Interesting thing to note for the scene where the Belter briefly opens his spacesuit is that that is actually possible. Exposure to the vacuum of space doesn’t kill you right away, just quickly. So it’s possible to be out in it for a brief moment with minimal negative consequences, so long as you prepare beforehand; most importantly by breathing out (which he does) so the pressure inside your lungs doesn’t pop them. Really enjoying your reactions so far. Looking forward to the next one!
I always wondered about that particular shot. On one of the eipsodes of "Ty and That Guy" Ty Franck said they got that from NASA when tech was accidentally exposed to a vacuum briefly for a short period of time and didn't die.
Absolutely, there are a lot of misconceptions about what space is really like. Yes, you will die in minutes or less, but all the Belter got was a big pressure difference (as you said) and maybe a small risk of a radiation dose, but doubtless not his first. This show demonstrates what you can do for entertainment when you do your homework ;)
@@golfr-kg9ss NASA did a series of experiments with dogs and chimpanzees in hard vacuum to determine that a human should survive for up to three minutes without any permanent damage (presuming they were rescued, of course). The experience would be dreadful, however. A video of that human accident is available on TH-cam. The NASA report is online: ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19660005052/downloads/19660005052.pdf
Point of information. The belter could open his face plate in space, as he did, if he controlled his breathing just right. The point of the scene was to demonstrate that the belters were experts at living in space. It was their natural environment. By holding his breath a few seconds before opening his mask to absorb as much oxygen as possible, and then expelling the air while his mask was open to avoid rupturing his lungs, he could keep his mask open for the few seconds it took to remove the loose wire. The comfort of the belters in deep space becomes an important plot point through out the series.
Humans can handle 30 seconds of vacuum with no problems, up to a minute with minor damage, and survive up to 2 minutes but with pretty massive tissue damage
@hornbach9279 incorrect, unless you were already "out of breath" so to speak. If you hyper ventilate, supersaturating your blood with oxygen, you can go minutes without losing consciousness.
@@rodentnolastname6612 Nope. You're the one who is just making things up. There is one confirmed case of a man being exposed to vacuum. In that case he passed out in about 12-15 seconds, and was rescued in about 30 seconds. The entire thing is on video, and he's done interviews about what he felt.
If you think about it, Anderson Dawes already told you why Miller is on the case: he is the station "joke". He was not meant to crack the case, even Octavia says that he usually loves when these special cases just "go away". I loved that you picked up on how the hat was being handled in the interrogation scenes. Miller seemed to be saying and doing things to distract Dawes from finding the chip in his hat which is actually pretty brilliant considering his foe! Glad you are loving these because the show just grows and grows and gets better and better and you are now fully invested in our crew. I will be joining the patreon because I try to support anyone who loves this show! We want our last three seasons!
It's also the reason people get partnered with Miller. Muss' old boss tried to pump her and she shot him down, so she got transferred and partenered with Miller as a punishment. Similarly, Havelock is an Earther, and nobody else wanted to work with an Earther, so he got dumped on Miller.
It's not just Naomi. The whole crew tends to wear form-fitting clothing because they're expected to squeeze into vacuum suits in a moment's notice. If you're worried only Naomi will be eye candy, rest assured: there will be eye candy from all directions. No one is safe. This is a sexy crew.
By this juncture, in the books, we have learned that Holden's favorite book during his formative years was "Don Quixote." We are also able to see the purely utilitarian ethical philosophy of the Belters presented by both Anderson Dawes and Uncle Mateo. BTW did you recognize Mateo's nephew as the punk kid that Miller set free after stealing water in Ceres? And Mateo is not "drunkenly murdering his nephew" by putting him on the float, but is actually giving him a chance to survive while he goes Leroy Jenkins on the Martian patrol boat.
Clarus. You're good. First reactor I've seen immediately identify Fred's backstory, and then also nail down the corporate spy on Tycho right away. Kudos
I guess you guys haven't seen 2001? You won't instantly die, or explode, or freeze when exposed to vacuum. Notice that the belter made sure to exhale, though. That's so the trapped air in his lungs won't cause them to expand and damage them. 2001: A Space Odyssey was the first movie to get this right (well, almost...the character in that held his breath), yet other movies continued to show people exploding or freezing instantly.
@@AL-fl4jk they generally did their research. My wife is an expert in something else the show covers in Season 5 (involves human behavior) and she’s pointed out a few things that while not impossible would be jarringly unusual for that particular situation. Could be explained by cultural shifts or just that the person in question behaves differently generally and so unusual behavior is plausible, but it still stuck out as straining credibility.
I find that so lame now, the old tropes of insta-death lol I still remember Alien 4 where the Big Bad Nasty was sucked out of what, wasn't like an inch wide?!
@@AL-fl4jk my main complaint is the fact their ships DONT HAVE RADIATORS, but when that is the nitpick for your Sci-Fi you know you are doing better than most other shows
I regularly think about Dawes' story about his sister. The impossible choice, the way he described it. It is almost like they shot the scene rather than just heard him tell the story. Excellent acting
You can survive in vacuum for short periods of time. The main point of that was to show how comfortable the belter culture is with living in vacuum and zero g Ps your gonna love the Amos arc if you liked that little moment with Naomi 😎🤓
Also, the aside in this episode included a character we've already met. The nephew (Diogo) was introduced to us in the episode where he was trying to sell the illegal water and Miller caught him and then let him go. The scene with him and his uncle this episode served a lot of purposes (how Mars is retaliating after being blamed for the Cant, yet another example of how Belters are treated like crap on a regular basis and how they respond to it, and catching up with the life of Diogo and what he's going through). It's definitely relevant. :) P.S. - As you probably saw later, Diogo's uncle wasn't killing him, but was actually giving him a chance to survive and not be a part of the sacrifice/suicide. Of course, throwing him out in space, even with a suit, is a veryyyyy risky decision that could also lead to death, but a thoughtful one considering the circumstances.
Here are some misconceptions about space: Heat does not transfer quickly or efficiency. It can only transfer via radiation which is the least effect means, vs. conduction and convection. This means that objects, including manmade ships struggle to lose heat in space, which is a major design challenge NASA has faced. The "laser blasters" other movies use, would cook the pilots of their ships sooner than they would kill an enemy. Therefore, a human would take well over day to actually lose their body heat and freeze in space. Humans don't explosively decompress in space; they suffer a severe case of "The Bends" as the negative pressure causes the Nitrogen to boil out of our blood. It's the same illness divers suffer if they surface too quickly. Any air trapped in the body would also try to find the fastest route out of the body. The combination of those means that yes, you can in fact take off your space helmet and survive without any lethal effects. No sane person would want to do that however, which just emphasizes how crazy some of the Belters are! Also coming up in a later episode - Sound doesn't travel through space, but DOES travel through objects. So touching an ear to an object that's vibrating will let you hear it as long as you're in an atmosphere. So when you see them not have their radios on, but touch helmets to talk to each other in a later episode, yes, that's how it really does work in real life as well.
So when millers boss is calling him childish it’s not because he’s being stupid or incompetent, but because he’s being naive. She gave him this case specifically to bury it while saying she had someone working on it, so him being so effective and digging up all these clues (and ruffling so many feathers) is exactly what’s making him a liability to her. This gets expanded on a bit in the book but isn’t a spoiler or anything, just a fun detail.
If they're catching subtle things like the hat choreography between Anderson Dawes and Miller, their minds are going to be blown in just a few episodes when the real story kicks in.
Actually Miller did turn down Dawes offer last episode. It's very easy to miss, but he throws in the trash the terminal Dawes gave him as a bribe (that would have taken him to the safehouse where Havelock's attacker was being held). So Miller basically said "fuck that" to working with Anderson Dawes, and let the guy go, by not going after him, Dawes was unable to hold him for an extended period.
Going forward, when you see weird space shit (other than obvious science fiction stuff) that you think isn’t possible, just assume the Expanse got it right. There’s a reason physicists love this show. Opening your helmet for a few seconds is absolutely possible as long as you exhale the oxygen in your lungs.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps i saw Event Horizon in the theater. I thought I was going to see a regular ass sci-fi movie. NOPE. No one told me it was in the horror genre.
Yay! more ex-pants! Actually a dude survived the vacuum of space for a short time, he described the feeling of the saliva on his tongue freezing and boiling at the same time.
