Harley Vs Indian It's Not Even Close Anymore
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Harley vs Indian is a fantastic rivalry and it benefits all riders as you will see in this video because one has had an edge over the past few years while the other seemed content. But just like competition does, we now have a big gap closure with all of these new features, bikes and prices on the new motorcycles is making this a lot more interesting.
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After 40 years of riding and most of those years on Harley-Davidson. I just bought my first Indian Roadmaster. I couldn’t be happier. The 116 Thunderstroke is one heck of an engine.
Tell them about your thunderstroke at the drag queen summer camp.
Same here, 20 years of Harley and bought a Challenger and I am in love. Loved it so much I sold it and got an Elite.
I believe i will take the same route.. i don't like the newest Harleys, and love the new indians
And I am only 40yrs old, 22YRS of owning harleys
@@benoitperreault1692 don’t get me wrong. Both manufacturers make great Motorcycles. And they talk a lot of junk about Indian being out of business for approximately 50 years. But, it says a lot about Indian as a company when you are making outstanding, top-tier, Motorcycles, and you’ve only been back in business for approximately 11 years now. I do not believe you will ever regret buying it Indian. Ride safe, brother.
I've been riding Harleys for 20 years but they seem like they're getting out of control with pricing and displacement.
I'm ready to jump ship to something lighter, smaller, and a better bang for the buck.
I own a 2024 Indian Challenger DH . Test road the HD 2024 Road Glide . The Indian is night and day from the HD. All the weight is in the bottom of the Challenger which makes it feel much lighter and agile. Then you have the standard bells and whistles. I've seen the 2024 Road Glide has had so many problems. I'm definitely glad I went with my Indian.
2024 has zero problems, youu picked the wrong year to compare those, the road glide is a beast of a machine. Arguably better than the challenger at 3k less. The only issue with the 2024 road glide is its speakers suck.
Been Riding Harleys for decades...love em...but I just traded my ultra limted for a pursuit dark horse 6 weeks ago...I will not go back...LOVE that pursuit...
I ride harley but I think Indian is a better bang for your buck. Atleast here in alberta canada 🇨🇦
In words of Ron Swanson, dear Canada duck you, I like Canadians though
Up in Edmonton I tried buying a Scout bobber. Put cash down on the bike and was told they had it. When I signed the paperwork I was expecting to be riding by the end of the week. Fast forward a month of waiting I was finally told that the bike was still in Manitoba. Took my cash back and was on a Bonneville Bobber the next day. I still love the look of the Indian Bobber but was really put off by what went down.
Bought my Indian Scout bobber in Calgary. Last one in stock in 2022 , got it within the week . Paid near full price but got a " free " $100 key chain . Couldn't be more satisfied with the bike 🍻🤘🏻.
@@chevellerrthe bobber is a fantastic bike. Aside from engine performance, id honestly say its better than the Scout
Speaking of dealerships. My wife was looking at an entry level bike, so we were going to try out both Indian and Harley. We had such a bad experience at Harley that we went with a Scout and she couldn't be happier. It was almost like they didn't want a woman owning a Harley.
There are harley dealerships that are know for not the best customer service. I had a bad experience with Van Nuys harley, there are no longer there.
Just bought a new Indian Pursuit Dark Horse. I pick it up tomorrow.
Pick up the bike yet?
Welcome to the Tribe...!!
Indian for me. Not really one that has liked harley. They have great bikes but the Indian with its quality and reliability and overall looks better to me and better deal far as bang for the buck makes Indian a clear choice for me.
I have both. I find myself riding my Indian way more than my Harley. It's more comfortable, powerful, and looks better. Not to mention a lot fewer problems.
I love motorcycles. I just wish both Indian and Harley would make an affordable entry level motorcycle. My local dealer does offer an affordable entry level bike at the Harley dealership, it’s called Royal Enfield.
At 6'4" I struggle on the HDs, all of them. I fit fine without mods on my flashed V Star 1300 and Raider. I sat on a Springfield, and it fit like a glove. I love the Polaris floorboards. The Victory CCT floorboards were awesome. I can feel that carryover design on the Springer.
