Michelin Enduro Medium knobby review︱Cross Training Enduro

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  • www.crosstraini... Our Michelin Enduro medium knobby review. We have only done four tyre reviews on this channel over 10 years. Why? We think most riders focus way too much on tyres, instead of learning to ride better. As usual, it's 80% the rider, 20% the motorbike. Try our training vids for working on your extreme enduro techniques. Next? It's so subjective. You always get riders who will love or hate a particular tyre, like the Michelin Enduro medium, based on their terrain, riding style, budget, weather forecast and the size of their gonads. As Dallas says... Stop asking me about tyres. Stop! I have no idea! No idea! It's a personal choice. If you want extreme enduro training see our playlists of enduro skills to learn. But we get asked for tyre reviews so much we will start doing some. Lets start with the Michelin Enduro Medium knobbies that are standard on Sherco enduro models. Our dirt riding tips are great for developing your hard enduro skills. The Michelin Enduro medium rear tyre has lasted for forty rides over the past year. So the longevity has been great. But keep in mind we ride mainly hard enduro - so minimal wheelspin, mostly first gear, and not a lot of mileage. If you are enduro riding get into our enduro training vids. But this has been impressive durability given it's a fairly soft rubber compound. Michelin's policy of being environmentally friendly means they now use silica instead of rubber. And apparently this durability is due to the silica. Michelin claims it also means they can use one less ply so the tyre is lighter as well. They are very easy to fit and remove too. Extreme enduro training vids are our focus. We have been amazed at the Michelin Enduro medium grip. And every Sherco owner we speak to says they love the traction they get with these Michelins. Hard enduro techniques are covered in our training vids. Into enduro and dirt bikes? Check out our dirt bike videos. We run TUbliss with about 2psi and the tyres just wrap around rocks and grip like crazy. And even with this much wear the traction is still very good until you hit slippery wet clay. Faster riding with the Michelin Enduro medium knobbies? That's not really our thing but I checked some other reviews they are positive. Need hard enduro training? Work through our video lists.We can only find one negative. In Australia these tyres are bloody expensive! AUD180 for the front tyre. AUD250 for the rear tyre. Ridiculous. We would love to fit these again but not at that price. We will go for Shinko or Motoz next. Our thoughts? Brilliant for hard enduro if you want traction and durability. But don't pay the exorbitant price charged here in Australia. Have you used them? What did you think? Let us know in the comments.
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  • @crosstrainingenduro
    @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +3

    FURTHER NOTES! Read through these comments and you'll definitely find the occasional rider who hates these Michelins. Why? I've been trying to find out. This is an FIM approved knobby, which means the knobs aren't as high. It has a very light flexible carcass. All this is great for hard enduro, maybe it's not so good for faster riding and/or high air pressures. My best guess? If you do a lot of faster riding with wheelspin, you'll probably want a non-FIM knobby with taller knobs. If you love technical terrain and running low air pressures, you'll probably love this Michelin... if you can get it at a reasonable price! Read the comments and see what you think.

    • @houjous5131
      @houjous5131 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey what's your thoughts on mix and matching tire brands? I am loving my shinko 705's front and rear but I want a more aggressive rear tire I am thinking keeping the 705 in front and put a 805 dakar TL on the back (890 adv) but there are a few brands I'd like to try out. I'm doing a second rear rim for context.

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've mixed tyres quite often. I particularly like having a slightly more dirt-oriented tyre up front as I'd prefer the rear to slide around than the front off-road.

  • @jhill5002
    @jhill5002 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I was here for a Motoz review. This is about Michelin.
    Fortunately, I just mounted a Mich Enduro Medium, yesterday. Excited to try it out.

    • @rehepeks
      @rehepeks ปีที่แล้ว

      Confusing as hell indeed.

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Argh! I had stuff prepped for a Motoz review in a few months time after some good testing. Fixed. Hope you like it. One or two viewers haven't liked the tyre but didn't explain why.

    • @jhill5002
      @jhill5002 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@crosstrainingenduro will try to remember to give you feedback. Mostly slow techy stuff with a few high speed trails in btwn.

