Not to mention that it's right after the massive successes of "Last of Us" and "Fallout," both of which were faithful to their respective IP and are decidedly NOT failing. I mean, how long before studios learn this lesson? If you're going to adapt things from geek/fanboy culture, don't ignore the IP, don't have the project helmed by people who don't like or care about the IP, etc. Hell, you'd think they would've figured this out after a massive Lord of the Rings fanboy was hired to direct the LotR movies and the studio ended up with a series of beloved classics that made a billion dollars. This isn't rocket science.
R rating is not just about special effects of blood and gore, they would of had to cut a lot of scripted and improvised elements from the Borderlands movie. Like what would be left of Deadpool and Wolverine if in post the producer said "We changed our minds, this has to be PG and just cut everything and had to fill the gaps with voice over, rushed CGI and poorly timed screen wipes"
@@johnplaysgames3120 Fallout? Do you understand how long it takes to make movies than it does tv shows? Fallout is no more a good frame of reference than DP&W ... they were all made with in the same period of time.
And that's what I like about the FNAF movie where they were just "screw it let's make this movie for the fans" as they knew if they dumbed it down for general audiences no one would have liked it.
@Riley_Studios and the fans I've talked to tend to be just as confused as Muggles. I went in with almost NO KNOWLEDGE, I tried to watch a couple MatPat videos afterwards, but I'm still lost.
@@megatronjenkins2473 oh MatPat doesn’t really explain the story necessarily he theorises about it. He thought William Afton was the phone guy for so long “which they throw a reference to by making William the actual Phone Guy in the film” So the story is “of the film” William Afton kills 5 kids and stuffs them into the animatronic suits which they go on to possess. He then uses this to experiment on a way for eternal life by killing more and using his Daughter to make sure he doesn’t get caught. So Mike lost his younger brother to William when he was young “we don’t know the full reasoning but we might in the sequel as we think Mikes brother will Posses the Puppet” and finds a connection between the kids possessing the animatronics and his missing brother which is why he continues to go to the restaurant as he wants answers. With Mike getting to close to the truth William comes to finish the job himself but thanks to Abby breaking his facade that he is the animatronics friend and that he was the one who killed them. They turn on him causing the springlocks in the suit to go off. “Springlocks are a tool used in the Golden Freddy/Fredbear and Spring Bonnie suits as a way to turn them from animatronic mode to Costume mode. This is why Golden Freddy is different as they have a different type of suit mixed with their stronger anger they are more powerful and supernatural then the others” so William “dies” but with his agony he officially bonds with the suit officially making him trapped in it and becoming a walking corpse
Having sat in meetings with producers like this many times over the years in my career, I can tell you that it's because they think the public is stupid. They honestly believe it doesn't matter what they put out, enough idiots will eat it up for them to make their money. Then, when it fails, they're surprised, blame it on the public, blame it on the creative team, etc. I once worked in a similar situation - adapting a beloved comic book series into a videogame for a satellite developer attached to a major publisher - and some of the conversations I had with producers were shocking. The lack of knowledge and interest they had regarding the IP combined with their need to call the "creative" shots anyway was honestly mind-blowingly frustrating to every member of the dev team. I ended up leaving halfway through the project when the studio fired one of the writers of the original IP who was writing the game's story for us because the studio head's wife - not a writer - decided she wanted to try her hand at writing. The game, predictably, went on to fail hard and contributed to the studio shutting down a few years later.
@@johnplaysgames3120 I totally believe this. I was about to say that the reason is "contempt for the audience" but you said it better. Look at Harvey Weinstein famously trying to stop Snowpiercer from being released because he thought audiences were too stupid to grasp the social satire. They really are in love with the smell of their own arses.
It sat on a shelf for almost 3 years. They knew it was going to bomb. They felt they had to release it anyway. They had a stinker on their hands so they did anything and everything to try to make it less of a stinker. R-Rating cutting down the potential size of the audience? Make it PG-13, maybe more people will see it. I would bet real money that the original R-rated cut tested so poorly that they started panicking with re-shoots and rating changes. I would love to have seen a film based on Craig Mazin's original script, but even then are you getting Chernobyl/TLoU Mazin or Scary Movie sequels Mazin?
The highest up people in these companies are the most out of touch. They've always only cared about money but that used to be making what people want. Now it means making what Blackrock wants.
From IMDB page, he's just one 1 about 9 producer. I don't know how much of his input is valued but until there's more to be known, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
Not just that, but Randy demanded creative control... ...After Claptrap quit because Randy ripped him off... ...After all the writers of Borderlands 1 and 2 and the Pre-sequel and Tales from the Borderlanda left because he ripped them all off... ...After the directors of all those games left because he ripped them all off... Everyone responsible for making the Borderlands series creative and funny hated this producer for screwing them over. It's like if The Last of Us had Neil Druckmann as the producer but he didn't work on any of the games and can't work with teams in general. 😂
A proper producer or executive producer? Because executive producer credits are often thrown in as symbolic gestures despite having little to no input in the actual production of the film. Stan Lee had executive producer credit on most of the marvel movies despite having no involvement beyond the cameos (which he often wasn't even paid for).
in no universe does the CEO of the game studio not have direct input if he wanted to have input, especially in early development with script treatments. either Randy was onboard with what was created and exercised his usual poor taste, or he didn't care about the final quality of the product. given his history with arguing with people about gearbox games, either position is possible and would have contributed largely to the failure.
Wouldn't have made a difference. The casting of the movie was the problem from day one. Even with an R-rating, I don't think it would have done much better
@stinkertonsden The fact that Kevin Hart was the very first casting announcement put the nail in the coffin before filming even started. I don't think I've spoken to a single Borderlands fan who didn't immediately check out after that. The general consensus was, "Was Terry Crews not available?"
@@MisterZaz I'm not certain of Terry Crews as Roland either I've never even seen him in a serious role before the first person that comes to my mind is the Rock cause Roland is basically just his character Hobbs from Fast and Furious. I could maybe see Terry Crews as Brick though I feel like he'd be frickin hilarious in that role.
Randy blocked me and about 1000 other people for criticism of alien colonial marines. Randy is afraid of being seen as less than a visionary game maker.....he has not made a visionary level game in his entire greesy life he is completely thin skinned.
@@babytiny5807 Not even remotely, but thanks. You should probably stop liking your own comments as well. I also see what you do when you think no one's watching - that's like 3 different sins in one, so stop it!
@@jrod2510 Damn, so smart. My head hurts trying to fathom the depth of your intellectual prowess. Compared to you we are all absolute trashbags. You need a nobel prize. It would be an honor to be blocked by you, for at least you, a GOD of literacy, glanced at an action that I, the filth of the earth comitted. I hope your wisdom and knowledge bleed into the world so that we may all absorb your vast wealth of knowledge and prosper in whole as the Human Race.
With everything that's coming out honestly this is *exactly* hitting the nail on the head. Remember, literally no one but Blandy Bitchford asked for this.
Yep. All us players noticed at least 3 major problems right from the start. An old lady playing Lilith, an old lady playing Tannis, and a tiny man playing Roland. These are factors that can't be ignored or tolerated by gamers. How in the hell did they even make it through audience testing? I'm not too happy with their choice for Tina either. I haven't watched it yet, but I'm betting she didn't do anything special to make up for not looking anything like Tina or being the correct age.
@@TRVPHAUS the audience they edited the movie to appeal to... referring to the editors who edited the movie to appeal to a certain audience🤣 funny how everyone else liking and replying understood perfectly but we got Trvphaus with his English degree on a high horse in the TH-cam comment section
Pitchford does NOT take criticism well at all and all that talk about "Growing from it" is bull. Does he think we all forgot the tantrum and gaslighting he tried to do with Aliens Colonial Marines?
@@dyingstar24 Right? like a part of me kind of understand cause you don't necessarily want to hear about people shitting all over something you worked on, but acting like that doesn't do you any favors either. He exudes "nice guy" energy to me.
@@Chrio666 claptraps VA would probably disagree with that last sentence. Oh! And let's not forget the cp flash drive! Or the blocking literally everyone that criticized any of the stuff he worked on... Or allowing the hive level to exist in Duke Nukem Forever... Yeah sorry, but I look at Randy and the way he presents himself onstage and it's cringeworthy at best and "Im about ready to book an express flight to this show and punch him in the face, please Randy just shut up, move on, and retire already" at worst...
