FYI The budget didn't change. Amazon had nothing to do with the production, That was still ALCAN. Amazon had provided a rendering engine, but according to the show runner the main reason for the improvement in the look of the fourth season was that the production team had gotten better with the post production.
Not only that, as an Amazon-sponsored production, they got access to the company's massive server-farm, so they could do much more sophisticated work on not much more budget.
As Ty Franck once said in a podcast (can't remember which one) about why the roci lands on hot steam thrusters rather than the main drive: "so we had some discussions and decided that the Roci landing in a self-made crater-lake of magma while flattening the settlement with nuclear-strength blast-shockwaves was a bad idea. And that was the end of any pushback on that front". This show knows very well who its audience is, which, as one of "those people", makes me love and respect it all the more. Oh, and if you're wondering why no-one is even thinking of messing with the roci this season, well there's your answer. That warship's engine alone can kill everyone on Illus in a snap.
In the book, they land it on the side, changing the floors into walls and vice-versa (well, for a quarter of the walls, anyway). Not only does landing on its tail make a lot more sense in-universe, but it meant they didn't have to rebuild all the Roci sets in rotated versions
I rather like that the first planet Naomi set foot on wasn't Earth or Mars, but an exoplanet. And they did a really good job of making Ilus feel not like Earth.
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The previous poster is right ...The Normies were extremely influential in getting this series another shot; at least as far as TH-cam is concerned. The creators of the series created a character after one of The Normies reactors. That community was instrumental in helping the series continue on and the creators of "The Expanse" specifically watched their reactions to the series as it developed. It was one of the few reaction channels at the time reacting to the series that was big enough to throw around some weight for the creators to take notice. I will never forget and will always have positive vibes towards that reaction channel because of how they handled this series.
In the books, the Roci does actually land horizontally, it's mentioned several times that the walls become the floors. Obviously for TV purposes, it was easier to just have the ship land vertically, which makes more logical sense anyway.
On the one side of the model (the side with the comm array) there are even vented thrusters (6 vstol style) for such a landing. The thing in the books was that walls and floor would reconfigure for the purpose. The way the did it in the show is more practical. I just wish that the off-market landing rig wasn’t as obviously a custom, non standard mod.
@@davidbergfors6820 The concept has been around since the at least the 1950’s. It’s just that the book authors had one type of ship design in their heads when writing the books, and they and the others behind the show came up with a different design, and reconfigurable walls, floors and such aren’t practical.
18:08 The Roci got several upgrades since the ring, one being the ability to land on planets with engine mounted landing gear scaffolding, and the main upgrade, a spinal-mounted rail cannon. In universe, most rail cannons are turret mounted on larger battleships, but since Mars is de-comissioning their war-fleet, rail cannons can be had cheap, and the Rocinantes spinal-mounted rail cannon is pure custom installed (thanks to Fred Johnson wanting the Roci crew to do him "special" jobs now and then). There might only be a handful or less ships in the entire universe Roci sized with a rail gun. They of course have to point the entire ship in the direction they want to fire, but still.
The scene of the Roci landing and Naomi walking on a planet for the first time was how Amazon announced the airdate for this season. It was amazing. This season goes places. That's all I'm gonna say.
Really the only big change in production was that Amazon lent the show their server farm for processing the digital effects and film. It wasn't more money, it was just a lot more processing power for a much cleaner and clear video. When Bobby says, "See ya Rana." That name wasn't in the books, the show runner confirmed they named her for Rana of the Normies. They used to watch them react to episodes in the writers room all the time.
Bobbie "did what military command told her to" until her face-off with Alex and Amos, during which she went rogue and killed one of her own team. That can be seen as treason. Also, Bobbie's arc this season follows the story from the novella "Gods of Risk."
Bobbie didn't kill anyone on her team, she fought one of her team, got shot by her, and kicked her in the head, but it was Amos who shot someone on her team. It's still treason, though, since she disobeyed orders and sided with the supposed enemy.
So just a point, this is a bit different than the Alaskan gold rush in that during this one, the prospectors aren't just risking their lives. The grizzly bears these prospectors might run into might be carrying nuclear weapons. Twice now, humanity has been in the crosshairs of a species ending threat from these grizzlies. The protomolecule would have hijacked all life and repurposed it to build the ring, and the automatic defenses on the ring would have destroyed the entire system to eliminate a possibile threat. There's no telling what else someone might find on the other side of one of those rings. More protomolecule? A different existential threat we accidentally turn on? A superweapon that could make whoever found it unstoppable? And whoever made this stuff is powerful beyond our comprehension; they can bend physics and turn planetoids into space ships, what other kinds of horrors could we find? It's very probable that by this point there are only a handful of people actually in the know as much as Avasarala, who even come close to her level of understanding about the dangers humanity faces. But to her, and those who know what she does, every monkey who goes through one of those gates has the ability to press a button on a microwave they don't understand and start something that might destroy the entire human race. And that's not even counting what Holden mentioned last season. If the protomolecule race was *that* powerful... What about the things that killed them?
While it's certainly hard to argue that there isn't a fairly high chance of danger to all of humanity from expanding through the gates, I think banning anyone from going through was extremely short-sighted and only allowing corporate access doubly so. Even if everything was going well in the Solar System at that point, which it wasn't, there are going to be thousands upon thousands of people willing to run that blockade. A better solution would have been to provide assistance and guidance to anyone who wanted to go. Let the people who wanted to go, and send a military contingent to protect them (not as police, but to help with external threats, post them at the gate, if that help is rejected), probably send some scientists too. Isolationism never works out in the long run, it's basically denial as a foreign policy.
Your sentiment reminded of a dialogue from Schlock Mercenary where they find tech from extremely advanced long lost intergalactic civilisation ,a possible weapon to be exact. They lamented that this is like finding a spent rifle cartridge the size of a planet. It quickly dawned on them that the scariest thing about what they find is that someone had the reasons to build a gun that fired ammunition the size of planets and HAD fired in it at something in the past in self defense, obviously it didn't work and that civilisation was wiped out. Another thing it reminds me of was of that graphic novel where astronauts and scientists exploring Europa find an entire city of gigantic aliens in stasis pods under Europa's ice with technologies that make human space program looked like neanderthal . The guy who translated the alien language were rather spooked by his work . One, because he find it too easy to translate thealine language cluing us the aliens are somewhat similar to human in their way of thinking . And secondly , he pointed out the the Inuits have 50 words for snows, indicating snow play important role in the culture. They barely translated a portion of the alien language and already found hundreds of words for "murder". Oh the alien seem to be waking up .
