When giving the date for Lisa Robin Kelly's death, I mispoke and said it was January 3, 2014. It was actually August 15, 2013. The January date was when her cause of death was announced.
I have just been watching this Jose.I was around(alive)in the 1970's(I was a preteen child in elementary school) so I am about a decade or more older than you and I watched That '70's Show in the late 1990's and most of the 2000's.
@@FrancisR420 Tommy mentioned , (I think in getting Doug with High) they it was a setup. they had a new hire, and multiple times , said employee tried sending either bongs or Seeds, to a state that its no Legal in. and multiple times, he was caught and told DONT DO THAT. until - he finally did. and turned out it was a undercover & inturn "busted or raided" Tommy's home and arrested him.
I feel like I have no right to be this sad over it. And also Tanya Roberts aka Midge. But its just a real bummer. I guess its a byproduct of being the blondes on the show.
Also Jackie was with Hyde when her dad went to prison and she had to fend for herself. The Foreman’s discovered her sleeping in the basement with Hyde. Then she went to live with Donna.
the scene where eric and kitty drive home when he shadows her as a nurse has always stayed with me. she always comes across as so bubbly, but carries so much pain, and Eric sees her beyond their house. it's impactful
I worked in a retirement home as a 16 year old drop out, both on the medical side as a “house keeper” and on the side where the residents were more able bodied but still needed help. When I found out one of the the residents on the medical side passed away, that I grew a bond with, I cried in front of the whole nursing staff asking how he died and if it was painless. They were all used to it but still understood my first time pain. Nurses and doctors are so strong and caring. Even if they have to mask the pain they feel from the inevitable losses they will face. The man I lost rarely got visits from family, lost his wife during retirement, and persisted to PAY me for doing my job (which is not something we are supposed to accept so he kept offering me 5 bucks for my cleaning services but all I could do was let him know i appreciated it but couldn’t take it, and one day he was gone) So that scene with Kitty just jamming out to cope, resonated with me
Topher was really the only one who stayed out of trouble. He got SO much flack in Hollywood because he was never seen out partying with his cast mates and actually got called like a male diva, that he was trying to separate himself from them because he was somehow "above them" well look who's laughing now...?!?
Well, it’s easy to say that NOW, but in reality, he was a diva, and was isolated and Hollywood as well us viewers hated on him for it because we liked the others in the core group so much. Solid tactic for sheeple to pretend they didn’t support and love perverts. We all knew Mila was underage, and the show never bothered ANYONE. Now people say “watching it now it’s pretty uncomfortable”. What BS! No mention of the innuendos of the middle aged woman in the show liking Fez or Kelso sexually, an underaged character. So funny what people deem important and even funnier how it changes more often than we do presidents. 😂
@@moosenmanexactly and what would you rather be isolated be a homebody or be a guy who dates underage girls or a rapist or someone who supported a rapist or even apart of a cult
The "18 and 49" demographic was spot on. I remember watching this with my parents as a teen and they loved it just as much as i did and would constantly laugh and make remarks about "having that hair style" or "i had that exact shirt" or going to see a band that was popular then. I saw my own teen years reflected on screen while my parents relived theirs.
I love hearing stories like this where there were teenagers watching this with their parents and both loving it.I wasn't as lucky with this but uh... Different ethnic demographics and my dad was more into crime investigation shows lol
The huge downturn in quality after season 4-5 is because the show creators, Bonnie and Terry Turner, retired and left the series. It's an unfortunately common trend that when the creators of a show leave, the writers left behind just don't really understand or care about the characters and tone. -Eric was the good-hearted center of reason in the madness, he became a slimy loser. -Kelso was like a big excited dog who makes a mess but is obliviously happy chasing the stick, and became an obnoxious jerk. -Jackie was a naive romantic who was absorbed in her dreams, and became a mean narcissist. -Fez was an interesting perspective on the silly aspects of America, and became a pervert. -Hyde was a true punk, an anarchist and politically savvy rebel who cared for his friends, he became a piece of drywall. -Donna was the only one who was never really ruined. Lazy writers reaching for cheap and easy jokes at the expense of the characters has been the death of so many great sitcoms.
