Honestly schoolyard kids fight better. Two who were supposedly "masters" fought like that?? OMG!! That was a disgrace!!! Not sure how they got famous?? They brought bad name and reputation to REAL CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS!!
I mean let's be honest, this is how most fights that don't involve professional fighters look like! Even when it involves martial artists. I think Bruce Lee and other martial arts stars created this romanticized view of what people think every martial artist should look like when in reality fights are a lot more disorganized and involve more gross motor skills than people think.
Bruce Lee actually did the opposite. He even quoted "Any man who has trained in boxing and wrestling will beat anyone who's trained martial arts his entire life."
@Mayowa ok now you're just being racist and narrowminded. And how are you so sure you could beat them with Muay Thai? Are you a Muay Thai champion? So Muay Thai is the end all be all of martial arts? Sounds like you're being a little naive. All martial arts have strengths....and they also have weaknesses. Muay Thai is no exception.
@afranks8566 It's no secret that it changed rapidly when it was exposed to Western boxing. Muy Thai is great because they use they test and examine the evidence of what works. If schools kept practicing Muy Boran without actually fighting, I don't believe that they'd be effective either. It's not East vs West, it's training fighting vs dancing. Folks who focus on forms can do beautiful forms well, folks who fight can fight. There's some overlap. Both build stronger bodies and can lead to injury. However, these gentlemen were delusional in their overestimations
This is what happens when you spend years training forms and compliant techniques, but not doing any sparring. Ironically, the people who train poorly like this are the ones most likely to refer to themselves as "master."
Depends on which forms. I trained 6 years in forms from what I picked up in tkd, Norris' Winning Tournament Karate, and juku ryu, and did OK when I went back to free sparring. However, all the animal forms and acting like an animal in Kung Fu is like when you make up cool sounding words when teaching little kids how to swim.
Are you guys serious... ? If you are... you have already lost before you even begin the fight. Your Ignorance already sealed your fate, my money is on any of the 2 masters. You have untrained eyes and cannot see what's happening in the background.
Your comment is very interesting but also very wrong. For most people and all historians, Macau 1954 isn't "Communist China" but fascist (and very anticommunist) Portugal... It has something to do with, you know (I hope), colonialism. It makes your other comment "They're probably relatives of the local Communist Party Chairman" very funny too, because a Communist wouldn't be invited in a territory ruled by Portugal, a fascist country at this time. And when you look about the biography of one of the fighters (Wu Kung-i), you even see he fled Communist China to live in Hong Kong (an English territory at this time, as you may know)...
This is like Picasso said, "I spent all my life trying to learn how to paint like a child" But in this case I would say - they practiced their entire life to fight like children- Hahaha, it is really sad, I expected more from them.
How is this not White Crane and Tai Chi? How are these 2 suppose to fight ? A fight is a fight. You can fight any way you like. Only difference is you get your training in different styles.
Negrodamus This is no joke. If you expect a kungfu fighter to fight like what you see Jackie Chan does in the movies or Jet Li, you are too naive or you simply have been watching too much kungfu movies. Be real.you can train in any martial art but when you fight you fight any way you can that gives you the best results in any given situation. --The style is internal and in their training, not necessary explicit or demonstrated explicitly in actual fight.
one thing to remember is that Jackie Chan and others were actually trained as Chinese Opera acrobats. Pretty sure they did actual sparring sometimes, but that for sure wasn’t as screen-ready as their opera skills.
When I watched this fight the first time, my reaction was "What happened to the beautiful Kung Fu?" I think that we get trained to expect beautifully choreographed fights from all the Action Films that Jackie Chan made. This is important footage as a testament to how real martial arts fights never look good or clean. As far as I can tell, neither master was trying to showcase the beautifully-looking "styles" that we normally see in training videos; they were demonstrating that after training in one style or another, they had the means to defend themselves against punches and kicks. What I got out of this is that with the Chinese martial arts, the form is there for strength and sensitivity training, but a fighter doesn't restrict himself to the beautiful-looking movements of the form. He uses the muscle memory and strength built up from training to defend himself during combat. Also, did anyone pick up on the subtitles? This was a charity event, not an animosity-filled challenge fight. I think we TH-camrs who enjoy watching martial arts can learn some humility from these masters. The fight was stopped because both masters had demonstrated their point; Pak Hok Pai showed the ferocity of White Crane, and Wu Gongyi defended himself pretty well (considering that he's a much much older man!). They were NOT out for blood.
狮城武生 : You are miss-led by those kung-fu films made by Jackie Chan or Jet Li even Bruce Lee. The kung-fu styles or patterns used in the fighting is entertainment which would not last for a few minutes as in the road (street) fight. On the other hand those fighting patterns are pre-set by the kung-fu instructor or director in the dramatic (or even comical) way. Otherwise how does a film last for 2 hours.
When you train in wrestling or boxing your fighting looks like your training, bjj tai boxing or any effective martial style you train the way you fight. To practice movements you don't intend to use or can't use in a real fight is silly and less than pointless it's counterproductive.
Funny how in real fighting,form and flash go right out the window. I can't believe they put hitting sound effects like from kung fu movies in the matches.😁
was the fellow with the mustache trying to destroy the other fellow's "jab" arm by swinging at it? was that an actual tactic or was he just flayling about? Also, the only applicable technique I saw from then was the arm drag to a right cross.
Before fighting with Yi Long, the so called world TKD muti-champion said that Chinese kung fu is exercise for elderlies and is as lousy as the Chinese national football team ! He boasted that the TKD kicking is the best kicking in the world. But in the fighting. He behaved like a small boy. When he missed his own kicks , he self-toppled more than 10 times.Those korean girls sitting below the platform even covered their eyes. They felt ashame to see such a korean plus world champion laying on the floor like a crying baby. Dear friend, do you think this world champion is better than the above tai chi masters ? How come no comment saying that : TKD is useless in real fight ?
The one thing I don't like about this fight was how the rules were set up. Judges made it so that kicks, throws, and joint locks weren't allowed, so that really limited the available techniques. For anybody familiar with Taijiquan, you'd realize that it's primarily a grappling art. As for Tibetan White Cran, I'm not that familiar....