    • @michaelthompson1720
      @michaelthompson1720 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was surprised by this review. They came on my Sherco 21 300 sef. Maybe it is the rocky terrain I ride but these were the worst tires ever. They sit in my garage still looking brand new. Ve33 or m5b on the back and m59 or gt216 in the front for me. I hear they are good on electric bikes because they are lightweight.

  • @geoffscott9364
    @geoffscott9364 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Both my husqvarna enduro bikes came with these. Initially I looked at them and expected to take them off asap. One ride changed that opinion. They don't love wet conditions is my only gripe. I swapped the rear to a Pirelli scorpion xc mid soft which was clearly better in wet conditions, but maybe not so great on pumice/ rocks and roots. I then moved to mitas c18 yellow for dry conditions and xt754 for softer conditions. They have vastly superior traction in soft conditions, and they throw the worst roost my riding mates have ever experienced apparently. Great tires for my conditions. Tubliss front and rear, about 6psi on rear generally.

  • @TimPaddy
    @TimPaddy ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Going from a shit tire to a great tire made a HUGE improvement for me, as a relatively low skill rider.

    • @markmtbrider
      @markmtbrider ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You never see the top riders running slicks for a reason

  • @markxuereb3450
    @markxuereb3450 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've been running the shinko 520dc for hard enduro. And absolutely love them.
    I run tubless allso around 4psi

    • @tikkabrno
      @tikkabrno ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do you mean tubeless with mousses or neutech tubeliss?

    • @markxuereb3450
      @markxuereb3450 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tikkabrno tubeless whit 4 psi

    • @tikkabrno
      @tikkabrno ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@markxuereb3450 ok. That cleared that up 😂

  • @dirtbiketrailrides
    @dirtbiketrailrides ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Enduro medium (+ Mich bib) 90/100-21 front, starcross 5 soft terrain rear 100/100-18 inner tube (enduro medium 120 wouldn't fit w/ moose bib, didn't try with tube but will after starcross wears out). I've only ridden with the new tires once (see video), but they felt so good on sand, dirt and roots. No longer do I feel sketchy on the front tire in sand, but its planted and will make its own path instead.

  • @antonioaraujo99
    @antonioaraujo99 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Michelin Enduro Medium is a great tire, but as you say, very expensive, even here in Europe - they go for almost 100€.
    If you are doing hard enduro but not climbing trees and extreme slippery stuff at a pro level, it works very well with a soft mousse like a Nitromousse, Mitas or X-GRIP. I have gone through many Mediums, and they lasted me an average of 60 hours, with tread still to ride.
    If you really want to know what traction is and need a FIM tire, the Michelin XTREM is surreal. It's so sticky if you lift your bike after having it on the side stand you can hear the rubber gripping the ground. I know it's not cheap and doesn't last very long, but for extreme races that would be my tire of choice, if I had the budget. Pair it with a soft mousse for the best results.
    Another cheap alternative is the Shinko 216. I currently have the MX version in 140, and the Medium beats it by a mile. Good for general enduro riding, but in technical and slippery terrain its a nightmare. The SX version on the otherhand is fantastic, very cheap, great traction, even with flat knobs.
    Just my 2 cents

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good feedback, Antonio. It's a shame the Michelins cost so much in Europe too. I was hoping we just had a greedy distributor in Australia and that you guys could buy them at a reasonable price. 😒

  • @Mrenjoy92
    @Mrenjoy92 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It its the most used tire in my enduro club. Trial consists of rocks and water, slow speed. This is in Norway, and a rear 140/80-18 costs 180 aud (on sale)

  • @k2rtt3nen
    @k2rtt3nen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just installed second tire driving everything mixed from road to sand and between i must say that these are the best i have tried running with pretty low pressure on offroad and they do grip faster riding also.

  • @double-oseven5725
    @double-oseven5725 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The rear helped me crawl up an extreme hill with ease today. The front not great on hard pack but my px was high and I feel they would be magic paired with mousses. Love their light weight compared to starcross 6. Racing, ill buy the rear, trail riding starcross 6 med hard front n rear.

