@@neilsworkshopisaac8177, his name was T.Y. Phang. He took Pakua (and probably Hsing I) from Sun si Kin (sp) and Yang Tai Chi from Dong Yingji. Thanks for asking.
It's great to see the classical Yang by a direct disciple of Yang Chengfu! Videos like this great master inform my own practice of Yang, even where I come from a different lineage. Thanks for posting!
totally useless nothing but an exersise for old people , as master Wang Xiang Zhai told the Yang brothers 80 years ago please dont try to use this art for self defense best you turn and run as it has lost the essence long ago
@@jamesanagnos6123 like any martial art, it's effectiveness for fighting depends on the person first, especially their fighting spirit, strength, speed and power, and then the system of training which can develop and hone some of those attributes further. In addition, each art will have its applications based on a particular approach and methodology. One of the good things about Taijiquan is that it's not only a fighting system, and as a 63 year old I am more interested in its health benefits than any martial skills it may or may not provide. Over my life I've had many street fights, at a time when I was practising Judo as a teenager, Kung Fu as a young adult and later Taiji. What I have noticed is that the martial arts training provides certain principles, like balance, knowledge of levers and positioning, as well as some specific techniques like throws, locks, strikes and deflection techniques. In the heat of a fight, it's the instinct that takes over. However, the outcome of any fight scenario is rarely predictable, so avoiding fighting is as much a self-defense as being prepared to defend oneself when necessary. Taiji is something that has helped me stay focused and calm in threatening and potentially aggressive situations, which has enabled me to avoid unnecessary conflict and deescalate the situation. Often, perception is heightened to detect dangerous situations ahead of time, so as not to be there when shit happens. What one style says about another, is purely politics, and has more to do with business objectives than any martial arts critique. What you say about some of the essence being lost, this could apply to any martial art. However, that's just one way of looking at it. For the practitioner, all we can do is choose what suits us for our needs and work at it, investigate and delve into as much as possible - not that we become better fighters, rather that we may become better people.
@@markdonovan1540 what i said has nothing to do with business objectives, do you know who Wang xiang zhai was? he traveled the whole country of china for 40 years fighting every so called master he could find in his path, this is what he said , after 40 years in the whole country of china i found only 2 real masters , lol and his warning was to the Yang brothers that he called his friends, he called taichi pathetic and said i palm to the left and a kick to the right this art has lost everything and please dont try to use it for self defence , now as far as your health goes i did say its an exercise for old people so at your age i understand why you feel the way you do, i also have studied hard and internal styles for over 40 years but the internal style i studied has never lost effectiveness in combat, liu he ba fa is the style that defeted wang xiang zhai 10 out of 10 fights and he called Yi Wu Huai one of the only two real masters in china , i also studied yang style tai chi from TT Liang a student of Yang Chen Fu and like all tai chi it offered nothing for combat, so please save it for some one that does not know whats up lol have a nice day
@@jamesanagnos6123 I'm sorry, I don't know who Wang Xiang Zhai was. I could look it up on Internet I suppose. Not sure if that would be 100% reliable though. The history of martial arts, as I'm sure you know, is full of claim and counter-claim. There are many stories and legends that exist. How true any of them are we may never really know for sure. If you want to believe one or the other, that of course is your prerogative. I'm sure there are several capable practitioners of Yang, Wu, Chen, Sun and any others. You can also extend that to other internal arts and other martial arts in general. I don't see what purpose it serves to single out one style, Yang, and imply that it's not good for fighting. It may not be the best for fighting, but how do you define and measure the best anyway? If you read comments on TH-cam, you'll see that MMA stylists believe only their style works for real. Do you think they are right? Do you not see that you're saying the same kind of thing? Does it even matter?
Thank you so much. Superb. Exactly as I learned Cheng Man Chin's long form in London 1988, except for after Needle at Sea Bottom @ 11.44 to 12.25 there are additional moves. Perfect music too.
George what is old school about the way Dong Shifu does fairlady plays the shuttles?Most yang taiji young or old schools do it the same except for what my shifu taught me.I have never seen any variation inthe simple form of Yunuchuansuo!
@@yogasamrat in the yang sau Chung lineage we were not taught to use t-step in the long form at all. To see t-step in fair girl weaving makes good sense, and something I had incorporated in this same movement only after Bagua Zhang training.