In the pilot he jumped to talk to Erics sister and slammed into the table the entire cast (besides kitty who froze) was laughing although it wasn't scripted
It doesn't really get enough love now, but Kutcher's performance on this show was just fantastic. He was by far the best comedic actor on the show, and was so good with physical comedy. If you ever watch bloopers, you'll also see just how good he is at staying in character and keeping a scene together while improvising. I think it almost worked against him since he was then typecast as a Kelso-esque character for so long.
I agree totally. He was fantastic in this role. Almost TOO fantastic, like you said being typecast as that character- just because he was so damn good at it.
I love the line where he talks about trying to put out a fire where he says something like "I heard you fight fire with fire so I lit some matches, but it just made the fire bigger!"
Hahaha!!! Omg that scene is hilarious 😂 Thank you SO MUCH for reminding me of that, I needed a good laugh 😃 You're referring to when Kelso accidentally burns down the police academy auditorium!! Kelso: "I accidentally shot off a flare and it went right under the bleachers.... so then I shot off another flare at the first flare because you know what they say, you gotta "fight fire with fire...So, then I shot another flare into the air to warn people about the fire and that one just went right on the roof, so I just got the hell out of there." 😆 🤣 😂
Re Jackie: In a bit of a flip of her character she demonstrates a significant ability as a car-mechanic, which is part of why Red likes her better than the rest of the gang
It always broke my heart they never followed up on that. I feel like someone had the idea "what if Jackie and Red bonded and he became a surrogate father figure to her" and they never followed up on it.
@@ArmandoSanchezOG love that Red was the most surrogate father to Jackie and Hyde. Donna had Bob, Kelso i think still had his dad, and he shared good moments with Fez but him being a foreigner i think didn’t allow him to get as close to him as he was to Jackie and Hyde later on. regardless, Red and Kitty were the perfect couple to be either both surrogate parents or secondary parents to the cast
Just like how in King of the Hill Luanne kept being shown to be a mechanic in early seasons to give her depth and then it was just dropped with no explanation
tbh i think the dated, restrained relationship between Eric and Red is a good thing. That's how things were for a lot of people back then, and it informed how Gen X parents treat their children; you can see where they found inspiration and where they wanted to improve
I kinda laughed when he mentioned that he wished that the relationship between Eric and Red wasn't stereotypical. This aired on the late 90s/early 2000s and too place in the 70s. This sort of relationship was normal and on point for its time.
@@JurgaBurgaFlintines You literally said "I laughed when he said he wished Eric and Red's relationship wasn't stereotypical, because that was the stereotype for father/son relationships in the 90's and early 00's!"
That scene where Kitty and Red are basically saving Hyde is at the same time funny as hell and also so touching. It’s by far one of my favorite scenes in this show.
For real, when he's left in Hydes home, alone, looks at the ceiling & you hear him exclaim covered by one loud *BEEP* censor, was perfect to make me laugh back then.
My mom (Melina Root) was the costume designer for all three shows and we're longtime friends of the Turners. Nice to see this show had such an impact on people
Wow, your mom did an excellent job! I can't speak for the other shows as I haven't really seen them, but the costume design on 70s was always really well done. A less talented costume designer could have ruined the show by making the costumes too gamey and over-the-top, like 'hippy' costumes you see at Walmart every October.
As a 22 y/o theatrical costume designer (who grew up with this show), your mom is a total inspiration, she did AMAZING work! I’m obsessed with Jackie’s wardrobe to this day!!!
45:49 him asking her how she deals with nursing and hospital work, and her just sitting with the radio blasting very loud and singing. I never realized it until now, but after I became a nurse and dealing with some bad nights, either quiet or the hardest, loudest, shit one could listen to….they nailed that one pretty subtly.
I loved Hyde's character... It's a bummer to see Danny Masterson turned out to be an abuser/SA assaulter currently on trial. Not to mention his ties to scientology 🙄 Laura Prepon (Donna) is (was?) also a scientologist. She's allegedly left "the church" but she was still in for a long time, either ignorant or willfully ignoring the many many atrocities that have come out around scientology in the last couple of decades.