  • @johnnywishbone831
    @johnnywishbone831 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Michy's are good but you're right on the price. I've always loved the Mitas "EF-07 MAJESTIC ENDURO" single green stripe for the rear. Even the Orange is good (Medium). They used to ~$140 but now a bit pricier. Still a great FIM gummy hard enduro tyre.
    Cheers

  • @jasonjackson1259
    @jasonjackson1259 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amateur opinion based on decades of hooreing around irish enduro’s:
    These are a great tyre to benchmark against others.
    Pro’s;
    The grip is mega, due to the compound and soft carcass.
    The compound is so good, they continue to grip when they are well worn.
    With a mousse, they are the perfect allrounder.
    They are super light weight.
    Cons;
    They are bloody expensive.
    They are almost a mousse-only tyre, as they are super thin. These tires are by a fair bit thinner in the sidewall than most.
    In my experience, these aren’t great with tubliss as every ride you have to plug a hole or slit.
    I have found that if I want all these pros without the cons (Except for cost)
    -metzeler six days extreme. Similar properties, proper sidewall.

  • @geneharrogate6911
    @geneharrogate6911 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I find my 200 / 55 Michelin race slicks at 2 psi and 80 deg C superb on sandstone escarpments.

  • @markmtbrider
    @markmtbrider ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wear , traction, performance at multiple speed ranges and terrains , give the IRC VE 33S gekkota a go.

  • @yoboo6167
    @yoboo6167 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've tried the front on my dual sport. It excelled offroad and was a great tire! I found it a little soft and unpredictable for the highway though.
    When I was doing hard enduro all the time like you blokes ride my go to, cheap setup, was the shinko 216mx up front and 525 cheater in the rear running low psi's.

  • @brian_schutte
    @brian_schutte ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a 22 sherco 300…love the bike! the stock Michelin front tire seems alright…the rear was crap (imho), switched to a shinko 525 rear tire, and seems to hook up much better. Also like a few of the IRC tires

  • @ErzbergAdventures
    @ErzbergAdventures ปีที่แล้ว +1

    recently put one on the rear for the Kozi Killer a while back. Blew me away for the grip and stability it provided compared to the previous 2 tires i tried. I luckily picked mine up where you guys got your bikes at for half price. Somebody bought a New bike but didn't want the FIM tires on the new bike!

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What air pressure do you usually run? I'm interested because a handful of viewers hate these tyres, but maybe they don't work well at 15psi?

    • @ErzbergAdventures
      @ErzbergAdventures ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Cross Training Enduro im running tubeliss on the ktm. Usually around 3-6 psi. Even at low pressure it was surprisingly good on the local trail ride with high speed corners.

  • @johnnyvanpottelberghe
    @johnnyvanpottelberghe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i don't like them when it is soft mud,now i have x-grip jack the gripper,i love them

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep, the FIM style knobbies work great in a lot of conditions but not as good in soft mud, sand or loamy soil it seems. Taller knobs will be better.

  • @hopemosley3864
    @hopemosley3864 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That rear tire looks identical to the Shinko 140 that came on my 23 Xtrainer.

  • @jonnoMoto
    @jonnoMoto ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My go to front has been the Michelin enduro medium. Works well just about everywhere. I've never worn one out but I do find the edge knobs break off far too soon.
    Meh on the rear. A lot of the places I ride tend to have clay mud. I tried the 120 & 140 and gave up with it. Much prefer the mitas xt754 green stripe (red stripe really is only suited to mud). Better in mud but worse on rocks and life. But they've gone expensive like the mediums.
    Currently using Michelin trackers because the enduro mediums are so expensive. They're better than I thought they'd be. Acceptable in most places but awful on rocks.

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's weird how almost any brand will occasionally have the side knobs break off on the front.... including expensive Goldentyre. Manufacturing flaws? Occasional bad batch of rubber or silica?

    • @gg4760-k5n
      @gg4760-k5n 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Been riding Trackers front and rear and I can only say good things about those. They are cheap, grip well in any conditions and wear is very progressive so they last long. I suspect they use the same rubber as the Medium but since the knobs are bigger and taller you have more to wear. Sizing is a bit weird tho, I took a 120/90 same as the Medium but they size like the 140/90 Medium.