"What market we're aiming for" This is why studios are failing so much over the last decade or so. Borderlands had a fanbase, why would they not market to the fans?
Pandora is a place where people say hello by shooting each other, with noticeable questlines being: bolstering a cult till you accidentally murder your way to its new god, kidnapped and slowly torture someone till they admit that they are the reason why one of main characters parents are dead, aid a assisted suicide and acknowledge you killed a guy’s daughter, watch as the corpse of one of your friends and pets is paraded around at your expense, and forcibly wipe someone’s mind and personality as they plead for you to stop because you don’t have time to actually let them copy themselves. Expecting to dumb that down for children was a complete fool’s errand. That’ll be like making a movie about ezrio aldatoire, but all know about him is that he’s a dude that wears white and likes parkour.
Randy Pitchford has a producer credit on the film... he had input and he very loudly and proudly touted the miscast cast as his picks along with a "look what i did" type of energy on the behind the scenes sneak peak... so now he has to deal with those choices that he made or at the very least allowed to happen
Why would you give a violent, gory video game a kid friendly movie?, that would be like turning Mortal Kombat into Sesame Street... this fatality is bought to you by the letter H 🙄😒
I don’t know dude. Could you imagine if Big Bird finally snapped and choke slammed Scorpion into the ground and pecked his head into pulp? Or if Oscar the Grouch pulled Sub Zero’s upper body into his can and gore flew out before he attached the legs to the can and proceeded to dance? Or if Elmo called in Mr Noodle after dazing Mileena where he would put an egg beater into the eyes because he is silly? Imagine the possibilities!!!!!
I mean but the R rating was not the only issue? I hope you understand that. If the R rating was there but nothing else changed in the movie? Except gore and violence would that just fix the other big issues too? Don't think so.
Tannis isn't the correct age and doesn't even have the correct hair color, Lilith is some weird lady, claptrap doesn't even sound like claptrap. KEVIN HART IS ROLAND. Roland is 5'11 not a midget and Krieg is some skinny dude. They're not even the same characters as in the game, it's barely a borderlands movie.
On top of that, I'm confused. Where is tinas Bandit mask, and why does she have bunny ears? If this is before borderlands 2, which is where roland dies, she doesn't get those until after roland is dead in Borderlands 3 couldn't even make a solid Tina?
@@jeremyhall2727 I haven’t seen it, I refuse to sour the otherwise good name of Borderlands, but I imagine you mean they left out the fact that in Borderlands there are literally millions of different guns?
@@steveperry2321 I avoided promo stuff so I knew very little until I heard rumours, watched a couple reviews and knew 13 years in the making this film was doomed
If you're going to invest $150 million dollars into an adaptation of popular IP, maybe hire people who know/care about the IP, stay faithful to the IP, etc. If you don't, I don't think you get to be surprised (or angry) when you lose your money. Tbh, I think whoever called the shots on this is in "deserves to lose their job bc they make poor decisions and shouldn't be trusted with large sums of investor money" territory.
"Shockingly low scores" ... uh, you cast Kevin Hart as Roland, a voice that wasnt Claptraps and a girl who clearly knows nothing about Ashly Burch & Tiny Tina.
@@jrod2510 Idk anything about Borderlands, but seeing the excessive amount of CGI, the fact that the movie was announced and came out in such a short amount of time, tripled with the fact that a bunch of A listed actors were put in the movie as a main cast, including Kevin Heart, who hasn’t done a decent lead role in a movie in years- I mean I could go on about how this is also a cash grab and probably a terrible representation of the source material- lol I’m just done here
@@JohnSmith-ip6kc Well, it was going to have to be a CGI fest considering the games but fine if done correctly. Nothing quick about the money considering all the delays and changes. Eli Roth didnt even finish the movie, there were a bunch of reshoots and the gore cuts from R to PG-13. I had a bad feeling from the start and it never got better.
Ikr? If you're not going to appeal to the fans who made the original IP popular, what are you even doing? By going rogue, you then have to rely on drawing in a bunch of randos who don't care about the IP and are hearing nothing but bad buzz about it online from the fans of the IP. It's just a bad way to do business and a bad way to spend $150 million.
It makes me laugh when Hollywood tries to "fix" video game stories. Video games are bigger than Hollywood at this point. Theaters are empty most of the time. The people in Hollywood should be taking notes on how a video game tells a story.
This is the exact problem: Most of Hollywood just does not respect videogames. They look down on the medium when trying to adapt it. The original run of the MCU (well, mostly; there's a reason no one talks about solo Hulk) and films like the Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy worked because the creators behind those movies finally decided to treat comic books as a legitimate medium worthy of respect on equal footing. People like the Mario and Sonic movies, and Detective Pikachu, because they were equally free of pretentiousness and focused more on celebrating the fun aspects of those games.
Can anyone name a movie with Kevin Hart in it which is not mediocre at best. Add the even more complex history of bad movies based on video games plus horrible casting choices , this movie had close to zero chance of success.
I'm not a fan of Kevin Hart's genre of movies but I know there are plenty of people who like him. That being said, those people like him because of his comedy. Hiring him to play a stoic character and writing him into this weird No Man's Land between not as jokey as a Kevin Hart comedy yet too jokey for the character he's playing is just a hard fumble on the part of the people who made this movie.
Yet ANOTHER example of how not to do a videogame movie, because those at the top clearly have no clue. Details in this look legit, fair enough, but they completely failed to capture the spirit of it, the tone is NOTHING like the games so what the hell is the point, and were no doubt only able to get the movie greenlit if they had "big names" behind it. Which doesn't always work - just because you have the legendary Cate and Jamie Lee, Jack Black and Kevin Hart (1000% only because they worked together in the past), doesn't mean it'll do well. The problem was that the minute it was revealed, most were eye-rolling off the cast alone. Kevin Hart is one of the worst casting decisions I can remember in a long time, Cate is a BAFFLING one and tarnishes her image given her amazing past roles. Just...clearly no idea, throwing money at stars to push a new IP and it's backfired. Shame, because we want more gamer movies, but this is NOT the way to do it.
They could've done alot with this movie. A re-telling of Bl1, BL2, or even a sequel to BL 3 as like a spinoff that strengthens the weaker characters introduced in BL3. Just what the nuts happened. Oh and SHOULD'VE BEEN ANIMATED
A better choice for casting would be: Terry Crews or Idris Elba as Roland Karen Gillian as Lilith Rachel Brosnahan as Tannis The original Claptrap VA as claptrap Joey King as Tiny Tina And whoever voiced the Psycho in BL2 as the Psycho
I think Joey King as Tiny Tina is too old. Part of the comedy of Tina is how dangerous and crazy she is despite being a child. I think Maybe Tom Hardy could've made a good Krieg if he bulked up for the role a bit. He does good with masked/crazy characters. The rest of the dream cast you mentioned is pretty awesome tho.
@@Saikopath8317 thanks! I agree about Joey King. It'll be tough to find someone for that particular role lol. And yes I think Tom hardy would work too.
Film makers not wanting to respect source material is just folks with less creativity using someone else's skin to sell their own bad ideas. Halo TV Show, Borderlands, so many films over the years. People who wouldn't get their story made, so steal the investment in something successful. It's so weird and so transparent.
Sonic movie writers: listens to the fans Sonic fans: watches movie, and enjoys it Sonic Movie writers get multiple awards for their movie Borderlands movie Writers: flip the fans off and tell them the writers are right Borderlands fans hate and dont watch movie Borderlands Movie writers :O the lesson here is, be more like the Sonic movie writers lol
LMAO BS, Bitchford loves to block critics. People that told him putting Borderlands 3 on Epic would result in a failure. Beside it having a HORRIBLE story and cast of characters, it was on of the worst performing in the series. He blocked TONS of people for criticizing that move. That is what he does. He doesn't thrive off of it, he is literally afraid of it and gets hostile!
@@jaketheberge1970it didn't bomb it made twice as much as BL2. It was a fun game. The only issue was the baddies weren't as interesting as handsome jack.
You're being EXTREMELY generous calling Randy Pitchford the creator of Borderlands. In reality, he didn't create anything. He was the CEO of the company that produced the game and he performed a voice role. Other than that, his role was largely making public appearances in crazy sport coats, performing questionable magic tricks, fighting with people online, and taking credit for other people's work. If you want to talk creators, you'll need to mention Matthew Armstrong and Mikey Neumann (Catch a ride!!!).