I didn't know that she apparently left. Good for her. It's not easy cause in a show about cults on ID they did an episode on Scientology and people who leave are aggressively harassed by members
It isn't as simple as someone "ignoring" the things Scientology has done. These people don't live in a vacuum . It's very, very hard to leave scientology because of all of the tools of both manipulation and barriers (some being physical) that the church of Scientology employ. You should really look into what former members have to say about their time in the cult, and the level of harassment they face after leaving. The victims of this cult do not only exist outside of this cult, they also very much exist within it.
Buddy was actually meant to be a recurring character. There was QUITE a bit of backlash about the kiss and that's why he never came back. I think there was also supposed to be a plot about Eric being Bi and a Donna-Eric-Buddy triangle.
Yeah I remember reading that and it was so disheartening to hear because Buddy would've made a great recurring character. I'm not so sure about the bisexual love triangle, sounds interesting but also feels like it could've went horribly wrong.
Buddy seemed like one of the few characters who actually liked Eric and whom Eric liked lol. But in all seriousness, I loved Buddy and I love JGL and to have him as a recurring character would have been amazing but alas....homophobia
My dad gave me the entire series on DVD as a gift one year. Ive watched this show beginning to end so many times. These characters are are so fun to hang out with when you don't have any friends.
No, he was sentenced to 30 years for a bunch of unsubstantiated BULLSHIT from three EX girlfriends who had no physical evidence but somehow got a conviction 20 years after the fact. Fuck that.
And his wife is trying to hide all his assets away before the civil trials can grab them. Honestly its kinda bullshit. Sure she has a kid but when has this country ever cared about the welfare of kids who DIDN'T have a rich convicted sexual predator and rapist for a parent?
One thing I really love in this show that you didn't bring up is Red and Kitty's relationship. Back then, it was refreshing to see an older couple still be very sexually active. Like there could be an amazing compilation of them making eye contact and then running up the stairs lol I absolutely love your videos; it's nice to relive and remember a great show like this, especially since DM's actions soured it a little upon rewatch.
Never thought about this before but had to give it a like. The trope is with people who have been married a long time that they hate/resent one another. But their relationship portrayed as a strong one and Kitty is the only person Red is ever really vulnerable with.
This show did a phenomenal job of showing a somewhat true family dynamic. How some lives were especially back during the 70's. Where some houses were THE HANGOUT for everyone. Where groups of buddies would hang out, have fun, and sneak a 🍺🍻beer🍻🍺 or three/five? And how parents didn't get castrated once their kids turned 14. They took events that for many of us were scarring and horrific, like either walking on your parents....OMG! Or even hearing them! Again OMG! That caused a LOT, A LOT OF PTSD for many kids. Joking aside, That 70's Show did a great job of really showing life for some families back then in the 70's, as well as the effects on their kids, their friendships, relationships, and lives. Albeit in a very hilarious way. Granted every character was over the top, outrageously over the top, but Eric as the "Nice guy", but weak with little to no confidence, to his girlfriend Donna, a feminist wannabe who really likes the good guy even though he is also a real dumb@ss. Jackie the overconfident, narcissistic, egomaniacal, vicious, and obnoxious "baby" girl of the group who was also the first one to, give up her 🍒. Her boyfriend and total idiot Michael Kelso, who had the IQ of a 🥜peanut🥜. To the one bad guy of the group, Hyde, who knew and worked with/for their supplier of "Super Happy Fun Time" as Red called it. Finally Fez or Fes, which stood for Foreign Exchange Student. While he wasn't as paranoid as Raj from the Big Bang Theory, he was the misfit, and about as smart as smart as a 🪨 Then the parents. Red and Kitty and Bob and Midge. Kitty wanted her family at church every Sunday, while oddly Bob and Midge usually were. Probably because of their deviant behavior. Bob and Midge were swingers, partner swappers, or whatever you want to call it, they did it, and while Red and Kitty were active, they were a lot, A LOT more discreet about it Each character was perfectly casted, well written, and very well portrayed. Even the Guest Stars were incredible. Marion Ross as Red Foreman's Mother was done perfectly and Kitty played the spiteful Daughter-in-law perfect as well! The one non-main character I loved was Tommy Chong. He was again, perfectly casted, written and portrayed brilliantly. The storylines were always funny, they didn't shove a lot of agenda filled bull crap in your face, and they always entertained you. Although the last season was really really weak!