  • @middleageddirtscooter7883
    @middleageddirtscooter7883 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Try the Bridgestone E50 Extreme. Cost alot and can be tough to find but gets AWESOME traction!

  • @Veksi8
    @Veksi8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best tires with mouses so far!

  • @tknutt
    @tknutt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I run the rear Enduro on my EXC-F. High traction confidence off-road, very low braking confidence on-road. I mostly only ride asphalt for getting to nearby trails, no highway.

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I just fitted Motoz Rallz to my DR650, I'll be just easing my way into testing them on road corners lol. Especially wet roads!

  • @C3Enduro
    @C3Enduro ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m on my second rear for my 2022 XTrainer and have no reason to change. Wasn’t thrilled with the front. Went with an IRC front but don’t like that either.

  • @sarahdell4042
    @sarahdell4042 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tires are so darn subjective. I hate those Michelins for hard enduro

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting! What are your typical condition, Sarah? Mud? Rock?

    • @sarahdell4042
      @sarahdell4042 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@crosstrainingenduro Boulders,roots, and really good loam if I’m lucky.
      I found the front to wash easily and the rear to struggle with roots and boulders.
      I ride with tubes and generally keep 8-12 psi in tires.
      Hard to beat the M59 or X31 front. There’s 3 gummy rears I love, and cycle between. VE33S is probably the best overall as it lasts awhile and is predictable.
      Everyone is very opinionated when it comes to tires though! I ride with people who I couldn’t keep up with if you paid me all the money in the world, and they always have completely worn tires. 80% rider sounds about right :)

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Interesting! Maybe they don't behave as well as other knobbies at comparatively high pressures? We all run TUbliss at about 3psi and these Michelins hook up really well.

  • @haroldb5635
    @haroldb5635 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Trying the front tire out here in East Tennessee. Running UHD tube at 11 psi. Slow, tight singletrack with rocks, roots, and mud. Unpredictable handling to say the least. Traction here, front end slide there. Came across a 2” branch across the trail and the tire just slid sideways across it. Why oh why did Goldentyre discontinue the GT233?

    • @stevenllewellyn8906
      @stevenllewellyn8906 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      My go to is a GT216AA for hard enduro and enduro. I’m in Pennsylvania, I don’t think I’ll ever run a different front tire. I hope they don’t discontinue it. Super predictable and lasts FOREVER. Can run it at whatever psi you desire.

  • @darcymcfarlane1797
    @darcymcfarlane1797 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was loving these tyres with the tubliss at 5psi. However I sliced it open and was unable to be plugged. I had noticed it had minor cuts all over the tyre.

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Was that in rocky terrain, Darcy? We ride a lot of hard enduro rock sections but admittedly at low speed. We've never had issues with cuts... yet.

  • @davidgalovic9473
    @davidgalovic9473 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi I ride every week with tubliss and I only use second hand tyres I get free from a tyre shop , like you say it’s skill over tyres

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep, another viewer said even crap tyres become good if used with TUbliss at low pressure. I tend to agree. Possibly this Michelin works really well due to its light weight and thinner carcass. It just wraps around rocks and roots when used with TUbliss.

  • @bnashvegas
    @bnashvegas ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I run Michelin enduro mediums with proper size Michelin bibs. East coast USA hare scramble racing 50A(minus😂). Absolutely love them. Sometimes run m59 front as it takes same Michelin bib size. My 21 beta race edition came with Metzler extreme they were great too. Those are hard to get here so switched to Michelin.

    • @lostinpa-dadenduro7555
      @lostinpa-dadenduro7555 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m in PA. Do you find the lower knob height on the Michelin Medium makes them more stable going over rocks and roots? I’ve been running IRC JX8 110/100-18 which has tall knobs. I’ve been looking at what the Euro guys use and they seem to swear by 140/80-18 with the FIM knob sizes.

    • @bnashvegas
      @bnashvegas 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think so. I love them we have lots of rocks and roots here in tn and they are great. I think they side hill better than any tire I’ve ever ran.