I agree because at least animated they could use the original voice actors to voice their in game characters for the film to attract fans of the game to watch the film and in terms of story they could focus on bl1 following the same plot points and even take a opportunity to introduce a new final battle and ending with it being the new canon ending for the game story since from what I remember a lot of people didn’t like the original final battle and ending when compared to the other games in the series
It shoulda been animated in a semi similar way to how into the Spider-verse was. A more stylized presentation that compliments the quirky aspects of Borderlands. These live action adaptations just come across as bad cosplay in comparison to the source material.
@@justinmiller2132 not always though, fallout works super well in live action but that's because they go for realism in the games so it translates well, not with a game that's done in a super unique cell shaded style
Okay Hollywood you need to listen if you're going to make a movie from the video game and the video game is rated M that means it only makes sense to make the movie rated R anything less than R is going to be a slap in the face to all the games fans
Making it r rated is no guarantee of Success. Mortal Kombat 1995 did very well despite its pg 13 rating. Mk 2021 had an r rating and was not as successful, if it didn't completely bomb (I couldn't find a clear answer).
They're still operating off the old-fashioned idea that a general movie-going audience is much larger than the fanbase of any game, so, as long as you make a movie that a bunch of randos who've never played the game want to see, you can just ignore the small percentage of the audience made up of grumbling fanboys. The lesson they haven't learned is that, while the fans of any given IP are a small percentage of the movie-going public, they're also the ones who set the tone of the conversation online and that buzz either boosts the desire of non-fans to go see it or puts the stink on the movie so that more people stay away. The days of being able to just slap an IP's title on something to exploit the name and grabbing piles of cash are over. The worst part is that it doesn't cost them any more to be faithful to an IP than to go rogue. That's literally a free decision. If you were in charge of adapting an IP and investing $150 million of investor money, WHY would you ever choose to be like, "Meh, let's just use the name of this beloved thing but then do our own thing with it. Who cares about the fans who made the IP successful?" Any exec who is still making that decision in 2024 should be handed a cardboard box and told to pack up their office bc it shows an inability to understand the state of the business.
@@jaketheberge1970I didn't say making it R would guarantee success I said making it anything but R it doesn't make sense if you want the existing fan base to watch it
@@johnplaysgames3120yeah that's kind of what I'm talking about besides another general audience might for might not be bigger than the fan base in numbers they should realize at this point that all publicity is not good publicity.. but once the movie is released people are going to start putting in their two cents and talking about how bad it is to them which is going to result in fewer tickets when people look into the movie... Like take Deadpool for example do you think it would be nearly as successful as it is if Ryan Reynolds let Disney think it's claws into it and sink it to a PG-13?
I own all the games. I love playing them with my wife. They, yet again took a good story and tried to personalize it with their flavor, a flavor the didn't make the game or write the story. Writers need to stop trying to make someone else's story theirs. Because it just isn't.
The fact that Greasy Pitchford has the nerve to say this film was good, when he was the producer of it, what kind of crap is he smoking and where can I get some? Goddamn cause Greaseford sure as hell should be given some legitimate criticism over this film, but he's blocking all of it it seems, and you wonder why Borderlands 2 was the absolute peak of the series
When I first heard the idea that someone was going to make a Borderlands movie, I was concerned. I think Borderlands works best as an interactive video game. The whole looter-shooter mechanic is the main draw, especially in BL3 which has a pretty awful story. Besides, it's not like BL1 and BL2 are brilliant pieces of storytelling either, but it's passable in a game where the main focus is the gameplay, after all. Not much gameplay in a movie. It's kind of like when they tried making the Doom movie. Doom is a fun series of shooter games, but the story is paper thin and it always was. It's enough for a game, but there is very little to grab onto for a movie. Video games with high story focus and lots of world building are much better basis for making other kinds of media. So, story-driven RPGs will always be better than pure action games or other genres where the pure gameplay loop is 99% of the draw. Then ofcourse, add terrible casting, terrible screenplay and a PG13-rating for a gory video game adaptation, and you are guaranteed to flop.
I remember that Randy blocked me on Twitter because at the time, people were voicing their concerns for the 3rd game and some of the not so good things going on behind the scenes and I asked him how he was going to respond and that he couldn't magic trick his way out of it
I'm 40, but I can mind as a child loving 18 rated films. The Terminator, Alien, Aliens, Robocop etc. We all loved these films we were too young tae watch. When I was 12, I bought the VHS of Aliens in a John Menzies store. Got side eyed by the staff ("You sure you're 18?"), but they really didn't care and sold it tae me. Kids love the ultraviolence in movies.
I kind of understand the concept of his Beatles comparison, but with that, i also get how it misses the point. Each song a band writes isn't meant to be a number one song: it's meant to make an album. And a 25% hit rate? The Beatles broke up in 1970. By that time, they had 11 #1 albums. The only ones that weren't were: An import, a compilation, and Yellow Submarine (#3). So his point is not on the mark and also very wrong. If Randy is saying "Each song isn't a number one hit" then a better comparison would be that a scene in a movie didn't quite land, but not every song on an album is a banger. A person can enjoy an album AND have a track or two they skip over. The same with TV series such as The Fly episode of Breaking Bad. I get that we aren't going to get an honest answer from him with how much he sank into the project, but The Beatles?!
This is my main gripe with Randy Pitchford. He runs around acting like he single-handedly created the game, but a lot of the credit for the success of BL1 and BL2 goes to the people who worked for him.
@@theclaybeartravels3596 You can blame gamers partially for stuff like that. So many gamers give most of the credit or even all of it to INDIVIDUALS for entire series that are successful.
I was wishing and praying for a Bioshock movie ever since the first game came out. But seeing how Hollywood butchered this and theres been how many failed attempts at Resident Evil... I think were good without a Bioshock movie.
Which 90’s movie did he direct again? I *think* he directed either Robocop or Total Recall. Either way, I agree that with him directing this, it *may* have been better, certainly gorier.
Greasy Randy being Greasy Randy. “I love a good joke I mean, for f**k sake I own the Duke nukem franchise”. He made a joke and doesn’t like that people are laughing at it.
I love that so many people see the same thing I see with Randy, lol. Huge creepy uncle vibes, the type that has like a closet full of dirty magazines or smt😂
Hart as Roland. That stopped me dead in my tracks. And the very reason I will not be watching this. I'd rather watch fucking Tusk again, then another movie with Kevin's annoying ass
Damn Bobby Lee was in it? That sucks, i like Bobby lol. He needs a good flick to be in. I know he likes games so someone needs to put him in a good gaming movie. Mario or Fallout or something lol
My 12 year old gen alpha daughter watched this movie and thought it was dumb, I agreed. Who was this movie made for? Cause as a Borderlands fan, it for sure wasn't made for me.
All the characters are cast absolutely wrong, and that visceral approach is what made borderlands. Not having it is like having a saw movie without the traps.
I have two thoughts in my head (only) 1. James Gunn would’ve made a great director for borderlands especially character interactions and introductions and 2. It needs an r rating (NEEDS!!!)
Ironic considering it looks like they were going for a Guardians style movie. They ripped Gunn off in the most broad strokes and couldn't nail his actual style.
As someone who loves the entire Borderlands game series, I can honestly say as soon as I saw the cast and first trailer I knew it was gonna be a flop. It not being rated R was just wack and no Handsome Jack was the biggest let down.
Gearbox already set the standard naming convention; Gory, vulgar, and over the top? Borderlands. Scaled back for a wider audience? Wonderlands. The name of the film alone implies they are going for it.
Deadpool and Wolverine versus borderlands. 54 million this weekend versus just around 10 Mill. One movie shows right way to do things and other shows why you should not be afraid to go all out.
Twisted Metal was made for TV, that show is amazing and bloody. This is what happens when they try to make a movie for broad appeal... too bad it appeals to no one.
The audacity to want to sell this to children... Despicable!! And the parents who would let their children watch this, should never be considered parents
That entire fiasco with writers wanting to "do their own thing" without looking at the source material is basically cultural appropriation but against gamer culture.