There was Tai Chi in this video, but it wasn't in the main event. Also, the fighters in the main event do not appear to have skill in any traditional martial art. They appear to be amateur kickboxers.
that was just the preliminary bout with beginners.. the main event features guys on strings flying around like crouching tiger hidden dragon. too bad tape was cut early theres a woman vs man bout in the co main event practicing doggy style kung fu naked
The boxing techniques (eg swing punch) of Wu Gung-yi are still praised and promoted by some of his present-day followers. They claim that Wu's techniques in this fight embodied a new method of Fa-Jin (發勁) to discharge power in the attack rather than defense mode. Wow wow!
Curious to know your elaborated thoughts as a wu style practitioner (I notice your channel name) I'm learning wu style right now, but I'm from a modern MMA background. I don't think much of it as a practical martial art
It looked really funny because it the past there was no real sparring training, each school just practiced closed doors, and restricted their trainings to the solo & fixed punching sequence... This is why when it cane to full contact fights, neither fighter looked well trained, and it appeared like a street fight between amateurs!!
+Aaron Harmon they had tooo few combat experience, so they did not use out their sect good skills to do the defence and offence. If they did not have any combat experience, of course, the first combat will make them can not think out how their sect's skills to kill, defence, offence enemies.
I have no horse in this race, but it seems to me that even with these two contestants, we would all be singing different tunes about the video if and only if both contestants fought with razor sharp katars (keep the fighting style, just add the weapon). Having a katar shoved repeatedly into your head brings a whole new meaning to "martial arts."
If I, a Chinese guy, had seen this in my teens, I should have awakened much earlier and need not wait to get disillusioned until 23 when I first went to a beginner Muay Thai class. But all those myths, legends, excuses, etc.(e.g. recent exaggerations about Yip Man and Wing Chun) still exist and hype people up (even some foreigners). Few Chinese dare to answer this question: Why did Bruce Lee have to originate Jeet Kune Do?
It's unbelievable how kung-fu "styles" go belly up as soon as people start to fight, IF they are not also trained to fight real people..you cannot just train against shadows, despite that being necessary. You have to become and embody the principles of that style, and contemporarily study to apply them to a context
The problem was the rules, Taijiquan relies on close quarters work and sticking using sweeps locks, throws , punches and low kicks. Nice to see this historic fight though, thanks for uploading
I thought after reading the comments that I would be prepared for what the fight would actually look like. I was wrong. Kinda makes me wonder what the Bruce Lee/Wong Jack Man fight really looked like.
i feel this is south part kung fu, not north part. North part use the leg and feet kick more. And south part use hands more. They just had tooooo few actual combat experience. if they join more actual combat, they will fight very well.
Interesting clip made 60 years ago. Naturally that's how people fights in a ring. Need great discipline and mental control to use their "Kung Fu" defending themselves which was lacking with these 2 fighters. Calm mind is the way to improve fighting skills. Be like water, my friends.
When I was 15 or so, I'd been training in martial arts for about 2 years and up to my neck in kungfu film/shows, i saw this and thought it was a joke and realized it was not. That was the beginning a long journey of self legitimization
It's very clear that this guy's have absolutely no control, they where probably masters of slow forms, like the tai chi practiced by old people in the parks. Their punching is just swinging arms all over and the kicks it's just like a 3 years old kid kicking a soccer ⚽ ball.
Hammerfists a plenty! Even a wing chun fighter might have done alright here. It is painfully clear just how much more advanced western boxing is with hand techniques, although kung-fu/taiji is amazing for a whole load of other reasons.
Western boxing looked the same at its origins. Not because it was less effective, but because the fight conditions were different. People fought without gloves
5.24 when he booted him up the arse had me howling! Windmilling with your eyes shut and head up like a chicken is not a pretty sight. How were the crowd not roaring with laughter? I've seen game 6 year olds in West Ham Boxing Club scrap like demons - neither giving an inch. These clowns learned in front of the media and a huge crowd that they can't fight and all of their training has been for nothing. I know guys from various branches of Kung Fu who can scrap and they must be devastated at this footage! After seeing this I'm not surprised the Chinese team who went to Bangkok in the 1930's all got put in hospital by Muay Thai fighters!
Back to 2014? Why not Francis... People these days have worked out (through trial and error) that you have to train in a Muay Thai/Full Contact style for standing and an MMA/Wrestling/BJJ style if you want to be able to fight for real, either standing or on the ground. Muay Thai and the "mixed matches" in Holland in the 1970's were way ahead of the curve. The grappler would win 8 out of 10 of those fights with a simple takedown of the striker, ending quickly with a choke or joint lock - all well before BJJ made it's debut onto the World stage. Now MMA is a constantly evolving, hybrid performance art that's enjoyed by millions worldwide, with a well established set of rules in place to make it as safe as possible for the participants. Also it's still news when a half decent Muay Thai fighter gets beaten and it's likely as not, by a style that's delivery system is virtually a carbon copy of Muay Thai. Nowadays lots of people see MMA working well and have forgotten all that went before. Imaginary situations dealt with with one or two strikes etc. Joe Rogan has said all this way better than I can. I'm lucky that I started (by chance) Muay Thai training back in the 1980's. It's been a reliable reference point for me as to what works in a fight and what doesn't. The training the guys in this video did for all those years reaped little reward when it came to the crunch - from what I can see. I'm not poking anyone in the eye with my comments btw - it's just the way it is.
Those kung-fu fighters were amateur kung-fu practitoners with part-time practice at night after work (mostly in Thai-land). But their opponents were professional ring-fighters( Is it fair competition ?) Some of the kung-fu fighters even first time fought with gloves in their lives. This happened 80 years ago. By that time China was still not yet open to the world, good fighters were all in China mean-land. It is meaningless to boost the old grand-grand fathers` (out of date) story. Let`s come back to 2000 yr. and focus on the performances of Yi Long, Fang-Bian, Liu Hai-Long, Zhang Kai-Yin,......Philo68, please wake up from your old dreams and look at the new information ! 不要再懐旧了！！！
Philo68 Let us go back to 1930 : by the time, none of the Chinese table-tennis player entered the Quarter-final in table-tennis world cup. But around 2000 China swept all the champions in man-single and double , woman-single and double in table-tennis world cup ! Another example : in 1930 America was the richest nation in the world, but around 2000, it bears a heavy debt almost a few hundred billion dollars, in average every American has to share a loan about 30 thousand dollars . It seems it needs to clear this heavy debt by 2 generations at least. If your time-machine could go back to Tang dynasty of China (1500 years ago). King of Siam had paid a visit to China every year to honor the emperor of Tang Dynasty !