I was on H-D for 30 years. I still like 'em, but I'm happy with my Indian Pursuit and FTR Rally.
If I lived in the flatlands, I probably wouldn't like the FTR as much. But living in western NC with twisty roads everywhere, like The Snake, The Diamondback, The Dragon, the FTR is freaking badass.
Harley is catching up, still not like the Indian. Own them both.
We don’t want an HD like an Indian, or 1 out of every 3 bikes bought in the US wouldn’t be an HD.
Harley-Davidson shouldn't be catching up to anyone when they've been the industry leader in their segment for literally more than a CENTURY.
@@freebehindbars8654oh yeah? Because Indian has taken nearly 15% of Harley’s market share in the last 13 years since Polaris bought them. Harley’s sales have declined 9 out of the last 10 years. I love the classics too, I ride an evo sportster but the fact remains that Harley needs to modernize or they’re going to be in serious trouble.
Harley needs to modernize? You obviously haven't seen any of the late model bikes.
@@TheBarbellBandit Hence the 2024 road and street glide remodel, hence why its past tense they already did it. If you want a bagger, you aren't beating Harley.
We have had an 883 Iron and now a 2018 Street Bob. Grest bikes, but if I had to prioritize against our Scout Bobber and Springfield the H-D would be out on its ass in a second. The Indians are far superior.
Agree. Indians are in another league.
That's all it takes get out and try the bikes.
Just wish there was more after market parts for Indian
Yepp. Thats a big no no why u dont buy one...
It doesn’t need them,just ride it.
Both are really pushing each other to build true American Classics. For me the HDs are still the standard bearer of American motorcycles…Indian has some awesome bikes as well. Gotta have both. Agree on the dealers as HD pushes you to ride and buy. Here in Texas the Indian dealer wants a deposit and or initial credit check…totally stupid approach if you ask me
I have a 2020 Challenger DH. I just did the Harley demo event and rode the Road Glide CVO ST; impressive bike. $44k MSRP. I loved it, but then started to think and compare. Reality, the CVO honestly does nothing better, and definitely not worth the cash outlay to warrant trading in my Challenger. And to be completly honest, the non CVO would be a downgrade, just my opinion. I came from Harley, last was 2021 lowrider s; wanted a bagger, was ready to buy a 21 road glide special, then went to the indian demo; bought the challenger. I ride with an MC and took much heat for pulling up on the Indian, but once everyone looked at it, that went away. I wanted the CVO to be the bike but it just isn't even better to warrant $44k
I have no idea where you find pricing that Indian was more expensive then the 2024 Harley. I have both and Indian offers twice the value . Harley has finally changed its tradition to try and keep up with Indians technology.
Uh the websites. 2024 is about 3k less. Challenger to Road glide.
It’s good Harley is beginning to feel threatened it means they have to actually compete this is a good thing and should be highly encouraged
Buy what you like while you can, then ride it.
I've been a Harley fan since I was a child. I bought an 03 anniversary edition Fatboy softail. I sold it after the economy crashed. I learned a lot more about Harley Davidson before I bought the next one. There was no way I was going to spend 30 grand on a motorcycle. Especially one with the new M-8 engine in it. I ended up buying another Fatboy. But this one had the Evolution engine. Now I have no use or need for the factory or dealerships. Harley Davidson, the factory is going in the wrong direction of an American business normally supported by the blue collar customer. I know nothing about Indian. But I know I will never buy a new bike from Harley Davidson.
The Evo Fatboy is a bulletproof ride.. take care of her and she’ll return the favor for a long time.
I think you nailed it on your description of the FTR against the Pan America…. Polaris just finished the job with the FTR.
Indian sport chief is dope! Like the shocks on the outside. Its a beautiful bike, just give us more color scheme and a full fender.
As someone who has just over 40 years of riding behind me it’s broken my heart watching HD getting flushed down the toilet.