Dawes' story about his sister is an example of how tenuous life is for Belters, and that they constantly live under the threat of the "cold equations" (Google that if you don't get the reference). The example of Mateo putting Diogo "on the float" is another example. They are forced to make life and death decisions...all Belters know it can happen to them. Knowing this will become significant later. Mateo had been listening to the OPA propagandist talking about hurling asteroids at Earth, which gave them the idea to hurl his rocks at the Martian ship. BTW, you should notice by now there is a distinction between the spaceship-dwelling "rock hopper" Belters and those like Miller who live their lives on asteroids like Ceres. The visible difference is that those with spacewalks under their belts wear the tattoos in respect to the old rockhoppers. When Naomi told Amos that Holden had done the right thing, that instantly extinguished his anger. Remember he said that he always backs her because she always does the right thing. But Amos would die for Naomi or kill on her command, so it cut him to the quick that she would be afraid of him. Alex says to Holden, "You should have said something." But he hasn't told his family that he's still alive. Johnson was visibly surprised that the Martians had assisted Holden in getting off the Donnager with the Tachi (now, the Rocinente). But being a soldier, Johnson would know that Lopez' suit would have a combat bodycam, so he knew to look for it. That spy watching Holden and Naomi had been seen earlier. He was the technician working on the Roci that Naomi shoved aside a couple of scenes earlier. The writers had an interesting challenge. As we've mentioned, this is a mature, already-completed story. As it was first written in novel form, the writers had a concept of what the final novel would be, but they did not (could not) properly foreshadow events of the later novels in the earlier novels. In the series, however, they can and they do. One of the things that make this series so rewatchable is recognizing on each rewatch more the Chekov's Guns and foreshadowed events that occur later...even seasons later. NASA did a series of experiments in the 60s with dogs and chimpanzees in hard vacuum to determine that a human should survive for up to three minutes without any permanent damage (presuming they were rescued, of course). The experience would be dreadful, however. A video of a NASA human accident in hard vacuum is available on TH-cam. The NASA report is online: ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19660005052/downloads/19660005052.pdf
Chrisjen Avasarala is the Under-Secretary-General, the third most powerful person on Earth. The person she was talking to is the Deputy Secretary-General, essentially the Vice President of Earth. They were talking in the hallway in the UN Building in New York, the White House of Earth. Not only were all the drones theirs, they had secret service making sure no one got too close. They briefly mentioned her job title earlier but it's easy to miss. I hope that helps explain some of her seemingly lax attitude to security.
Also, Chrisjen speaking in "public places" can work to her advantage. Who would suspect she is talking about important issues in such a place? Her office could be bugged, open spaces it is harder to do so. She tries very hard to look bland and ineffectual so that her rivals and her enemies will underestimate her. She is playing the game of politics and is much better at it than most of her rivals.
Two things -- I think the outside the office scenes with Avasarala is to highlight the differences of environments between space and Earth. I might be wrong, yet that was the impression I got when first watching the show. Second, I wished you spent more time discussing Amos's and Alex's scene at the bar, and Amos's attitude about prostitutes and how he grew up. That is really important in eventually understanding the kind of person that Amos is.
Probably the biggest danger in the first few seconds with the helmet hatch opened is decompression given space is a vacuum and no air pressure. Just like when divers rise too fast from the bottom of the ocean to the surface, air bubbles in the body will expand and they could die. It is probably much more severe with space. The guy opened up the hatch, breathing out while fixing the problem, closed the hatch, and then breathed normally. And he did this very quickly and was not exposed to the radiation long enough to hurt him. Belters are industrious, so say the least. They know all the shortcuts when surviving in space.
The thread with Avasarala and the UN takes time to develop. In the novels, earth politics and Avasarala don't appear until book two, so their inclusion in season one of the show is something of an improvement. We get to see the back story for some important events in the future.
You can do that, for a short period. Unfortunately watchers of space films and TV have been trained for decades into thinking you'll instantly explode, or get sucked out of tiny holes in ships if they get punctured, which is just bad (or no) science.
One thing mentioned in the books that explains the various mars accents: The Mariner Valley was settled by Chinese, East Indian, and Texan immigrants. Explains why Alex has a texan drawl.
What is also different with this show is that a lot of the hints actually have things, already planned, that will tie back in, whereas a mystery box seemed like the reveal / solution was ret-conned because a real solution to the mystery was not sufficiently developed at the time when it was introduced.
The main danger of Vacuum is your lungs collapsing if you try to hold air in. If you exhale fully you can stay conscious for like 30s of vacuum expositiong.
@@murciadoxial8056 We have an extremely limited sample size on vacuum exposure, and they are nearly universally accidents. Not exactly a good study on the limits of human vacuum exposure to drawn concrete conclusions on. Though, I don't see a line of volunteers for potentially lethal vacuum exposure experiments anywhere.
Re: Light and dark. You are sooo right! Rewatching these eps, there's stuff the creators are COUNTING on you to have forgetten, but the twists at the end of the show were there from the very start. Also don't let the more passionate fans get you down. They just want you to love it like they do.
Hey, Nerdy Nightly, I saw another reactor to this show mention you this week! A rather good reactor, who is almost done watching season 5, is now watching your own reactions to the same show! That's how good this series is! I'm liking your reactions a lot... intelligent, insightful, and genuine. Glad you're enjoying it, too! ;-]
I caught that too! Funnylilgal has been powering through the expanse. I kind of dread when she gets to the end. It will feel like it’s all over again…but then I have these two to keep it going.
@@crystalfire5564 As soon as I read a rather good reactor I knew instantly it was Angela! Became a patron because she encapsulates how I felt the first time watching this incredible story unfold :)
The Rocinante (formerly known as the MCRN corvette Tachi) is indeed one of the stars of the show and the new chosen home for our former ice haulers ("Remember the Cant!") Holden, Naomi, Amos, and Alex. A legitimate salvage. 😄
"You can't do that" Yeah, you can. Just as long as you don't take more than a few seconds and don't hold your breath. You start to lose conscienousness in 10 to 15 seconds. The guy was clearly experienced on how to handle vaccum - he exhales before opening the helmet so he won't have air inside his lungs, which is the biggest imediate danger. He likely thought the lose wire was a bigger problem than a few seconds in a vacuum. You don't freeze instantly to death when thrown into space like in Marvel movies and such. That's probably why that scene exists, to adress such misconceptions from less accurate space operas. :) Although you'll lose conscience far quicker than that, you can actually survive for up to 90 seconds with proper preparation (lowering the pressure on the suit slowly, breathing all the air in your lungs out, etc.), though it will be very painful as the water on your tissues starts boil and expand, making the tissues swell. You'll also eventually go blind. But if you're rescued in under 90 seconds you'll likely survive without permanent damage. Cheers! P.S.: I just saw several peeps mentioned this before me - didn't mean to be redundant, I just had the video page loaded as it came out and didn't refresh it after watching to see the comments before writing mine. Sorry about that.
"he exhales before opening the helmet" Watch it again. He does that while closing the helmet. Curious that everybody says the scene is right but doesn´t acknowledge this minor mistake. Pretty sure that this is one of those occasions where during post-production Naren or Ty caught it but it was too late to correct. Some of these wouldn´t have happened if they were present at the shoots.
Avarsarela has these intense conversations wherever she likes, though she does indeed have her own office. However, it is more difficult to bug a busy concourse.
Glad you're still enjoying the show! Really glad you're enjoying the writing and acting! This is a character driven show. One thing that I can say with the upmost confidence is that you can completely trust these writers! As far as acting, these actors just get better and better. Pay attention to the actor playing Amos. He does so much without much dialog. Looking forward to the next one!
Yes. Even though you think the earth stuff doesn’t make sense now it’s there for a specific purpose that’ll pay off later. Unlike Lost with the Nicki and Paulo side plot that went nowhere.
hint: every time you think something shown is not possible or bad cgi: assume you dont understand the physics of it and that it IS possible. The showrunners woudltn had included such a scene without backing up this stuff with science
The two creators of the books also where part of the writing team. Originally, they created this to be a game which fell through, so it ended up being books. All the science was checked with Astrophysics and Theoretical Physicists. One of the creators and the Actor that plays Amos have a YT channel which they go through each episode. Also they are reviewing The last of us and have some interesting points and thoughts if you are interested.
Well, classified conversation are better exchanged in random public places. Private offices can and are usually bugged, it's harder to bug conversation when you can't predict where and when the exchange will happen. And surveillance drone would cause a scene.
It's so funny that you don't feel like the Earth plot is connecting, because Earth and Avasarala are not in book one. That's interesting that you could pick up on the disconnect!
I'm not going to follow you on Patreon because I'm twice your ages and it would be a little creepy, but I am so enjoying watching you discover this show. I think all fans of the show had the same reaction to the first few and it's those (like myself) who came back to it are it's biggest fans. I'm not giving spoilers but you are going to LOVE Amos by the end, love Avasarala (yes the Earth-Mars stuff becomes much more interesting) and love Camina Drummer: All for the characters and the great acting by the cast. In The Expanse gravity and distance become both characters and sources of drama. It's going to be fun watching you react to the seasons. I'll leave you with: "Today I make history! Me! Maneo Jung-Esp..."
Belters frequently ran at lower pressures with higher O2 mixtures. Makes pressurizing and depressurizing take less time and risk less valuable gasses if there is a leak, also the ship's hull doesn't need to be as heavy, thus more fuel effecient... We did it in our space program as well. The most tragic experience is when we tried to run 100% O2 at 25% pressure, and unfortunately the whole test crew died in a fire. Since then we now run at higher pressures as fires become almost unpreventable at high to pure O2 environments.
After the horrific fire incident, the Apollo program stuck with the 100% O2 at about 5psi in space, but they slowly transitioned to it from normal sea level mixture and pressure during the ascent after launch.