"I know guys from various branches of Kung Fu who can scrap and they must be devastated at this footage!" A quote from my original post on this clown show... Please guys ease up on the hate. It's not my fault that this footage is so embarrassing. I was not born when this went down and I didn't miss much. My quote above should show that it is a mixture of the man and the method. I know guys who don't train at all but are just born hard as nails - they'd go through these chaps like shit through a goose! I have not ( nor ever would say) that nobody from Kung Fu or China can scrap. I do still maintain that Muay Thai or similar performance based martial arts are way more effective than these two clowns going at it. Yi Long and all the other (non Thai) fighters are great but it's still big news when he beats any Muay Thai fighters and it's with similar training methods and a similar delivery system. The shit these guys are trying does not work. Open your eyes! I don't need a time machine gentleman, I have this video - this is old footage hence my 1930's quote about the Kung Fu vs Muay Thai meeting. I thought it would serve to illustrate how badly the "internal arts" performed against a superior system of fighting that served them so royally. Things have changed for the better in this day and age and I applaud that progress. Toshio Fujiwara is one of my favorite fighters ever. Do I dislike him because he's not Thai? No, because I'm not that childish. I guarantee that Fujiwara and all the guys who went/go against Muay thai and win, train in a style similar to them. I also guarantee that (apart from a freak accident) any of the training the guys in this footage did would not be effective in a real situation or ring fight. Hohn Khew Wong "Those kung-fu fighters were amateur kung-fu practisoners with part-time practice at night after work (mostly in Thai-land). But their opponents were professional ring-fighters( Is it fair competition ?) Some of the kung-fu fighters even first time fought with gloves in their lives" Boo Hoo! I feel so sorry for them. If you step into the square jungle you know it's about to go down. If you live in Thailand you may have an inkling of what you're up against don't you think? The two guys here had no gloves and look how lethal they were! Simply chilling technique... I'm not going to argue about where all the real fighters in China, Russia, England or anywhere else were back in the day (which is when this footage is from). I'm just going to let this footage speak for itself. It's far more powerful than any sniggering or comments I am capable of posting. What's next? A public challenge and more (hopefully not so appalling) footage for this website?
the first fight between the guy with the robe and the guy with the tie involved two of the most revered grand masters. The person with the shirt and tie is Lau Fat man, grand master of eagle claw father of Lily lau currently one of the grand master of Ying jaw pai. I will let the viewers judge themselves
It's an absolute insult to those who really trained in martial arts. These guys look like two uncoordinated kids fighting in a elementary school in their first ever fight where neither one knew how to throw a punch or kick. I know White Crane and Tai Chi. Trained in both when I was young and realized very early on how useless they were for real self defense. And this video just confirmed my suspicion.
Bruce Lee had to originate JKD because he only learned the basics of Wing Chun. The problem with the myths is that there are nearly no such people left nowadays. Many "myths" are true but the secrets are lost.
What a sad looking "fight". It looks like all their martial arts training went out the window. No blocking or yielding. But even their punching looks weird for both of them.
This was a minor event in a charity show in a small place : Hong Kong (1954) not as you said kung-fu " world " . If you want to watch the latest kung-fu fight on the international platform, please go to : " Fang Bian vs Simon Marcus, 2015 "
funkyboodah lol... who told you that is "Major event" the vid description ? dude if your mission is to go around and check all of the youtubers which did not understand the content of the vid which they are uploading, or if you are on some mission to correct everybody who wrote wrong explanations, provided with wrong information's (consciously or not) or to tell everybody who accidentally made wrong assumptions about their uploaded content it would be like 85% of all youtube clips up there about ANY subject... good luck withthat... this was kind of important because of certain political reasons (and rather long story why) but has nothing to do with being "major event" in eyes of any fighting arts in 20ct China or Japan by that matter ..
Leonard Orr it could cal it a "major event" because it was public: there was clearly a large crowd who dressed up to see it, tickets were sold, and it was televised - this suggests there was some story leading to the event and there was great anticipation about the fight itself. I wonder if people were dissapointed that these guys looked more like bums fighting...
this explains why Bruce Lee is trying to make a change in chinese martial arts to save the dying martial arts of chinese culture, by giving life back to the art to be dynamic and flowing, you can clearly see masters performing poorly in a simple match.
This video does no justice to Taijiquan. These men were not even using it. And I know, because I have used it in fights and it looked nothing like this. For example, someone in a bar once came at me with an over-head hammer fist. I stepped back one step, caught their wrist with my outer wrist, used a rollback-press, and put them on their ass with one spiraled movement. They hit the ground so hard on their ass that they actually thought I had thrown them and told everyone that's what I had done. Taiji is like magic once you're using it correctly. This? I don't know what this is.
You hear all this bullshit about Push Hands,Tai Chi, Kung Fu, Chi and then you get these guys to fight and they Box one another. So much for the style of Wu Flung Shit from One Hung Lo brother of Cream of Sum Yun Guy
MasterZhang My practice is so stylized as to be this divergent from what actual fighting looks like because I do it for fitness rather than ever expecting to fight with it - as with a majority~
Gonna let you in on a secret - doing it fight fighting also accomplishes the "fitness" goal. There's no problem with not doing it for fighting, just don't have the delusion that it will somehow help with fighting any more than regular tae bo sessions.
Till maybe 30-40 years ago, martial arts were something conceptually different... One was what they tought in clubs, one was the fight. One thing did not even meet the other. At that time, in western world, just boxe, savate and little other were "real" figthing methods, other like all Kung Fu stiles were just...choreography, healty art, tradition. So, even masters like those in the video, were useless in real fighting... Just some styles promoted barehands real fight, like taekwondo, kyokushin karate and other... Take a look to some picture or videos of Grand Master Hee Hil Choo (taekwondo) he was used to win barehands fights by KO, 30-40 years ago!
Collus Gouki Khan Don`t use the present (2015) concept to judge the old event 60 years (1954) ago. So many Chinese kung-fu fighters are in the ring nowadays. Why don`t you pass comments on their performance. Yi Long defeated so many world class, even multi-world class, kick boxers ,TKD and Muay Thai champions. Don`t tell me that you did not see the recent fight : Fang Bian KO-ed the world ranked NO. 1, Top Muay Thai champion in Jan, 2015 unless you have day-blindness or night-blindness. You blamed an old tai-chi school master not even champion of a small place (Hong Kong) but not those world champions in big countries like America, New Zealand, Canada and Germany defeated by Chinese title-less small flies in the present international platforms. That shows you are a racial extremist with biased discrimination !!!