Real Harleys don’t have radiators, full stop! Hell, if you go to HD’s you tube channel it’s nearly 95% BS with 5% focused on the bikes😂
Sorry, but they’ve destroyed the brand & the only thing keeping them relevant is the nostalgia of a time & machine that’s LONG gone.
Former Indian sales and current service tech employee here. I also have owned multiple late model Harleys. Indian is making some nice-looking, nice riding motorcycles. The new Scout series is a massive improvement over the previous gen. It rides better, it's smoother, more feature laden, and just feels more substantial. The bigger bikes look and ride well. I'm not thrilled with some of the mechanical noises of the Thunderstoke or the Powerplus. The biggest problem with Indian is quality. Not what you may see on the outside. It's when you go deeper. The amount of cheap chinese hardware is absurd. There are things we have to do during setup to prevent problems down the road. Corrosion is a major issue. Rusty hardware in a very short period of time. Bikes are coming in for a break-in service that have check engine lights on and rusty hardware. Spoke nipples in particular. "Made in China" labels all over brake and clutch lines. The chrome is poor quality and will likely peel way too soon in its life cycle. Unacceptable at this price point. Major and minor issues in most all of them we see. It's a shame. They could be great bikes, but Polaris needs to seriously scale back on the cost cutting. YMMV, but this is what we see on a daily basis. I never saw quality issues like this on my Harley's. Granted, I've only owned 2017 and up HD. I really want to love Indian, but at this point, i just can't...
As a person who lives in Southern Oregon, on I-5, we are at a loss for good dealership support. There is no Indian dealership between Eugene, OR and Sacramento, CA, and unfortunately the HD dealership has a questionable reputation in the community.
I give the edge to HD for fit and finish, but Indian for their Piursuit motor. I have two HDs with early twim cam engines. Both have spring tensions for the cam chains. I never got past that HD sold this engine, knowing it was defective. The stick it to the customer attitude of HD resulted in I will not buy another HD product.
That spring tensioner was a pain in the butt, so I had to fix mine with a new set of hydraulic tensioners, new and much better oil/scavaging pump, and new thicker and billet, not cast, Cam Plate with new bearings! Much better!
@@lylethomsen7901the only Way I could afford one was to buy a stock tc88
I absolutely love my Indian Challenger, and Scout Bobber. The reason I liked Indian, is because of how good the Victory Octane looked. I still think Octane looks better than Scout. Hated riding both Sportster and Sportster XL. I'm a man that appreciates a good deal, so I choose Indian, because at the time, they were cheaper than Harley Davidson. Now Harley starts or cheaper on a lot of models. Including the Road Glide. But when I went to test ride a Road Glide, out the door was 38k. So I went with a used Challenger for 22k with 5k miles. Until the 24 model refresh, I thought Indian took the win. When I test rode that 24 Road Glide, man that's a great bike. Just couldn't do the price. There is a new Indian dealer that popped up on Cincinnati Ohio recently. So they're still growing. I would have had it rather be in Dayton to bridge the distance from dealer to dealer, because there is one in Walton, Ky not far away from Cincinnati. Either way, you go buy either one of these bikes, you'll be happy.
that new steel frame on the scout should really improve aftermarket parts going forward ... hopefully
I ride a 78 kz650 the perfect motorcycle it will do everything reasonably well.
2021 challenger & 2023 road glide in my garage, I've ridin the RG twice.. I can't help myself, when I walk out to the garage to go somewhere that powerplus is like a black hole it just pulls me onto it's seat against my will.
Hi guys from NZ. I ride Honda CB1100EX it is my dream bike and doesn't dissappoint in any way. In NZ cruiser riders don't wave. They think they're above waving to non cruiser riders. A whole different subject. If I could afford a BIG cruiser it would be Harley all the way and I'd remember to wave to all riders.
Just got the Rebel 1100. Love it! I'll wave to skateboarders if they do. Just have fun and ride safe.
@ckenoshmeg3963 Love love love Honda Rebels. Hondas....in my humble opinion are much more reliable than any Harley.