More than being the first season on Amazon, this is most of all the first time a new season fits with the beginning of a new book... well, since season 1 at least I guess. I'd like to make a point regarding the "New Terra" argument though... you're ironically being a bit anglocentrist in that Nerdy, as yes, our planet is not called "Terra" in "English" but it actually is in most latin languages, like the Moon is called Luna. :)
Wait?! (Hits pause) CLARUS?! *You know Steve?!* Ahahaha! That’s great! He was also in one of my short films (written, directed, and produced by another Expanse alum) and is a lovely man. He’s very committed to his craft and you’re lucky to have him as a teacher.
You may notice that the shots on Ilus are in super widescreen while the stuff set in space, on Earth and on Mars are shot in the standard aspect ratio.
The thing with Naomi staying in orbit around Earth is because that was only ever meant to be a short stop while they were taking on supplies at the Moon. They are intending to be on Ilus indefinitely and they didn't make the decision to go there until after they arrived at Earth. It didn't make sense for Naomi to put herself through weeks worth of adaption medicine for a short visit to Holden's parents but it's necessary for their new venture.
“But Terra is not what we call this planet.” WRONG that’s an ENGLISH concete. This planet is called Terra in Portuguese and Italian (ESP important for Italian, as “Terra” is LATIN from Rome). This planet is Terre (only a slight difference in spelling, same pronunciation) in Spanish and French. We LITERALLY live on TERRA.
@@MattNolanCustomI don't think it's uncommon to use Latin nomenclature in English sentences. But Nova is indeed Latin that is often used in English as well. The very name Super Nova is English and Latin. So you may not like the naming, but it's not inconsistent with RL.
@@BrunoBarata78 I'm just being pedantic about people being pedantic. If you're going to question why it is "New Terra" when there isn't an original Terra in English, then why don't you also question why not Terranova, Neo Gaia, Le Monde Nouveau, etc.?
And it does make sense that factions made of cosmopolitan factions would use such name, as the history of colonization proved (New Zealand, Nouvelle Calédonie, Nouvelle-Orléans, Terre-Neuve, etc)
Already mentioned before. But Tera or Terra is Earth in Latin and latin languages. Mixing English and Latin isn't really a problem, we already have tons of terms like that in current use. And you can't really call it Terra Nova, because that's America (the continent). Edit: my memory failed me a bit. The Americas were called Novo Mundo (New World), Terra Nova is the island known in English as Newfoundland.
@@MattNolanCustom, the television series does not explain where the railgun came from, but rather refer to it by name and show it operating in the first episode of this season.
@@LeeCarlson I know that about the TV show and this episode. Am I to infer from your answer that the Protogen and Tycho information is explicit in the books then? It's been a while since I read them and I don't remember those details.
@@MattNolanCustom, a great deal of this is inferred because both the Martian commander of the Donnager and Fred Johnson comment that ships the size of the stealth ships do not have railguns, and Tycho station is the only place that the Roci has work done.
@@LeeCarlson hmm. Sounds like personal speculation to me rather than anything based on decent evidence. In the books (Abbadon's Gate, chapter 1) the Roci crew are flush with money from side-gigs and are spending some of it on ship upgrades. The keel-mounted railgun is mentioned fairly casually by Alex as a request. No more details other than that it gets implemented. That makes it sound like a run-of-the-mill thing in the books. Just because it is unusual on ships as small as the Anubis, doesn't mean it isn't difficult. In a large Navy you don't need railguns on the small ships. Also, Amos gets some engine upgrades from Callisto, which is a Martian outpost, not Tycho. In the TV show, they are nowhere near Tycho at the time the Railgun appears, but it appears at the same time as Avasarla clearing their legal issues over the "legitimate salvage" and asking them to go to Ilus. It would make more sense to me that they had the work done at the Bush Naval Shipyards (in orbit of Earth or Luna, IIRC) where the Protogen stealth ships were made. No need to reverse engineer when you already have the blueprints and Avasarala would be in a position to finance / approve it. And when did Tycho get the chance to reverse engineer the Protogen ships? The only one left as far as we know was shot to bits by the Roci in the assault on Thoth Station and left drifting for a short while before Fred sent the location info to Avasarala. Amos gets the landing gear and other mods for operating in atmosphere done by "a guy he knows on Luna" so that also goes against your call that the Roci only ever has work done on Tycho. You're making reasonable guesses, but I think your inference is off.
My friend Patti is in this season! She had a blast on the show 😊 One of the most fun things was when her name was listed, book fans were quick to speculate on who she might be. Top pick was Basia's Wife. Close!
Clarus is onto stuff. Burn is amazing in this role. This season is a Phoenix for original/book/supporter fans. I read after season One on Scifi, and it is worth watching first, in its glory. Then read.
20:02 they did a teaser for this season in the summer of 2019 to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the first moon landing. it ended with this scene of the roci landing and Naomi stepping out and the voiceover was John F. Kennedy's speech about going to the moon. it really got everyone incredibly hyped up for this new season, especially in the wake of the cancellation
If I remember correctly, the change in production was finalized even before they had a wrap party on season 3, so the change in staff and workflow was minimal.
You should know that in more extreme belter circles the idea of a collective up + down is offensive. In zero g everyone is all different directions, and trying to match another person's orientation is kind of an inner thing to do!
People tend to dislike this season because is a bit to the side of the main themes of The Expanse, not being so directly about space stuff, but for me this is the single best written season of the show. It might not have the huge moments other season have, but the writing is just perfect, there isn't a single wasted plot point, a single wasted moment in this season. Also, the Western flavor in Ilus plot doesn't really hurt the show either.
My least favorite season. In the opening episode, everyone stays where they are. Less space stuff, and no consequences for what happens on New Terra. Looking forward for their reactions though. 😃
@@LezArtist5iG Yeah, that's one of the unfortunate things about the last 3 books not being adapted, the Ilus stuff is crucial for the last three books, with the scientist even being a POV.
There is a planet called Terra. Its Earth. Also called Sol III, Tellus, Gaia and many more as much as their are different languages. Terra would be the more Latin mythological name.
@@MattNolanCustom Depends on the language if a descriptive adjective is even used. Most of us coming off of Latin roots would be novus or the Roman nov. It would probably be added to the word like novterra or terranovas. However now language is so wide ranging putting the "new" description on a word is not for some languages. That is just how us in the western world think.
@@MattNolanCustom It's not a matter of right or wrong. People who use the word for Earth now would do something to distinguish the two. People not familiar with the world would say that is different enough. Official organizations would probably put more thought into it and be aware of what Terra already means. Some may call it Bob. Language would honestly settle on something that made understanding simple. For those who know Terra means Earth. It is the root that gives us many other words like terrestrial. Terra Nova is used in languages now for fantasy stories and real place names.
I think the time to travel to Illus gave Naomi more time to use the boone enhancing drugs vs the trip to earth, which would have been a shorter visit as well. I don't remember if it's explicitly stated in the book but that was the impression I got.