@@MattNolanCustom thanks, yeah I didn't know that... I knew it was mainly to help with egress and ingress of a pressure vessel, less lost gasses, as they really didn't have an airlock on the Apollo missions... they just used a lost gas approach and vented their contained atmosphere, then refilled from stored gas once back in the lander. But I thought they fully gave up on the pure O2 as it was just too dangerous. perhaps that was later in the space program.
@@Hawkido You're welcome. They stuck with 5psi at least up to Skylab, though the ISS is run at 14.7psi, normal oxygen mix. They would have had to make the lunar modules stronger for a higher pressure and they couldn't afford that extra weight in terms of the extra fuel that the Saturn 5 and the LM itself would then need. Plus, the EVA suits they had then would have been even less flexible and more cumbersome at 14.7psi, the gloves especially.
@@MattNolanCustom oh, yeah, I had heard about the EVA suits being stiff at 1bar. I had forgotten about that. Thanks for being on-the-spot with the full story.
With regards to "you can't open your spacesuit in space," you absolutely can. it would happen exactly as shown. If you close it up again quickly, there's no issue. Remember they are way further out from the sun. Doing it in earth orbit, you'd get cooked, if facing the sun. but in the belt? easily done.
Yes, you CAN do that. Other than the Drive systems magic-science, the hard science is on LOCK. People do not explode or instantly freeze. Inhaling or holding your breath is bad, but exhaling is the smart move to prevent damage. Skin exposure is also not a problem, just don't touch something, especially something in shadow, or in direct sunlight.
One of the reasons I love watching reviews of The Expanse is listening to all the guessing about where the story is going. With most well written shows you should, by around this point, know fairly well where the story and the main characters are heading. The Expanse differs mostly due to its complexity. They wove the story, like braiding hair, first two threads are twinned together, then two more, then a fifth gets added before they are all joined together. However, just to be different, some extra loose threads are tossed in along the way, and others are pulled, not removed, but left dangling for some future use. Love your reaction, please keep on enjoying this great show as it only gets better and better! One of the very few shows that builds and improves from the very first episode to the final episode of the final season.
In the "reality" of the books, Naomi Nagata is a foot-and-a-half taller than Holden though she does not way as much. Hard to convey differences in Earther, Martian, and Belter physique when your acting pool is fairly tight.
Unfortunately, the vacuum doesn't kill you instantly like most media displays. Someone who was born and raised in space would know how to take their helmet off for a few seconds without worry
Quick tip. Anything you think can't be done in real life that this show does, the show is probably right. We've all been miseducated by media for a long time.
Something I personally believe makes this first season a lot more fun ( certainly on a rewatch ) is to know that The Expanse books were initially based on a TTRPG groups adventure notes. So some of these episodes are loosely based on some of the sessions they might have had. For example it is believed ( I don't believe this is confirmed but I might be wrong ) Shed was a "main character" because he was being played by someone in the game only to have to leave the group and end up being unable to play for whatever reason thus his character gets written off. All of the characters fit a stereotypical party composition with Amos ( your beefy fighter) Alex ( your smooth talking pilot ) Naomi ( your skill person with tons of knowledge checks) Shed (your healer, who wasnt much of one because he was first level so of course he wasn't trained ) and lastly Holden ( your leader with charisma and some basic jack of all trade skills). I think it sheds a light on things like why Fred Johnson sent them alone with no one to watch them because it was just the party getting their first major quest objective.
I know that a large portion of the cast did rehearsals in their own free time to make things feel natural in the show. It's one of the big reasons this show is so good....
Don't worry, if you're thinking the show is slowing down, it is, just a bit. They're taking just a bit of time to flesh the characters out and introduce some new players. But it's the deep breath before the next big thing happens. And the next big thing is now about to be happening. The roller coaster just hit the top of the hill, and it's about to get WIIIILLLLDDDD!!! XD
The DoP for this show is a guy named Jeremy Benning; he has been in charge of cinematography for all six seasons of The Expanse. He is incredibly talented and I'm convinced he's going to be super famous some day, if he isn't already. No need to defend your comparative feelings about the episodes, obviously. Your opinions are your opinions. I will note, though, there is some irony in your opinion of the writing in Episode 5 vs. Episode 6. Episode 6 was credited to Jason Ning, who only ever wrote that one episode, whereas the writer for episode 5, Dan Nowak, went on to write more episodes of The Expanse over its six year run than anyone except Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck (the book authors) -- all three are tied with 15. Does that mean anything in the end? Probably not - all episodes are usually collaborative projects anyway, regardless of who gets official writing credit. I do agree the writing for episode 6 seems stronger, but I think that's more about how many things happen in that episode than the writing itself. Also, any episode with a Jared Harris monologue in it can't help but be awesome.
Jeremy Benning is also one of the most collaborative and inclusive DOPs in the industry. He was hugely important to the show's success but you'd never ever know it on set. He doesn't have Super-Important DOP Swagger. He has a welcome mat and a story to tell.
@@AngeloBarovierSD Always nice to know somebody whose creative work you admire turns out to be a decent person as well. Thanks for that. Do I take it you have some personal experience with Mr. Benning?
@@tonycamas9747 I do. I was nuthin nobody nowhere on the crew. And every interaction I ever had with him or that I observed was cordial, even when there was urgency. He was always the calm in the centre of the storm.
During the first season, the show spends quite some time trying to correct a lot of misconceptions the viewers might have about space - including about exposure to vacuum.
In the books, you get to read exactly why she hired Miller. He's an aging, overweight, depressed loser who could have been a great detective. She chose him because the chances of him NOT figuring things out were very high.
With proper preparation (pre-breathing, making sure your lungs are empty, etc) a human can survive about a minute in total vaccuum, though they'd only have useful consciousness for about half of that. Miller's boss assigned him to that task because she assumed he would fail. When he came to her with information that Julie Mao had left Ceres, she told him to stop his investigation and "enjoy [his] tax-free bonus". She's been OPA from the start, but also works for Star Helix Security (partly owned by Julie's father). She probably didn't know what happened to Julie until Miller told her, but was told by Dawes to assign someone who wouldn't be able to track her down. I dunno if you caught it, but the nephew that was thrown out the airlock is the kid that was stealing water on Ceres that Miller let go.
Listening to Nerdy talk about some of the things that he doesn't really like, I keep thinking that I'm glad the writers didn't do those things his way. I think the show would be a lot less interesting and compelling if so many things were made as clear as he wants them to be. After all, there are plenty shows that make things that obvious and it is clear how everything ties together, but they don't have half the kind of devoted following that The Expanse does, and that is not just a coincidence.
My favorite line of this ep was when Dawes said, If Julie were here right now, she'd spit in your face. You could tell that was like a gut punch to Miller. Those Miller/ Dawes scenes were some of my favorite acting in this season. You're about the only reactors who immediately linked the neck tats to Dawes' neck scars. That's some pretty cool backstory. You can also tell that Diogo's Uncle has an old patched up, broken down space suit, which is pretty much the norm for "Rock Hoppers". From generations of working in space, they're used to doing quick, on the fly repairs and patch jobs in the vacuum of space.
In relation to the Earth plot. In the books Earth and the characters don't appear until book 2. Bringing things forward does give the writers to set up some later characters and plots ahead of time. That's why you might be feeling they are a bit disconnected as what is happening in the Belt is a coherent whole. The interesting thing is that the writers of the novels were in the writing room, and for me it seems that they took the chance to go back and hone stuff from their earlier novels in the book series with the hindsight gained from where they were currently at in writing the novels.
you'll find each episode has a tendency to "expand" the story's scope. sometimes that means setting up future events but most of this is relevant to the entire story, very little fat to trim in this series and no threads get dropped, these early seasons culminate into the one thread which is satisfying. even the side stories are there to enrich the main plot & make a point. gives a lot of depth to the world imo.
I think around 23:00 you said it best on how you should watch the show. I never want to spoil anything for anyone, part of the thrill lies in where it takes you (you are in for a ride, btw!) it's pure enjoyment! I knew nothing about this show when I first saw it, and you truly get their perspective and, most importantly, when their perspectives change throughout the series. I'm so happy you're watching this, you'll love it!! If you ever get around to reading the books (I'm sure many have already recommended them to you by now) you'll know why they NEED to make seasons 7-9!
Amos is such an interesting character, because he *knows* his moral compass is almost completely missing, so he seeks out people like Naomi who seem like good people to him, and follow their lead.
Don't sweat some of the comments, you're both just about where most of us were on first watch at this point. Hell, I stopped watching 3 eps in originally and came back to it on recommendations and now its my favorite show of all time. Enjoying the reactions, thanks!