    • @lostinpa-dadenduro7555
      @lostinpa-dadenduro7555 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bnashvegas Sweet. I just got a new rear but I’ll try the Michelin Medium for next tire. I’ve been running the Michelin Enduro Medium 90/100-21 front since last year and it’s been great.

  • @juliomaciel4766
    @juliomaciel4766 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My beta300 2020 come whit that tyres but to me isn't a good tyre for technical terrain and whit tubs is worst. I prefer use in front the muitas c19 super light 90/100-21 and on rear tubliss and use Kenda knarly 778 or shinko sx216. Just my opinion.

  • @Dutters.dirtbikes
    @Dutters.dirtbikes ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Haven’t tried them because the tread depth is so low it wouldn’t do well for the deep soil I ride and like to go fast. Ve33s rear and 80/100 goldentyre has been my perfect match 👌

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah I don't think the FIM style of knobby is going to do well in those scenarios

    • @markmtbrider
      @markmtbrider ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can't beat the Irc for traction ,wear and overall value here in southern oh ,KY riding. Hail the gekkota ve33s

    • @Dutters.dirtbikes
      @Dutters.dirtbikes ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@markmtbrider for sure 👍 it’s been the most versatile tire iv tried so I’m staying with it. And the goldentyre 80/100 gives me razor sharp steering for aggressive corners

    • @Dutters.dirtbikes
      @Dutters.dirtbikes ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@crosstrainingenduro for sure but I’m very interested in hearing more about that front tire beings that almost all the pro use it. Maybe it’ll give me more powers.

  • @dathonlawler81
    @dathonlawler81 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m on my second IRC M5B rear. I’m a podium C rider(but no 1st places yet😢 The tire is 96 dollars. I’ve owned about 8 different tires since I started riding in 2019. They are gaining a lot of sales in the US. I would consider this in your lineup. And they are a smaller company and may send you one for free.99

    • @todayweride4779
      @todayweride4779 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is there a stockist in australia for them? curious

  • @grantbowen5047
    @grantbowen5047 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kenda Knarly 140 for the win.

  • @BlessureK
    @BlessureK ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Absolutely loved the set that came on my 300 SE for hard stuff. Such a light tyre and the traction with slow riding on hard terrain is insane. Coupled with the Sherco's ability to lug at really low revs, it's fantastic - a few times I was amazed how when I'd fuck up a hill climb but not stall and maintain traction to get up it.
    But yes AUD price is ridiculous so went to Goldentyre GT216 & 333 since, which suit make more sense since I ride fast more often than slow. If I'm riding only fast stuff I'll go with a Starcross rear with the GT216 front.

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sherco luggability... it's awesome! In our experience with recent models on the Beta comes close.

  • @glossblack1098
    @glossblack1098 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really like these tyres too on my Husky 300. But like you I can’t fork out that money in Australia to replace them. I just ordered the Michelin star cross 5, which are quite a bit cheaper and meant to be very good. Will find out soon. Cheers

    • @adamutuber
      @adamutuber ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I thought it was industry standard that the Mich StarCross 5's & 6's were the bee's knee's, top shelf, best of the best?

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Keep us posted on how the Starcross goes.

  • @frogzie
    @frogzie ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Moneywise in Australia, wouldn't it make more sense to replace the whole Sherco instead of just the Michelin's?

  • @lostinpa-dadenduro7555
    @lostinpa-dadenduro7555 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve been running the Enduro Medium 90/100 with standard mousse since last year. It’s the first front tire setup I’ve done that feels good to me straight after a fresh tire and mousse. But they are $$$

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Expensive in the USA too? Bummer. I figured we just had a greedy distributor here. 😢

    • @lostinpa-dadenduro7555
      @lostinpa-dadenduro7555 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@crosstrainingenduro Yeah it’s $121 US for the Michelin 90/100 front versus $80 US for a Shinko MX216 90/100-21 Cheater front.

  • @thumblessturnip3392
    @thumblessturnip3392 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My 22 Sherco had these from factory as well and personally, I could not get any traction out of them for the life of me.
    Ended up switching to Michi Starcross 6s after about 3 rides and haven't looked back.