Hohn Khew Wong Im not a racist if I Know that all of those pussied in the cages that just roll around and use more steroids than they eat think they can fight,an expirienced kung fu fighter in old days did not care is he going to win some kind of tournament,he kept with living with normal life even though he knew how to fight and even though he could beat the shit out of every fake fighters nowadays,he minded his own business and kept training to get self perfection,the fighting part was just a big plus.They weren't shallow to beat each other for money,they knew what honor was.
30 or 40 years are too long and too old. for example an PC, only 3 years would be out of date ! Why don`t you code some of the present or recent events to illustrate your view. By the way, Grand master Hee Hil choo (TKD) had no chance to meet Yi Long, otherwise, he would be another Young Jin-Meng (the korean national and world TKD champion !) There is a proverb in Chinese : “山中无虎豹，猴子也称王”，meaning : if no tiger and leopard in the mountain, money would be a king in the jungle !!!
Collus Gouki Khan Don`t talk too much about the ancient time.......what...what events(the grand,...grandfather`s stories). All are gone cases now and mostly are your imagination and assumption !!! Give more recent examples which we could see now on the net to verify your points!
On voit bien que c'est de la boxe chinoise, du kung-fu, l'un utilise les coups en marteau dans 8 directions, c'est un vieux style de kung-fu. Les frappes sont souvent circulaires et fouéttées. Mais on dirait 2 débutants, après quelques cours... les frappes sont mal exécutées, il n'y a pas de blocages, les déplacements sont bordéliques...
They should not have agreed to a boxing match. Tai chi chuan emphasizes wrestling and thats what they should have agreed to. Push-hands competition would have been a much better option as well. I say this knowing full well that one of the practitioner's here is a white crane stylist, not a practitioner of tai chi chuan. White crane is better suited for boxing but there isnt much "boxing" here. More of a sloppy slapfest. Anyone know why they agreed to this at all?
I never realized that I was already a martial arts master
It’s not even martial arts, it’s Kunfu(street fighter brawl if you don’t know what kunfu means)
Honestly schoolyard kids fight better. Two who were supposedly "masters" fought like that?? OMG!! That was a disgrace!!! Not sure how they got famous??
They brought bad name and reputation to REAL CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS!!
Who ever photo shopped the removal of the handbags from this film did a brilliant job.
I mean let's be honest, this is how most fights that don't involve professional fighters look like! Even when it involves martial artists. I think Bruce Lee and other martial arts stars created this romanticized view of what people think every martial artist should look like when in reality fights are a lot more disorganized and involve more gross motor skills than people think.
Bruce Lee actually did the opposite. He even quoted "Any man who has trained in boxing and wrestling will beat anyone who's trained martial arts his entire life."
@Mayowa ok now you're just being racist and narrowminded. And how are you so sure you could beat them with Muay Thai? Are you a Muay Thai champion? So Muay Thai is the end all be all of martial arts? Sounds like you're being a little naive. All martial arts have strengths....and they also have weaknesses. Muay Thai is no exception.
@Mayowa and it's kinda goofy making fun of Asian martial arts when Muay Thai is....wait for it.....an Asian Martial Art!! 😱
@afranks8566 It's no secret that it changed rapidly when it was exposed to Western boxing. Muy Thai is great because they use they test and examine the evidence of what works. If schools kept practicing Muy Boran without actually fighting, I don't believe that they'd be effective either.
It's not East vs West, it's training fighting vs dancing. Folks who focus on forms can do beautiful forms well, folks who fight can fight. There's some overlap. Both build stronger bodies and can lead to injury. However, these gentlemen were delusional in their overestimations
Just the opposite. Research what BL has to say about traditional Gung Fu before you speak.
1954: This ended up a non-decision. Makes sense since it was a non-fight.
Any pro boxer active in the 50's would've wrecked these guys.
Imagine Floyd Patterson or Rocky Marciano versus either of these guys!!😱
any non boxer at a bar would too
This is what happens when you spend years training forms and compliant techniques, but not doing any sparring. Ironically, the people who train poorly like this are the ones most likely to refer to themselves as "master."
lol This doesn't even look like they knew any forms.
Depends on which forms. I trained 6 years in forms from what I picked up in tkd, Norris' Winning Tournament Karate, and juku ryu, and did OK when I went back to free sparring.
However, all the animal forms and acting like an animal in Kung Fu is like when you make up cool sounding words when teaching little kids how to swim.
This is one of the reasons why Bruce Lee invented jeet kune doe...
I'm no martial artist in any way, shape or form.
However, I'm confident to say, I have a very good chance against these two masters.
dont be too humble, i am pretry sure you can fuck them up
haha...if i can do it, so can you!
I don't know what shape of form you're in, but confident you have more than a good chance against these two masters - at the same time!!!
Even nowadays, I believe few people have chance to win M. WU. Because modern fight doesn't use real taichi techniques
Are you guys serious... ? If you are... you have already lost before you even begin the fight. Your Ignorance already sealed your fate, my money is on any of the 2 masters. You have untrained eyes and cannot see what's happening in the background.
I keep expecting Charlie Chaplin to get in the ring and have a go, lol!
Yes, it was truly that bad. But remember this is Communist China. Cronyism is rife and the whole thing was just a propaganda show.
Your comment is very interesting but also very wrong. For most people and all historians, Macau 1954 isn't "Communist China" but fascist (and very anticommunist) Portugal... It has something to do with, you know (I hope), colonialism. It makes your other comment "They're probably relatives of the local Communist Party Chairman" very funny too, because a Communist wouldn't be invited in a territory ruled by Portugal, a fascist country at this time. And when you look about the biography of one of the fighters (Wu Kung-i), you even see he fled Communist China to live in Hong Kong (an English territory at this time, as you may know)...
This is like Picasso said, "I spent all my life trying to learn how to paint like a child" But in this case I would say - they practiced their entire life to fight like children- Hahaha, it is really sad, I expected more from them.
This is hilarious.. I think the humor is being lost on all those who are upset that they not seeing some crazy awesome fight going on.