Another fun reaction! - always love watching people try to figure out where the show is going (just like we all did 1st time watching it) 😁 Avasarala is used to working behind the scenes to find out info that people really don’t want revealed. She’s very high up in the government - I think she’s 3rd in line - but she can operate without a lot of the restrictions “normal” politicians have to respect, & this can sometimes get her in a little trouble. 😏 I love that this story spends time on showing the political side of things, both the larger state level groups (Earth, Mars etc) & down to the more local issues within the different factions/ groups in the Belt. They do a great job showing how all that works together - Big decisions get made & it affects everyone -& individuals can do one little thing that can end up affecting everyone in the system…. 🚀
guys,that immersing into the setting, where you don't need to ask every sentence meaningan djust go with it,comes quite fast. latest in season 2 you will understand whats going on like every day stuff. the hard part is when the show is over and you are still immersed 🙂
Nerdy Spacesuits opening: Liquid on the skin boils off but you can survive in vacuum as long as you aren't exposed long. You also might have capillaries burst but be relatively okay.
A note about the writing of the first season. The authors of the books, were brand new to TV, they had never really written anything screenplay wise prior to this. So they had a little bit of a rocky start on the writing, it gets SO much better.
I love seeing all the Expanse fans rushing to tell you: Yes, you can do that! One of the things this series seeks to do is counterprogram the unscientific fallacies of other sci-fi. Artificial gravity is way beyond our technological capacity. And, yes, the vacuum of space wouldn't instantly kill you. You would want to be looking away from the sun and you'd need to exhale first.
Apparently you can open your helmet in space. Foreshadowing to S5 - you’ll know the moment! There’s a whole discussion around it by the Expanse science geeks
From a production standpoint, a lot of extras will have poorly fitting overalls, but when you work in space, and you might need to get into a pressure suit really, really fast, baggy clothing will get you killed. In-universe, it would make a lot more sense for everyone who works in space to wear something more fitted, and they're going to be largely synthetic fabrics; the cost of getting cotton or whatever up from Earth and out to the Belt would be prohibitive. They can probably make something more like cotton than polyester, but this is goling out into the rough and I should stop this line of thought now. Anyway. It's like the difference between getting your first couple of layers on when it's baltic out(long johns or leggings or whatever under regular breeks), which is piss easy, and then trying to put a 3rd layer over what you would normally wear.
So glad that you are loving this show. You are SO right. The writing of this show is great. Not all episode hit, but there are some GREAT episodes in this season...and they ONLY get better. BTW, in the books, the Earth plot isn't until the second book. They brought Cristian Avasarala and the earth plot forward...so that we (the audience) would understand the three main groups in the solar system (Earth, Mars and Belters). It works in the book without Earth, but in the show it was needed. If you know, it is really spoon feeding you what you need to know for the moment. I just wish that you would start watching TWO of these episodes a week. I know it is a selfish ask, but to get you further into the show. We need to see you when all the shit hits the fan. Love your reactions. Thanks for being a part of our (wife and I) viewing habits. Talk to you, soon.
Spoilers** Dont read if you don't want them** Dude that's a huge spoiler man! do the right thing and edit out this season five reference and let them see it all for themselves. I love this show just as much as any screaming Firehawk so that's why it's so important that we hold our tongues on future happenings. How would you feel if someone spoiled it for you? Thanks I hope you change it when you can
If you go to "chat" with somebody in their office, they are expecting it. Catch them out in the open (though) & not only are they off guard, but they can't make a scene.
The scene with Uncle Mateo opening his helmet briefly draws a lot of comments from reactors who have “learned” their space science from the tropes of other shows and movies. That included me at first. Other commenters have explained how it is, indeed, possible, so I won’t repeat any of that here. What I have learned is, if the science of The Expanse runs counter to other shows, it’s safest to assume The Expanse is correct. The authors/producers have said that perhaps the most unbelievable thing on the show if that the engines aren’t hot enough to melt the ships.
Fun fact: Avasarala isn’t even in the first book. Her story is more of a backstory they added in the first season so we get used to her. But don’t worry, she’s going to be a huge character and definitely a fan favorite.
Also, this Season is the first TV Adaptation the Author ever made, so some things are a bit rocky. for example the flow of time isn't necessarily shown to the viewer as well as it is shown to the reader. I think for example between episode 5 and 6 were at least multiple days if not weeks that were just travel time for the Roci Crew and normal investigative work without clear results and development of obsession/love for Miller.
I'm going to be very very interested in what you have to say about the Earth plot going forward. It's quite different than the rest of the show, but your take I'm looking forward to.
I'm sure you know already, but just in case you don't, as you follow this series, Amos is more lovingly referred to as "Murder Snuggles" (No Spoilers). I can't pick a favorite character because so many are fantastic as F, but Amos leads his own, personal Fan Category. Looking forward to reliving this ride this ride with y'all!
The writing of this show is incredible. The writers (from Ty & Daniel, down to the series writers room) play a long con, and they only get better from here. 1.1-1.3 aren't perfect, but they do some incredibly heavy lifting/world building of challenging source material to adapt to TV. Anybody who can make it to 1.4 gets paid off. The list of incredibly important Easter Egg's you have already seen for future episodes would fill a book. This is the smartest, best acted, and coherent Science Fiction series of all time. You will see. Enjoy:)
Avasarala wasn't a character until the second book of the series, so the tv series had to come up with her plot whole cloth, before she shows up on-page, which might be why her plot doesn't seem to be as focused or like it's spinning its wheels. I think it's the next episode or two when it really begins coalescing itself.
If I remember right the earth plot doesn't appear until book 2, so to have it in season 1 can sometimes feel like they're stretching it out. Usually saved by the performance but I did like seeing other perspectives
Another good one. I really like watching all the different reactors. I find it really interesting to listen to new takes and get some new viewpoints. Oh don't know if it was mentioned but Diogo was the water thief Miller let go on Ceres.
Spoilers** Dont read if you don't want them** Dude that's a huge spoiler man! do the right thing and edit out this season five reference and let them see it all for themselves. I love this show just as much as any screaming Firehawk so that's why it's so important that we hold our tongues on future happenings. How would you feel if someone spoiled it for you? Thanks I hope you change it when you can
All the commenters about being exposed to vacuum are partially right, but the way they showed it in this episode was still too casual, and still potentially deadly. His helmet being open for that long wouldn't kill him *if* he exhaled fully, but it would cause his lungs to collapse temporarily, capillaries to burst, eyes to momentarily change shape, all the moisture on his skin and in his mouth would boil away, put him at risk of pulmonary edema, etc. They show vacuum exposure more realistically later in the series
They used an incident that happened at NASA as a reference for that scene. During suit testing a man was exposed to vacuum when a hose came loose. He was conscious for about 15 seconds before passing out and they got to him within about 30 seconds. He had no damage whatsoever. Went to lunch after and came back to work for the rest of the day.
GUYS!!! Spoilers** Dont read if you don't want them** Can we stop with the spoilers?? They are reactors and will remember bits and pieces, especially Clarus! Do the right thing and edit out this season five reference and let them see it all for themselves. I love this show just as much as any screaming Firehawk so that's why it's so important that we hold our tongues on future happenings. How would you feel if someone spoiled it for you? Thanks I hope you change it when you can
Interesting thing to note for the scene where the Belter briefly opens his spacesuit is that that is actually possible. Exposure to the vacuum of space doesn’t kill you right away, just quickly. So it’s possible to be out in it for a brief moment with minimal negative consequences, so long as you prepare beforehand; most importantly by breathing out (which he does) so the pressure inside your lungs doesn’t pop them.
Really enjoying your reactions so far. Looking forward to the next one!
And the Belters would have space suits with an air pressure lower than one bar, because they are used to less gravity.
I always wondered about that particular shot. On one of the eipsodes of "Ty and That Guy" Ty Franck said they got that from NASA when tech was accidentally exposed to a vacuum briefly for a short period of time and didn't die.
Absolutely, there are a lot of misconceptions about what space is really like. Yes, you will die in minutes or less, but all the Belter got was a big pressure difference (as you said) and maybe a small risk of a radiation dose, but doubtless not his first.
This show demonstrates what you can do for entertainment when you do your homework ;)
@@golfr-kg9ss NASA did a series of experiments with dogs and chimpanzees in hard vacuum to determine that a human should survive for up to three minutes without any permanent damage (presuming they were rescued, of course). The experience would be dreadful, however. A video of that human accident is available on TH-cam. The NASA report is online: ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19660005052/downloads/19660005052.pdf
There’s another bit in S5 where someone’s walking around in a suit with no O2 supply - the buildup of CO2 will kill you before you run out of O2.
Point of information. The belter could open his face plate in space, as he did, if he controlled his breathing just right. The point of the scene was to demonstrate
that the belters were experts at living in space. It was their natural environment. By holding his breath a few seconds before opening his mask to absorb as much
oxygen as possible, and then expelling the air while his mask was open to avoid rupturing his lungs, he could keep his mask open for the few seconds it took to
remove the loose wire. The comfort of the belters in deep space becomes an important plot point through out the series.
Humans can handle 30 seconds of vacuum with no problems, up to a minute with minor damage, and survive up to 2 minutes but with pretty massive tissue damage
@@rodentnolastname6612 yes but you go unconscious after about 15 seconds so if you dont have a buddy to help you anything longer is a death sentence
@hornbach9279 incorrect, unless you were already "out of breath" so to speak. If you hyper ventilate, supersaturating your blood with oxygen, you can go minutes without losing consciousness.