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Interesting... what sort of terrain? Everyone on Shercos in our state raves about them for hard enduro riding.

    • @thumblessturnip3392
      @thumblessturnip3392 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@crosstrainingenduro central West Vic. Get a mix of clay, clay quartz and loamy dirt/mud.
      Dunno what it was but even sinking as much weight as I could onto the rear I just never got it to hook up.

    • @cowpker4life333
      @cowpker4life333 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@thumblessturnip3392most likely due to the Michelin enduro being fim approved short nob and desgined for rocks/river beds vs clay/sand/mud.

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That could well be it. Higher knobs would probably be better in the loamy stuff. Could be riding style too? For faster riding with lots of wheelspin the FIM style may not work as well?

    • @cowpker4life333
      @cowpker4life333 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@crosstrainingenduro think mainly type of terrarin. Faster trails you would want stiffer nob or carcus(normally tire pattern is good enough for what desgined for) but can easily fix with more air pressure give extra stability.

  • @Superdrew_23
    @Superdrew_23 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What is the price of the IRC JX8 in ASU? It’s my go to rear here in Utah. I run it with the plushie moose just because lol.

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Actually I've never heard of it, Andrew. A quick Google search under 'Shopping' in Australia should show it.

    • @Superdrew_23
      @Superdrew_23 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@crosstrainingenduro Looking like it's around 130-160AUD on the google bot. A bit crazy how much more they are way down there.

    • @lostinpa-dadenduro7555
      @lostinpa-dadenduro7555 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@crosstrainingenduro It’s a “super gummy” with a stiffener in the sidewall. I have a durometer and it measures softer than the Shinko 505 and 525 tires on the main treads, but, and here’s why a lot of my crew runs it, the sidewall keeps it from feeling like a marshmallow when you’re doing any faster connecting trails. Then when you get it into the forest it’s grip city.
      I’ve run the 505,525, GT216 but I like the JX8 best for the forest. IRC also has the VE33S which measures as gummy as the 505 and 525, but again has a better sidewall feel in corners. No feeling like it’s rolling under. The VE33S is better for faster “hard enduro” and loose shale like hill climbs.

  • @timhenrywoodard9583
    @timhenrywoodard9583 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I disagree on your take for tires. I’m a beginner rider and struggled until I changed those rock hard stock tires on my Beta. Once I had some softer rubber it felt like I was a much better rider. Tires are cheap in the US. Around $100 to get a new tire that can last all season.

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting. So it was definitely Michelin Mediums on the USA Betas? I thought they came from the factory with Maxxis knobbies in recent years?

  • @hillfurnishings
    @hillfurnishings ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2psi with any tyre is going to give unbelievable traction. Do you run 2psi in the front too? When ever I try running less than 5 on the front it feels like I wack tree roots and rocks too hard… I suppose that’s not in first gear though…

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is using TUbliss though. It hold the tyre so firmly that it's like having about 3 psi in there already. So when we pump them up to 2psi it's effectively like 5psi. I think I run about the same front and rear. But if it was a faster ride I'd probably put in 6psi so I effectively had something like 9psi just to protect the rims and get better high speed handling.

  • @hachtenduro7824
    @hachtenduro7824 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Confused: shouldn´t the Video title be starting "Michelin...", not "Motoz..."
    So many tyres - so little time....
    The Michelin have replaced my standard tyre Metzeler "6days" as rear tyre. Because of softer compound and carcass. Bad performance on wet clay is typical for round knobbies+soft carcass+low-pressure - you need fresh rubber there and a bit more pressure imho. The Michelin have a rotation direction, but I found no disadvantage when turning the tyre rotation to get sharp edged knobbies again. Alternative: Metzeler 6days soft (not supersoft) are a bit similar to Michelin. And Mitas Terraforce green stripe also.
    With front tyre I am less picky, but prefer stiff pressure for predictable precise cornering on everything with more than slow speed. Still I find Michelin is great (a single complaint - edge knobs tend to break early unfortunately). Alternative e.g.: Bridgestone M59 or the new X31.
    Mousse by Michelin is also really great. Be aware the Michelins need larger mousse than most and their mousse is also large. The Michelin equipped with their mousses is my gold standard for allround riding with hard enduro included.
    Cheers from Germany!

