Yeah idk what Corlys was thinking, why would Aemon (especially) bend the knee and go to the wall he literally had the strongest dragon alive and his brother Daeron had his own dragon and an army with him.
He had the right idea in that they had to offer some pardons. But that shit was way to early you gotta get rid of some of those big threats at the very least.you can’t have motherfuckers like aemon sticking around and possibly escaping from the wall.
It was indeed a very odd move, i get the sense he was trying to look at the bigger picture and just end the was, but at this point it was way to early to offer pardons.
Or maybe he was trying to look merciful too the other great lords and if they refused then it would’ve been a lot easier to eliminate the threat since pardons was offered .
@@theplayasclub5948 it was way too early and the lords that were already with Aegon the usurper weren’t going to back down, the outcome would have been war no matter how you slice it especially since all Aemon one eye had to do was bring his dragon to the Hightower army and that would have blistered the green cause since they now had 2 dragons (one of which is the largest in the realm) and about 20K troops if not more which couldn’t really be stopped by Rhaenyra’s reach and northern lords at tumbleton which probably numbered half of Hightower’s force if not lower, all in all it was too early for peace terms
Rhaenyra pisses me off she could easily won this war once she took kings landing. She could have send Daemon to take care of Daeron or either send the 2 betrayers with Daemon to look for Aemond kept needles to defend kings landing and the Velaryon army. Deamon was right about Aegon & Aemond no peace only death for traders it also would show the strength had Daemon and Rhaenrya won and still be alive to rule.
Meh, depends. Daemon and Nettles together searched for Aemond and Vhagar to no avail for quite some time. Aemond/Vhagar didn't show up till they were challenged by Daemon, so Finnigan him would've been a waste of time unless Aemond knew he could've had a decent fight without getting jumped Ulf and Hugh didn't get lordship from Rhaenyra which is why they turned cloak, so can't bet on them to win As for Aemond and particularly Daeron, wanting them dead is precisely why Alicent was so worried. Otto, Alicent, even the likes of Daenerys and Varys later on, all know that "I don't want it" doesn't matter, the truth is what matters And truth is, Aegon II was the rightful ruler all along, by every traditional custom of Westeros that's been followed since the beginning, even by the Valyrians like Targaryens, Velaryons and Celtigars. The fact that all of Viserys' sons were threats in Daemon's eyes proves the Greens were right about.
And then she could ve descended on the Hightower's host with the Vale's men + Riverlords + Syrax + That woman dragon seed (forgot the name) + Ulf (and his dragon)
Rhaenyra going on syrax would be actual suicide… However I do disagree with her sending envoys constantly and not doing anything. I know Daenerys would never
@@joaop4585 Easier said than done. Vale forces would've taken a long time to get south, and would've been slowly picked off by the Green forces Syrax isn't a war dragon whatsoever, she's been described as fat and lazy. As for Ulf and Nettles on their Dragons, they'd be great help yes, assuming Vhagar is found. Daemon and Nettles together searched for Aemond/Vhagar and never found them, and not until Daemon wrote a challenge to Aemond did Vhagar finally appear where the battle was to be had Overall, Daemon is many things, a Dragon tracker wasn't one of them.
@@thalmoragent9344 On the third year the Vale forces were gathered along with the Starks. Months that Rhaenyra could ve gain if-not by her own stupidity. She lost months (if not years ago). She lost King's Landing bcs of rebelious mobs that were displeased by her. Taxes, religion and her overall Dragon Civil War. Had her taken the help of others Free cities, like Pentos that had a rivalry with Three Daughters. It would ve helped. Had her controlled better the city and not let a f*ck*n r4d1c4l priest talk too much. It would ve helped. And she over all became lazy. Syrax, and beautiful, fast and agile dragon... became lazy too. A weapon of war was allowed to become obese and weak... You re kind correct that Rhaenyra couldnt win. Only on my fictional scenarios, controlled by me, that she would had a better chance. And in this case she would be a completely different person
Honestly, Corlys was (mostly) right about the situation. It was, however, rather foolish to think Aegon and Aemond would willingly take the Black So long as the trueborn sons of the late King Viserys lived, Rhaenyra would never be able to sit the Iron Throne. Them going to war only made it more apparent. And on the other hand, Daemon's political acumen is as deep as a puddle. The fact he's not willing to allow pardons or hostages at all says a lot about how he doesn't negotiate, and that too makes for a very poor King/King-Consort. Say what you will, Otto Hightower was right in the sense that (most of) the blacks ruling the realm would lead to disaster. And frankly, even if it was peacetime, same could be said.