Met Debra Jo Rupp through a family friend while visiting in Massachusetts, coolest lady. Totally called her Kitty to her face 🤦 She said "I'm not Kitty, but I take that as a compliment. I'm a big fan of Kitty's." I'll definitely watch "That 90's Show." Red and Kitty were the two best characters in the show.
Red being the combat veteran and the one struggling to make ends meet and Bob being the national guardsmen and being a successful businessman always struck me as a sad commentary on how we treat our combat veterans.
The best part about the cat killer scene is that he wasn't supposed to laugh and it was a blooper they kept in the show with Kurtwood's recovery of keeping a straight face
I had actually never even noticed that, looking back it probably was another reason why it was so popular. Almost every teen show revolves around school somehow, not having that was really like hanging out with them in their circle.
You only really see school scenes in season one and prom and Eric having to complete gym. I always liked that it felt like we were just chilling with them, escaping school with them.
There were a few but I think they mostly took place in season 1. Like how we saw Eric in science class with the guy who had a crush on him. Or the gang standing outside school. I definitely agree with you though that it was odd how we hardly saw them in school compared to other sitcoms that were high-school centered at the time.
Also as far as the sort of cliche "Jackie is dating everyone" story lines, that sort of isn't all that unrealistic either i feel. Growing up there were a few girls close in our friend group that pretty much dated most of the guys over the years. There wasn't anything bad about it, it was just teenagers learning the ropes of dating and romance and that is going to happen when you spend so much of your time with people during your teen years. I've even seen this sort of play out with my niece and her friend group. Its part of growing up, not really knowing what you want or who you are, and just exploring romance with people you feel most comfortable with. I do wish they gave Jackie more to do, but i still found a lot of relatable stuff her in her constant romantic adventures with the group.
Its also just what happens in a small dating pool in your teens and twenties. I wa so confused in later years when a SO was confused/hurt by how I had 'dated all of my friends'. Like yeah... who else?
I men its a small town , then, yeah, that happens, as do on off relationships. and yeah just happens in socia groups apearently. Including some drama.That honesty is pretty realistic.
its kind of hard for me to believe this is common unless the demographic is from a small town. that hasnt been my experience for the most part. it feels like more what happens with a lot of sticoms where the cast all date each other because no one's trying to cast a bunch of extra people to be just 4 or 5 extra love interests for characters. most of my experience irl is people finding someone outside the circle, and brining them into the fold while theyre dating.
I agree, I grew up in a small town too, also somewhat isolated geographically… that really is what happens sometimes. It doesn’t seem like “much to do” in terms of TV plotlines but sometimes that’s reality for a small town high school student.
The countdown was the best way to end the show. I've seen the series probably around 13 times now and everytime I get a little goosebumps and a couple seconds of depression....then I restart it.
One thing I gotta disagree on is Red and Foreman's relationship is so meaningful BECAUSE of that stigma of masculinity. The way they play it is perfect if you ask me. Because Red breaks the "rules" that he was inundated with on more than one occasion when it truly matters. But at the same time he is doing the dad thing of letting his son know nobody gives a shit about his issues most of the time.
An he is a flawed person , and i hat how he later gets more a character, but its even better when red i cleary flawed, and that charactr works becaus he is so contradictory and trying to break pattern when, also being stuck. Like what matters is that yeah he actually liten sometimes an actually cars and tries, but also, he is stuck in his ways. Dunno if thats why he feels so real. That people arent perfect, And godamn he could have gotten a better growth, but he is great played between realistic fawed peron stuck in their way and doing somehat connect. And he is that character, not a great rolemodel but a flawed one. Which are more real?! An he has points?! And they fight, but its , ok it feels real. It makes me interested how much of his dad was put in th how by him by the creator. An yeah kitty could have gotten more evelopement and ike red actually opening up more and he xpore , i dont know, stuff she likes even mal things, i dont know. Maybe thts whr the cynicim . But red i played perfect .