@@eliara-thevoice8430 the CB1100 is a retro 4 ciylinder bit different to the Rebel
I bought a Super Chief Limited and absolutely love it!
My concern a few years ago, was the amount of Indian dealers. Not really an issue now.
Noooo, Indians don't break down, so they don't need that many shops😎
If you switch from Harley to Indian dose that make you a trans - Davidson ????😮😂😂🤘⚡️🤘✨✨✨✨
Both companies want too damned much for an effing motorcycle. Indian is superior technically, with liquid cooling and more power. HD hates their customer base and is on the verge of becoming irrelevant. I want a real Harley which is why I ride a 91 FXR. But aside from the heritage, as far as HD is concerned, I dont exist. Indian dealerships are more reserved, quiet and dignified. HD dealerships and the feel is just like a frat party. I love HD. I think the V-Rod is the Way they should have gone, Indian has amazing looks and tech. Both are asstardedly costly, and I'm not paying that much. I can get a Honda or Yamaha that is 20 years old for less than half as much that will run until the wheels fall off. Keeping my FXR, thanks.
I own 3 FXR’s and a Dyna. I’ve had other Harleys. I agree with you. But, aside from pricing, HD actually ended up building our dream bike.. (thanks to @zenofneato). The Lowrider ST is amazing. But I can’t afford it… I love the esthetics of Indian’s engines. The rest of the appointments, too plasticky… I love to watch Motoamerica King of the Baggers… I hope for a new category of mid sized cruisers. Competition is good.
Up in Canada. I tried getting a Indian Scout last summer but the dealership was screwing me around. I got my cash back and went across the street to Triumph. Picked up the Boniville Bobber and love it and for the options it came with kicks the crap out of the Harley and Scout for the price.
Triumph doesn't kick the crap out of anything.
@@MikeMFnJones1 Keep telling yourself that but on the Indian Scout bobber for the same price I would have been getting ABS, 5 speep transmission, incandescent light and yes more HP. On the Boniville I got a six speed cruise control, heated grips, traction control, LED lighting all the way around and it was limited edition. Ive put over ten thousand miles on her in just under a year without having any mechanical problems.
@@MikeMFnJones1hahahahahaha Hysterical and ignorant comment. Triumph makes fantastic bikes and has been for decades. Where you been?
Not only that, they make appealing and well built motorcycles across many different segments. Clearly Harley-Davidson can't pull that off AT ALL.
There are a one trick pony. Ever go to an MC rally in the past 5-10 years? Nearly every Harley-Davidson is the same, just in a different color. It's silly. Why does everyone have a new bagger when just a couple of years ago a bagger was an old man's bike? And The only guys that bought brand new Harley-Davidsons for the insane prices they are asking were the ones who didn't know how to turn a wrench and build something cool.
The whole "mystique" surrounding Harley-Davidson is a joke. At least in the US, 95% of the 99%ers are posers.😂
@@mattp.7318 just came off a tiger 1200 pro. Piece of junk!
@@mattp.7318 I'm thinking he is on of the Harley owners that when you say the new Sportster is interesting he calls it a chicks bike and puts you down for even liking it. Few people in my family like that.
I've had the chief vintage since 2014 and haven't done anything but tires,battery and oil.
I went to do pads but they were still as good as the new ones 10 years later.
Meanwhile we are forever waiting on my cousins hd to get repaired,tuned,and the Indians just look nicer. You won't regret dumping the played out hd.
I’m 54 & have never owned a motorcycle, but I’ve loved looking at them for many years, especially the Indian. I’m now researching them & am drawn even more towards the Indian: American made & the overall looks & aesthetics are 2 of the main reasons. The Scout Rogue is especially attractive due to its ride position & again, overall looks & lines. The other aspect is the availability of used bikes - seems there are several available due to riders upgrading. This is the start of a new journey for me & I’m going to take my time researching & learning. My biggest hurtle, besides $$$ is the fear of getting hurt. As a former LE officer, I’ve investigated motorcycle wrecks & I always said “I’ll never do that!” LOL! Anyway, like I said, I’ll be taking this slow & steady!