I'm pretty sure Illus has a lower surface gravity than Earth which is one of the reasons the Belters chose it as a colony (though I don't remember if they had much of a choice, I think they were just running as fast as they could through ringspace.
@@StarkRG the physiology of any decent sized population is going to have a bell curve, as is their response to drugs and exercise regimes. Some will struggle, some will be OK, some will not be able to handle it at all.
@@MattNolanCustom There is a Terra, earth is also called terra, even in english speaking countries in scientific charts and descriptions, so there can be a new terra
I like when these two react to something they don't know anything about. They can actually react, unlike so many other things (wheel of time, lord of the rings, etc). They still focus on small details to complain, but their reaction is done well.
That "just went for the food" scene reminds me when Bobby was offered cucumbers in S2E12 and she just went for it and started stuffing her face with it. Must be a martian thing.
So the Roci now has an after-market keel-mounted railgun(That was the moon-destroying cannon you mentioned). The original Martian corvette-class didn't include that as standard equipment but the Roci's crew splurged a little bit, shall we say. ;) Also, the planetary-landing system for the Roci is aftermarket as well, including the landing gears and steam-powered descent thrusters. Interestingly, in the books, the Roci is already capable of planetary landings, but she does land on her belly in that version, which means all the walls become floors. Most of the ship's control stations and crash couches are designed to rotate and reorient themselves so they are usable while the ship is horizontal. And now this show has moved into a place that is TRULY alien. Ilus is a place that humans probably can't fully understand. And we just recklessly decided to try to live there because it happens to have breathable air and *kind of* drinkable water.
My one and only complaint about season 4 would be that they never really delt with the scale of a planet to my liking. It is one thing to argue over minerals in say an asteroid, it is totally different to have 100+ people lay claim to an entire Earth sized planet. That little nit-pick aside, this season rocks and the next two just keep getting better and better! One of the very few shows that actually has a fantastic ending to the entire series.
One thing I think they've really internalized is that resources are finite. I'm definitely not saying either side is correct, but it explains why they're adamant about it.
The books might have done a better job explaining things. I just wish the show had even a single line about this location being the only one with the resource on the planet. It kind of comes off, for me at least, like finding oil in Texas and the entire world invading because they couldn't be bothered looking for it anywhere else on Earth. Planets are big.@@aftonforred3685
This is Terra that we're sitting on. We call it earth as it translates from the Latin name Terra, the Goddess Mother Earth the same way all the other system 8odies have Latin names such as Luna (Moon) Sol (sun) Mercury, Venus etc.
Hah, I remember when I first saw Lost, I was convinced the smoke monster was a nanomachine swarm, and up until the last couple seasons, everything in the show kinda just let me continue thinking that :P
@@aftonforred3685true but since they are romance languages the term is just a hand me down of the language tree. Plus using a term that multiple languages recognize makes sense. To be honest I've seen earth called Terra in so much sci fi that it doesn't even register as a thing for me. Could just desensitized.
@@christopherkowalczyk4405 honestly, I wonder why they don't call it Gaia. The Greeks first theorized about a spherical planet. Then again, the Romans just kind of took over a lot of Greek ideas.
@@aftonforred3685 you got it with the Romans taking over Greek ideas. Plus the same reason why English is so widespread around the world. The English empire brought the language so many places and the locals had to become handy with it. The Romans spread Latin all over Europe and the catholic church making it their official language forever and a day spread it past Europe and into their colonies. The Greeks never had a chance to do something like that, aside from it being used in the orthodox church. I could be really wrong on that point though.
Heh . . . RE: Avasarala's swearing . . . I will say it was nice to have her FULLY in character on the show. Her foul mouth was one of the more charming aspects of her book persona that got a bit diluted on the early seasons. :-)
If you think Avisarala is swearing a lot in this Season: you have to read the books. This here is the toned-down version of how she's talking there. And I loved that they kept the "don't put your d*** in it" quote in the series, it's one of my favourites.
The planet's name is a bit more complicated than simple elitism. The Belters from Ganymede would be considered an illegal, claim jumping settlement. Calling the planet by the name "Ilus" would be implicitly legitimizing the Belter setllers controversial claim (which is not even really supported the OPA). Admittedly, "New Terra" is an uninspired choice. You are being a bit of an anglophile about the name of the planet. The name "Earth" in English comes from English's germanic roots. In romance languages, the name for our planet is a variation on the Latin "Terra", and might be the default choice for a lingua franca name. After all, we are only assuming English remains the language of busniess and transportation in "The Expanse" future.
True, but it's still wrong if you ask me. Whether Terra came from Latin, Portuguese or whichever language, the word for "New" should have come from there too. It's been established that Belter creole mixes all sorts of languages together. We've only seen Earther and Martian characters speaking straight English, as far as I can recall, not a mixture.
This season is the first I think that suffers from things missing or changed in the book (but not much) including my favorite romantic minor character/subplot in all of fiction. I can't go into specifics due to spoilers but I hope you pick up the books one day.
lol let’s be real in this scenario nerdy and clarus would be the ones complaining about the wifi connection in the middle of a humanitarian crisis. And nerdy would sell clarus out in a second if it got him outta there 😂
The books refer to 73 days from Medina to Illus. So yeah, fair to assume it took similar to go Earth to Medina. Reinforcements were quoted at being 18 months away, which seems a lot.
@@Mannchini I think the reinforcement being 18 months away was while... SPOILER WARNING... . . . . . ...fusion being shut down in the Ilus system. No fusion means no Epstein Drive and a much MUCH slower travel time from the Ilus ring to the planet.
Oh right, "mean comments down below." People that aren't gonna watch full-length: you think they missed the landing gear and railgun installs 'cause they're bad reactors that don't pay attention or were they too distracted by whatever joke they were telling each other?
Which is why everyone the entire time for three seasons has called it Earth and Luna. Not once have they referred to Earth as Terra. I get that Nerdy's comment is somewhat anglocentric, but if you want to call something "New Earth" in Latin or a romance language, you'd also use that language's word for "New", not mix English and another language.
I dont think Alex blew up a moon, it was just a stray asteroid. I dont think it was clear from the dialogue. Its a mini railgun, but nowhere near that powerful that it can crack a moon. I dontthink its wise to start firing at protomolecule moons regardless.
And now you guys get to know the sub-genre of this season. There is only one best type of frontier story -- and that's a *Western* . In fact, the setup for this situation comes from a *particular* Western -- and that Western is "A Fistful of Dollars," the first of Sergio Leone's epic "Dollars" trilogy. A small frontier town with two violently feuding factions ready to kill each other at a moment's notice -- or none, at all -- and the Roci crew just walked into it. Don't worry, though. The authors will remind us, soon enough, that they know a thing or two about science, and what it might be like to try to colonize a new planet. A lot of people criticize this season because it marks such a radical shift in tone from the end of the last one. But, how could it not? The last season dropped a noval right in the middle of the setting, and changed it fundamentally. Now, they kinda have to tell the story about humanity adapting to the new paradigm as they spread out into a vast new frontier. As with Season 1, Season 4 must lay the groundwork for the rest of the series -- and it does that beautifully.