Also one thing of note, red is a combat veteran. The man is also implied to have been from an abusive home. He is incredibly flawed but tries to be a good man.
Well that is because they are extremely surface level and the research is rather piss poor on core concepts but then concepts like Red's masculinity which is all subjective assumption, all of as sudden this guy has all the time in the world to speculate. This dude is such a leftist that some really basic concepts get overlooked but hey lets talk 5 minutes bout 1 gay character in 1 part of 1 episode only to come to the conclusion 5 minutes later that the show is hetero.... okay cool point nerd. At least Hyde's entire social outcast mark and social acceptance into a new family which was part of almost the entire series got like 8 minutes of time. It is basically a wikipedia where everything left and social justice is blown up to half the show and all of the major arching themes are cliffnotes because this guy is insane.
This show played a big role in my childhood. Hyde was probably my favorite character, and im so so sad Danny Masterson turned out this way. I'm so unbelievably let down
I feel like the context of Wilmer Valderrama dating 17 year old Demi Lovato when he was 29 really helps contextualize the creepiness of Fez in the show. Kinda disappointed it wasn’t mentioned as I feel like more people need to talk about what a creep he is IRL.
I knew he dated Demi Lovato and Lindsay Lohan but I never heard people talk about the context of how young they were until Mila Tequila mentioned it in her series on Lindsay Lohan
On the serious side, we also have to remember the accusations against Wilmer Valderrama for the grooming of several teenagers during his whole life. There are at least 4 of them and all have talked about how they were wooed by him when they were under 20 y/o while he was in his late 20s/early 30s. These relationships have left a lot of trauma and have harmed all the women who unfortunately were targeted by him during the years (some even include his current wife who is 11 years his junior)
Danny Masterson who played Hyde is also in court now for sexual assault of multiple women, with the church of scientology trying to sweep it under the rug.
I tried looking at his Wikipedia page, and searching his name + allegations and all I can find is stuff about other actors. Do you have a link or something?
A big part of it is the number of episodes per season. I think that's why we see lower episode counts on more recent quality shows. A lot of Netflix, HBO, etc. type of series will do 8 - 12 episodes in a season, and the BBC is famous for the 6 episode season. That 70s Show made 128 episodes in the first 5 seasons. That's over 45 hours of plots, jokes, dialogue, and ideas. If they were only asked to make, say, 15 episodes per season, they may have avoided the Flanderization before a combo of the actors getting too old and the showrunners moving on would have let it end as a stronger program.
I used to watch this all the time but the part that I’m most nostalgic for is how after each episode (or sometimes even during a commercial break) I’d go find my stepmom and tell her all the stuff that happened or jokes that so funny etc, she didn’t watch the show so I think she was just humoring me but she would sit there, laugh along with what I told her and obviously it’s not a major thing but it’s turned into a really cherished memory of our time together now that she’s passed. Honestly because of the memories of the show being so intertwined with those specific memories, I may just want to let the show stay that way in my mind instead of a full blown rewatch.
I can totally emphasize with that feeling. My stepmom introduced me to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She had all the seasons on DVD and we would watch them over and over when I came over the summer. When she pasted away and we were cleaning out her place, I grabbed all the DVDs and even bought a DVD player. 📀
That's actually awesome, are you a performer of some kind--comedian, storyteller, musician, etc? Sounds like your stepmom enjoyed your narration and appreciated your talent. Either way, that's a really nice memory. Thanks for sharing.
I appreciate you throwing the "Santa clause" scene in. One of the best scenes in the show. It also establishes that Red isn't cold hearted. He does care, he just shows it by being a hard ass.
Loved this show, but you can tell it doesn't quite know what to do with itself in the later seasons. The bit where you talked about how the characters were trapped by the premise of the show, starting in the late 70's and never being able to progress past that point, is something I've always felt too. Never understood why they didn't start the show in the early 70's instead, to allow for more change and give the characters more room to grow while still keeping the premise.