@@rodentnolastname6612 Nope. You're the one who is just making things up. There is one confirmed case of a man being exposed to vacuum. In that case he passed out in about 12-15 seconds, and was rescued in about 30 seconds. The entire thing is on video, and he's done interviews about what he felt.
@@davebcf1231 that was explosive decompression, very different situation.
If you think about it, Anderson Dawes already told you why Miller is on the case: he is the station "joke". He was not meant to crack the case, even Octavia says that he usually loves when these special cases just "go away". I loved that you picked up on how the hat was being handled in the interrogation scenes. Miller seemed to be saying and doing things to distract Dawes from finding the chip in his hat which is actually pretty brilliant considering his foe! Glad you are loving these because the show just grows and grows and gets better and better and you are now fully invested in our crew. I will be joining the patreon because I try to support anyone who loves this show! We want our last three seasons!
As far as I’m concerned, the Expanse isn’t the best science fiction show to date… it’s the best television show to date.
It's also the reason people get partnered with Miller. Muss' old boss tried to pump her and she shot him down, so she got transferred and partenered with Miller as a punishment. Similarly, Havelock is an Earther, and nobody else wanted to work with an Earther, so he got dumped on Miller.
It's not just Naomi. The whole crew tends to wear form-fitting clothing because they're expected to squeeze into vacuum suits in a moment's notice. If you're worried only Naomi will be eye candy, rest assured: there will be eye candy from all directions. No one is safe. This is a sexy crew.
By this juncture, in the books, we have learned that Holden's favorite book during his formative years was "Don Quixote." We are also able to see the purely utilitarian ethical philosophy of the Belters presented by both Anderson Dawes and Uncle Mateo. BTW did you recognize Mateo's nephew as the punk kid that Miller set free after stealing water in Ceres? And Mateo is not "drunkenly murdering his nephew" by putting him on the float, but is actually giving him a chance to survive while he goes Leroy Jenkins on the Martian patrol boat.
Clarus. You're good. First reactor I've seen immediately identify Fred's backstory, and then also nail down the corporate spy on Tycho right away. Kudos
"The Earth plot feels very far away." That's very true! The Earth is literally very far away from where the main action is happening. :-)
I guess you guys haven't seen 2001? You won't instantly die, or explode, or freeze when exposed to vacuum. Notice that the belter made sure to exhale, though. That's so the trapped air in his lungs won't cause them to expand and damage them. 2001: A Space Odyssey was the first movie to get this right (well, almost...the character in that held his breath), yet other movies continued to show people exploding or freezing instantly.
The expanse isn’t based on shitty modern sci fi, all science baby
@@AL-fl4jk they generally did their research. My wife is an expert in something else the show covers in Season 5 (involves human behavior) and she’s pointed out a few things that while not impossible would be jarringly unusual for that particular situation.
Could be explained by cultural shifts or just that the person in question behaves differently generally and so unusual behavior is plausible, but it still stuck out as straining credibility.
I find that so lame now, the old tropes of insta-death lol
I still remember Alien 4 where the Big Bad Nasty was sucked out of what, wasn't like an inch wide?!
@@AL-fl4jk my main complaint is the fact their ships DONT HAVE RADIATORS, but when that is the nitpick for your Sci-Fi you know you are doing better than most other shows
Heck, even Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy got it right-ish (it also had the characters hold their breath).
I feel the scene between Miller and Anderson was Harris' "tears in the rain" moment. So freakin' moving.
Almost like he's a good actor or something, right? :)
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t He is not just a good actor but a great one and a highly sought after one at that 😁
@@dennistomsen5822 *Rainier Wolfcastle voice* Zat's ze joke.
I regularly think about Dawes' story about his sister. The impossible choice, the way he described it. It is almost like they shot the scene rather than just heard him tell the story. Excellent acting
You can survive in vacuum for short periods of time. The main point of that was to show how comfortable the belter culture is with living in vacuum and zero g
Ps your gonna love the Amos arc if you liked that little moment with Naomi 😎🤓
And Naomi's arc
@@vorpalrobot All the arcs!
Also, the aside in this episode included a character we've already met. The nephew (Diogo) was introduced to us in the episode where he was trying to sell the illegal water and Miller caught him and then let him go. The scene with him and his uncle this episode served a lot of purposes (how Mars is retaliating after being blamed for the Cant, yet another example of how Belters are treated like crap on a regular basis and how they respond to it, and catching up with the life of Diogo and what he's going through). It's definitely relevant. :)
P.S. - As you probably saw later, Diogo's uncle wasn't killing him, but was actually giving him a chance to survive and not be a part of the sacrifice/suicide. Of course, throwing him out in space, even with a suit, is a veryyyyy risky decision that could also lead to death, but a thoughtful one considering the circumstances.
Here are some misconceptions about space:
Heat does not transfer quickly or efficiency. It can only transfer via radiation which is the least effect means, vs. conduction and convection. This means that objects, including manmade ships struggle to lose heat in space, which is a major design challenge NASA has faced. The "laser blasters" other movies use, would cook the pilots of their ships sooner than they would kill an enemy. Therefore, a human would take well over day to actually lose their body heat and freeze in space.
Humans don't explosively decompress in space; they suffer a severe case of "The Bends" as the negative pressure causes the Nitrogen to boil out of our blood. It's the same illness divers suffer if they surface too quickly. Any air trapped in the body would also try to find the fastest route out of the body.
The combination of those means that yes, you can in fact take off your space helmet and survive without any lethal effects. No sane person would want to do that however, which just emphasizes how crazy some of the Belters are!
Also coming up in a later episode - Sound doesn't travel through space, but DOES travel through objects. So touching an ear to an object that's vibrating will let you hear it as long as you're in an atmosphere. So when you see them not have their radios on, but touch helmets to talk to each other in a later episode, yes, that's how it really does work in real life as well.
So when millers boss is calling him childish it’s not because he’s being stupid or incompetent, but because he’s being naive. She gave him this case specifically to bury it while saying she had someone working on it, so him being so effective and digging up all these clues (and ruffling so many feathers) is exactly what’s making him a liability to her.
This gets expanded on a bit in the book but isn’t a spoiler or anything, just a fun detail.
If they're catching subtle things like the hat choreography between Anderson Dawes and Miller, their minds are going to be blown in just a few episodes when the real story kicks in.
Actually Miller did turn down Dawes offer last episode. It's very easy to miss, but he throws in the trash the terminal Dawes gave him as a bribe (that would have taken him to the safehouse where Havelock's attacker was being held). So Miller basically said "fuck that" to working with Anderson Dawes, and let the guy go, by not going after him, Dawes was unable to hold him for an extended period.
Going forward, when you see weird space shit (other than obvious science fiction stuff) that you think isn’t possible, just assume the Expanse got it right. There’s a reason physicists love this show. Opening your helmet for a few seconds is absolutely possible as long as you exhale the oxygen in your lungs.
I know this as I watched the nigh-documentary-like Event Horizon and Titan A.E.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps LOL stop it. You know what I meant. 😂
Besides the Epstein drive and a certain still as of yet unknown McGuffin's antics that is...
@@ScreamsfromtheBeyond Nono, I meant it, except for "nigh-documentary-like".
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps i saw Event Horizon in the theater. I thought I was going to see a regular ass sci-fi movie. NOPE. No one told me it was in the horror genre.
The “Graffiti” is nose art for the ship, like WWII planes often had.
"I wonder if they have ice-cream in the snackshop" *waves hand*
Avarsarala is a Jedi.
She might be a Sith.
You just say that because your avatar is red like a Martian. 😉
Yay! more ex-pants! Actually a dude survived the vacuum of space for a short time, he described the feeling of the saliva on his tongue freezing and boiling at the same time.
Dawes' story about his sister is an example of how tenuous life is for Belters, and that they constantly live under the threat of the "cold equations" (Google that if you don't get the reference). The example of Mateo putting Diogo "on the float" is another example. They are forced to make life and death decisions...all Belters know it can happen to them. Knowing this will become significant later.
Mateo had been listening to the OPA propagandist talking about hurling asteroids at Earth, which gave them the idea to hurl his rocks at the Martian ship. BTW, you should notice by now there is a distinction between the spaceship-dwelling "rock hopper" Belters and those like Miller who live their lives on asteroids like Ceres. The visible difference is that those with spacewalks under their belts wear the tattoos in respect to the old rockhoppers.
When Naomi told Amos that Holden had done the right thing, that instantly extinguished his anger. Remember he said that he always backs her because she always does the right thing. But Amos would die for Naomi or kill on her command, so it cut him to the quick that she would be afraid of him.
Alex says to Holden, "You should have said something." But he hasn't told his family that he's still alive.
Johnson was visibly surprised that the Martians had assisted Holden in getting off the Donnager with the Tachi (now, the Rocinente). But being a soldier, Johnson would know that Lopez' suit would have a combat bodycam, so he knew to look for it.
That spy watching Holden and Naomi had been seen earlier. He was the technician working on the Roci that Naomi shoved aside a couple of scenes earlier.