Who could have possibly predicted that a borderlands movie featuring A list actors, produced by one of the guys responsible for Morbius, would flop? Gee what a surprise
I could write a small essay on what I think is wrong with the movie based just on trailers and reviews. It was doomed years ago, and now Hollywood will see the property as tainted and not touch it for 25+ years.
imagine how perfect it would be if they made a sequel, called it borderlands 2, and righted all the wrongs of this film. i want so badly for the people who made this movie to get a second shot and have full creative freedom.
Not seen it, probably won't because I am sick to death of these game adaptations being made and they never follow the massive amount of source material from a very successful franchise! So what, didn't any of them including the actors play any Borderlands games period? Please for the love of all that's sacred understand the source material your given and write the screenplay based on it's canon or your just another studio pumping out garbage because you refuse to even play the bloody games or follow any of its narrative!
Thinking about this movie, I‘m kind of surprised that they didn’t film a couple of scenes to make people believe that they actually tried to make a proper adaptation. Instead their marketing is pretty clear on this not wanting to attract any Borderlands fans. For once I‘m amazed how honest Hollywood is and I do appreciate it to know early on that I don’t have to care about a movie.
My beef was that film was not just a retelling of Borderlands 1. All 4 on bus, arrive on Fyrestone, Travel to New Haven, Defeat Bandet Lord Krom, Defeat Bandit Lord Flynt, Defeat Atlas HQ (Master Cloud), chase Commandant Steele to Vault, Kill the "Destroyer", Handsome Jack end credit.
When the article released, I think 2019, and part of the plot detail was that tiny Tina was gonna be the human embodiment of the vault key. I knew this movie was gonna suck. The dude who made it clearly does not understand borderlands. I was confused AF about the cast in choices, and the characters that were featured. Where’s Brick & Mordecai? Why 2 characters from the second game, one of them being a DLC character? Idris Elba would’ve been a better choice for Roland then Kevin Hart. If not him literally, anybody else would’ve been better than Kevin Hart. The rest of the cast he was also extremely confusing especially for a Lilith’s & Tannis. This really feels like a bad video game movie that was common in the 90s/early 2000s
It’s a shame to watch a franchise that I use to love be completely destroyed over the past several years, from Borderlands 3 to this it’s such a travesty.
Once I saw they had two seniors citizens playing female characters in their 20s and 30s, not to mention Kevin Hart as Rowland, I knew it was going to be a dumpster fire. Whoever thought up this mess has to be completely disconnected from reality.
I don't think I'd like this any more with over the top violence, but I bet the reason was some dumb executive going "It's a video game! It's for kids!".
I think it's more that they're still operating on the old-fashioned idea that "Hey, we're spending $150 million, we need to open this up to a larger audience by making it kid-friendly so we can maximize the amount we make." Of course, this idea is a relic from the world before Deadpool, Fallout, Last Of Us, etc. And, as we see with this opening weekend, if making it kid-friendly is not in keeping with the IP, trying to make it kid-friendly can backfire spectacularly. Really, though, they were already F'd from the jump because of the egregious miscasting (and miswriting) of the characters. Making it R-rated wouldn't have fixed that. Even casting that could've worked was let down by the writing. Look at the character of Claptrap. One thing that was super clear from the writing of the movie is that they didn't understand what it is that fans loved about Claptrap. They were just like, "Um... it's because he dances, right? Make him dance again!"
The fact that its Pg13 right after the success of Deadpool and Wolverine makes it even more embarassing.
Not to mention that it's right after the massive successes of "Last of Us" and "Fallout," both of which were faithful to their respective IP and are decidedly NOT failing. I mean, how long before studios learn this lesson? If you're going to adapt things from geek/fanboy culture, don't ignore the IP, don't have the project helmed by people who don't like or care about the IP, etc. Hell, you'd think they would've figured this out after a massive Lord of the Rings fanboy was hired to direct the LotR movies and the studio ended up with a series of beloved classics that made a billion dollars. This isn't rocket science.
@@johnplaysgames3120 the movie was made in 2021 and went through tons of rewrites and reshoots. the original writer demanded his name be taken off
R rating is not just about special effects of blood and gore, they would of had to cut a lot of scripted and improvised elements from the Borderlands movie.
Like what would be left of Deadpool and Wolverine if in post the producer said "We changed our minds, this has to be PG and just cut everything and had to fill the gaps with voice over, rushed CGI and poorly timed screen wipes"
@@johnplaysgames3120 Fallout? Do you understand how long it takes to make movies than it does tv shows? Fallout is no more a good frame of reference than DP&W ... they were all made with in the same period of time.
yep the movie should have been way more gruesome.
As soon as they announced Kevin Hart as Roland I lost interest. Terrible casting choice
The main cast was a miscast.
As bad as Cate Blanchett as Lillith, WTF?!?
Replacing ClapTrap with Jack Black turned me off from seeing the film.
They absolutely could and should have stuck with the original VA for that role.
@@joels5150 you mean the 2nd VA? because the original VA was blacklisted from Gearbox by Randy Pitchford.
Not a single correct casting in any of the roles sealed it's fate
“A film for everyone is a film for no one.” When will Hollywood understand this?
And that's what I like about the FNAF movie where they were just "screw it let's make this movie for the fans" as they knew if they dumbed it down for general audiences no one would have liked it.
when they're face is in the dirt in bankruptcy.
@Riley_Studios and the fans I've talked to tend to be just as confused as Muggles. I went in with almost NO KNOWLEDGE, I tried to watch a couple MatPat videos afterwards, but I'm still lost.
@@megatronjenkins2473 oh MatPat doesn’t really explain the story necessarily he theorises about it. He thought William Afton was the phone guy for so long “which they throw a reference to by making William the actual Phone Guy in the film”
So the story is “of the film” William Afton kills 5 kids and stuffs them into the animatronic suits which they go on to possess.
He then uses this to experiment on a way for eternal life by killing more and using his Daughter to make sure he doesn’t get caught.
So Mike lost his younger brother to William when he was young “we don’t know the full reasoning but we might in the sequel as we think Mikes brother will Posses the Puppet” and finds a connection between the kids possessing the animatronics and his missing brother which is why he continues to go to the restaurant as he wants answers. With Mike getting to close to the truth William comes to finish the job himself but thanks to Abby breaking his facade that he is the animatronics friend and that he was the one who killed them. They turn on him causing the springlocks in the suit to go off. “Springlocks are a tool used in the Golden Freddy/Fredbear and Spring Bonnie suits as a way to turn them from animatronic mode to Costume mode. This is why Golden Freddy is different as they have a different type of suit mixed with their stronger anger they are more powerful and supernatural then the others” so William “dies” but with his agony he officially bonds with the suit officially making him trapped in it and becoming a walking corpse
@Riley_Studios (head spins in Decepticon) thanks, I think!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I still find it incredible that we, the public, generally know when a movie is going to bomb, yet movie ppl don't.
Having sat in meetings with producers like this many times over the years in my career, I can tell you that it's because they think the public is stupid. They honestly believe it doesn't matter what they put out, enough idiots will eat it up for them to make their money. Then, when it fails, they're surprised, blame it on the public, blame it on the creative team, etc.
I once worked in a similar situation - adapting a beloved comic book series into a videogame for a satellite developer attached to a major publisher - and some of the conversations I had with producers were shocking. The lack of knowledge and interest they had regarding the IP combined with their need to call the "creative" shots anyway was honestly mind-blowingly frustrating to every member of the dev team. I ended up leaving halfway through the project when the studio fired one of the writers of the original IP who was writing the game's story for us because the studio head's wife - not a writer - decided she wanted to try her hand at writing. The game, predictably, went on to fail hard and contributed to the studio shutting down a few years later.
@@johnplaysgames3120 I totally believe this. I was about to say that the reason is "contempt for the audience" but you said it better. Look at Harvey Weinstein famously trying to stop Snowpiercer from being released because he thought audiences were too stupid to grasp the social satire. They really are in love with the smell of their own arses.
It sat on a shelf for almost 3 years. They knew it was going to bomb. They felt they had to release it anyway. They had a stinker on their hands so they did anything and everything to try to make it less of a stinker. R-Rating cutting down the potential size of the audience? Make it PG-13, maybe more people will see it. I would bet real money that the original R-rated cut tested so poorly that they started panicking with re-shoots and rating changes. I would love to have seen a film based on Craig Mazin's original script, but even then are you getting Chernobyl/TLoU Mazin or Scary Movie sequels Mazin?