I'm a Honda Cruiser Rider so not like my opinion really matters but Indian is just killing it. I may have bought the basic Sportster of years ago over my Shadow Aero just to have a Harley but I couldn't justify nearly twice the price for their cheapest models. The Indians are very impressive and seem to have an option for everyone. Problem for me is that I don't have a dealer within 3 hours. I saw a scout bobber at the gas station yesterday and it was beautiful and the guy paid like 10,500 for it so a couple grand more than my Shadow new, but twice the motor and everything else they are putting into them. If I had a dealer close it would have been a tough decision between my Honda and something like that.
Last year I was really looking at swapping from Harley and trying out an Indian Challenger or Chieftain, from a 17 Streetglide.
I stayed with harley and the main reason, the dealership experience.
I felt like they really didn't give a crap, never offered a demo ride, I had to tell them I wanted to ride one. Price was absurd at the dealer in KCMO, so I walked.
I'm a harley guy, but when time allows I still want to add a Indian Springfield next to my 24 Roadglide. Whiskey Fire for the win, and LHHD made a killer deal and made the purchase fun.
I can't get used to the overhead cam look of newer engines. I love to see those pushrods. I know, it's stupid. Lol
Where/who is LHHD? I went back to Rawhide HD in Olathe but they were overpriced crazy
@@gundampatriot9103 loess Hills HD up in Pacific Junction.
@@maxxbenzz7842pushrod is 200 year old trash.
Sitting here thinking, Damn! Forgot to replace the toilet paper!
A style of bike I am very interested in for a comparison would be the road king and the Springfield. This is something I haven’t seen you do yet, or I could be wrong.
I own a HD RKS but I must admit that new Indian scout looks very good for around town bike
The Harley FXDR had kind of the same issue that the FRT has. No one knew if it was a sport bike or a cruiser so it turned out neither niche really wanted it.
Only difference is that the FXDR was a sales flop, and the FTR is one of Indians most popular models lmao nothing niche about it, the FTR gets plenty of sales
Last year he wanted a Challenger Elite.
Straight up bias toward Harley. I could tell just by your comments. I have ridden both. Definetly get more bang with your buck with indian. Service for Harleys are ridiculous. You are right about more service spots. That's it.
You obviously didn't watch the video or comprehend it the message. Indian has probably been a better bike for the last 5 or more years until 2024. The 2024 baggers closed that gap, has all the features for emergency built in, at 3k less than Indian.
I just bought a Roadmaster Elite 2024. Love the colors.
Pappy Hoel who basically started the Sturgis Rally owned an Indian Dealership and Indian also built bikes for the war effort. So both brands have been around since the beginning.
I guess everyone forgot the Victory lineup by Polaris. Forgot how they dropped that line on bikes that had alot of appeal.
😭😭😭😭😭
Loved my Vegas and my buddies cross country tour is phenomenally still !
Rode sports bikes my whole life, made the switch to a sport chief and couldn’t be happier .
Love the bike , don’t matter what brand you ride aslong as your happy
I have a 2020 roadglide and a chieftain 2019 darkhorse. Love them both. Indian definitely better bang for the buck. Miss my suspension, locking bags, adjustable windshield, better sound system
I ride a 2024 RG and love it. Dont think I'd ever ride an indian bagger. The one Indian i would consider is the sport chief as a secondary bike. They look awesome
Picked up a sport chief back in Early March, over 1000 miles of smiles per gallon so far!! 😎
Riding a 2019 Indian chief classic with 111 Thunderstroke. Smooth as hell and massive power. Never rode a Harley and since I bought the Indian I probably never will.
Just bought my first Indian, Vintage Chief,wish I didn't waste money and aggravating service and finance crap with Harley for so many years. Never got so many compliments on over 23 Harleys I've owned over the years, this thing is super comfortable, fast, easy riding ever,absolutely love it
I rode suzis and kawis, 4 alltogether, two little ones 2 big ones. 200k miles. So much fun.