Actually daemon was right. This way no Robert's rebellion and there would be Rhaegar the greatest king with his heir Jon Targaryen( I refuse to call him Aegon that was D&D not cannon, Elia's son's name is Aegon...they combined the characters) married to Dany the white walkers would be destroyed. Would the Starks have even gone to kings landing for Lyanna if she wasn't betrothed already or would Rhaegar have went for her hand respectfully as a 2nd wife? We don't know. We will never know. I wish someone would write a parallel history of Westeros where the targs and dragons never went defunct and instead married into every great house giving every house dragons and then have the crazy antics of the game of thrones but with constant dragon battles. 🐉
I see both sides but I lean more towards Prince Daemon views. Though Borros Baratheon didn't kill Luke, he certainly had a part in his death by fueling Prince Aemond by telling him he didn't care what happen to him outside his walls. Prince Aemond is a kinslayer and Prince Daeron choose to side with his brother. I would've council the death and execution of Borros, Aemond, and allowed Prince Daeron to take the black, sent Queen Helaena to the sisters, kept Dowager Queen Alicent at court with me(Cause she a schemer and its best to keep your enemies close), and have those who took up arms with Prince Aegon of wealth and some titles and asked for hostage. As for Aegon daughter, I not sure what tto do with her. Keep her at court of course but I don't know if I'd council Queen Rhaenarya to her son since she probably wouldnt want to be tied to her brother in that way after everthing but it is a good move.
@@NRV0 Marry Aegon's daughter to Rhaenyra's son, that's the smarter plan. As for sending Daeron to the Wall, I don't think that's wise. He was a younger brother following Aegon and his family, and he also has a Dragon so, flying to the Wall wouldn't be the best scenario, and killing them would've been a bit harsh. If you want Alicent around, maybe don't get rid of all of her kids. Especially if Haelena still has her son and daughter around as well. Keep the younger Green kids alive, show mercy and keep the number of Targaryens up rather than down..
@@nunyabusiness6693 If Rhaegar lives in the future, then how would Jon and Dany marry? Sure they MIGHT, but Rhaegar had an older son, Aegon already as his Heir, and his older sister Rhaenys as well. And Viserys would also be alive. If Rhaegar wins the war, odds are Ellia lives (hopefully). And still, taking Lyanna away from Robert the way he did was messed up, I wouldn't Condone that tbh, and I see why Robert dealt with Rhaegar the way he did. Just saying, GoT would look VERY different if Rhaegar lived to be King.
Rhaenyra really charted the best possible path here, she took the chance of peace and with leveraging their submission and pardon by renewing loyalty to the Iron Throne was the surest way to smash the host marching north to the Reach. With Aemon harrying the Riverlands and with the Northmen so far away, it was necessary to build as large a host as possible to mitigate the strength of the Greens on the field
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Yeah idk what Corlys was thinking, why would Aemon (especially) bend the knee and go to the wall he literally had the strongest dragon alive and his brother Daeron had his own dragon and an army with him.
He had the right idea in that they had to offer some pardons. But that shit was way to early you gotta get rid of some of those big threats at the very least.you can’t have motherfuckers like aemon sticking around and possibly escaping from the wall.
Exactly plus you can never control Vaghar until Aemon dies same for Tessarion cause if the dragon bonds
It was indeed a very odd move, i get the sense he was trying to look at the bigger picture and just end the was, but at this point it was way to early to offer pardons.
Or maybe he was trying to look merciful too the other great lords and if they refused then it would’ve been a lot easier to eliminate the threat since pardons was offered .
@@theplayasclub5948 it was way too early and the lords that were already with Aegon the usurper weren’t going to back down, the outcome would have been war no matter how you slice it especially since all Aemon one eye had to do was bring his dragon to the Hightower army and that would have blistered the green cause since they now had 2 dragons (one of which is the largest in the realm) and about 20K troops if not more which couldn’t really be stopped by Rhaenyra’s reach and northern lords at tumbleton which probably numbered half of Hightower’s force if not lower, all in all it was too early for peace terms
Can’t wait to see it unfold in House of The Dragon!