Agree. The only way it might have worked is to deliberately have the friends stick around in town after graduating to work, attend local colleges, and be roommates, thus ushering in their young adult 80s era.
They mentioned they set it in the mid to late seventies so the trends of the decade are more established. The early seventies are probably too much like the sixties for it to feel like a sevnties show.
@@aaronmaher8882 Yeah, that's probably true. Also just now realized that they might not even have considered this, since the show wasn't called That 70's Show when they started producing it. If they'd called it something else, like they originally planned, they could have theoretically moved into the 80's, but they were basically trapped by changing the name.
Great take. I think That 70's Show is most underrated sitcom ever. Because it's never mentioned in the same sentence as The Office, Seinfeld, Friends, Curb...
I grew up watching this show in the early 2000's, my teenage years, and I only related a lot with Eric at the time. Haven't revisited the show in nearly 20 years now, but watching this retro really shows how this show hit so many real and relatable characters and stories. Those early seasons were so incredibly well-written.
"If you can see a future without me and that doesn't break your heart...then we're not doing what I thought we were doing here.." Is my favorite line from the entire show. I remember watching this episode while in middle of an intense breakup with my high school sweetheart my SR year..and that line put sooo many things into perspective for me and changed the course of my life.. I know that sounds deep for a comedy show lol but it's true.
I worked in a retirement home as a 16 year old drop out, both on the medical side as a “house keeper” and on the side where the residents were more able bodied but still needed help. When I found out one of the the residents on the medical side passed away, that I grew a bond with, I cried in front of the whole nursing staff asking how he died and if it was painless. They were all used to it but still understood my first time pain. Nurses and doctors are so strong and caring. Even if they have to mask the pain they feel from the inevitable losses they will face. The man I lost rarely got visits from family, lost his wife during retirement, and persisted to PAY me for doing my job (which is not something we are supposed to accept so he kept offering me 5 bucks for my cleaning services but all I could do was let him know i appreciated it but couldn’t take it, and one day he was gone) So that scene with Kitty just jamming out to cope, resonated with me
@@pazza4555 the Alzheimer’s ward was the worst to clean. Not because of the residents making a mess, but because of how alone and isolated they were. I’d speed up my cleaning just to spend some time helping the nurses on duty with the residents. They could make the worst messes ever but after seeing how they were treated by the system, I loved spending time with them. Again, the families were barley around so it was the least I could do for the residents. People really don’t know what the elderly go through in “the home”. I’m just glad I’m not the only one who went through it and feels this way. Bless your mother for her work
My mom worked as an “operator” (don’t think there is a real translation of such role in English: it’s a caring nurse that can’t administer medicine) in a nursing home practically her whole life and I’m very proud of how much humanity and empathy she had for whoever she took care of. I had families of people long gone that came to her funeral to tell us how much she made a difference: she passed away at 56 at the 6th of march. In an aging world we need people empathising and caring for the elderly so thank you for your work too
@@EmanueleVaccari in the US if you aren’t “Qmap” you can’t give out the meds. Probably what your mom would be here. I didn’t want the responsibility at 16 to administer meds to residents. Your mom served her residents well and made great friends from what you say ♥️ may she find peace 💕
Ive always thought the best tension in the show was how Red wanted Eric to be more like him, but he truly is a "Momma's boy". He's so much more like his mother. But there are times where his father also shines through, like keeping the gang together.
22:40 saving this for myself and anyone else who could see Kelso slip into the punch bowl and keep the scene going over and over again without getting tired of it.
So glad that you added that part at the end about the debate over engaging with art where some of the people involved have done shitty things. Personally I agree that it would be unfair to discount That 70s Show entirely because of Danny Masterson's actions, but also I understand why some people would avoid it. There are definitely times where it feels weird watching the show knowing what he did. Especially as Hyde is such a beloved character I think a lot of people (myself included) have pretty conflicted feelings about loving the character but hating the guy who portrayed him.
So you didn't find it strange that 3 ex-girlfriends came out of the woodwork after 20 years to smear and accuse him **without a fucking shred of physical evidence** and that there was a mistrial the first time around?