01:00 You're misinformed. First, the show has always been owned and produced by Alcon Entertainment, who licensed different rights to various platforms around the world to finance it. Amazon had the streaming rights for the US from the very beginning. In Europe, seasons 1 and 2 were on Netflix at first. SyFy had the first/live broadcast rights for the US. During broadcast of season 3, SyFy came to the conclusion that the numbers didn't add up for them. They announced their decision to not continue licensing the show on May 10th, 2018, after broadcast of S03E05 "Triple Point". And only 16 days later, on May 26th, 2018, it was announced that Amazon would be picking up the show. So, when S03E08 "It reaches out" first aired on May 30th, 2018, it was already known that there would be a season 4.
TERRA TERRARIUM TERRESTRIAL TERRAFORMING Notice a pattern? Even in Latin, the monkeys still have not evolved beyond calling their planet "dirt". Frontiers are inherently hazardous. Occupied or otherwise.
Oh that's my teacher in the show, that's funny... Like what?!?!? A basic "funny" is all out of that? 😜 For knowing more and more people in this awesome definitely in the future of sci Fi history immortal, essential TV show.... Then again i guess working in the movie industry you stumble across those sightings way more than us outside 😅 Rana is a homage to Rana from The Normies who were one, if not the, first ones reacting to the show extensively.
Fun fact, the first ever successful vertical landing took place between the writing of the book and the filming of this episode, the books have the Rocci landing horisontal, because even hard Sci-fi at that time hadn't envisioned a vertical landing thesible. it's actually funny we say "ah, that makes sense" now, because it really didn't just 10 years ago!
One of the questions I always had while reading the book was how the side thrusters were powerful enough to orient the Rocinante vertically while under high gravity. The vertical landing always made more sense. However, I did start reading the books after SpaceX started doing vertical landings, so that might be a part of it.
she did not do what military command told her to xD no one told her to kill her comrades and switch to holdens side xD she killed the other girl and let the guy get killed by switching sides
FYI The budget didn't change. Amazon had nothing to do with the production, That was still ALCAN. Amazon had provided a rendering engine, but according to the show runner the main reason for the improvement in the look of the fourth season was that the production team had gotten better with the post production.
that they were also freed from TV censorship helped quite a bit with the quality...
@@GarmrsBarking It was on cable... there wasn't that much censorship - they just bleeped out swears.
@@Timmayytoo sure, but I think more about what was and wasn't approved in the writing/production stage...
Not only that, as an Amazon-sponsored production, they got access to the company's massive server-farm, so they could do much more sophisticated work on not much more budget.
And the episode amount went down. So they had the money they usually spent on 13 going into 10.
As Ty Franck once said in a podcast (can't remember which one) about why the roci lands on hot steam thrusters rather than the main drive: "so we had some discussions and decided that the Roci landing in a self-made crater-lake of magma while flattening the settlement with nuclear-strength blast-shockwaves was a bad idea. And that was the end of any pushback on that front". This show knows very well who its audience is, which, as one of "those people", makes me love and respect it all the more. Oh, and if you're wondering why no-one is even thinking of messing with the roci this season, well there's your answer. That warship's engine alone can kill everyone on Illus in a snap.
In the book, they land it on the side, changing the floors into walls and vice-versa (well, for a quarter of the walls, anyway). Not only does landing on its tail make a lot more sense in-universe, but it meant they didn't have to rebuild all the Roci sets in rotated versions
Ty and That Guy!
I rather like that the first planet Naomi set foot on wasn't Earth or Mars, but an exoplanet.
And they did a really good job of making Ilus feel not like Earth.
As we embark on season 4, there are some fans who need to be recognized who helped to drive the Save The Expanse effort: Hanne (IRO), Kia, Michael Pea, Alex, Ed, The Expanse Geeks, Shannon, Fadawah, Isonomist and so many others. It was their effort and passion that rallied Screaming Firehawks to give us three more seasons. See The Expanse Lives for more.
The Normies did so much work to support the show the producers named Bobbie's sister-in-law after Rana Mohammad, one of members of that group.
The previous poster is right ...The Normies were extremely influential in getting this series another shot; at least as far as TH-cam is concerned. The creators of the series created a character after one of The Normies reactors. That community was instrumental in helping the series continue on and the creators of "The Expanse" specifically watched their reactions to the series as it developed. It was one of the few reaction channels at the time reacting to the series that was big enough to throw around some weight for the creators to take notice.
I will never forget and will always have positive vibes towards that reaction channel because of how they handled this series.
In the books, the Roci does actually land horizontally, it's mentioned several times that the walls become the floors. Obviously for TV purposes, it was easier to just have the ship land vertically, which makes more logical sense anyway.
On the one side of the model (the side with the comm array) there are even vented thrusters (6 vstol style) for such a landing. The thing in the books was that walls and floor would reconfigure for the purpose. The way the did it in the show is more practical. I just wish that the off-market landing rig wasn’t as obviously a custom, non standard mod.
Actually it only makes sense recently, vertical landings are such a new concept that they didn't even imagine it when the books were written.
@@davidbergfors6820 The concept has been around since the at least the 1950’s. It’s just that the book authors had one type of ship design in their heads when writing the books, and they and the others behind the show came up with a different design, and reconfigurable walls, floors and such aren’t practical.
@@eds1942 Oh, idk, I rather like the aftermarket landing struts.
@@davidbergfors6820 Someone better tell NASA that then. Can't imagine how the Lunar Module landed and took off again...
Earth is Terra. like the Moon is Luna and the sun is Sol
Finally Avasarala gets to swear like a sailor, just like in the books.
18:08 The Roci got several upgrades since the ring, one being the ability to land on planets with engine mounted landing gear scaffolding, and the main upgrade, a spinal-mounted rail cannon. In universe, most rail cannons are turret mounted on larger battleships, but since Mars is de-comissioning their war-fleet, rail cannons can be had cheap, and the Rocinantes spinal-mounted rail cannon is pure custom installed (thanks to Fred Johnson wanting the Roci crew to do him "special" jobs now and then). There might only be a handful or less ships in the entire universe Roci sized with a rail gun. They of course have to point the entire ship in the direction they want to fire, but still.
The scene of the Roci landing and Naomi walking on a planet for the first time was how Amazon announced the airdate for this season. It was amazing.
This season goes places. That's all I'm gonna say.
Where? This season goes nowhere. Everyone stays where the season starts.