The fuck. They fight like they forgot all their fucking kung fu.
it looks like 2 drunk asian dude fighting after the club let out
how is this white crane? or tai chi? sumone plz explain!!!
Please close your eyes to image how the cranes are fighting for food!
How is this not White Crane and Tai Chi? How are these 2 suppose to fight ? A fight is a fight. You can fight any way you like. Only difference is you get your training in different styles.
Francis Loh lol where is the style? isnt that the point??
The style doesn't work for fighting, it sucks
Negrodamus This is no joke. If you expect a kungfu fighter to fight like what you see Jackie Chan does in the movies or Jet Li, you are too naive or you simply have been watching too much kungfu movies. Be real.you can train in any martial art but when you fight you fight any way you can that gives you the best results in any given situation. --The style is internal and in their training, not necessary explicit or demonstrated explicitly in actual fight.
one thing to remember is that Jackie Chan and others were actually trained as Chinese Opera acrobats. Pretty sure they did actual sparring sometimes, but that for sure wasn’t as screen-ready as their opera skills.
Ok, Wu Tai Chi and White Crane crossed off my kung fu style list.
When I watched this fight the first time, my reaction was "What happened to the beautiful Kung Fu?" I think that we get trained to expect beautifully choreographed fights from all the Action Films that Jackie Chan made.
This is important footage as a testament to how real martial arts fights never look good or clean. As far as I can tell, neither master was trying to showcase the beautifully-looking "styles" that we normally see in training videos; they were demonstrating that after training in one style or another, they had the means to defend themselves against punches and kicks.
What I got out of this is that with the Chinese martial arts, the form is there for strength and sensitivity training, but a fighter doesn't restrict himself to the beautiful-looking movements of the form. He uses the muscle memory and strength built up from training to defend himself during combat.
Also, did anyone pick up on the subtitles? This was a charity event, not an animosity-filled challenge fight. I think we TH-camrs who enjoy watching martial arts can learn some humility from these masters. The fight was stopped because both masters had demonstrated their point; Pak Hok Pai showed the ferocity of White Crane, and Wu Gongyi defended himself pretty well (considering that he's a much much older man!). They were NOT out for blood.
Your comments stand out as from someone who has a deep appreciation and understanding of the martial arts.
Not only was it not clean but so many openings for a good boxer to exploit
I would exploit either of these "masters " with wrestling or boxing very easily.
狮城武生 : You are miss-led by those kung-fu films made by Jackie Chan or Jet Li even Bruce Lee. The kung-fu styles or patterns used in the fighting is entertainment which would not last for a few minutes as in the road (street) fight. On the other hand those fighting patterns are pre-set by the kung-fu instructor or director in the dramatic (or even comical) way. Otherwise how does a film last for 2 hours.
When you train in wrestling or boxing your fighting looks like your training, bjj tai boxing or any effective martial style you train the way you fight. To practice movements you don't intend to use or can't use in a real fight is silly and less than pointless it's counterproductive.
The best thing I've seen today ! Legendary, epic, lmao
sound effects alone, worth the price of admission LOL
The music and dubbed in sounds make this amazing
Funny how in real fighting,form and flash go right out the window. I can't believe they put hitting sound effects like from kung fu movies in the matches.😁
was the fellow with the mustache trying to destroy the other fellow's "jab" arm by swinging at it? was that an actual tactic or was he just flayling about? Also, the only applicable technique I saw from then was the arm drag to a right cross.
This is a joke right? I don't see any Taiji Quan or White Crane, just school boy hitting. They practised Gong Fu to fight like this?
yes... this is real gong fu in fighting
ARTIOS1000
Are you kidding?!?!
no i am not !
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Fuck me!!
Before fighting with Yi Long, the so called world TKD muti-champion said that Chinese kung fu is exercise for elderlies and is as lousy as the Chinese national football team ! He boasted that the TKD kicking is the best kicking in the world. But in the fighting. He behaved like a small boy. When he missed his own kicks , he self-toppled more than 10 times.Those korean girls sitting below the platform even covered their eyes. They felt ashame to see such a korean plus world champion laying on the floor like a crying baby. Dear friend, do you think this world champion is better than the above tai chi masters ? How come no comment saying that : TKD is useless in real fight ?
The one thing I don't like about this fight was how the rules were set up. Judges made it so that kicks, throws, and joint locks weren't allowed, so that really limited the available techniques. For anybody familiar with Taijiquan, you'd realize that it's primarily a grappling art. As for Tibetan White Cran, I'm not that familiar....
did you add the sound effect.??
Pay close attention, I spent many months perfecting this 8:11 technique "Dragon Exits The Cave"
There was Tai Chi in this video, but it wasn't in the main event. Also, the fighters in the main event do not appear to have skill in any traditional martial art. They appear to be amateur kickboxers.
please tell me from which circus or theatre show this is!
Looks so funny how these schoolboys make a quarrel.
that was just the preliminary bout with beginners.. the main event features guys on strings flying around like crouching tiger hidden dragon. too bad tape was cut early theres a woman vs man bout in the co main event practicing doggy style kung fu naked
The boxing techniques (eg swing punch) of Wu Gung-yi are still praised and promoted by some of his present-day followers. They claim that Wu's techniques in this fight embodied a new method of Fa-Jin (發勁) to discharge power in the attack rather than defense mode. Wow wow!
xD
Curious to know your elaborated thoughts as a wu style practitioner (I notice your channel name)
I'm learning wu style right now, but I'm from a modern MMA background. I don't think much of it as a practical martial art
Not only is the fight bad it totally has sound effects added.. loool
Lol this great art of fighting goes up in smoke when shit gets real . all fighting style ends up looking like two girls fighting
We're the punching sound effects really necessary ?
right? as if this wasn't painful enough to watch..
+Roger Limoseth all I can say in favour of this fight is that the audience were smartly dressed lol
It looked really funny because it the past there was no real sparring training, each school just practiced closed doors, and restricted their trainings to the solo & fixed punching sequence... This is why when it cane to full contact fights, neither fighter looked well trained, and it appeared like a street fight between amateurs!!
chin straight up in the air and your hands at your hip... masterful defense
Donde estan las tecnicas
I heard the tai chi fighter had badly damaged arms after the clash. You can see the white crane fighter hitting his arms, a lot.
Fist Fight like Girls - Glad they didn't pull each other's hairs. RIP Martial Arts
Where can I get too learn this stuff ?