Love my 2021 scout bobber twenty. Best bang for your buck such a bad ass bike no issues at all.
I’m not a bagger guy. I don’t hate American cruisers and have owned a couple built Harley’s and definitely loved the scout test ride I had. That said full disclosure my stable is a sport bike, a classic ujm and an 80s shadow. I’m more about the ride I don’t care about pretty much anything else so really neither bike appeals to me. All that said, I’d pick the Indian for the motor but I’d pick the harely for sound and style if it’s all I had to choose from. Of course I’d rather have a v65 magna or a classic kz1000ltd for less than the down payment or what full coverage insurance for a year would cost me financing a 30k bike
Indian FTR vs Sportster S = Indian wins
Sport Chief vs Low Rider S = Harley wins
Springfield vs Road King = Both are good...tie
Challenger / Chieftain vs Road/Street Glide = now this is contentious...
Indians sus is better vs a low rider S
I'm from South Africa and my experience with H-Ds and Indians is as follow. I rode an Indian Roadmaster in 2020 and long story short, it felt I was sitting in my favorite arm chair watching my favorite move at 130km/h.
About a year later, I rode an Ultra and when I got back to the dealer I couldn't wait to get off it. Got a spasm in my thigh almost immediately after taking off, which was not my first time experiencing that riding a Harley. The buffeting on the Harley was unbearable, especially above 110km/h. I find it very strange the Indian had almost none. I also rode few softails in 2019 and a street glide. Of the 4 bikes I rode, the only I'd one consider buying was the heritage classic.
Oh and why does Harleys not have a Neutral? One thing I did enjoy about the Indians is that you could change gear without using the clutch. Just close the throttle to release the torque off the gearbox and boom, onto the next gear.
It's a shame there's so few Indians in SA and almost no 2nd ones available as I'd love to be able to have a Roadmaster or Pursuit one day
I love my 24 Road Glide, picked it up a week ago. Went to Indian and they just looked at me. I’m into technology and found Harley to be superior, I’ve heard Indian has had many electronics issues and the TFT display was anemic and dated.
What technology does the Road Glide have, that the Challenger doesn't?
owning a new challenger and a new CVO the the Harley is hands down better overall. Add in the aftermarket support for tuning etc and its not even close. The 23 challenger still cant be tuned without losing cruise, radio etc, yet new cvo and 24's for harley can be tuned easily.
I had an indian scout rogue, was such a harsh ride, headlight was awful, that being said it was a great bike for short trips under 40 mins or so, loved that engine.
Have a HD lowrider st now and it's perfect
I got the gold wing Valkyrie and bmw K1600
Warming towards the latter.
As for Indian and Harley,
Title is click bait-ish. Your knowledge of the bikes and comparisons is insightful. In 2023 I would have bought the challenger, in 24, I bought the Road Glude. Indian’s influence us clearly benefiting Harley types and vice versus.
13:47. The term you're looking for is naked or naked sport bike. Additionally, it's only outside the box for Indian and Harley. Nearly every other manufacturer has one, usually multiple bukes that fit in the category. I like Harley to ride but considering the price vs the fit and finish I don't see a reason to buy one besides the name.
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The rogue is not in the new scout lineup the sport scout is the replacement I believe
And also, about the windshield…with an electric windshield comes more equipment and more weight which adds to that bloated Indian fairing. For something that as you say is not a deal breaker for many. But if the Scout and Sportster lineups were the only bikes in the world to choose from, gotta say I would go Scout.
When it comes to the lightweight cruisers, Harley might as well quit. The new Scout is perfection. I think the rest of the lineup is very competitive perhaps giving Harley the edge. But I’d rather deal with my Indian dealership and service department (they’re like family), than I would with a bunch of corporate motivated jerk-wads at my local Harley Davidson “boutique.”
My local is cool, and they don't sell bikes made for jack daniels, especially when they support the jack daniels drag queen camp for kids.