@@LezArtist5iG just because they physically end up in the same place doesn't mean a LOT doesn't happen this season.
@@CurseMyMetalHand Really? Name ten things that change during the season. Without spoiling Miller. lol
Really the only big change in production was that Amazon lent the show their server farm for processing the digital effects and film. It wasn't more money, it was just a lot more processing power for a much cleaner and clear video.
When Bobby says, "See ya Rana." That name wasn't in the books, the show runner confirmed they named her for Rana of the Normies. They used to watch them react to episodes in the writers room all the time.
That is amazing. 🎉😂😲
Bobbie "did what military command told her to" until her face-off with Alex and Amos, during which she went rogue and killed one of her own team. That can be seen as treason. Also, Bobbie's arc this season follows the story from the novella "Gods of Risk."
Bobbie didn't kill anyone on her team, she fought one of her team, got shot by her, and kicked her in the head, but it was Amos who shot someone on her team. It's still treason, though, since she disobeyed orders and sided with the supposed enemy.
So just a point, this is a bit different than the Alaskan gold rush in that during this one, the prospectors aren't just risking their lives. The grizzly bears these prospectors might run into might be carrying nuclear weapons.
Twice now, humanity has been in the crosshairs of a species ending threat from these grizzlies. The protomolecule would have hijacked all life and repurposed it to build the ring, and the automatic defenses on the ring would have destroyed the entire system to eliminate a possibile threat. There's no telling what else someone might find on the other side of one of those rings. More protomolecule? A different existential threat we accidentally turn on? A superweapon that could make whoever found it unstoppable? And whoever made this stuff is powerful beyond our comprehension; they can bend physics and turn planetoids into space ships, what other kinds of horrors could we find? It's very probable that by this point there are only a handful of people actually in the know as much as Avasarala, who even come close to her level of understanding about the dangers humanity faces.
But to her, and those who know what she does, every monkey who goes through one of those gates has the ability to press a button on a microwave they don't understand and start something that might destroy the entire human race.
And that's not even counting what Holden mentioned last season. If the protomolecule race was *that* powerful... What about the things that killed them?
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While it's certainly hard to argue that there isn't a fairly high chance of danger to all of humanity from expanding through the gates, I think banning anyone from going through was extremely short-sighted and only allowing corporate access doubly so. Even if everything was going well in the Solar System at that point, which it wasn't, there are going to be thousands upon thousands of people willing to run that blockade. A better solution would have been to provide assistance and guidance to anyone who wanted to go. Let the people who wanted to go, and send a military contingent to protect them (not as police, but to help with external threats, post them at the gate, if that help is rejected), probably send some scientists too. Isolationism never works out in the long run, it's basically denial as a foreign policy.
Your sentiment reminded of a dialogue from Schlock Mercenary where they find tech from extremely advanced long lost intergalactic civilisation ,a possible weapon to be exact. They lamented that this is like finding a spent rifle cartridge the size of a planet. It quickly dawned on them that the scariest thing about what they find is that someone had the reasons to build a gun that fired ammunition the size of planets and HAD fired in it at something in the past in self defense, obviously it didn't work and that civilisation was wiped out.
Another thing it reminds me of was of that graphic novel where astronauts and scientists exploring Europa find an entire city of gigantic aliens in stasis pods under Europa's ice with technologies that make human space program looked like neanderthal . The guy who translated the alien language were rather spooked by his work . One, because he find it too easy to translate thealine language cluing us the aliens are somewhat similar to human in their way of thinking . And secondly , he pointed out the the Inuits have 50 words for snows, indicating snow play important role in the culture. They barely translated a portion of the alien language and already found hundreds of words for "murder". Oh the alien seem to be waking up .
More than being the first season on Amazon, this is most of all the first time a new season fits with the beginning of a new book... well, since season 1 at least I guess.
I'd like to make a point regarding the "New Terra" argument though... you're ironically being a bit anglocentrist in that Nerdy, as yes, our planet is not called "Terra" in "English" but it actually is in most latin languages, like the Moon is called Luna. :)
well Terra means earth... in my language the earth is called "jorden" which translates to earth in English...
I'd like to add to this that all "stellar charts" and similar things do call our own little planet Terra, and in scientifical terms too.
100% agree, in nearly every sci-fi property it's "Sol", "Terra" and "Luna".
I just think Nutella.
What was old Tella?
(“You spoony bard!”)
@@JustanotherconsumerA Nutella jar only lasts so long in my home. I have no Nutella restraint.
I mention this merely in passing.
Wait?! (Hits pause) CLARUS?! *You know Steve?!* Ahahaha! That’s great! He was also in one of my short films (written, directed, and produced by another Expanse alum) and is a lovely man.
He’s very committed to his craft and you’re lucky to have him as a teacher.
You may notice that the shots on Ilus are in super widescreen while the stuff set in space, on Earth and on Mars are shot in the standard aspect ratio.
The thing with Naomi staying in orbit around Earth is because that was only ever meant to be a short stop while they were taking on supplies at the Moon. They are intending to be on Ilus indefinitely and they didn't make the decision to go there until after they arrived at Earth. It didn't make sense for Naomi to put herself through weeks worth of adaption medicine for a short visit to Holden's parents but it's necessary for their new venture.
“But Terra is not what we call this planet.”
WRONG that’s an ENGLISH concete.
This planet is called Terra in Portuguese and Italian (ESP important for Italian, as “Terra” is LATIN from Rome).
This planet is Terre (only a slight difference in spelling, same pronunciation) in Spanish and French.
We LITERALLY live on TERRA.
But you'd still want to be consistent, right? Terra Nova, for example.
@@MattNolanCustomI don't think it's uncommon to use Latin nomenclature in English sentences. But Nova is indeed Latin that is often used in English as well. The very name Super Nova is English and Latin. So you may not like the naming, but it's not inconsistent with RL.
@@BrunoBarata78 I'm just being pedantic about people being pedantic. If you're going to question why it is "New Terra" when there isn't an original Terra in English, then why don't you also question why not Terranova, Neo Gaia, Le Monde Nouveau, etc.?
I mean, Earth is called Terra in Latin, I grew up knowing it by that name as well as Earth, I'm sure a lot of people did.
And it does make sense that factions made of cosmopolitan factions would use such name, as the history of colonization proved (New Zealand, Nouvelle Calédonie, Nouvelle-Orléans, Terre-Neuve, etc)
hmmm.... I wonder where the word TERRESTRIAL came from... must be just a coincidence.
@@y00t00b3r Kind of extra, right?
That’s their new rail gun. They shot some random rock to test it out, not a moon.
Already mentioned before. But Tera or Terra is Earth in Latin and latin languages. Mixing English and Latin isn't really a problem, we already have tons of terms like that in current use. And you can't really call it Terra Nova, because that's America (the continent). Edit: my memory failed me a bit. The Americas were called Novo Mundo (New World), Terra Nova is the island known in English as Newfoundland.