The highest up people in these companies are the most out of touch. They've always only cared about money but that used to be making what people want. Now it means making what Blackrock wants.
They knew it was going to bomb which is why they are now adjusting the ledgers to make it lose loadsamoney for taxes.
randy is a producer for this movie
he has direct input to this movie
he doesnt get out of criticism on this movie
From IMDB page, he's just one 1 about 9 producer. I don't know how much of his input is valued but until there's more to be known, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
Not just that, but Randy demanded creative control...
...After Claptrap quit because Randy ripped him off...
...After all the writers of Borderlands 1 and 2 and the Pre-sequel and Tales from the Borderlanda left because he ripped them all off...
...After the directors of all those games left because he ripped them all off...
Everyone responsible for making the Borderlands series creative and funny hated this producer for screwing them over.
It's like if The Last of Us had Neil Druckmann as the producer but he didn't work on any of the games and can't work with teams in general. 😂
A proper producer or executive producer? Because executive producer credits are often thrown in as symbolic gestures despite having little to no input in the actual production of the film. Stan Lee had executive producer credit on most of the marvel movies despite having no involvement beyond the cameos (which he often wasn't even paid for).
He’s the one in charge. Anyone else to blame was in their position because of him. And I wish he was an aberration but he’s the rule
in no universe does the CEO of the game studio not have direct input if he wanted to have input, especially in early development with script treatments.
either Randy was onboard with what was created and exercised his usual poor taste, or he didn't care about the final quality of the product.
given his history with arguing with people about gearbox games, either position is possible and would have contributed largely to the failure.
Wouldn't have made a difference. The casting of the movie was the problem from day one. Even with an R-rating, I don't think it would have done much better
Same R doesn't suddenly make something better if the writing is bad
Agreed. Jack Black could do Claptrap decently enough but Cait Blanchet? Kevin Hart? I just...
@stinkertonsden The fact that Kevin Hart was the very first casting announcement put the nail in the coffin before filming even started. I don't think I've spoken to a single Borderlands fan who didn't immediately check out after that. The general consensus was, "Was Terry Crews not available?"
@@MisterZaz I'm not certain of Terry Crews as Roland either I've never even seen him in a serious role before the first person that comes to my mind is the Rock cause Roland is basically just his character Hobbs from Fast and Furious.
I could maybe see Terry Crews as Brick though I feel like he'd be frickin hilarious in that role.
Wouldn't of made a difference with any rating. gamers are picky as hell especially with the games they grew up playing.
Randy blocked me and about 1000 other people for criticism of alien colonial marines. Randy is afraid of being seen as less than a visionary game maker.....he has not made a visionary level game in his entire greesy life he is completely thin skinned.
That's not grease. Remember his famous kneeling down toilet photo?
I mean, based on your poor spelling and punctuation I would have blocked you too despite any validity to your point.
@@jrod2510 You are the smartest man to ever walk this dog gone earth. So much better than anyone else
@@babytiny5807 Not even remotely, but thanks. You should probably stop liking your own comments as well. I also see what you do when you think no one's watching - that's like 3 different sins in one, so stop it!
@@jrod2510 Damn, so smart. My head hurts trying to fathom the depth of your intellectual prowess. Compared to you we are all absolute trashbags. You need a nobel prize. It would be an honor to be blocked by you, for at least you, a GOD of literacy, glanced at an action that I, the filth of the earth comitted. I hope your wisdom and knowledge bleed into the world so that we may all absorb your vast wealth of knowledge and prosper in whole as the Human Race.
This film was made exclusively for the insufferable, child-brained magician CEO of Gearbox and no-one else.
With everything that's coming out honestly this is *exactly* hitting the nail on the head. Remember, literally no one but Blandy Bitchford asked for this.
It's funny because the audience they edited the movie to appeal to has probably never touched any of the games
this movie was definitely made for none players
Yep. All us players noticed at least 3 major problems right from the start. An old lady playing Lilith, an old lady playing Tannis, and a tiny man playing Roland. These are factors that can't be ignored or tolerated by gamers. How in the hell did they even make it through audience testing? I'm not too happy with their choice for Tina either. I haven't watched it yet, but I'm betting she didn't do anything special to make up for not looking anything like Tina or being the correct age.
They obviously didn't touch the movie either.
@@TRVPHAUS yeah when you take what I said out of context 🤣
@@TRVPHAUS the audience they edited the movie to appeal to... referring to the editors who edited the movie to appeal to a certain audience🤣 funny how everyone else liking and replying understood perfectly but we got Trvphaus with his English degree on a high horse in the TH-cam comment section
Pitchford does NOT take criticism well at all and all that talk about "Growing from it" is bull. Does he think we all forgot the tantrum and gaslighting he tried to do with Aliens Colonial Marines?
Not to mention the whole ordeal with bl3 and the threats to make it only available for egs?
@@dyingstar24 Right? like a part of me kind of understand cause you don't necessarily want to hear about people shitting all over something you worked on, but acting like that doesn't do you any favors either. He exudes "nice guy" energy to me.
@@Chrio666 claptraps VA would probably disagree with that last sentence.
Oh! And let's not forget the cp flash drive! Or the blocking literally everyone that criticized any of the stuff he worked on... Or allowing the hive level to exist in Duke Nukem Forever... Yeah sorry, but I look at Randy and the way he presents himself onstage and it's cringeworthy at best and "Im about ready to book an express flight to this show and punch him in the face, please Randy just shut up, move on, and retire already" at worst...
@@dyingstar24"nice guy energy" is a term used for toxic narcissists who pretend to be "nice guys" when in public.
@@Chrio666 Or the whole flash drive scenario? Or the "magic" show situation
"What market we're aiming for"
This is why studios are failing so much over the last decade or so. Borderlands had a fanbase, why would they not market to the fans?
Everyone saw it coming cz the people who made it didn't care about the game they just wanted to make money over a big game IP🤷🏼♂️
And rightfully, they won't, itll be a box office bomb in addition to being critically panned
Given that it's made -100 million at Opening and across the weekend, I would say task failed successfully.
Hate those types of people.
That part!
This hopefully adds to the reasons why you need films of games to actually use the games for inspiration
Pandora is a place where people say hello by shooting each other, with noticeable questlines being: bolstering a cult till you accidentally murder your way to its new god, kidnapped and slowly torture someone till they admit that they are the reason why one of main characters parents are dead, aid a assisted suicide and acknowledge you killed a guy’s daughter, watch as the corpse of one of your friends and pets is paraded around at your expense, and forcibly wipe someone’s mind and personality as they plead for you to stop because you don’t have time to actually let them copy themselves. Expecting to dumb that down for children was a complete fool’s errand.
That’ll be like making a movie about ezrio aldatoire, but all know about him is that he’s a dude that wears white and likes parkour.
It's Ezio Auditorie but I'm with you on that.
@@Paulito941It's Azio Auditara, but i'm also with you.
@ashuraslegacy6229 lol no it isn't
Randy Pitchford has a producer credit on the film... he had input and he very loudly and proudly touted the miscast cast as his picks along with a "look what i did" type of energy on the behind the scenes sneak peak... so now he has to deal with those choices that he made or at the very least allowed to happen
This should have been an R rated movie, everyone was miscast, and where the hell is Brick and Mordecai?
Saving them for the sequel.
@@maynardperalta3188 Well I guess its a good thing there won't be a sequel, they won't have a chance to screw them up too.
Why would you give a violent, gory video game a kid friendly movie?, that would be like turning Mortal Kombat into Sesame Street... this fatality is bought to you by the letter H 🙄😒
The first 2 MK movies were PG-13. So... not the best comparison.
And have you seen them, they’re both as bad as borderlands, the first is definitely worse.
I don’t know dude. Could you imagine if Big Bird finally snapped and choke slammed Scorpion into the ground and pecked his head into pulp?
Or if Oscar the Grouch pulled Sub Zero’s upper body into his can and gore flew out before he attached the legs to the can and proceeded to dance?
Or if Elmo called in Mr Noodle after dazing Mileena where he would put an egg beater into the eyes because he is silly?
Imagine the possibilities!!!!!
@@alexandriiaaa8326 nothing is as bad as Borderlands.