The writers had an interesting challenge. As we've mentioned, this is a mature, already-completed story. As it was first written in novel form, the writers had a concept of what the final novel would be, but they did not (could not) properly foreshadow events of the later novels in the earlier novels. In the series, however, they can and they do. One of the things that make this series so rewatchable is recognizing on each rewatch more the Chekov's Guns and foreshadowed events that occur later...even seasons later.
NASA did a series of experiments in the 60s with dogs and chimpanzees in hard vacuum to determine that a human should survive for up to three minutes without any permanent damage (presuming they were rescued, of course). The experience would be dreadful, however. A video of a NASA human accident in hard vacuum is available on TH-cam. The NASA report is online: ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19660005052/downloads/19660005052.pdf
Chrisjen Avasarala is the Under-Secretary-General, the third most powerful person on Earth. The person she was talking to is the Deputy Secretary-General, essentially the Vice President of Earth. They were talking in the hallway in the UN Building in New York, the White House of Earth. Not only were all the drones theirs, they had secret service making sure no one got too close.
They briefly mentioned her job title earlier but it's easy to miss. I hope that helps explain some of her seemingly lax attitude to security.
Also, Chrisjen speaking in "public places" can work to her advantage. Who would suspect she is talking about important issues in such a place? Her office could be bugged, open spaces it is harder to do so. She tries very hard to look bland and ineffectual so that her rivals and her enemies will underestimate her. She is playing the game of politics and is much better at it than most of her rivals.
Two things -- I think the outside the office scenes with Avasarala is to highlight the differences of environments between space and Earth. I might be wrong, yet that was the impression I got when first watching the show.
Second, I wished you spent more time discussing Amos's and Alex's scene at the bar, and Amos's attitude about prostitutes and how he grew up. That is really important in eventually understanding the kind of person that Amos is.
Probably the biggest danger in the first few seconds with the helmet hatch opened is decompression given space is a vacuum and no air pressure. Just like when divers rise too fast from the bottom of the ocean to the surface, air bubbles in the body will expand and they could die. It is probably much more severe with space. The guy opened up the hatch, breathing out while fixing the problem, closed the hatch, and then breathed normally. And he did this very quickly and was not exposed to the radiation long enough to hurt him.
Belters are industrious, so say the least. They know all the shortcuts when surviving in space.
The thread with Avasarala and the UN takes time to develop. In the novels, earth politics and Avasarala don't appear until book two, so their inclusion in season one of the show is something of an improvement. We get to see the back story for some important events in the future.
You can do that, for a short period. Unfortunately watchers of space films and TV have been trained for decades into thinking you'll instantly explode, or get sucked out of tiny holes in ships if they get punctured, which is just bad (or no) science.
One thing mentioned in the books that explains the various mars accents: The Mariner Valley was settled by Chinese, East Indian, and Texan immigrants. Explains why Alex has a texan drawl.
Those Texans sure got around, there are even Los Compadres franchises in the belt.
What is also different with this show is that a lot of the hints actually have things, already planned, that will tie back in, whereas a mystery box seemed like the reveal / solution was ret-conned because a real solution to the mystery was not sufficiently developed at the time when it was introduced.
The main danger of Vacuum is your lungs collapsing if you try to hold air in. If you exhale fully you can stay conscious for like 30s of vacuum expositiong.
not 30, more like 15, but you are correct, exhaling is necessary
The danger is all the water in your blood turning into gas and traveling into your brain.
@@murciadoxial8056 We have an extremely limited sample size on vacuum exposure, and they are nearly universally accidents. Not exactly a good study on the limits of human vacuum exposure to drawn concrete conclusions on. Though, I don't see a line of volunteers for potentially lethal vacuum exposure experiments anywhere.
Re: Light and dark. You are sooo right! Rewatching these eps, there's stuff the creators are COUNTING on you to have forgetten, but the twists at the end of the show were there from the very start. Also don't let the more passionate fans get you down. They just want you to love it like they do.
Hey, Nerdy Nightly, I saw another reactor to this show mention you this week!
A rather good reactor, who is almost done watching season 5, is now watching your own reactions to the same show! That's how good this series is! I'm liking your reactions a lot... intelligent, insightful, and genuine. Glad you're enjoying it, too! ;-]
With the empitness left when the show is over, you gotta do what you gotta do😁
@@dennistomsen5822 lol, you're not wrong about that! I suppose that's why we're here, too, huh?! ;-]
I caught that too! Funnylilgal has been powering through the expanse. I kind of dread when she gets to the end. It will feel like it’s all over again…but then I have these two to keep it going.
@@crystalfire5564 Poor girl is gonna ball her eyes out! She's gonna need TWO boxes of Kleenex for sure! ;-]
@@crystalfire5564 As soon as I read a rather good reactor I knew instantly it was Angela! Became a patron because she encapsulates how I felt the first time watching this incredible story unfold :)
The Rocinante (formerly known as the MCRN corvette Tachi) is indeed one of the stars of the show and the new chosen home for our former ice haulers ("Remember the Cant!") Holden, Naomi, Amos, and Alex. A legitimate salvage. 😄
I see a mini Rossi in the background in the future
"You can't do that"
Yeah, you can. Just as long as you don't take more than a few seconds and don't hold your breath. You start to lose conscienousness in 10 to 15 seconds. The guy was clearly experienced on how to handle vaccum - he exhales before opening the helmet so he won't have air inside his lungs, which is the biggest imediate danger. He likely thought the lose wire was a bigger problem than a few seconds in a vacuum. You don't freeze instantly to death when thrown into space like in Marvel movies and such. That's probably why that scene exists, to adress such misconceptions from less accurate space operas. :)
Although you'll lose conscience far quicker than that, you can actually survive for up to 90 seconds with proper preparation (lowering the pressure on the suit slowly, breathing all the air in your lungs out, etc.), though it will be very painful as the water on your tissues starts boil and expand, making the tissues swell. You'll also eventually go blind. But if you're rescued in under 90 seconds you'll likely survive without permanent damage.
Cheers!
P.S.: I just saw several peeps mentioned this before me - didn't mean to be redundant, I just had the video page loaded as it came out and didn't refresh it after watching to see the comments before writing mine. Sorry about that.
"he exhales before opening the helmet"
Watch it again. He does that while closing the helmet. Curious that everybody says the scene is right but doesn´t acknowledge this minor mistake. Pretty sure that this is one of those occasions where during post-production Naren or Ty caught it but it was too late to correct. Some of these wouldn´t have happened if they were present at the shoots.
Anderson Dawes is such a gem of a character. I'm so glad you're both enjoying the show! Love your reactions!
They started the Earth plot much earlier in the show than the books, so your criticisms are totally valid. It does make more narrative sense later.
Avarsarela has these intense conversations wherever she likes, though she does indeed have her own office. However, it is more difficult to bug a busy concourse.
Glad you're still enjoying the show!
Really glad you're enjoying the writing and acting! This is a character driven show. One thing that I can say with the upmost confidence is that you can completely trust these writers!
As far as acting, these actors just get better and better. Pay attention to the actor playing Amos. He does so much without much dialog.
Looking forward to the next one!
Fear not, this is not Lost. Great reaction video, you two 👍
Oh yeah, they absolutely stick the landing. No GOT Season 8 here.
Yes. Even though you think the earth stuff doesn’t make sense now it’s there for a specific purpose that’ll pay off later. Unlike Lost with the Nicki and Paulo side plot that went nowhere.
@@m.e.3862 That subplot went somewhere. The grave, where it belonged.
hint: every time you think something shown is not possible or bad cgi: assume you dont understand the physics of it and that it IS possible. The showrunners woudltn had included such a scene without backing up this stuff with science
The two creators of the books also where part of the writing team. Originally, they created this to be a game which fell through, so it ended up being books. All the science was checked with Astrophysics and Theoretical Physicists. One of the creators and the Actor that plays Amos have a YT channel which they go through each episode. Also they are reviewing The last of us and have some interesting points and thoughts if you are interested.
Ty and That Guy is great, but they're really bad with spoilers so not the best when someone is this early in the show
Well, classified conversation are better exchanged in random public places. Private offices can and are usually bugged, it's harder to bug conversation when you can't predict where and when the exchange will happen. And surveillance drone would cause a scene.
My favorite fun fact about this show is that the books it's based on were the result of a TTRPG game night that George R. R. Martin was a player in.
And ofc he played a dwarf
And Shed was a player that left the game.
@@kampfkeks6619 he had to head out?
…
I’ll be leaving now.
It's so funny that you don't feel like the Earth plot is connecting, because Earth and Avasarala are not in book one. That's interesting that you could pick up on the disconnect!
I'm not going to follow you on Patreon because I'm twice your ages and it would be a little creepy, but I am so enjoying watching you discover this show. I think all fans of the show had the same reaction to the first few and it's those (like myself) who came back to it are it's biggest fans. I'm not giving spoilers but you are going to LOVE Amos by the end, love Avasarala (yes the Earth-Mars stuff becomes much more interesting) and love Camina Drummer: All for the characters and the great acting by the cast. In The Expanse gravity and distance become both characters and sources of drama. It's going to be fun watching you react to the seasons. I'll leave you with: "Today I make history! Me! Maneo Jung-Esp..."