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Doh! I had stuff prepped for a Motoz review in a few months time after some good testing. Fixed.

  • @krisb2136
    @krisb2136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I accidentally got a Dunlop 120 wide rear when my last 110 let go. Had to make some trailer adjustments but it's a bloody ripper.
    Side question, is there any tyre that works on slippery wet clay?

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We don't encounter that slippery clay often, Kris. But I imagine a hard compound would work well so it didn't flex. High knobs spaced well apart to resist clogging up. And a good straight edge. E.g. once the knobs round off, reverse the tyre or use a knobby knife to get a straight edge again?

  • @eugenesimons3726
    @eugenesimons3726 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My dealer gives me all the take offs when guys don’t want the Michelin on there I don’t understand why but Free tires

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wow. What a bargain. Is this the Michelins on Shercos in particular? They are an amazing tyre. And very expensive in Australia.

  • @nyuhonda569
    @nyuhonda569 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that true

  • @MrJacksmithFTW
    @MrJacksmithFTW ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't like the michelins medium. I run mitas terra force double green line. in my opinion a far superior tyre. would like you to try them

    • @hachtenduro7824
      @hachtenduro7824 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mitas double green is really very good.Still - "Far superior" may be not adequate here, you compare a gummy compound to a durable medium/soft version. The gummy version of Michelin is what you should compare - and then Michelin will be more than equal (Michelin is choice of top riders for a reason)

    • @MrJacksmithFTW
      @MrJacksmithFTW ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hachtenduro7824 don't really agree. I think the Michelin xtrem is only comparable to the maxxis supersoft. But if you want to make it more fair you can compare the single green and even that I think is far superior. The Michelin is good when new but as it gets worn It loses a lot the mitas wears much nicely

  • @cedricboivin9422
    @cedricboivin9422 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I ride a dual sport and I really like trial tire on the rear. They wear well and grip like crazy.
    I was wondering if you ever tried it? It's really popular in the hard Enduro world, but I have never seen you with one.
    If you've never tried it, is there a specific reason or you just never cared?

    • @jonnoMoto
      @jonnoMoto ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's good until you come to mud, descents or cornering.

    • @cedricboivin9422
      @cedricboivin9422 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jonnoMotoI totally agree, but so are most tire made to last a significant time on the road

    • @jonnoMoto
      @jonnoMoto ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cedricboivin9422 maybe 50/50s. I'm currently using michelin trackers which I heard LADV people talking about. It's pretty good offroad

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I reviewed the Motoz Hybrid years ago which is similar to a trials tyre but longer lasting. As other guys say, no much chop when it comes to longevity, mud or faster cornering.

  • @DarkFox6211818
    @DarkFox6211818 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ???
    Barry, I'm confused - the video title and thumbnail say MOTOZ, but you're talking about a MICHELIN
    I use the MotOz enduro I/T and S/T on my DRZ and CR, both excellent tires.

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Argh! I had stuff prepped for a Motoz review in a few months time after some good testing. Fixed. 🤦‍♂️

  • @tim8deb
    @tim8deb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where is the Motoz review?

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Won't be a few months as we just fitted them. But I prepped the files and got them mixed up, doh.

  • @nothinyaseehere9449
    @nothinyaseehere9449 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just put a Michelin on the front and d606 on rear

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting... a D606 on the rear. Is that to get good wear on the road?

    • @nothinyaseehere9449
      @nothinyaseehere9449 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@crosstrainingenduro yeah mate it’s a hard wearing rear tyre great for hard rocks n bitumen. It’s never let me down once

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cheap too!

    • @nothinyaseehere9449
      @nothinyaseehere9449 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@crosstrainingenduro dirt cheap!! I’ve got 3 on other bikes, the oldest tyre is 7 years old n it’s a little bit dull compared to the brand new one…

  • @daves3016
    @daves3016 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ah bummer, dude put in wrong title and is sound asleep in AUS.