No wonder Bruce Lee thought he could kick everyone's ass - because he could!
+Dylan A. Kent haha...
Excelente cagada !
and then out of jealousy they killed the great master Bruce Lee
@@franciscoantoniodelgadodia55 que merda é esse Kung Fu é por isso que para poucos.
I love the added sound effects 🤣
It looks like two untrained dudes just winging fists at each other. These are masters?
+Aaron Harmon they had tooo few combat experience, so they did not use out their sect good skills to do the defence and offence. If they did not have any combat experience, of course, the first combat will make them can not think out how their sect's skills to kill, defence, offence enemies.
Pretty much. Though, the guy with the mustache threw a couple decent straight punches.
Are you kidding me?
They're probably relatives of the local Communist Party Chairman
Do you have a source for all that?
Seriously????? look like two kids whacking each other randomly with sound effect added to their punches!!
I have no horse in this race, but it seems to me that even with these two contestants, we would all be singing different tunes about the video if and only if both contestants fought with razor sharp katars (keep the fighting style, just add the weapon). Having a katar shoved repeatedly into your head brings a whole new meaning to "martial arts."
not sure about masters of tai chi and white crane.. but they were masters of the windmill
If they are masters fighting like that... I wonder how did the founders masters of many kungfu styles fought ...
If I, a Chinese guy, had seen this in my teens, I should have awakened much earlier and need not wait to get disillusioned until 23 when I first went to a beginner Muay Thai class.
But all those myths, legends, excuses, etc.(e.g. recent exaggerations about Yip Man and Wing Chun) still exist and hype people up (even some foreigners).
Few Chinese dare to answer this question: Why did Bruce Lee have to originate Jeet Kune Do?
wtf is this?? at the end of the day all styles are thrown out the window, when the fonk go down they resort to ghetto boxing lol
殺招 "太極穿雲手" @4:44，是太極九大發勁方法的最後絕招：掤、履、擠、按、採、列、肘、靠... 揈 (粤音 fing6)。揈勁，將前八勁混合為一整體，蓄勁而發，以「點」發勁，如雷似電，以進攻為主，中者必倒，又生強力拳風，不用後加音響效果，利害！
hahahahaha i like the sound effects.
It's unbelievable how kung-fu "styles" go belly up as soon as people start to fight, IF they are not also trained to fight real people..you cannot just train against shadows, despite that being necessary. You have to become and embody the principles of that style, and contemporarily study to apply them to a context
You don't reinact a form or kata in a fight dummy. They're for conditioning and building strength and speed.
Wait ... this is Kung Fu botch slap technic! I almost didn't recognize it lol!
If I was in China at that time I would be a god
The problem was the rules, Taijiquan relies on close quarters work and sticking using sweeps locks, throws , punches and low kicks. Nice to see this historic fight though, thanks for uploading
the actual problem is the lack of fighting skills.
The more tense you are, the less you can feel and change, and you will look foolish in combat.
I thought after reading the comments that I would be prepared for what the fight would actually look like.
I was wrong.
Kinda makes me wonder what the Bruce Lee/Wong Jack Man fight really looked like.
Very likely... a lot like this.
@@sensam6155 Indeed. Exactly that fight inspired Bruce to completely rework his fighting style because it wasn't effective.
When you expect to see a onepunch-man or dbz fight and when you just see a sponge bob fight ...
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i feel this is south part kung fu, not north part. North part use the leg and feet kick more. And south part use hands more. They just had tooooo few actual combat experience. if they join more actual combat, they will fight very well.
South Park kung fu.
What I expected is crazy Kung Fu skills like flying kicks in the air, Taichi bullshit reflection and no touch move.
Interesting clip made 60 years ago. Naturally that's how people fights in a ring. Need great discipline and mental control to use their "Kung Fu" defending themselves which was lacking with these 2 fighters. Calm mind is the way to improve fighting skills. Be like water, my friends.
When I was 15 or so, I'd been training in martial arts for about 2 years and up to my neck in kungfu film/shows, i saw this and thought it was a joke and realized it was not. That was the beginning a long journey of self legitimization
I too trained in Slap Fu Pai as a kid. I sent a lot of school kids home with black eyes.
It's very clear that this guy's have absolutely no control, they where probably masters of slow forms, like the tai chi practiced by old people in the parks. Their punching is just swinging arms all over and the kicks it's just like a 3 years old kid kicking a soccer ⚽ ball.
Seems to be a first fight for both men. No "styles" but 3rd grade wing it style.
Hammerfists a plenty! Even a wing chun fighter might have done alright here. It is painfully clear just how much more advanced western boxing is with hand techniques, although kung-fu/taiji is amazing for a whole load of other reasons.
Western boxing looked the same at its origins. Not because it was less effective, but because the fight conditions were different. People fought without gloves
5.24 when he booted him up the arse had me howling! Windmilling with your eyes shut and head up like a chicken is not a pretty sight. How were the crowd not roaring with laughter?
I've seen game 6 year olds in West Ham Boxing Club scrap like demons - neither giving an inch. These clowns learned in front of the media and a huge crowd that they can't fight and all of their training has been for nothing.
I know guys from various branches of Kung Fu who can scrap and they must be devastated at this footage!
After seeing this I'm not surprised the Chinese team who went to Bangkok in the 1930's all got put in hospital by Muay Thai fighters!
You are behind time - 1930s? Please come back to the present. 2014.
Back to 2014? Why not Francis...
People these days have worked out (through trial and error) that you have to train in a Muay Thai/Full Contact style for standing and an MMA/Wrestling/BJJ style if you want to be able to fight for real, either standing or on the ground.
Muay Thai and the "mixed matches" in Holland in the 1970's were way ahead of the curve. The grappler would win 8 out of 10 of those fights with a simple takedown of the striker, ending quickly with a choke or joint lock - all well before BJJ made it's debut onto the World stage.
Now MMA is a constantly evolving, hybrid performance art that's enjoyed by millions worldwide, with a well established set of rules in place to make it as safe as possible for the participants.
Also it's still news when a half decent Muay Thai fighter gets beaten and it's likely as not, by a style that's delivery system is virtually a carbon copy of Muay Thai.
Nowadays lots of people see MMA working well and have forgotten all that went before. Imaginary situations dealt with with one or two strikes etc. Joe Rogan has said all this way better than I can.