@@yogasamrat take a careful look at the placement of the feet. If not trained in use of t-step from other kung hi styles i might not have caught this soluble variation.☺
I doubt he'd have been as smiley, but I wish they'd got the cameras going when Yang Shaohou was alive, or even as far back as Yang Jianhou. I've seen videos from China from before 1917.
Many thanks for this extremely beautiful and precious piece of history. Could you please let me know what the music used here is? I love it: deceptively simple and serene, just like the master's moves.
The music is a free TH-cam add on used to remove the white noise that was the sound on the original video; Almost in F - Tranquility. It seemed to fit.
Fascinating history. Thank you. As a student of Yang style for some years the principle of the upright body does not appear here. I can only wonder why.
You can find a set of still photos of Yang Cheng Fu performing his form here: www.wooddragon.org.uk/yang_style_long_form.html - considerable evidence of the use of an inclined back. You may also find www.wooddragon.org.uk/yang_style_tai_chi.html of interest.
I am practicing Yang Taiji since I was 20, I am now 40😊 My understanding is that "upright body" should be considered as a twisted, dynamic force upwards and downwards, like a spiral on the spine. Taiji teaches postures but it is above all movement both internal and external
@@fmalinv8899 Yes, there are two distinct postures for this form; upright (Chen Man-Ching, also a student of Yang Cheng-Fu) and leaning, as we have here. I suspect it has to do with the particular style of Chi-Kung being used. My highest level teacher (Yao Pei-Jing) taught upright posture for the Hao style, and leaning posture for the Wu style. In my experience, the Hao style gathers Chi, and the Wu style transports Chi. Over the years I have also learned Yang, Chen, and Fu Tai-Chi, as well as Pa-Kua, Hsing-I, Praying Mantis, and Aikido. Now in my 70's, I've been at this since I was 13.
I learned from a student of Dong Yingjie and I'm grateful to have done so. This is one of the only sights with no negitives.
Hi, was this student Master Wang ZHI Xiang ? Neil
@@neilsworkshopisaac8177, his name was T.Y. Phang. He took Pakua (and probably Hsing I) from Sun si Kin (sp) and Yang Tai Chi from Dong Yingji. Thanks for asking.
It's great to see the classical Yang by a direct disciple of Yang Chengfu! Videos like this great master inform my own practice of Yang, even where I come from a different lineage. Thanks for posting!
Kids today can say what they like about Taijiquan but the truth is this man had a fight record that would be the envy of any MMA boxer today.
None of them could stand up to him.
And his teacher had quite a reputation too, back in the days when anyone who disagreed could challenge him!
Sublime classic Yang style performed with such precision and feeling. A great example of "steel wrapped in cotton".
totally useless nothing but an exersise for old people , as master Wang Xiang Zhai told the Yang brothers 80 years ago please dont try to use this art for self defense best you turn and run as it has lost the essence long ago
@@jamesanagnos6123 like any martial art, it's effectiveness for fighting depends on the person first, especially their fighting spirit, strength, speed and power, and then the system of training which can develop and hone some of those attributes further. In addition, each art will have its applications based on a particular approach and methodology. One of the good things about Taijiquan is that it's not only a fighting system, and as a 63 year old I am more interested in its health benefits than any martial skills it may or may not provide.
Over my life I've had many street fights, at a time when I was practising Judo as a teenager, Kung Fu as a young adult and later Taiji. What I have noticed is that the martial arts training provides certain principles, like balance, knowledge of levers and positioning, as well as some specific techniques like throws, locks, strikes and deflection techniques. In the heat of a fight, it's the instinct that takes over.
However, the outcome of any fight scenario is rarely predictable, so avoiding fighting is as much a self-defense as being prepared to defend oneself when necessary. Taiji is something that has helped me stay focused and calm in threatening and potentially aggressive situations, which has enabled me to avoid unnecessary conflict and deescalate the situation. Often, perception is heightened to detect dangerous situations ahead of time, so as not to be there when shit happens.
What one style says about another, is purely politics, and has more to do with business objectives than any martial arts critique. What you say about some of the essence being lost, this could apply to any martial art. However, that's just one way of looking at it. For the practitioner, all we can do is choose what suits us for our needs and work at it, investigate and delve into as much as possible - not that we become better fighters, rather that we may become better people.