Living in westeros whether you're targaryen or not must suck. Can you imagine fighting a dragon?
"youve been called to war to fight for this side with dragons against this other side that also has dragons."
It's all suck except you're Dornish
Unless you're Dorne. They actually succeeded in killing a dragon first.
@@Kaboombooone time only thing and that too is because of luck lol...
@@dineshbalu6107what about Jace Death ? Essos knows about killing Big lizards
I think rhanerya really should chose an ideology instead of choosing a middle course. Her indecisive cost her in the end
Seems she took after her father Viserys more than anything
@@thalmoragent9344
“WATCHES ALL HOTD SEASON 2 EPISODES OF RHEANYRA HESISTANT THROUGH OUT THE SCENES” Yeah about that
I wish we had map locations for most of these
I see Aemond took a page out of Tywin’s book
Rhaenyra pisses me off she could easily won this war once she took kings landing. She could have send Daemon to take care of Daeron or either send the 2 betrayers with Daemon to look for Aemond kept needles to defend kings landing and the Velaryon army. Deamon was right about Aegon & Aemond no peace only death for traders it also would show the strength had Daemon and Rhaenrya won and still be alive to rule.
Meh, depends.
Daemon and Nettles together searched for Aemond and Vhagar to no avail for quite some time. Aemond/Vhagar didn't show up till they were challenged by Daemon, so Finnigan him would've been a waste of time unless Aemond knew he could've had a decent fight without getting jumped
Ulf and Hugh didn't get lordship from Rhaenyra which is why they turned cloak, so can't bet on them to win
As for Aemond and particularly Daeron, wanting them dead is precisely why Alicent was so worried. Otto, Alicent, even the likes of Daenerys and Varys later on, all know that "I don't want it" doesn't matter, the truth is what matters
And truth is, Aegon II was the rightful ruler all along, by every traditional custom of Westeros that's been followed since the beginning, even by the Valyrians like Targaryens, Velaryons and Celtigars. The fact that all of Viserys' sons were threats in Daemon's eyes proves the Greens were right about.
@@thalmoragent9344 sunfyre was the MVP of the dance
@@thalmoragent9344Meh False...
@@jinsakai7008you too
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Facts, he really was the MVP. Young lad put his everything into all he did, till the very end
Imagine aemon and aegon taking their dragons too the wall 😂😂😂
I'd hate to live in the Riverlands, every war seems to use it as the battlefield, ie. war of the five kings, dance of the dragons etc
Rhaenyra is a coward, she ignored to help the Riverlands but she could easily fly on Syrax to fight or at least scare away Vhagar
Vermithor, Sea Smoke and Caraxes. Thats all. Even if it took time to find Vhagar he wouldve been swipped by the end of a hour
And then she could ve descended on the Hightower's host with the Vale's men + Riverlords + Syrax + That woman dragon seed (forgot the name) + Ulf (and his dragon)
Rhaenyra going on syrax would be actual suicide… However I do disagree with her sending envoys constantly and not doing anything. I know Daenerys would never
@@joaop4585
Easier said than done. Vale forces would've taken a long time to get south, and would've been slowly picked off by the Green forces
Syrax isn't a war dragon whatsoever, she's been described as fat and lazy.
As for Ulf and Nettles on their Dragons, they'd be great help yes, assuming Vhagar is found. Daemon and Nettles together searched for Aemond/Vhagar and never found them, and not until Daemon wrote a challenge to Aemond did Vhagar finally appear where the battle was to be had
Overall, Daemon is many things, a Dragon tracker wasn't one of them.
@@thalmoragent9344 On the third year the Vale forces were gathered along with the Starks. Months that Rhaenyra could ve gain if-not by her own stupidity. She lost months (if not years ago).
She lost King's Landing bcs of rebelious mobs that were displeased by her. Taxes, religion and her overall Dragon Civil War.
Had her taken the help of others Free cities, like Pentos that had a rivalry with Three Daughters. It would ve helped.
Had her controlled better the city and not let a f*ck*n r4d1c4l priest talk too much. It would ve helped.
And she over all became lazy. Syrax, and beautiful, fast and agile dragon... became lazy too. A weapon of war was allowed to become obese and weak...