Belters frequently ran at lower pressures with higher O2 mixtures. Makes pressurizing and depressurizing take less time and risk less valuable gasses if there is a leak, also the ship's hull doesn't need to be as heavy, thus more fuel effecient... We did it in our space program as well. The most tragic experience is when we tried to run 100% O2 at 25% pressure, and unfortunately the whole test crew died in a fire. Since then we now run at higher pressures as fires become almost unpreventable at high to pure O2 environments.
After the horrific fire incident, the Apollo program stuck with the 100% O2 at about 5psi in space, but they slowly transitioned to it from normal sea level mixture and pressure during the ascent after launch.
@@MattNolanCustom thanks, yeah I didn't know that... I knew it was mainly to help with egress and ingress of a pressure vessel, less lost gasses, as they really didn't have an airlock on the Apollo missions... they just used a lost gas approach and vented their contained atmosphere, then refilled from stored gas once back in the lander. But I thought they fully gave up on the pure O2 as it was just too dangerous. perhaps that was later in the space program.
@@Hawkido You're welcome. They stuck with 5psi at least up to Skylab, though the ISS is run at 14.7psi, normal oxygen mix. They would have had to make the lunar modules stronger for a higher pressure and they couldn't afford that extra weight in terms of the extra fuel that the Saturn 5 and the LM itself would then need. Plus, the EVA suits they had then would have been even less flexible and more cumbersome at 14.7psi, the gloves especially.
@@MattNolanCustom oh, yeah, I had heard about the EVA suits being stiff at 1bar. I had forgotten about that. Thanks for being on-the-spot with the full story.
With regards to "you can't open your spacesuit in space," you absolutely can. it would happen exactly as shown. If you close it up again quickly, there's no issue. Remember they are way further out from the sun. Doing it in earth orbit, you'd get cooked, if facing the sun. but in the belt? easily done.
Yes, you CAN do that. Other than the Drive systems magic-science, the hard science is on LOCK.
People do not explode or instantly freeze. Inhaling or holding your breath is bad, but exhaling is the smart move to prevent damage.
Skin exposure is also not a problem, just don't touch something, especially something in shadow, or in direct sunlight.
Did you recognise the Nephew.... you have seen him before.... 'Stay away from the aqua'
One of the reasons I love watching reviews of The Expanse is listening to all the guessing about where the story is going. With most well written shows you should, by around this point, know fairly well where the story and the main characters are heading. The Expanse differs mostly due to its complexity. They wove the story, like braiding hair, first two threads are twinned together, then two more, then a fifth gets added before they are all joined together. However, just to be different, some extra loose threads are tossed in along the way, and others are pulled, not removed, but left dangling for some future use.
Love your reaction, please keep on enjoying this great show as it only gets better and better! One of the very few shows that builds and improves from the very first episode to the final episode of the final season.
4:38 "You can't do that."
Yes you can. If you do it right. And he did.
Mostly. Fully exhaling at the same time as he closed the helmet wouldn´t be the right way to do it, right?
@@mufana1 Lol, you are desperate.
In the "reality" of the books, Naomi Nagata is a foot-and-a-half taller than Holden though she does not way as much. Hard to convey differences in Earther, Martian, and Belter physique when your acting pool is fairly tight.
Especially when there's probably a very small handful of folks on earth who might have passable accurate belter builds
@@mintjulius275 And even smaller number of people that are actors, and good ones at that.
Unfortunately, the vacuum doesn't kill you instantly like most media displays. Someone who was born and raised in space would know how to take their helmet off for a few seconds without worry
Jared Harris does a wonderful job of presenting Anderson Dawes who seems to be a blend of Malcolm X and Don Vito Corleone.
Quick tip. Anything you think can't be done in real life that this show does, the show is probably right. We've all been miseducated by media for a long time.
Something I personally believe makes this first season a lot more fun ( certainly on a rewatch ) is to know that The Expanse books were initially based on a TTRPG groups adventure notes. So some of these episodes are loosely based on some of the sessions they might have had. For example it is believed ( I don't believe this is confirmed but I might be wrong ) Shed was a "main character" because he was being played by someone in the game only to have to leave the group and end up being unable to play for whatever reason thus his character gets written off. All of the characters fit a stereotypical party composition with Amos ( your beefy fighter) Alex ( your smooth talking pilot ) Naomi ( your skill person with tons of knowledge checks) Shed (your healer, who wasnt much of one because he was first level so of course he wasn't trained ) and lastly Holden ( your leader with charisma and some basic jack of all trade skills). I think it sheds a light on things like why Fred Johnson sent them alone with no one to watch them because it was just the party getting their first major quest objective.
I know that a large portion of the cast did rehearsals in their own free time to make things feel natural in the show. It's one of the big reasons this show is so good....
Don't worry, if you're thinking the show is slowing down, it is, just a bit. They're taking just a bit of time to flesh the characters out and introduce some new players. But it's the deep breath before the next big thing happens. And the next big thing is now about to be happening. The roller coaster just hit the top of the hill, and it's about to get WIIIILLLLDDDD!!! XD
Great reaction and congratulations on spotting Avasaralas spy on Tycho! Hanging out for the next one.
"One has to stand up." Remember that. It is important.
The DoP for this show is a guy named Jeremy Benning; he has been in charge of cinematography for all six seasons of The Expanse. He is incredibly talented and I'm convinced he's going to be super famous some day, if he isn't already.
No need to defend your comparative feelings about the episodes, obviously. Your opinions are your opinions. I will note, though, there is some irony in your opinion of the writing in Episode 5 vs. Episode 6. Episode 6 was credited to Jason Ning, who only ever wrote that one episode, whereas the writer for episode 5, Dan Nowak, went on to write more episodes of The Expanse over its six year run than anyone except Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck (the book authors) -- all three are tied with 15. Does that mean anything in the end? Probably not - all episodes are usually collaborative projects anyway, regardless of who gets official writing credit. I do agree the writing for episode 6 seems stronger, but I think that's more about how many things happen in that episode than the writing itself. Also, any episode with a Jared Harris monologue in it can't help but be awesome.
Jeremy Benning is also one of the most collaborative and inclusive DOPs in the industry. He was hugely important to the show's success but you'd never ever know it on set.
He doesn't have Super-Important DOP Swagger. He has a welcome mat and a story to tell.
@@AngeloBarovierSD Always nice to know somebody whose creative work you admire turns out to be a decent person as well. Thanks for that. Do I take it you have some personal experience with Mr. Benning?
@@tonycamas9747 I do. I was nuthin nobody nowhere on the crew. And every interaction I ever had with him or that I observed was cordial, even when there was urgency. He was always the calm in the centre of the storm.
During the first season, the show spends quite some time trying to correct a lot of misconceptions the viewers might have about space - including about exposure to vacuum.
In the books, you get to read exactly why she hired Miller. He's an aging, overweight, depressed loser who could have been a great detective. She chose him because the chances of him NOT figuring things out were very high.
You can survive in open vacuum without a suit, just not for very long.
"you can't do that" says uneducated youtuber about show with a huge science research team behind it.
With proper preparation (pre-breathing, making sure your lungs are empty, etc) a human can survive about a minute in total vaccuum, though they'd only have useful consciousness for about half of that.
Miller's boss assigned him to that task because she assumed he would fail. When he came to her with information that Julie Mao had left Ceres, she told him to stop his investigation and "enjoy [his] tax-free bonus". She's been OPA from the start, but also works for Star Helix Security (partly owned by Julie's father). She probably didn't know what happened to Julie until Miller told her, but was told by Dawes to assign someone who wouldn't be able to track her down.
I dunno if you caught it, but the nephew that was thrown out the airlock is the kid that was stealing water on Ceres that Miller let go.
Listening to Nerdy talk about some of the things that he doesn't really like, I keep thinking that I'm glad the writers didn't do those things his way. I think the show would be a lot less interesting and compelling if so many things were made as clear as he wants them to be. After all, there are plenty shows that make things that obvious and it is clear how everything ties together, but they don't have half the kind of devoted following that The Expanse does, and that is not just a coincidence.
yeah you could open your helmet in space for a few seconds, just fine.
My favorite line of this ep was when Dawes said, If Julie were here right now, she'd spit in your face. You could tell that was like a gut punch to Miller. Those Miller/ Dawes scenes were some of my favorite acting in this season.
You're about the only reactors who immediately linked the neck tats to Dawes' neck scars. That's some pretty cool backstory. You can also tell that Diogo's Uncle has an old patched up, broken down space suit, which is pretty much the norm for "Rock Hoppers". From generations of working in space, they're used to doing quick, on the fly repairs and patch jobs in the vacuum of space.
In relation to the Earth plot. In the books Earth and the characters don't appear until book 2. Bringing things forward does give the writers to set up some later characters and plots ahead of time. That's why you might be feeling they are a bit disconnected as what is happening in the Belt is a coherent whole.