@@markdonovan1540 what i said has nothing to do with business objectives, do you know who Wang xiang zhai was? he traveled the whole country of china for 40 years fighting every so called master he could find in his path, this is what he said , after 40 years in the whole country of china i found only 2 real masters , lol and his warning was to the Yang brothers that he called his friends, he called taichi pathetic and said i palm to the left and a kick to the right this art has lost everything and please dont try to use it for self defence , now as far as your health goes i did say its an exercise for old people so at your age i understand why you feel the way you do, i also have studied hard and internal styles for over 40 years but the internal style i studied has never lost effectiveness in combat, liu he ba fa is the style that defeted wang xiang zhai 10 out of 10 fights and he called Yi Wu Huai one of the only two real masters in china , i also studied yang style tai chi from TT Liang a student of Yang Chen Fu and like all tai chi it offered nothing for combat, so please save it for some one that does not know whats up lol have a nice day
@@markdonovan1540 i dont want to ruin your day so keep practicing your tai chi lol
@@jamesanagnos6123 I'm sorry, I don't know who Wang Xiang Zhai was. I could look it up on Internet I suppose. Not sure if that would be 100% reliable though. The history of martial arts, as I'm sure you know, is full of claim and counter-claim. There are many stories and legends that exist. How true any of them are we may never really know for sure. If you want to believe one or the other, that of course is your prerogative.
I'm sure there are several capable practitioners of Yang, Wu, Chen, Sun and any others. You can also extend that to other internal arts and other martial arts in general. I don't see what purpose it serves to single out one style, Yang, and imply that it's not good for fighting. It may not be the best for fighting, but how do you define and measure the best anyway? If you read comments on TH-cam, you'll see that MMA stylists believe only their style works for real. Do you think they are right? Do you not see that you're saying the same kind of thing? Does it even matter?
Thank you so much. Superb. Exactly as I learned Cheng Man Chin's long form in London 1988, except for after Needle at Sea Bottom @ 11.44 to 12.25 there are additional moves. Perfect music too.
Flawless alignment.
Fair girl weaves shuttles T-step, very nice and old school.
Excellent post , thank you
George what is old school about the way Dong Shifu does fairlady plays the shuttles?Most yang taiji young or old schools do it the same except for what my shifu taught me.I have never seen any variation inthe simple form of Yunuchuansuo!
@@yogasamrat in the yang sau Chung lineage we were not taught to use t-step in the long form at all. To see t-step in fair girl weaving makes good sense, and something I had incorporated in this same movement only after Bagua Zhang training.
@@yogasamrat take a careful look at the placement of the feet.
If not trained in use of t-step from other kung hi styles i might not have caught this soluble variation.☺
I practice his taïjiquan since 1990 when i met a student of his son.
Magnifique très touchant 🙏🏼
Thanks a lot from the Deep of Heart. This video Is so powerfull! ❤
BEAUTIFUL
I doubt he'd have been as smiley, but I wish they'd got the cameras going when Yang Shaohou was alive, or even as far back as Yang Jianhou. I've seen videos from China from before 1917.
Many thanks for this extremely beautiful and precious piece of history. Could you please let me know what the music used here is? I love it: deceptively simple and serene, just like the master's moves.
The music is a free TH-cam add on used to remove the white noise that was the sound on the original video; Almost in F - Tranquility. It seemed to fit.
Thanks so much!!! Its awsome
Fascinating history. Thank you. As a student of Yang style for some years the principle of the upright body does not appear here. I can only wonder why.
You can find a set of still photos of Yang Cheng Fu performing his form here: www.wooddragon.org.uk/yang_style_long_form.html - considerable evidence of the use of an inclined back. You may also find www.wooddragon.org.uk/yang_style_tai_chi.html of interest.
You are absolutely right. You must very good in this art.
I am practicing Yang Taiji since I was 20, I am now 40😊
My understanding is that "upright body" should be considered as a twisted, dynamic force upwards and downwards, like a spiral on the spine.
Taiji teaches postures but it is above all movement both internal and external
@@fmalinv8899 Yes, there are two distinct postures for this form; upright (Chen Man-Ching, also a student of Yang Cheng-Fu) and leaning, as we have here. I suspect it has to do with the particular style of Chi-Kung being used. My highest level teacher (Yao Pei-Jing) taught upright posture for the Hao style, and leaning posture for the Wu style.
In my experience, the Hao style gathers Chi, and the Wu style transports Chi. Over the years I have also learned Yang, Chen, and Fu Tai-Chi, as well as Pa-Kua, Hsing-I, Praying Mantis, and Aikido. Now in my 70's, I've been at this since I was 13.
Be aware og the straight ind the curved body.
❤ Thank you
Very good !
The real thing!
👍
10:28 Snake creeps down
This is from what year? Cheers