You re kind correct that Rhaenyra couldnt win. Only on my fictional scenarios, controlled by me, that she would had a better chance. And in this case she would be a completely different person
Honestly, Corlys was (mostly) right about the situation. It was, however, rather foolish to think Aegon and Aemond would willingly take the Black
So long as the trueborn sons of the late King Viserys lived, Rhaenyra would never be able to sit the Iron Throne. Them going to war only made it more apparent.
And on the other hand, Daemon's political acumen is as deep as a puddle. The fact he's not willing to allow pardons or hostages at all says a lot about how he doesn't negotiate, and that too makes for a very poor King/King-Consort.
Say what you will, Otto Hightower was right in the sense that (most of) the blacks ruling the realm would lead to disaster. And frankly, even if it was peacetime, same could be said.
Oh the irony. Otto talking about others causing disaster as he himself literally caused disaster.
@@williamhermann6635 Facts. The war would have never happened if it weren't for him.
@@leeashley1902war was inevitable
Corlys was definitely wise. More wise than Daemon will ever be.
His pardons were kinda unrealistic
Actually daemon was right. This way no Robert's rebellion and there would be Rhaegar the greatest king with his heir Jon Targaryen( I refuse to call him Aegon that was D&D not cannon, Elia's son's name is Aegon...they combined the characters) married to Dany the white walkers would be destroyed. Would the Starks have even gone to kings landing for Lyanna if she wasn't betrothed already or would Rhaegar have went for her hand respectfully as a 2nd wife? We don't know. We will never know. I wish someone would write a parallel history of Westeros where the targs and dragons never went defunct and instead married into every great house giving every house dragons and then have the crazy antics of the game of thrones but with constant dragon battles. 🐉
I see both sides but I lean more towards Prince Daemon views. Though Borros Baratheon didn't kill Luke, he certainly had a part in his death by fueling Prince Aemond by telling him he didn't care what happen to him outside his walls. Prince Aemond is a kinslayer and Prince Daeron choose to side with his brother. I would've council the death and execution of Borros, Aemond, and allowed Prince Daeron to take the black, sent Queen Helaena to the sisters, kept Dowager Queen Alicent at court with me(Cause she a schemer and its best to keep your enemies close), and have those who took up arms with Prince Aegon of wealth and some titles and asked for hostage. As for Aegon daughter, I not sure what tto do with her. Keep her at court of course but I don't know if I'd council Queen Rhaenarya to her son since she probably wouldnt want to be tied to her brother in that way after everthing but it is a good move.
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Marry Aegon's daughter to Rhaenyra's son, that's the smarter plan.
As for sending Daeron to the Wall, I don't think that's wise. He was a younger brother following Aegon and his family, and he also has a Dragon so, flying to the Wall wouldn't be the best scenario, and killing them would've been a bit harsh.
If you want Alicent around, maybe don't get rid of all of her kids. Especially if Haelena still has her son and daughter around as well. Keep the younger Green kids alive, show mercy and keep the number of Targaryens up rather than down..
@@nunyabusiness6693
If Rhaegar lives in the future, then how would Jon and Dany marry? Sure they MIGHT, but Rhaegar had an older son, Aegon already as his Heir, and his older sister Rhaenys as well. And Viserys would also be alive. If Rhaegar wins the war, odds are Ellia lives (hopefully). And still, taking Lyanna away from Robert the way he did was messed up, I wouldn't Condone that tbh, and I see why Robert dealt with Rhaegar the way he did. Just saying, GoT would look VERY different if Rhaegar lived to be King.
Burninating the Riverlands
Burninating the peasants
Burninating all the people
And the thatched roofs
COTTAGES!!!!!!!
Rhaenyra really charted the best possible path here, she took the chance of peace and with leveraging their submission and pardon by renewing loyalty to the Iron Throne was the surest way to smash the host marching north to the Reach. With Aemon harrying the Riverlands and with the Northmen so far away, it was necessary to build as large a host as possible to mitigate the strength of the Greens on the field
No she didn’t she was indecisive and lost the war
She didn't do shit. She was a poor leader and it cost them the war.
Rhaenyra was pretty much useless in this war, as was her Dragon Syrax.
@@mansoorahmed1676she won bro