  • @todayweride4779
    @todayweride4779 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not a chance in hell would i pay that much. Ive used GoldenTyres and Shinko 525. If i struggle to get grip its my lack of knowledge about pressures and general riding techniques that are stopping me, NOT the two tyre brands I have mentioned. I think its taking the piss.

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I suspect the Aussie distributor is just trying to cash in?

    • @todayweride4779
      @todayweride4779 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@crosstrainingenduro yep

  • @eugenesimons3726
    @eugenesimons3726 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What tire should I get 🥹

  • @petercash3614
    @petercash3614 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice tracks

  • @ThePhilippSchepers
    @ThePhilippSchepers ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im very confused now

  • @dmelson7502
    @dmelson7502 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's obvious that you all do not understand the science of tire reviews. I shall now give to you the scientific method...
    If I successfully pull off a maneuver that looks both competent and stylish it is of course me.
    If I attempt to pull off a maneuver and crash and burn in epic fashion, it is of course the tires....

  • @andrewskears6169
    @andrewskears6169 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you classify as “faster riding” ??

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว

      Non- hard enduro, I guess. Mostly third to sixth gear?

  • @eljuano28
    @eljuano28 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Life savings is gone. Retirement is not available for a decade and a half more. Paycheck to gas tank and groceries and rent and insurance and taxes, .. There's hardly enough left to keep the ten year old bike up and running. Steal, cheat, lie, hide, sneak, and if you're kids don't like it, they can pay for their own college. Just ride!

  • @dougiep8464
    @dougiep8464 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I buy tyres by the sort function, cheapest to dearest. In oz the shinko cheaters have been coming up winners lately

  • @SWTrailsAndWheels
    @SWTrailsAndWheels ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Title needs correction?

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Doh! I had stuff prepped for a Motoz review in a few months time after some good testing. Fixed.

  • @Dotconvict12
    @Dotconvict12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everything is Australia is now over priced. Things are getting out of hand.

  • @dmumladze
    @dmumladze 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don’t know about tites but fkn beautifuk forest 👌

  • @postmortemspasm
    @postmortemspasm ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I cannot believe these tyres get good reviews. To me this video proves that low pressure is all you need to have good grip. I could not stand these tyres on my Sherco 300. Absolutely no grip when bike is leaned over any more than like 10 degrees, they have such unpredictable edge grip, especially on the front. The front reminds me very much of the D606 front; it gives way at any moment without warning. Also they've a pathetic amount of tread, I believe they are FIM approved which means a measly 13mm knob height. The knobs are so small and so far apart, I really dont understand why. I put on a pair of Starcross 5 mediums and they were 10 times better. They lasted quite well too. I then put the old Shinko 216 + 525 pair on and they also grip as good as the starcross (but not better), but the 525 seems to be wearing quickly. I think I'll be sticking with motocross tyres after this Shinko pair are done.
    I run 12psi + HD tubes because I cant justify the $400 AUD for tubliss, especially when the only guy in our group who runs tubliss has more trouble and punctures than the rest of us. We do a combination of slow hard enduro and fast open riding and any tyre gets sloppy handling below 10psi at speed anyway.
    Fun fact: the Michelin Enduro rear are labelled as 140 width, but measure about 10mm skinnier than the Michelin Starcross 5 which is labelled a 120. Measured either knob to knob or sidewall to sidewall. Riddle me that.

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a strange situation, I think there have been four viewers now who said they didn't like the Michelin. Is it just different riding styles, terrain and air pressures? Who knows. Ditto for TUbliss, in my limited experience 95% of users are converts and love it. But then you get that occasional situation where there are endless issues. The manufacturer will usually say it's not following the instructions closely. But it could be the occasional manufacturing defect. Almost everyone is my broad riding group is on them now and no problems over about seven years....

  • @ThrottleAddiction
    @ThrottleAddiction ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wrong video title... or clickbait.

    • @crosstrainingenduro
      @crosstrainingenduro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Doh, wrong title. I'll review the Motoz later after a good test but got the files mixed up.