To me, he's the guy from Turn: Washington's Spies. But his real name is BURN GORMAN. Awesome actor in everything he does.
Reverse-engineering the tech from the Protogen stealth ships allowed Tycho station to install a spine-mounted railgun on the Roci.
Is that from the books or the TV show?
@@MattNolanCustom, the television series does not explain where the railgun came from, but rather refer to it by name and show it operating in the first episode of this season.
@@LeeCarlson I know that about the TV show and this episode. Am I to infer from your answer that the Protogen and Tycho information is explicit in the books then? It's been a while since I read them and I don't remember those details.
@@MattNolanCustom, a great deal of this is inferred because both the Martian commander of the Donnager and Fred Johnson comment that ships the size of the stealth ships do not have railguns, and Tycho station is the only place that the Roci has work done.
@@LeeCarlson hmm. Sounds like personal speculation to me rather than anything based on decent evidence. In the books (Abbadon's Gate, chapter 1) the Roci crew are flush with money from side-gigs and are spending some of it on ship upgrades. The keel-mounted railgun is mentioned fairly casually by Alex as a request. No more details other than that it gets implemented. That makes it sound like a run-of-the-mill thing in the books. Just because it is unusual on ships as small as the Anubis, doesn't mean it isn't difficult. In a large Navy you don't need railguns on the small ships. Also, Amos gets some engine upgrades from Callisto, which is a Martian outpost, not Tycho.
In the TV show, they are nowhere near Tycho at the time the Railgun appears, but it appears at the same time as Avasarla clearing their legal issues over the "legitimate salvage" and asking them to go to Ilus. It would make more sense to me that they had the work done at the Bush Naval Shipyards (in orbit of Earth or Luna, IIRC) where the Protogen stealth ships were made. No need to reverse engineer when you already have the blueprints and Avasarala would be in a position to finance / approve it. And when did Tycho get the chance to reverse engineer the Protogen ships? The only one left as far as we know was shot to bits by the Roci in the assault on Thoth Station and left drifting for a short while before Fred sent the location info to Avasarala. Amos gets the landing gear and other mods for operating in atmosphere done by "a guy he knows on Luna" so that also goes against your call that the Roci only ever has work done on Tycho.
You're making reasonable guesses, but I think your inference is off.
I think that in the books the trip from the Ring to Earth is 18 months. The ring is near the orbit of Neptune I believe.
My friend Patti is in this season! She had a blast on the show 😊
One of the most fun things was when her name was listed, book fans were quick to speculate on who she might be. Top pick was Basia's Wife. Close!
Who was she?
@@blackpaw29 she plays Carol Chiwewe, one of the Belter colony leaders.
@@Paxford0502 Great character!
@@Paxford0502 I think she's probably my favourite of the minor characters this season. Patti did an excellent job.
I mean, 'Terra' is Latin for 'Earth'. So I guess if you want to be picky, it should be Nova Terra.
traditionally its Terra Nova
@@no_no_just_noLiked the show. Terra Nova
And the funny thing is that the profanity is now like the book. So they didn't add more just because.
You know that many millions people call Terra their home, right?
Ilis was filmed in a quarry just out of Toronto. You should go on a field trip to Ilis.
Clarus is onto stuff. Burn is amazing in this role. This season is a Phoenix for original/book/supporter fans. I read after season One on Scifi, and it is worth watching first, in its glory. Then read.
20:02 they did a teaser for this season in the summer of 2019 to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the first moon landing. it ended with this scene of the roci landing and Naomi stepping out and the voiceover was John F. Kennedy's speech about going to the moon. it really got everyone incredibly hyped up for this new season, especially in the wake of the cancellation
If I remember correctly, the change in production was finalized even before they had a wrap party on season 3, so the change in staff and workflow was minimal.
You should know that in more extreme belter circles the idea of a collective up + down is offensive. In zero g everyone is all different directions, and trying to match another person's orientation is kind of an inner thing to do!
Season 4: The Real Avasarala has entered the f*cking chat!
People tend to dislike this season because is a bit to the side of the main themes of The Expanse, not being so directly about space stuff, but for me this is the single best written season of the show.
It might not have the huge moments other season have, but the writing is just perfect, there isn't a single wasted plot point, a single wasted moment in this season.
Also, the Western flavor in Ilus plot doesn't really hurt the show either.
My least favorite season. In the opening episode, everyone stays where they are. Less space stuff, and no consequences for what happens on New Terra.
Looking forward for their reactions though. 😃
Agreed I don't know why people dislike this season, my only issue with it was the Bobbie storyline.
@@LezArtist5iG Yeah, that's one of the unfortunate things about the last 3 books not being adapted, the Ilus stuff is crucial for the last three books, with the scientist even being a POV.
There is a planet called Terra. Its Earth. Also called Sol III, Tellus, Gaia and many more as much as their are different languages. Terra would be the more Latin mythological name.
What is the word for New in all those other languages?
@@MattNolanCustom Depends on the language if a descriptive adjective is even used. Most of us coming off of Latin roots would be novus or the Roman nov. It would probably be added to the word like novterra or terranovas. However now language is so wide ranging putting the "new" description on a word is not for some languages. That is just how us in the western world think.
@@rnkelly36 separate word or concatenation, I still don't think you would put "New" with "Terra" and mix languages
@@MattNolanCustom It's not a matter of right or wrong. People who use the word for Earth now would do something to distinguish the two. People not familiar with the world would say that is different enough. Official organizations would probably put more thought into it and be aware of what Terra already means. Some may call it Bob. Language would honestly settle on something that made understanding simple. For those who know Terra means Earth. It is the root that gives us many other words like terrestrial. Terra Nova is used in languages now for fantasy stories and real place names.
@@rnkelly36 Exactly. You'd think the UN, being the official organisation running the whole of Earth would have put more thought into it.
I think the time to travel to Illus gave Naomi more time to use the boone enhancing drugs vs the trip to earth, which would have been a shorter visit as well. I don't remember if it's explicitly stated in the book but that was the impression I got.
I'm pretty sure Illus has a lower surface gravity than Earth which is one of the reasons the Belters chose it as a colony (though I don't remember if they had much of a choice, I think they were just running as fast as they could through ringspace.
@@StarkRG I don't think it is detailed in the TV show but I believe the books state Ilus as having slightly more than 1G.
@@MattNolanCustom I'll have to reread then. Seems like that would be really bad for Belters, even with bone grown meds.
@@StarkRG the physiology of any decent sized population is going to have a bell curve, as is their response to drugs and exercise regimes. Some will struggle, some will be OK, some will not be able to handle it at all.