@@mw9688 that would be awesome 🤣🤣🤣
The film industry as a whole need to understand that we want r rated films and they need to stop making everything for kids when its not suppose to be
Imagine if they had tried to nerf deadpool down to PG-13
You mean the edgy video game isn’t for teenagers? It’s like wanting Star Wars and marvel to be made for adults when it’s ALWAYS been for kids
@@Nick-cs4octhe games literally Rated M…….
I mean but the R rating was not the only issue? I hope you understand that. If the R rating was there but nothing else changed in the movie? Except gore and violence would that just fix the other big issues too? Don't think so.
@@Nick-cs4oc Since when do kids understand galactic politics?
Tannis isn't the correct age and doesn't even have the correct hair color, Lilith is some weird lady, claptrap doesn't even sound like claptrap. KEVIN HART IS ROLAND. Roland is 5'11 not a midget and Krieg is some skinny dude. They're not even the same characters as in the game, it's barely a borderlands movie.
On top of that, I'm confused. Where is tinas Bandit mask, and why does she have bunny ears? If this is before borderlands 2, which is where roland dies, she doesn't get those until after roland is dead in Borderlands 3 couldn't even make a solid Tina?
@@zerasth3numb3r88They couldn't decide if they wanted to adapt Borderlands 2 or Borderlands 3 Tiny Tina
@ManuMora199 the problem is borderlands 3 tiny tina means no roland so they'd rather do whatever they want instead of actually following the story
Wolverine is a short king and yet Hugh Jackman is a big boy. Picking and choosing?? No way, not on my internet!
@@ManuMora199 Couldn't decide on BL2 or 3 but the movie is set in BL1. How confused was this
The biggest issue with Borderlands was casting, but lack of gore was a big miss too.
That & all the cool weapons
@@jeremyhall2727 I haven’t seen it, I refuse to sour the otherwise good name of Borderlands, but I imagine you mean they left out the fact that in Borderlands there are literally millions of different guns?
Casting and throwing established lore right out the windows were my first 2 issues from the start of promo crap
@@steveperry2321 I avoided promo stuff so I knew very little until I heard rumours, watched a couple reviews and knew 13 years in the making this film was doomed
If you're going to invest $150 million dollars into an adaptation of popular IP, maybe hire people who know/care about the IP, stay faithful to the IP, etc. If you don't, I don't think you get to be surprised (or angry) when you lose your money. Tbh, I think whoever called the shots on this is in "deserves to lose their job bc they make poor decisions and shouldn't be trusted with large sums of investor money" territory.
“Shockingly low scores”… did you see how stupid the trailer was?
"Shockingly low scores" ... uh, you cast Kevin Hart as Roland, a voice that wasnt Claptraps and a girl who clearly knows nothing about Ashly Burch & Tiny Tina.
@@jrod2510 Idk anything about Borderlands, but seeing the excessive amount of CGI, the fact that the movie was announced and came out in such a short amount of time, tripled with the fact that a bunch of A listed actors were put in the movie as a main cast, including Kevin Heart, who hasn’t done a decent lead role in a movie in years- I mean I could go on about how this is also a cash grab and probably a terrible representation of the source material- lol I’m just done here
@@JohnSmith-ip6kc Well, it was going to have to be a CGI fest considering the games but fine if done correctly. Nothing quick about the money considering all the delays and changes. Eli Roth didnt even finish the movie, there were a bunch of reshoots and the gore cuts from R to PG-13. I had a bad feeling from the start and it never got better.
they tried to appeal to everyone and ended up apealing to almost nobody
Ikr? If you're not going to appeal to the fans who made the original IP popular, what are you even doing? By going rogue, you then have to rely on drawing in a bunch of randos who don't care about the IP and are hearing nothing but bad buzz about it online from the fans of the IP. It's just a bad way to do business and a bad way to spend $150 million.
Aesop called it a few millennia ago: "Please all and you will please none."
A tale as old as time.
They tried to appeal to "modern audience"
@@gazzman6547 that was a big mistake
Is anyone buying Randy Pitchford’s comments? No.
Maybe relook at the comments@@megatronjenkins2473
No more than they are buying tickets.
Not for a second...fact is he's seeing this project crash and burn and he hates that.
It makes me laugh when Hollywood tries to "fix" video game stories. Video games are bigger than Hollywood at this point. Theaters are empty most of the time. The people in Hollywood should be taking notes on how a video game tells a story.
This is the exact problem: Most of Hollywood just does not respect videogames. They look down on the medium when trying to adapt it. The original run of the MCU (well, mostly; there's a reason no one talks about solo Hulk) and films like the Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy worked because the creators behind those movies finally decided to treat comic books as a legitimate medium worthy of respect on equal footing. People like the Mario and Sonic movies, and Detective Pikachu, because they were equally free of pretentiousness and focused more on celebrating the fun aspects of those games.
Can anyone name a movie with Kevin Hart in it which is not mediocre at best. Add the even more complex history of bad movies based on video games plus horrible casting choices , this movie had close to zero chance of success.
I'm not a fan of Kevin Hart's genre of movies but I know there are plenty of people who like him. That being said, those people like him because of his comedy. Hiring him to play a stoic character and writing him into this weird No Man's Land between not as jokey as a Kevin Hart comedy yet too jokey for the character he's playing is just a hard fumble on the part of the people who made this movie.
He was great with Jackie Chan in rush hour
@@tacoisloveThat's Chris Tucker lol
@@tacoislove 😂🤣
Yet ANOTHER example of how not to do a videogame movie, because those at the top clearly have no clue. Details in this look legit, fair enough, but they completely failed to capture the spirit of it, the tone is NOTHING like the games so what the hell is the point, and were no doubt only able to get the movie greenlit if they had "big names" behind it. Which doesn't always work - just because you have the legendary Cate and Jamie Lee, Jack Black and Kevin Hart (1000% only because they worked together in the past), doesn't mean it'll do well. The problem was that the minute it was revealed, most were eye-rolling off the cast alone. Kevin Hart is one of the worst casting decisions I can remember in a long time, Cate is a BAFFLING one and tarnishes her image given her amazing past roles. Just...clearly no idea, throwing money at stars to push a new IP and it's backfired. Shame, because we want more gamer movies, but this is NOT the way to do it.
Borderlands has succeeded as a franchise in spite of Randy Pitchford not because of him.
They could've done alot with this movie. A re-telling of Bl1, BL2, or even a sequel to BL 3 as like a spinoff that strengthens the weaker characters introduced in BL3. Just what the nuts happened. Oh and SHOULD'VE BEEN ANIMATED
Mostly the last one. 😁
@@markhettenbach3141 I agree 💯 that'd make BL 3 all the more enjoyable where it was weaker
A better choice for casting would be:
Terry Crews or Idris Elba as Roland
Karen Gillian as Lilith
Rachel Brosnahan as Tannis
The original Claptrap VA as claptrap
Joey King as Tiny Tina
And whoever voiced the Psycho in BL2 as the Psycho
I think Joey King as Tiny Tina is too old. Part of the comedy of Tina is how dangerous and crazy she is despite being a child. I think Maybe Tom Hardy could've made a good Krieg if he bulked up for the role a bit. He does good with masked/crazy characters. The rest of the dream cast you mentioned is pretty awesome tho.
@@Saikopath8317 thanks!
I agree about Joey King. It'll be tough to find someone for that particular role lol. And yes I think Tom hardy would work too.
And if Dr. Zed would have been in it. Bill Hader.
Film makers not wanting to respect source material is just folks with less creativity using someone else's skin to sell their own bad ideas.
Halo TV Show, Borderlands, so many films over the years. People who wouldn't get their story made, so steal the investment in something successful.
It's so weird and so transparent.
The fact that Tiny Tina is almost as tall as fucking Roland in the movie
Also the movie clearly takes place for Borderlands 1... SO WHY IS KRIEG THERE
They thought his the guy from the box art 😂
Sonic movie writers: listens to the fans
Sonic fans: watches movie, and enjoys it
Sonic Movie writers get multiple awards for their movie
Borderlands movie Writers: flip the fans off and tell them the writers are right
Borderlands fans hate and dont watch movie
Borderlands Movie writers :O
the lesson here is, be more like the Sonic movie writers lol
LMAO BS, Bitchford loves to block critics. People that told him putting Borderlands 3 on Epic would result in a failure. Beside it having a HORRIBLE story and cast of characters, it was on of the worst performing in the series. He blocked TONS of people for criticizing that move. That is what he does. He doesn't thrive off of it, he is literally afraid of it and gets hostile!