I'm lucky that I started (by chance) Muay Thai training back in the 1980's. It's been a reliable reference point for me as to what works in a fight and what doesn't. The training the guys in this video did for all those years reaped little reward when it came to the crunch - from what I can see.
I'm not poking anyone in the eye with my comments btw - it's just the way it is.
Those kung-fu fighters were amateur kung-fu practitoners with part-time practice at night after work (mostly in Thai-land). But their opponents were professional ring-fighters( Is it fair competition ?) Some of the kung-fu fighters even first time fought with gloves in their lives. This happened 80 years ago. By that time China was still not yet open to the world, good fighters were all in China mean-land. It is meaningless to boost the old grand-grand fathers` (out of date) story. Let`s come back to 2000 yr. and focus on the performances of Yi Long, Fang-Bian, Liu Hai-Long, Zhang Kai-Yin,......Philo68, please wake up from your old dreams and look at the new information ! 不要再懐旧了！！！
Philo68 Let us go back to 1930 : by the time, none of the Chinese table-tennis player entered the Quarter-final in table-tennis world cup. But around 2000 China swept all the champions in man-single and double , woman-single and double in table-tennis world cup ! Another example : in 1930 America was the richest nation in the world, but around 2000, it bears a heavy debt almost a few hundred billion dollars, in average every American has to share a loan about 30 thousand dollars . It seems it needs to clear this heavy debt by 2 generations at least. If your time-machine could go back to Tang dynasty of China (1500 years ago). King of Siam had paid a visit to China every year to honor the emperor of Tang Dynasty !
"I know guys from various branches of Kung Fu who can scrap and they must be devastated at this footage!"
A quote from my original post on this clown show... Please guys ease up on the hate. It's not my fault that this footage is so embarrassing. I was not born when this went down and I didn't miss much.
My quote above should show that it is a mixture of the man and the method. I know guys who don't train at all but are just born hard as nails - they'd go through these chaps like shit through a goose! I have not ( nor ever would say) that nobody from Kung Fu or China can scrap. I do still maintain that Muay Thai or similar performance based martial arts are way more effective than these two clowns going at it.
Yi Long and all the other (non Thai) fighters are great but it's still big news when he beats any Muay Thai fighters and it's with similar training methods and a similar delivery system. The shit these guys are trying does not work. Open your eyes!
I don't need a time machine gentleman, I have this video - this is old footage hence my 1930's quote about the Kung Fu vs Muay Thai meeting. I thought it would serve to illustrate how badly the "internal arts" performed against a superior system of fighting that served them so royally.
Things have changed for the better in this day and age and I applaud that progress. Toshio Fujiwara is one of my favorite fighters ever. Do I dislike him because he's not Thai? No, because I'm not that childish. I guarantee that Fujiwara and all the guys who went/go against Muay thai and win, train in a style similar to them. I also guarantee that (apart from a freak accident) any of the training the guys in this footage did would not be effective in a real situation or ring fight.
Hohn Khew Wong
"Those kung-fu fighters were amateur kung-fu practisoners with part-time practice at night after work (mostly in Thai-land). But their opponents were professional ring-fighters( Is it fair competition ?) Some of the kung-fu fighters even first time fought with gloves in their lives"
Boo Hoo! I feel so sorry for them. If you step into the square jungle you know it's about to go down. If you live in Thailand you may have an inkling of what you're up against don't you think?
The two guys here had no gloves and look how lethal they were! Simply chilling technique... I'm not going to argue about where all the real fighters in China, Russia, England or anywhere else were back in the day (which is when this footage is from). I'm just going to let this footage speak for itself. It's far more powerful than any sniggering or comments I am capable of posting. What's next? A public challenge and more (hopefully not so appalling) footage for this website?
What Kung Fu? No Tai Chi here or Crane style....
The time given was too short, the organisation looked for donation for charity only !
the first fight between the guy with the robe and the guy with the tie involved two of the most revered grand masters. The person with the shirt and tie is Lau Fat man, grand master of eagle claw father of Lily lau currently one of the grand master of Ying jaw pai. I will let the viewers judge themselves
@UCzGx1opyqo0PF2CO-EmluJA tung ying chie, Yang Tai chi master
this is fight?
It's an absolute insult to those who really trained in martial arts. These guys look like two uncoordinated kids fighting in a elementary school in their first ever fight where neither one knew how to throw a punch or kick. I know White Crane and Tai Chi. Trained in both when I was young and realized very early on how useless they were for real self defense. And this video just confirmed my suspicion.
"In memory of a once fluid man, crammed and distorted by classical mess!"~ Bruce Lee
These two "masters" would have been beaten at the first pub. Cinematography works wonders!
I learn something new every time I watch this.
That is why physical fitness is important. If you are tired you cannot do any techniques.
黄汉桥评：Who does not know all mothers are women ? said by Hong Kong plus Hollywood actor 周 润 发：“边个晤知亚妈 是女人。?”
Hohn Khew Wong
It is painfully obvious but i see too many fat and out of shape masters who look like Steven Seagal in my life... It is a shame.
Bruce Lee had to originate JKD because he only learned the basics of Wing Chun. The problem with the myths is that there are nearly no such people left nowadays. Many "myths" are true but the secrets are lost.
I'm a wc instructor, i can say these aren't even close to masters, closer to an inebrieated brawl
5:15, "Hey, Bro, this is BS, you tried to punch me in the nose for real! WTF! Dim Mak only."
Everybody got a plan, until they got punched in the face. This is the universal truth
HAHAHA I can not stop laughing, this sounds effect are soo Fuunny
Stick and move! Stick and move! LOL!!!
What a sad looking "fight". It looks like all their martial arts training went out the window. No blocking or yielding. But even their punching looks weird for both of them.
people dislike this video and say: 'well my wing chun/wushu/kung fu is not like that'... actually it is... get over it and join jj/kick boxing
Don`t say this or that, go and watch : " Fang Bang vs Simon Marcus, 2015 " !!!
how could this be a major event in the Kung Fu world?