@@WolfinWolvesClothing713 my local likes to charge $4000 above MSRP and asks $900 for a 500 mile service that according to Harley Davidson corporate involves two hours labor and fluids. And my understanding is, this is not uncommon in HD. I for one have never been into financing a few thousand dollars of inequity directly into my vehicle loans. But that’s just me, call me stupid. Oh, Jack Daniels was on board before they pulled their woke trick. Harley jumped on with Bud Light after the drag queen drama.
The Nightster's MSRP might be $12,000, but because HD markups are insabe, you are not getting that bike for less than $16,000. Where the Indian is 13k MSRP, you are gonna ride it out of the dealership for $15k.
I got a question to anyone who owns a motorcycle and i like all opinions. If i was to get a motorcycle for the first time. I want something that is sporty,not as fast but not slow and not small but not big,im sure anyone who own one for there first bike would not go over $5,000 so it has to be light weight not heavy and come with a side bags. From yall and of course Hegshot Rides can answer this. What motorcycle is right for me at a range of $1-4,000?
I don't pretend to be a businessman or economist, but I said this in 2017 and I still feel like Polaris should have kept the Victory brand alive until they were sure the FTR was going to perform like they hoped it would and they killed it way too early. Also, as far as the Bronx goes, considering the abysmal performance of the FXDR, maybe it's a good thing that HD scrapped the Bronx.
Polaris has nearly twice the dealerships HD has and half the debt. They need to find a way to incorporate Indian within. Seems it would be a win/win for the corporation and customer long term.
I purchased a used 2016 Ultra Classic with 5 miles on it in 2020. The bike was in new condition. I rode the bike and got rid of it after 9 months. It was the BIGGEST PoS I ever rode. I wound up getting a 2019 Fat Boy 114, which I do enjoy, but it will be my last Harley. They have tons of issues and are simply over priced. I am SOOO glad that, of all the bikes I have owned, only they Harleys I bought used. I also have a 2018 VMax I bought new and LOVE it! :)
Apples and oranges….. I would love to get my hands on a chief vintage. I’ve had a sporty, softail and touring model. Loved all 3. I’d love to delve into the Indian brand. I’m not a HD fan boy, I just love bikes. I’ve gone with Harley 3 times in a row, mainly for the aftermarket parts. I like to tinker.
Do you mean the gap is opening?
That batwing faring with the wide headlight looks like Audrey from "Little Shop of Horrors."
I like the FTR, but think it's heavy for what it is.
The new Harley bikes has improved in many ways but u still have to use a spare wrench to adjust the suspension..lol..Challenger is still better in performance n the infotainment is better quality in sound stock..but Harley is definitely better today..we will see what comes down the pike in the future..Ride Safe 😊
What you think about the Indian Springfield dark horse
Indian generally makes better bikes if you compare stock bikes. But if you like to customize Harley gives you more options. I traded my Indian Springfield for a 2024 Harley road glide and love the new Harley. Looks, performance… the whole 9 yard.
As far as baggers…..the Engine and Suspension on the Challengers is WAY better than the standard RG. You’d have to spend $10k to get the standard RG up to the DH Challenger. But I appreciate the take. It’s closer than ever, and ultimately the consumers win!
I think both these companies biggest mistake is that they cater to a certain age and income bracket. I would have bought a Harley a long time ago but they’re just to damn expensive. Be more appealing and affordable and they would increase their target audience, guaranteed
Why would you think a Harley fan boy to openly pick Indian
I did...
Different bikes, different features. I'm sold on Triumphs, because they are the only company that had any bike that fit what I was looking for. Now, I can directly compare what it does and doesn't have with other triumphs (lots of the same stuff in different kinds of bikes) and with other companies' bikes.
So, you can definitely sell me on more of the stuff I already like. You have to get me to spend my time on anything else to sell me on those things
You did the Chief lineup a bit dirty 😂 They have the Chief, Chief Bobber, Sport Chief, and Super Chief, and then everyone of these has a blacked out variant called the "Dark Horse" For exmaple, Chief Dark Horse. Or, Chief Bobber Dark Horse. Etc.
