true
i think game would be fine if they removed premades bigger than 2 or 3. at least for ranked😅
premades made the balance too hard lol
Question: How do I know if someone is hacking the game or it's some glitch? Cause during one of my raider matches I had when I was fighting this one survivor when both seem to freeze in place for a couple of seconds during a clash, which left me open to attack.
That just sounds like the survivor was laggy
I think this video just proves how much survivors can counter the fuck out of baby compared to the rest of raiders. Most raiders do not get stuck in there level 1 or two. The difference between getting 4 civs to five is fucking insane. A level one should not need to get 5 when super buu needs like four somehow for him to get a guaranteed win with just civs. But Babies level 1 needs 5? Just for you to get key rush, dragon ball rush and survivors just stalling to damage baby while he can't do anything is crazy. Baby should be like cell level 1 or the Vegeta level 1. He should need only four or three civs, be able to auto evolve and get more mobility wirh new supers like a big jump and a quick speed boost for like ten seconds or a dash. Also should only need one finish from a survivor and when someone activates a fake civ you should get more.
Baby as is can win the game in the first minute even against decent players. Gets lucky and downs one, hides his vessel nearby, gets pinged a bunch on the other side of the map and then warps back and downs a second trying to res. Next stop: invincible great ape with four servants before STM. Seen it happen a dozen times.
If you want to make his early game less about survivor-error gambling, then you also need to address that his level 4 is an automatic victory.
I feel like Baby is that one character that would ruin the game is he was anything above mid, I've never had a fun game fighting Baby.
37:02 That just crazy.
Iron needs to set a tourney up
Feel like half this video doesn't matter because it a pre-team pretty much lol
But that just me personally
I thought you were playing Baby Ironcane
Great vid
🙏
Skill issue still applies and luck aka rng
this is why i dont play this game anymore
GG
Don’t all babies suck? 🍼
May I have a turn?
I’m next
17:37 Not with the persona 3 music
Baby is a copy paste vegeta
My join season is season 3 and it's way better than six
I would prefer the great equalizer that was stopping the shinron
All purr what the F
too much puer
@@Aqua-chanNot enough tbh
We need more Puar!
if i learned anything from this, nimbus and resistance need a nerf
That’s why this game garbage now yall want everything nerfed but the raider.
I’m a sweaty raider but a trash baby player😅😅
The cringiest group ever
💯
true i cant stand these guys i don't even know why iron keeps asking them to come on
This group and Bubbles group is the reason I started blocking all people using Puar in a sweaty way before I stopped playing. It's so fun when you can't see any character on the map and get snipped by SBC or another high damage super 😂
@@coolmoney6792ikr esp that coolmoeny guy
Dude, what are you proving here? That premades are rough to deal with? Everyone knows that, the people telling you otherwise are the ones in premades being that way. You're hearing a minority of people complaining about you and joining up with known players who ruin the game for everyone else to prove a point. You're undermining the message itself.
@arctiwolf857 what are YOU proving here?
I set these up as fun little challenges to humble players. But beyond that I think it's interesting to see how premades play from their POV and also show what the raider has to deal with from theirs.
It's not that deep man, I literally learned tech from these matches, and I imagine some others probably did as well.
Not sure what there is to be upset about.
I’m pretty sure this is just for fun lol it’s not actually that serious
Nuh uh
I don't play this game anymore because of premades but these videos show off what premades are doing and using that make it impossible for the raider to actually win. If the Devs were to see something like this and actually analyze what was going on they could base necessary nerfs and buffs off of the gameplay being used here. As Iron said, what are you actually trying to prove here?
boo this mannnn, boooooo
My buu is nasty I usual get 2 fat buu in under a minute