Terra is Earth in another language, Basically.. So New Terra is fine... lol
Terra is the name of Earth in many languages... Not sure why New Terra doesn't make sense.
Umm, because of the language of the word "New"?
@@MattNolanCustom There is a Terra, earth is also called terra, even in english speaking countries in scientific charts and descriptions, so there can be a new terra
FYI Earth is actually called Terra
I like when these two react to something they don't know anything about. They can actually react, unlike so many other things (wheel of time, lord of the rings, etc). They still focus on small details to complain, but their reaction is done well.
That "just went for the food" scene reminds me when Bobby was offered cucumbers in S2E12 and she just went for it and started stuffing her face with it. Must be a martian thing.
So the Roci now has an after-market keel-mounted railgun(That was the moon-destroying cannon you mentioned). The original Martian corvette-class didn't include that as standard equipment but the Roci's crew splurged a little bit, shall we say. ;)
Also, the planetary-landing system for the Roci is aftermarket as well, including the landing gears and steam-powered descent thrusters. Interestingly, in the books, the Roci is already capable of planetary landings, but she does land on her belly in that version, which means all the walls become floors. Most of the ship's control stations and crash couches are designed to rotate and reorient themselves so they are usable while the ship is horizontal.
And now this show has moved into a place that is TRULY alien. Ilus is a place that humans probably can't fully understand. And we just recklessly decided to try to live there because it happens to have breathable air and *kind of* drinkable water.
En. Planet Earth
It. Pianetta Terra
Sp. Planeta Tierra
Fr. Planette Terre
I suppose New Terra sounds kind of… romantic? 😊
I like the name *much* more than "New Earth", lol.
What's romantic for "New" ? 😉
Nova and is Latin
My one and only complaint about season 4 would be that they never really delt with the scale of a planet to my liking. It is one thing to argue over minerals in say an asteroid, it is totally different to have 100+ people lay claim to an entire Earth sized planet. That little nit-pick aside, this season rocks and the next two just keep getting better and better! One of the very few shows that actually has a fantastic ending to the entire series.
One thing I think they've really internalized is that resources are finite. I'm definitely not saying either side is correct, but it explains why they're adamant about it.
IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE !!
The books might have done a better job explaining things. I just wish the show had even a single line about this location being the only one with the resource on the planet. It kind of comes off, for me at least, like finding oil in Texas and the entire world invading because they couldn't be bothered looking for it anywhere else on Earth. Planets are big.@@aftonforred3685
This is Terra that we're sitting on. We call it earth as it translates from the Latin name Terra, the Goddess Mother Earth the same way all the other system 8odies have Latin names such as Luna (Moon) Sol (sun) Mercury, Venus etc.
The Rosi does land sideways in the books. Its just to hard to build the sets again at that angle. ;)
Hah, I remember when I first saw Lost, I was convinced the smoke monster was a nanomachine swarm, and up until the last couple seasons, everything in the show kinda just let me continue thinking that :P
Was the flying swarm CG reused for the black wind of the Ways in the Wheel of Time??
Terra is the Italian (and Latin...) word for Earth...
'Terra' is actually 'Earth' in Italian and Portuguese so 'New Terra' is the same as 'New Earth'. In French it would be 'Terre' and in Spanish 'Tierra'
Terra is Latin for Earth. It predates the other languages.
@@aftonforred3685true but since they are romance languages the term is just a hand me down of the language tree. Plus using a term that multiple languages recognize makes sense.
To be honest I've seen earth called Terra in so much sci fi that it doesn't even register as a thing for me. Could just desensitized.
@@christopherkowalczyk4405 honestly, I wonder why they don't call it Gaia. The Greeks first theorized about a spherical planet. Then again, the Romans just kind of took over a lot of Greek ideas.
What would "New Earth" be in Portuguese, French and Spanish?
@@aftonforred3685 you got it with the Romans taking over Greek ideas. Plus the same reason why English is so widespread around the world. The English empire brought the language so many places and the locals had to become handy with it. The Romans spread Latin all over Europe and the catholic church making it their official language forever and a day spread it past Europe and into their colonies. The Greeks never had a chance to do something like that, aside from it being used in the orthodox church. I could be really wrong on that point though.
Dammit nerdy, she did want to meet holden's parents, but "most belters have mixed feelings about earth".
That's a pretty interesting thing for Clarus notice about how it looks like the magnetic stuff in those hourglasses.
Earth is only in English. Terra is the name for the Earth in Latin, and therefore all of science
4:14 Oh its Steven, who’s Steven McCarthy? Cool 👍🏾 Jakob Mazur in show.
Heh . . . RE: Avasarala's swearing . . . I will say it was nice to have her FULLY in character on the show. Her foul mouth was one of the more charming aspects of her book persona that got a bit diluted on the early seasons. :-)
Tera is Latin for 'Earth'. 28:52 Soooo 🤔 they did name it New Earth.
What's Latin for "New"?
This season is... People tend to fall into categories.
I am excited to see how you 2 land :)
Idk if anyone else has mentioned it but I've heard that Avasarala's actress actually dislikes cussing
If you think Avisarala is swearing a lot in this Season: you have to read the books. This here is the toned-down version of how she's talking there. And I loved that they kept the "don't put your d*** in it" quote in the series, it's one of my favourites.
I LOVE THIS SHOW. That Railgun on the Roci is a beautiful addition.
The planet's name is a bit more complicated than simple elitism. The Belters from Ganymede would be considered an illegal, claim jumping settlement. Calling the planet by the name "Ilus" would be implicitly legitimizing the Belter setllers controversial claim (which is not even really supported the OPA). Admittedly, "New Terra" is an uninspired choice.
You are being a bit of an anglophile about the name of the planet. The name "Earth" in English comes from English's germanic roots. In romance languages, the name for our planet is a variation on the Latin "Terra", and might be the default choice for a lingua franca name. After all, we are only assuming English remains the language of busniess and transportation in "The Expanse" future.
this entire comment section is filled with anglophiles, to be quite honest about it. (if you want to use that meaning for 'anglophile')
True, but it's still wrong if you ask me. Whether Terra came from Latin, Portuguese or whichever language, the word for "New" should have come from there too. It's been established that Belter creole mixes all sorts of languages together. We've only seen Earther and Martian characters speaking straight English, as far as I can recall, not a mixture.
@@y00t00b3r"Anglophone" may have been the word I was looking for.
@@MattNolanCustomPerhaps, but official planet and astronomical object names seem almost all derive from Latin and Greek in this show's 'verse.
@@mjbull5156 the vast majority of them already have those names now
This season is the first I think that suffers from things missing or changed in the book (but not much) including my favorite romantic minor character/subplot in all of fiction. I can't go into specifics due to spoilers but I hope you pick up the books one day.