This was a minor event in a charity show in a small place : Hong Kong (1954) not as you said kung-fu " world " . If you want to watch the latest kung-fu fight on the international platform, please go to : " Fang Bian vs Simon Marcus, 2015 "
thanks!
funkyboodah lol... who told you that is "Major event" the vid description ?
dude if your mission is to go around and check all of the youtubers which did not understand the content of the vid which they are uploading, or if you are on some mission to correct everybody who wrote wrong explanations, provided with wrong information's (consciously or not) or to tell everybody who accidentally made wrong assumptions about their uploaded content it would be like 85% of all youtube clips up there about ANY subject...
good luck withthat...
this was kind of important because of certain political reasons (and rather long story why) but has nothing to do with being "major event" in eyes of any fighting arts in 20ct China or Japan by that matter ..
Leonard Orr it could cal it a "major event" because it was public: there was clearly a large crowd who dressed up to see it, tickets were sold, and it was televised - this suggests there was some story leading to the event and there was great anticipation about the fight itself. I wonder if people were dissapointed that these guys looked more like bums fighting...
funkyboodah man this is just a fight between two guys that dont even know box
Those two old guys were just having a ball with each other.
Ipman was scheduled to fight in this tournament but lost out to these two in the semifinals.
I mean, they are tuff, they are throwing down 😂🎉
Когда батя с дедом снова напились и дерутся
I am so happy I do not fall under either one of their lineage!
o.0 ... I'm certain my 13 year old nephew can mess both of them up... Yeah, definitely.
they put master in front of their names???
this explains why Bruce Lee is trying to make a change in chinese martial arts to save the dying martial arts of chinese culture, by giving life back to the art to be dynamic and flowing, you can clearly see masters performing poorly in a simple match.
This video does no justice to Taijiquan. These men were not even using it. And I know, because I have used it in fights and it looked nothing like this. For example, someone in a bar once came at me with an over-head hammer fist. I stepped back one step, caught their wrist with my outer wrist, used a rollback-press, and put them on their ass with one spiraled movement. They hit the ground so hard on their ass that they actually thought I had thrown them and told everyone that's what I had done.
Taiji is like magic once you're using it correctly. This? I don't know what this is.
You hear all this bullshit about Push Hands,Tai Chi, Kung Fu, Chi and then you get these guys to fight and they Box one another. So much for the style of Wu Flung Shit from One Hung Lo brother of Cream of Sum Yun Guy
ToniMattTony Actual fighting is never going to look stylised like practice does, that's common sense ;p
Rabid Wombat if your practiced is so stylized as to be this divergent from what actual fighting looks like, you are practicing wrong.
MasterZhang My practice is so stylized as to be this divergent from what actual fighting looks like because I do it for fitness rather than ever expecting to fight with it - as with a majority~
Gonna let you in on a secret - doing it fight fighting also accomplishes the "fitness" goal. There's no problem with not doing it for fighting, just don't have the delusion that it will somehow help with fighting any more than regular tae bo sessions.
You're attempt to be patronising with the revelation of the Secret doesn't convey the authority you seem to think it does.
I think you would probably see better technique outside a Swindon nightclub at 2am.
Till maybe 30-40 years ago, martial arts were something conceptually different... One was what they tought in clubs, one was the fight. One thing did not even meet the other. At that time, in western world, just boxe, savate and little other were "real" figthing methods, other like all Kung Fu stiles were just...choreography, healty art, tradition. So, even masters like those in the video, were useless in real fighting... Just some styles promoted barehands real fight, like taekwondo, kyokushin karate and other... Take a look to some picture or videos of Grand Master Hee Hil Choo (taekwondo) he was used to win barehands fights by KO, 30-40 years ago!
Lol,An Actual Kung Fu master,unlike these imposters,can win any "western boxer or some shit like that".Trust me
Collus Gouki Khan Don`t use the present (2015) concept to judge the old event 60 years (1954) ago. So many Chinese kung-fu fighters are in the ring nowadays. Why don`t you pass comments on their performance. Yi Long defeated so many world class, even multi-world class, kick boxers ,TKD and Muay Thai champions. Don`t tell me that you did not see the recent fight : Fang Bian KO-ed the world ranked NO. 1, Top Muay Thai champion in Jan, 2015 unless you have day-blindness or night-blindness. You blamed an old tai-chi school master not even champion of a small place (Hong Kong) but not those world champions in big countries like America, New Zealand, Canada and Germany defeated by Chinese title-less small flies in the present international platforms. That shows you are a racial extremist with biased discrimination !!!
Hohn Khew Wong
Im not a racist if I Know that all of those pussied in the cages that just roll around and use more steroids than they eat think they can fight,an expirienced kung fu fighter in old days did not care is he going to win some kind of tournament,he kept with living with normal life even though he knew how to fight and even though he could beat the shit out of every fake fighters nowadays,he minded his own business and kept training to get self perfection,the fighting part was just a big plus.They weren't shallow to beat each other for money,they knew what honor was.
30 or 40 years are too long and too old. for example an PC, only 3 years would be out of date ! Why don`t you code some of the present or recent events to illustrate your view. By the way, Grand master Hee Hil choo (TKD) had no chance to meet Yi Long, otherwise, he would be another Young Jin-Meng (the korean national and world TKD champion !) There is a proverb in Chinese : “山中无虎豹，猴子也称王”，meaning : if no tiger and leopard in the mountain, money would be a king in the jungle !!!
Collus Gouki Khan Don`t talk too much about the ancient time.......what...what events(the grand,...grandfather`s stories). All are gone cases now and mostly are your imagination and assumption !!! Give more recent examples which we could see now on the net to verify your points!
Their mastery cancels each other out, that's why it looks amateurish to the untrained eye.
really can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you believe that
On voit bien que c'est de la boxe chinoise, du kung-fu, l'un utilise les coups en marteau dans 8 directions, c'est un vieux style de kung-fu. Les frappes sont souvent circulaires et fouéttées. Mais on dirait 2 débutants, après quelques cours... les frappes sont mal exécutées, il n'y a pas de blocages, les déplacements sont bordéliques...
They should not have agreed to a boxing match. Tai chi chuan emphasizes wrestling and thats what they should have agreed to. Push-hands competition would have been a much better option as well.
I say this knowing full well that one of the practitioner's here is a white crane stylist, not a practitioner of tai chi chuan. White crane is better suited for boxing but there isnt much "boxing" here. More of a sloppy slapfest.
Anyone know why they agreed to this at all?
I Will come to China to enroll on those two Masters School's.
This is true Kung fu!??? Two masters from different styles, but yet are mirror imagine each other... 🤔🤣
where did the style go after years of practice.just throwing shit punches lol.