I live my life on the used market. I like both of the american cruisers but dont own one yet. They are just a bit out of my price range. I have a metric cruiser and it gets the job done. It is just difficult to get aftermarket support. That is why harley is better.
I started out on a minibike at 4yrs old and then jumped up on dirtbikes as i grew up,and then got into a 1200 sporty and had a cbr600f41 when i turned 19 As,i grew up i jumped from harley to rockets depending on how fast i wanted to go and crazy if need be,then upgraded the harley to a bigger 1,and to an yzfr6 just to cover evey itch i may have had..in 2003 i got the silver and black anniversary lowrider which i still have,and sold the crotch rocket after my daughter was born in 04..but as much as i like indians and what polaris has done with them and what you get for the money,to me they just dont have enough after market parts..and man do i wish they would bring back the victory line to America..but ive been looking at buying a new bike and im honestly looking at a chieftain darkhorse..but will never part from my lowrider..
The ftr is a street fighter i love it my previous street fighter was a Kawasaki zrx 1200
I own both. indian is better hands down .if your planning a road trip i dont have to worry about breaking down .
34 consistant years on Harleys. I've SEEN INDIANS. Can't knock em but just would never ride anything else, but HD. I'm probably on my last one now. 2019 cvo limited, and I'm 64 years old. I usually keep em 10 years and flip em. But I don't think I'll be riding into my 70's. Maybe. Who knows.
I’ve been riding Harleys since I were 18 and my only only Indian is a 1947 Chief, so I can’t talk about the Polaris Indian, but I do think that their line up looks awesome and I would definitely buy an Indian if they were still around in my country (Brazil), they entered the market here and left a couple of years later unfortunately. I’d definitely buy an FTR if it were available here, I think that it looks way cooler than the Pan America. It’s a Flat tracker by the way, like the XR 750.
I love The look of Indian and the new HD's are finally looking modern so competition is obviously good, but, Im a long way from affording either. Im seriously considering a used Vequero next year to sit next to my FZ1. Those are around $10k for a low mile well taken care of one. HD's might hold their value but you have to afford them first.
Been on a Victory Cross Country for about 8 years now. Still love it like the day I bought it. If God forbid it ever went down on me, I am sticking with Polaris. Indian line looks and to me, performs better. I have teased myself test riding both and hands down, the smoothness of the Indian is uncomparable
i think their nightster was going for the naked bike , but others are putting out ridiculous numbers
What happened to the trikes
I just can't decide which is fugliest, the Scout or the Nightster 😂
Dropped the ball on not using the best bagger on the block
I ended up going with the Nightster special to get my bearings back after 10 years off a bike. Definitely have buyers remorse and should have gone Indian hands down. Indian scout in my opinion is so much better than the Nightster. It’s night and Day.
Personally both companies should try harder. They both seem overpriced for tech that's behind the times. They both seem to be going with bigger engine for more power while the rest of the world is getting more power out of smaller engines. A 72 c.i. or smaller producing 185 hp or more is common almost expected in today's world.
If you want small, high RPM pistons then sure and those are usually para twins, inline 4s, 3s, etc. They're usually not V-Twin, undersquare engines. Cruisers are not built for speed and since they're usually heavier, need their torque kicking in at lower RPMs. Does this require a bigger engine? Ehh, not entirely sure. However that's not what these companies are about. Could you slap a Rebel 1100 engine in a HD? Maybe, but it'd look ridiculous. Their bikes are built around the large V-Twin look. And no, the tech is not behind the times. I'm not sure why people get on here thinking that a cruiser should have high horsepower numbers then complain that they can't turn good. That is not what cruisers are built for.
"tech behind the times" How much bullshit to you want to cluster fk and pay $$$ to troubleshoot. There is way too much garbage on these bikes as it is
Horsepower is important on high revving, high speed bikes. Torque is more important on heavy, touring machines
I was gonna move to indian. Found a 21 roadglide special for only 23k and 5k miles on it and it was billard teal.. yup bought it so fast. It stands out on all the rides. Honestly. Both indian and harley are amazing bikes. I'll always have live for harley over indian though