The writing of Jackie's character and the fact that she isn't given many plots outside of her romantic entanglements I think relates back to the fact that the target audience for this show was 18-to-49-year-old men. For teen guys watching this show, they have four male characters to relate to, but there are only two main teenage girls in the cast, presenting fewer personalities for female viewers to relate to. The women in the show (especially Donna) symbolize the 'girl next door' that the male audiences wish they could date/wished they dated when they were younger more than they are full-fledged characters, which is unfortunately common in sitcoms (it's a problem that The Big Bang Theory sometimes had with Penny, Bernadette and Amy).
Honesty , its fine he is eporing, it pretty common in ciques that people make rounds, what hurt is that ike he could have other stories too, but her going rounds, is a thing that happens. And a smal town, is small. But yeah she coud have others havve epord too, and mila kunis is good, she woud have owned that. Plus a shame they didnt gave fez at least some weird but sucessful job or business where he is not a creep. Dunno maybe a transator or whatever. Hel he even coul incidently be involvd with a crimelord. You can make him weird without making him a creep!
My family watched this show as it aired and it has always been a comfort show to play in the background at home regularly and it resonating a lot for my parents as people who was a teenagers in the 70s with that nostalgia and for me and my brother seeing the show, especially in hindsight as older teenagers and adults down the line. As for the controversy in the wake of allegations, I can still watch the show, mostly as a time capsule and because in watching it with the media I own, I am not actively supporting an artist who is actively hurting people in the here and now the way I would have if I not stopped watching The Ranch when that news broke
I think the producers said that they wanted to keep Buddy as a main character/ reoccurring character that had more storylines with Eric but network execs were concerned that ratings would tank due to homophobia. I hope he comes back in the 90s reboot.
didn't a similar situation happen in the episode with Donna's coworker Melissa? They kinda set her up to be a recurring love interest for Hyde, but nothing came of it. I heard there were racist complaints from viewers.
90s reboot??? Omg who ever came up with that idea is a genius!!! Its an awesome idea especially since the 90s are what I hear most people having nostalgia for these days
The Tommy Chong arrest was actually more complex and disturbing than this video shows. So, Chong Bongs was owned by Tommy Chong's son, who had the exclusive license to use his father's likeness for the brand. The company was based in Canada and sold bongs online to US customers. When the FBI went after the bong company they threatened to arrest Chong's son for his ownership of the company, but Tommy Chong agreed to go to prison in exchange for the charges being dropped against his son. Strangely enough, while in prison, Chong was a cell mate with Jordan Belfort, and it was Chong who convinced him to make a memoir that would eventually become The Wolf of Wall Street. I like the idea of Tommy Chong sharing a cell with an infamous stock broker going "Cool man, hey, you should make a movie man"
I never understood why they started the show in 76 and went through so quickly. They should really have started the show earlier in 73 or 74 at the latest.
Tbh, Red's switch on Nixon reminds me of a lot of Republicans going from being ashamed of Jan 6th, to just digging in, and becoming even more supportive of the GOP.
Yeah, though I hate the Flanderization, it's not unheard of for an oldschool republican to get radicalized to just turn into towing the company line over time
Through i woul iked i red were rathe a rolemodel for being a cranky not great person, he remembers noixon, and do not trust them of something. Which dunno another cospiracy hole, but could he at least have that clearity. An media is important, so i would rather hav a good exampl of a principles lawed onrvative than one buying al in.
Retrospectives are one of my favourite video essay formats, and this is a top tier example. The structure is perfect, narration soothing, and above all it makes me want to revisit this show. Thank you, keep it up!
I was about the same age as the characters in this show. I graduated from high school in 1977, so it very much resonated. I remember the scene where they decided to tape record themselves while smoking pot, because they were so sure they were making profound observations that they couldn't remember later, only to discover, when they weren't high, that they sounded like idiots.