The interesting thing is that the writers of the novels were in the writing room, and for me it seems that they took the chance to go back and hone stuff from their earlier novels in the book series with the hindsight gained from where they were currently at in writing the novels.
The kid stealing water on Sirius was the kid who’s uncle ejected him from the ship…it was a mercy, he was saving him.
10:40 her offices are most assuredly bugged and not for private conversations. Walking in crowded busy areas is a good defense against eavesdropping.
you'll find each episode has a tendency to "expand" the story's scope. sometimes that means setting up future events but most of this is relevant to the entire story, very little fat to trim in this series and no threads get dropped, these early seasons culminate into the one thread which is satisfying. even the side stories are there to enrich the main plot & make a point. gives a lot of depth to the world imo.
I think around 23:00 you said it best on how you should watch the show. I never want to spoil anything for anyone, part of the thrill lies in where it takes you (you are in for a ride, btw!) it's pure enjoyment! I knew nothing about this show when I first saw it, and you truly get their perspective and, most importantly, when their perspectives change throughout the series. I'm so happy you're watching this, you'll love it!!
If you ever get around to reading the books (I'm sure many have already recommended them to you by now) you'll know why they NEED to make seasons 7-9!
Amos is such an interesting character, because he *knows* his moral compass is almost completely missing, so he seeks out people like Naomi who seem like good people to him, and follow their lead.
Don't sweat some of the comments, you're both just about where most of us were on first watch at this point. Hell, I stopped watching 3 eps in originally and came back to it on recommendations and now its my favorite show of all time. Enjoying the reactions, thanks!
The writers of the books were the writers for this episode, so that's probably why everything feels so right.
Another fun reaction! - always love watching people try to figure out where the show is going (just like we all did 1st time watching it) 😁
Avasarala is used to working behind the scenes to find out info that people really don’t want revealed. She’s very high up in the government - I think she’s 3rd in line - but she can operate without a lot of the restrictions “normal” politicians have to respect, & this can sometimes get her in a little trouble. 😏
I love that this story spends time on showing the political side of things, both the larger state level groups (Earth, Mars etc) & down to the more local issues within the different factions/ groups in the Belt. They do a great job showing how all that works together - Big decisions get made & it affects everyone -& individuals can do one little thing that can end up affecting everyone in the system…. 🚀
Thanks!
No thank you! That is incredibly kind of you!
guys,that immersing into the setting, where you don't need to ask every sentence meaningan djust go with it,comes quite fast. latest in season 2 you will understand whats going on like every day stuff. the hard part is when the show is over and you are still immersed 🙂
Nerdy Spacesuits opening: Liquid on the skin boils off but you can survive in vacuum as long as you aren't exposed long. You also might have capillaries burst but be relatively okay.
A note about the writing of the first season. The authors of the books, were brand new to TV, they had never really written anything screenplay wise prior to this. So they had a little bit of a rocky start on the writing, it gets SO much better.
I love seeing all the Expanse fans rushing to tell you: Yes, you can do that! One of the things this series seeks to do is counterprogram the unscientific fallacies of other sci-fi. Artificial gravity is way beyond our technological capacity. And, yes, the vacuum of space wouldn't instantly kill you. You would want to be looking away from the sun and you'd need to exhale first.
Apparently you can open your helmet in space. Foreshadowing to S5 - you’ll know the moment! There’s a whole discussion around it by the Expanse science geeks
From a production standpoint, a lot of extras will have poorly fitting overalls, but when you work in space, and you might need to get into a pressure suit really, really fast, baggy clothing will get you killed. In-universe, it would make a lot more sense for everyone who works in space to wear something more fitted, and they're going to be largely synthetic fabrics; the cost of getting cotton or whatever up from Earth and out to the Belt would be prohibitive. They can probably make something more like cotton than polyester, but this is goling out into the rough and I should stop this line of thought now.
Anyway.
It's like the difference between getting your first couple of layers on when it's baltic out(long johns or leggings or whatever under regular breeks), which is piss easy, and then trying to put a 3rd layer over what you would normally wear.
So glad that you are loving this show. You are SO right. The writing of this show is great. Not all episode hit, but there are some GREAT episodes in this season...and they ONLY get better.
BTW, in the books, the Earth plot isn't until the second book. They brought Cristian Avasarala and the earth plot forward...so that we (the audience) would understand the three main groups in the solar system (Earth, Mars and Belters). It works in the book without Earth, but in the show it was needed. If you know, it is really spoon feeding you what you need to know for the moment.
I just wish that you would start watching TWO of these episodes a week. I know it is a selfish ask, but to get you further into the show. We need to see you when all the shit hits the fan.
Love your reactions. Thanks for being a part of our (wife and I) viewing habits. Talk to you, soon.
“You can’t do that!”
It turns out you can.
And that will play important roles in seasons to come.
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Fred Didn't think the Roci's crew had full control of the Ship that's why he thought he had the upper hand on them
Didn't think of that myself. Great catch 👍
If you go to "chat" with somebody in their office, they are expecting it. Catch them out in the open (though) & not only are they off guard, but they can't make a scene.
The scene with Uncle Mateo opening his helmet briefly draws a lot of comments from reactors who have “learned” their space science from the tropes of other shows and movies. That included me at first. Other commenters have explained how it is, indeed, possible, so I won’t repeat any of that here.
What I have learned is, if the science of The Expanse runs counter to other shows, it’s safest to assume The Expanse is correct. The authors/producers have said that perhaps the most unbelievable thing on the show if that the engines aren’t hot enough to melt the ships.
Fun fact: Avasarala isn’t even in the first book. Her story is more of a backstory they added in the first season so we get used to her. But don’t worry, she’s going to be a huge character and definitely a fan favorite.
Yeah, the opening your faceplate to the vacuum of space is possible - it is not necessarily advisable, but it is possible.
Also, this Season is the first TV Adaptation the Author ever made, so some things are a bit rocky. for example the flow of time isn't necessarily shown to the viewer as well as it is shown to the reader. I think for example between episode 5 and 6 were at least multiple days if not weeks that were just travel time for the Roci Crew and normal investigative work without clear results and development of obsession/love for Miller.
Form fitting work suits & a safe with combination & finger reader combo should be easy that far into the future.
I'm going to be very very interested in what you have to say about the Earth plot going forward. It's quite different than the rest of the show, but your take I'm looking forward to.
I'm sure you know already, but just in case you don't, as you follow this series, Amos is more lovingly referred to as "Murder Snuggles" (No Spoilers). I can't pick a favorite character because so many are fantastic as F, but Amos leads his own, personal Fan Category. Looking forward to reliving this ride this ride with y'all!
The writing of this show is incredible. The writers (from Ty & Daniel, down to the series writers room) play a long con, and they only get better from here. 1.1-1.3 aren't perfect, but they do some incredibly heavy lifting/world building of challenging source material to adapt to TV. Anybody who can make it to 1.4 gets paid off. The list of incredibly important Easter Egg's you have already seen for future episodes would fill a book. This is the smartest, best acted, and coherent Science Fiction series of all time. You will see. Enjoy:)
Think of it as a puzzle. Each episode is a piece. Not all of them can be corners and edges.
or doors and corners 😉 you gotta watch those
Avasarala wasn't a character until the second book of the series, so the tv series had to come up with her plot whole cloth, before she shows up on-page, which might be why her plot doesn't seem to be as focused or like it's spinning its wheels. I think it's the next episode or two when it really begins coalescing itself.
If I remember right the earth plot doesn't appear until book 2, so to have it in season 1 can sometimes feel like they're stretching it out. Usually saved by the performance but I did like seeing other perspectives
Another good one. I really like watching all the different reactors. I find it really interesting to listen to new takes and get some new viewpoints. Oh don't know if it was mentioned but Diogo was the water thief Miller let go on Ceres.
Nerdy: "You cannot open your space suit"
Me: Wait til Season 5
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Dude that's a huge spoiler man! do the right thing and edit out this season five reference and let them see it all for themselves. I love this show just as much as any screaming Firehawk so that's why it's so important that we hold our tongues on future happenings. How would you feel if someone spoiled it for you? Thanks I hope you change it when you can
All the commenters about being exposed to vacuum are partially right, but the way they showed it in this episode was still too casual, and still potentially deadly. His helmet being open for that long wouldn't kill him *if* he exhaled fully, but it would cause his lungs to collapse temporarily, capillaries to burst, eyes to momentarily change shape, all the moisture on his skin and in his mouth would boil away, put him at risk of pulmonary edema, etc. They show vacuum exposure more realistically later in the series
They used an incident that happened at NASA as a reference for that scene. During suit testing a man was exposed to vacuum when a hose came loose. He was conscious for about 15 seconds before passing out and they got to him within about 30 seconds. He had no damage whatsoever. Went to lunch after and came back to work for the rest of the day.
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Can we stop with the spoilers?? They are reactors and will remember bits and pieces, especially Clarus! Do the right thing and edit out this season five reference and let them see it all for themselves. I love this show just as much as any screaming Firehawk so that's why it's so important that we hold our tongues on future happenings. How would you feel if someone spoiled it for you? Thanks I hope you change it when you can