Just when you think you have a handle on where the show is going; it hits you with a curve.
BELTALOWDA!
18:14 that’s the new rail gun. It’s fires a small object up to Mach 7 with an electromagnetic rail.
We were all so nervous for this episode, and Prime gave us this.
lol let’s be real in this scenario nerdy and clarus would be the ones complaining about the wifi connection in the middle of a humanitarian crisis. And nerdy would sell clarus out in a second if it got him outta there 😂
Wow you really don't think very much of us...
We don't have a planet called Terra
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You are on it right now buddy
I love how in this season they use visual language from Westerns in the shot structure.
This is the season I am most conflicted about, but I will enjoy the reactions, it will be a blast. 👌😊
I believe the journey from Earth to Ilus was supposed to be around 4 months.
IIRC it was 2 to 4 months. 1 to 2 months to travel from Earth to The Ring and 1 to 2 months to go from The Ring to Ilus.
The books refer to 73 days from Medina to Illus. So yeah, fair to assume it took similar to go Earth to Medina.
Reinforcements were quoted at being 18 months away, which seems a lot.
@@Mannchini I think the reinforcement being 18 months away was while... SPOILER WARNING...
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...fusion being shut down in the Ilus system. No fusion means no Epstein Drive and a much MUCH slower travel time from the Ilus ring to the planet.
Someday I'm going to write a doctoral thesis on how Naomi's hair is a symbol for her character progression.
I think there was a short very easy to miss post credit scene in the last episode of season 4.
They have added a railgun
Some of my favorite lines are from this season. SO there is that to look forward to.
Oh right, "mean comments down below."
People that aren't gonna watch full-length: you think they missed the landing gear and railgun installs 'cause they're bad reactors that don't pay attention or were they too distracted by whatever joke they were telling each other?
21:00 so much room for activities!!
17:15 Oh Stop it! Any landing You can walk away from is a good landing...
22:48 ..like'erhm...alien? 😛
by that time, Terra and Luna are the new names for Earth and Moon.
Which is why everyone the entire time for three seasons has called it Earth and Luna. Not once have they referred to Earth as Terra. I get that Nerdy's comment is somewhat anglocentric, but if you want to call something "New Earth" in Latin or a romance language, you'd also use that language's word for "New", not mix English and another language.
There are 1300 Erth planet now... So...
I dont think Alex blew up a moon, it was just a stray asteroid. I dont think it was clear from the dialogue. Its a mini railgun, but nowhere near that powerful that it can crack a moon. I dontthink its wise to start firing at protomolecule moons regardless.
I also see him as the torchwood guy....
even in torchwood i think of him as the "fish-lips" guy.
@@GeneElder.R027 true...
The books make it clearer that most belters look more like the guy Chrissy tortured in season one. Very tall and brittle.
These are them 'city belters'
And now you guys get to know the sub-genre of this season.
There is only one best type of frontier story -- and that's a *Western* .
In fact, the setup for this situation comes from a *particular* Western -- and that Western is "A Fistful of Dollars," the first of Sergio Leone's epic "Dollars" trilogy.
A small frontier town with two violently feuding factions ready to kill each other at a moment's notice -- or none, at all -- and the Roci crew just walked into it.
Don't worry, though.
The authors will remind us, soon enough, that they know a thing or two about science, and what it might be like to try to colonize a new planet.
A lot of people criticize this season because it marks such a radical shift in tone from the end of the last one.
But, how could it not? The last season dropped a noval right in the middle of the setting, and changed it fundamentally.
Now, they kinda have to tell the story about humanity adapting to the new paradigm as they spread out into a vast new frontier.
As with Season 1, Season 4 must lay the groundwork for the rest of the series -- and it does that beautifully.
21:33 Well, you got your smoke monster Nerdy! I just had to laugh out loud about this at 17:23
01:00 You're misinformed. First, the show has always been owned and produced by Alcon Entertainment, who licensed different rights to various platforms around the world to finance it. Amazon had the streaming rights for the US from the very beginning. In Europe, seasons 1 and 2 were on Netflix at first. SyFy had the first/live broadcast rights for the US. During broadcast of season 3, SyFy came to the conclusion that the numbers didn't add up for them. They announced their decision to not continue licensing the show on May 10th, 2018, after broadcast of S03E05 "Triple Point". And only 16 days later, on May 26th, 2018, it was announced that Amazon would be picking up the show. So, when S03E08 "It reaches out" first aired on May 30th, 2018, it was already known that there would be a season 4.
Earth's name is Terra... in Latin...
TERRA
TERRARIUM
TERRESTRIAL
TERRAFORMING
Notice a pattern? Even in Latin, the monkeys still have not evolved beyond calling their planet "dirt".
Frontiers are inherently hazardous. Occupied or otherwise.
Haircut by J. Miller, apparently
17:00
This is what it means when you fail your surprise roll.
Every season has some changes to the title sequence.
I think it's kind of, um, 'sweet?' that Amos may have found someone as broken as he is for a fuck-buddy.
Oh that's my teacher in the show, that's funny... Like what?!?!? A basic "funny" is all out of that? 😜 For knowing more and more people in this awesome definitely in the future of sci Fi history immortal, essential TV show.... Then again i guess working in the movie industry you stumble across those sightings way more than us outside 😅
Rana is a homage to Rana from The Normies who were one, if not the, first ones reacting to the show extensively.
Literally grey wasteland
He: Wow, so beautiful!
Sol, Terra and Luna are our 3 Bodies the Sun, the Earth and the Moon :)
Fun fact, the first ever successful vertical landing took place between the writing of the book and the filming of this episode, the books have the Rocci landing horisontal, because even hard Sci-fi at that time hadn't envisioned a vertical landing thesible. it's actually funny we say "ah, that makes sense" now, because it really didn't just 10 years ago!
The vertical land is very similar to current gen rockets like SpaceX and Blue Origin.
One of the questions I always had while reading the book was how the side thrusters were powerful enough to orient the Rocinante vertically while under high gravity. The vertical landing always made more sense. However, I did start reading the books after SpaceX started doing vertical landings, so that might be a part of it.
@@liamjohnston2000 exactly
@@sour-is nobody ever did it before them so naturally it's modeled after that.
Didn't Apollo 12 count as a vertical landing??
Great reaction!
Can't wait to see your reaction to this season!
she did not do what military command told her to xD no one told her to kill her comrades and switch to holdens side xD she killed the other girl and let the guy get killed by switching sides
Bobbie did not kill the other girl. The other girl shot Bobbie. Bobbie did not let the other guy get killed either. She yelled "Don't shoot".
The battle lines get drawn.
Talk about #savetheexpanse.
well, Terra is the name of the world for the ancient Romans, so...but I agree that the new terra is kind of overused, lack of imagination
lol its called a rail gun.