Yeah, that dude is a grade A knob for sure. Really wish he’d leave the industry.
How did putting it on Epic cause its failure? I know nothing about Borderlands 3 so I didn't know it bombed.
@@jaketheberge1970it didn't bomb it made twice as much as BL2. It was a fun game. The only issue was the baddies weren't as interesting as handsome jack.
You're being EXTREMELY generous calling Randy Pitchford the creator of Borderlands. In reality, he didn't create anything. He was the CEO of the company that produced the game and he performed a voice role. Other than that, his role was largely making public appearances in crazy sport coats, performing questionable magic tricks, fighting with people online, and taking credit for other people's work.
If you want to talk creators, you'll need to mention Matthew Armstrong and Mikey Neumann (Catch a ride!!!).
As he always has been …..
That's what Randy does best! That and throw a tantrum whenever anyone criticizes him or Gearbox's games.
Once I saw PG-13 and the casting I was out
If borderlands were to be a movie it should have been animated.
I have no interest with a live action one
I agree because at least animated they could use the original voice actors to voice their in game characters for the film to attract fans of the game to watch the film and in terms of story they could focus on bl1 following the same plot points and even take a opportunity to introduce a new final battle and ending with it being the new canon ending for the game story since from what I remember a lot of people didn’t like the original final battle and ending when compared to the other games in the series
Live Action would work, if they actually followed the game for starters, and had anybody else in the cast
they could have maybe gotten away with it if they went the fallout way tone wise but style wise i agree it probably does not translate to real life
It shoulda been animated in a semi similar way to how into the Spider-verse was. A more stylized presentation that compliments the quirky aspects of Borderlands. These live action adaptations just come across as bad cosplay in comparison to the source material.
@@justinmiller2132 not always though, fallout works super well in live action but that's because they go for realism in the games so it translates well, not with a game that's done in a super unique cell shaded style
Okay Hollywood you need to listen if you're going to make a movie from the video game and the video game is rated M that means it only makes sense to make the movie rated R anything less than R is going to be a slap in the face to all the games fans
Making it r rated is no guarantee of Success. Mortal Kombat 1995 did very well despite its pg 13 rating. Mk 2021 had an r rating and was not as successful, if it didn't completely bomb (I couldn't find a clear answer).
They're still operating off the old-fashioned idea that a general movie-going audience is much larger than the fanbase of any game, so, as long as you make a movie that a bunch of randos who've never played the game want to see, you can just ignore the small percentage of the audience made up of grumbling fanboys. The lesson they haven't learned is that, while the fans of any given IP are a small percentage of the movie-going public, they're also the ones who set the tone of the conversation online and that buzz either boosts the desire of non-fans to go see it or puts the stink on the movie so that more people stay away. The days of being able to just slap an IP's title on something to exploit the name and grabbing piles of cash are over.
The worst part is that it doesn't cost them any more to be faithful to an IP than to go rogue. That's literally a free decision. If you were in charge of adapting an IP and investing $150 million of investor money, WHY would you ever choose to be like, "Meh, let's just use the name of this beloved thing but then do our own thing with it. Who cares about the fans who made the IP successful?" Any exec who is still making that decision in 2024 should be handed a cardboard box and told to pack up their office bc it shows an inability to understand the state of the business.
@@jaketheberge1970I didn't say making it R would guarantee success I said making it anything but R it doesn't make sense if you want the existing fan base to watch it
@@johnplaysgames3120yeah that's kind of what I'm talking about besides another general audience might for might not be bigger than the fan base in numbers they should realize at this point that all publicity is not good publicity.. but once the movie is released people are going to start putting in their two cents and talking about how bad it is to them which is going to result in fewer tickets when people look into the movie... Like take Deadpool for example do you think it would be nearly as successful as it is if Ryan Reynolds let Disney think it's claws into it and sink it to a PG-13?
The criminally misunderstood the vibe of the games, and horribly miscast pretty much everyone. I'm am so shocked that it wasn't a breakaway success
4:59 I’m am officially unexcited for borderlands 4 storywise😒
I own all the games. I love playing them with my wife. They, yet again took a good story and tried to personalize it with their flavor, a flavor the didn't make the game or write the story. Writers need to stop trying to make someone else's story theirs. Because it just isn't.
The fact that Greasy Pitchford has the nerve to say this film was good, when he was the producer of it, what kind of crap is he smoking and where can I get some?
Goddamn cause Greaseford sure as hell should be given some legitimate criticism over this film, but he's blocking all of it it seems, and you wonder why Borderlands 2 was the absolute peak of the series
When I first heard the idea that someone was going to make a Borderlands movie, I was concerned. I think Borderlands works best as an interactive video game. The whole looter-shooter mechanic is the main draw, especially in BL3 which has a pretty awful story.
Besides, it's not like BL1 and BL2 are brilliant pieces of storytelling either, but it's passable in a game where the main focus is the gameplay, after all.
Not much gameplay in a movie. It's kind of like when they tried making the Doom movie. Doom is a fun series of shooter games, but the story is paper thin and it always was. It's enough for a game, but there is very little to grab onto for a movie.
Video games with high story focus and lots of world building are much better basis for making other kinds of media. So, story-driven RPGs will always be better than pure action games or other genres where the pure gameplay loop is 99% of the draw.
Then ofcourse, add terrible casting, terrible screenplay and a PG13-rating for a gory video game adaptation, and you are guaranteed to flop.
Randy Pitchford comparing Borderlands: The Movie to The Beatles shows an absolutely mortifying disconnect from reality. Psychopath.
Randy "barely legal material on his misplaced usb and known workplace abuser" Pitchford is a cry baby? No way, can't be.
it feels like the duke nukem forever of borderlands
I remember that Randy blocked me on Twitter because at the time, people were voicing their concerns for the 3rd game and some of the not so good things going on behind the scenes and I asked him how he was going to respond and that he couldn't magic trick his way out of it
i think it's well known that Randy isn't a normal guy anyway so if anyone takes his opinion seriously then their clearly insane 😂
This trash movie is a good signal to push for better future productions of movies.
PG-13. As soon as they rated it kid friendly it bombed
I'm 40, but I can mind as a child loving 18 rated films. The Terminator, Alien, Aliens, Robocop etc. We all loved these films we were too young tae watch. When I was 12, I bought the VHS of Aliens in a John Menzies store. Got side eyed by the staff ("You sure you're 18?"), but they really didn't care and sold it tae me.
Kids love the ultraviolence in movies.
I kind of understand the concept of his Beatles comparison, but with that, i also get how it misses the point. Each song a band writes isn't meant to be a number one song: it's meant to make an album. And a 25% hit rate? The Beatles broke up in 1970. By that time, they had 11 #1 albums. The only ones that weren't were: An import, a compilation, and Yellow Submarine (#3). So his point is not on the mark and also very wrong.
If Randy is saying "Each song isn't a number one hit" then a better comparison would be that a scene in a movie didn't quite land, but not every song on an album is a banger. A person can enjoy an album AND have a track or two they skip over. The same with TV series such as The Fly episode of Breaking Bad.
I get that we aren't going to get an honest answer from him with how much he sank into the project, but The Beatles?!
Divine justice.
We Alien fans will not let him rest either.
Was thinking the exact same thing
That'd be utterly hilarious if Romulus cleared them on their first week
The first mistake was not having Handsome Jack as the villian
He was great as clap trap ❤
Why did the actresses of Lilith, Tannis and Moxxi have more 20 years old than the game characters??
Yeah but, she was still hot
I'm talking about Lilith
Personally I think Moxxis actress was fine.
Moxxi has adult children after all and no body knows her actual age for sure.
@@jeremyhall2727 I agree. Cate and Gina Gershon are both goddesses.
Should have given it to Anthony Burch to write, and/or Studio Trigger to animate. SOMETHING.
This is my main gripe with Randy Pitchford. He runs around acting like he single-handedly created the game, but a lot of the credit for the success of BL1 and BL2 goes to the people who worked for him.
@@theclaybeartravels3596 Probably the vast majority. 😅
@@theclaybeartravels3596 You can blame gamers partially for stuff like that. So many gamers give most of the credit or even all of it to INDIVIDUALS for entire series that are successful.
Lets not make a violent, gory, swear happy, true to the game version of the film
Lets make it for kids... so they can hate it as well
I was wishing and praying for a Bioshock movie ever since the first game came out. But seeing how Hollywood butchered this and theres been how many failed attempts at Resident Evil... I think were good without a Bioshock movie.
why, just WHY.
borderlands franchise ruined because of this garbage of a movie, we need another game, not a failure of a movie
I love that whats rated for 18 years and older in the US is rated for 15 year olds in the UK. Infantilization is really out of control in the US.
I still wished they brought in Paul Verhoeven to direct this film.
Which 90’s movie did he direct again? I *think* he directed either Robocop or Total Recall. Either way, I agree that with him directing this, it *may* have been better, certainly gorier.
He did both of those @@whitewolf3051
@@whitewolf3051 he did both, especially starship troopers
@@OmegaX711 Starship Troopers as well? Thought that movie had his flare to it.
I saw Kevin Hart in the preview and KNEW it would be terrible. Borderlands is not his type of comedy.
Greasy Randy being Greasy Randy. “I love a good joke I mean, for f**k sake I own the Duke nukem franchise”. He made a joke and doesn’t like that people are laughing at it.
I love that so many people see the same thing I see with Randy, lol. Huge creepy uncle vibes, the type that has like a closet full of dirty magazines or smt😂
Hart as Roland. That stopped me dead in my tracks. And the very reason I will not be watching this. I'd rather watch fucking Tusk again, then another movie with Kevin's annoying ass
Release the Eli Roth cut?
Damn Bobby Lee was in it? That sucks, i like Bobby lol. He needs a good flick to be in. I know he likes games so someone needs to put him in a good gaming movie. Mario or Fallout or something lol
Its because Randy Pitchford knows nothing about the franchise
And now hes acting like Eric July
The fact you know who that is impresses me have a like
hahahaah so damn true, Eric July and Rippaverse SUUUUUUUCK
My 12 year old gen alpha daughter watched this movie and thought it was dumb, I agreed. Who was this movie made for? Cause as a Borderlands fan, it for sure wasn't made for me.
This movie was doomed since the casting choice announcement.
I knew it was a wrap the moment I saw Kevin hart.
the fact they had any hope of this doing well shocks me
So Somewhere in a archive in Hollywood there is a R rated movie version of this film maybe they should release that one.
So, who exactly was the market they were going for?
Randy Pitchford and his family?
R.I.P TK BAHA those who know the homie
Thank god he didn't see the movie 😊
IS TK ok?
@@samiollikainen6259 raiders got him
Howd they spend 30 mill on marketing? They only really started showing off trailers for this about a month before release
So it got ruined in post! Wow whoever is responsible for that should be canned!
All the characters are cast absolutely wrong, and that visceral approach is what made borderlands. Not having it is like having a saw movie without the traps.
“Oh you disagree with my opinion, insta-blocked” Modern day is ridiculous the internet is horrible man
I have two thoughts in my head (only)
1. James Gunn would’ve made a great director for borderlands especially character interactions and introductions and
2. It needs an r rating (NEEDS!!!)
James Gunn would have been perfect
Ironic considering it looks like they were going for a Guardians style movie. They ripped Gunn off in the most broad strokes and couldn't nail his actual style.
As someone who loves the entire Borderlands game series, I can honestly say as soon as I saw the cast and first trailer I knew it was gonna be a flop. It not being rated R was just wack and no Handsome Jack was the biggest let down.
Hollywood just can’t make anything good or original anymore
They can, when they actually try properly. Randy Pitchford clearly has no idea about the franchise and now he's whining.
They do. All the time. People just don't watch it.
Me who has watched enough good movies and also original movies. Maybe you just live under a rock.
Gearbox already set the standard naming convention; Gory, vulgar, and over the top? Borderlands. Scaled back for a wider audience? Wonderlands. The name of the film alone implies they are going for it.
casting and plot where the biggest reason it failed. Lilith looks like that dude who had to many plastic surgeries
Deadpool and Wolverine versus borderlands. 54 million this weekend versus just around 10
Mill. One movie shows right way to do things and other shows why you should not be afraid to go all out.
It's like they made it for television.
Twisted Metal was made for TV, that show is amazing and bloody. This is what happens when they try to make a movie for broad appeal... too bad it appeals to no one.
The audacity to want to sell this to children...
Despicable!!
And the parents who would let their children watch this, should never be considered parents
That entire fiasco with writers wanting to "do their own thing" without looking at the source material is basically cultural appropriation but against gamer culture.
Who could have possibly predicted that a borderlands movie featuring A list actors, produced by one of the guys responsible for Morbius, would flop? Gee what a surprise
Strip the flesh
Salt the box office earnings
You messed with the wrong dog
I could write a small essay on what I think is wrong with the movie based just on trailers and reviews. It was doomed years ago, and now Hollywood will see the property as tainted and not touch it for 25+ years.
When's the Snyder cut come out?
Pitchford is that kid who says "I'll take my ball and go home," then claim he was joking when everyone tells him to go ahead and leave
The idea that they were aiming at kids but using an aging cast to do it, tells you there was some serious confusion during development.
imagine how perfect it would be if they made a sequel, called it borderlands 2, and righted all the wrongs of this film. i want so badly for the people who made this movie to get a second shot and have full creative freedom.
Not seen it, probably won't because I am sick to death of these game adaptations being made and they never follow the massive amount of source material from a very successful franchise! So what, didn't any of them including the actors play any Borderlands games period? Please for the love of all that's sacred understand the source material your given and write the screenplay based on it's canon or your just another studio pumping out garbage because you refuse to even play the bloody games or follow any of its narrative!
The only thing I cared about his Twitter post was that he hinted BL4 was in the making. "We're working extra hard FOUR you on what's next"
Thinking about this movie, I‘m kind of surprised that they didn’t film a couple of scenes to make people believe that they actually tried to make a proper adaptation. Instead their marketing is pretty clear on this not wanting to attract any Borderlands fans. For once I‘m amazed how honest Hollywood is and I do appreciate it to know early on that I don’t have to care about a movie.
I think the people involved in the shooting of the film should sue whoever decided to change it in post. This tarnishes their reputation.
My beef was that film was not just a retelling of Borderlands 1.
All 4 on bus, arrive on Fyrestone, Travel to New Haven, Defeat Bandet Lord Krom, Defeat Bandit Lord Flynt, Defeat Atlas HQ (Master Cloud), chase Commandant Steele to Vault, Kill the "Destroyer", Handsome Jack end credit.
When the article released, I think 2019, and part of the plot detail was that tiny Tina was gonna be the human embodiment of the vault key. I knew this movie was gonna suck.
The dude who made it clearly does not understand borderlands.
I was confused AF about the cast in choices, and the characters that were featured.
Where’s Brick & Mordecai? Why 2 characters from the second game, one of them being a DLC character?
Idris Elba would’ve been a better choice for Roland then Kevin Hart.
If not him literally, anybody else would’ve been better than Kevin Hart. The rest of the cast he was also extremely confusing especially for a Lilith’s & Tannis.
This really feels like a bad video game movie that was common in the 90s/early 2000s
The corporate overlords have caught up to the Borderlands era, and like a lame dad, nobody is interested in their crap
It’s a shame to watch a franchise that I use to love be completely destroyed over the past several years, from Borderlands 3 to this it’s such a travesty.
Once I saw they had two seniors citizens playing female characters in their 20s and 30s, not to mention Kevin Hart as Rowland, I knew it was going to be a dumpster fire. Whoever thought up this mess has to be completely disconnected from reality.
I don't think I'd like this any more with over the top violence, but I bet the reason was some dumb executive going "It's a video game! It's for kids!".
I think it's more that they're still operating on the old-fashioned idea that "Hey, we're spending $150 million, we need to open this up to a larger audience by making it kid-friendly so we can maximize the amount we make." Of course, this idea is a relic from the world before Deadpool, Fallout, Last Of Us, etc. And, as we see with this opening weekend, if making it kid-friendly is not in keeping with the IP, trying to make it kid-friendly can backfire spectacularly.
Really, though, they were already F'd from the jump because of the egregious miscasting (and miswriting) of the characters. Making it R-rated wouldn't have fixed that.
Even casting that could've worked was let down by the writing. Look at the character of Claptrap. One thing that was super clear from the writing of the movie is that they didn't understand what it is that fans loved about Claptrap. They were just like, "Um... it's because he dances, right? Make him dance again!"