1:31:23 if that 80s show came out like 10 years later I think it could gone on longer than it did because early 2010s is really where 80s nostalgia started to come out the woodworks
Mane this show is medicine for the soul - it’s timeless because we all lived it in some way. We smoked in the garage instead of the basement but the conversations/family trouble/romances was the same ❤
Fun fact, the two novice writers hired to adapt it for the UK went on to create the highly successful and very dark sitcom "Peep Show" (among others), and one of them is the creator/showrunner of HBO's darkly funny drama "Succession". I'm not sure if That 70s Show had any chance of working over there, but as a project it was a terrible fit for those two.
The British 70s show felt weirdly American because they tried to adapt it too directly when culturally I think Britain and the US were quite different, much more so than today. Even the layout of the house is similar, which is just all wrong for a lower middle class/working class household in Britain. I doubt that was the choice of the writers though.
My dad grew up in a small town in Wisconsin during the 70s, and he always talks about how extremely accurate this show is. I've only seen a couple reruns here and there, but I need to watch it all the way through at some point.
I only ever watched a few episodes here and there when it was on, I really enjoyed this. Your insights into the show itself and stuff around it and care you give to difficult topics is really nice to hear.
Oh man, this show. I was a big fan of it for a while, because when it was good it was really good - the writing was clever, the characters were easy to relate to, and the actors absolutely killed their parts. But it really went downhill at some point. The characters got flat, plot points got repeated multiple times, and the jokes about casual racism and sexism felt less and less intentional until they just started to be casually racist and sexist. So I really don't know how I feel about the show overall. I don't think I'd ever watch the show from beginning to end, but I'd probably still recommend the first few seasons to people who haven't seen it.
Watching Ashton staring at a picture of Mila Kunis is so cool knowing where they are at now, which is hopefully even better than it seems from the outside
I grew up with this show. Finding it first as a teenager and then for some subconscious reasons returning to it every time before or after a major change or shifting season in my life. So much is contained within this sitcom. Comfort, care, change, real life. We have a tendency to not treat certain pieces of art or writing as seriously as other, just by the format under which they are presented - such as a sitcom. But I derived as much guidance, knowledge, and comfort from That 70's show as any of what we consider the 'great works of art'. And the show through this fantastic video of your's seemed to have found me yet again directly before another major horizon in my life. Thank you for this retrospective and for treating That 70's show with the seriousness and intricacy that is contained within it and yet often overlooked.
Segwaying from the awful last point on Scientology, I'd love to see a retrospective on King of Queens! It's really interesting to go back and watch. Despite owning a house in Queens, it does an interesting job of portraying a working-class, childless couple. In addition to just being a great show of the talents of Jerry Stiller, Leah Remi, Patton Oswalt, and Kevin James
My favorite moment is when Jackie and Kelso are dancing at the prom, and suddenly everyone around them disappears and it’s just them embracing under the spotlight. That scene has always stuck with me, and brings a tear to my eye.
The show is fueled by the good writing... and when the original creators of the show left, the love and care for the characters and their nuances left too. I read that the new writers only watched the first season of the show in preparation for writing it. No wonder it seems like so many of the characters were revisiting hyper-stereotyped and simplified versions of their original established personalities.
I really loved this show growing up, it was on Nick at Night when I was a child in the 2000s. I def think fans agree there was a lot of unrealized potential in the later seasons- and many act as if season 8 never happened at all (especially as Hyde was a fan favorite and Hyde/Jackie was a main ship ppl enjoyed the progress of). I do wish deeply Fez has more an actual character instead of a stereotype post s1- and Donna actually got to get her own scholarships and move on and out
Another tv retrospective on a cold Sunday morning? Don’t mind if I do. Still praying for a How I met your mother or Friends retrospective in the future 🙏🏾
22:40 i read somewhere that ashton really hurt his shins when he slammed into the edge of that table. Must have taken a lot for him to keep going with the scene like nothing happened
*PLEEEEASE DO MORE SITCOM RETROSPECTIVES!!!!* I just found your channel and have been binging your videos and man you do such an AMAZING job on these!!! We need more of them!
I'm glad it didn't happen it wouldn't have worked i think. Are you being served is an amazing show from the 70s with a main gay cast member but this was a British show
When I was like 13 I watched the show on Netflix a lot, and I guess back then it never really dawned on me how that show really went down hill in its later seasons.
When giving the date for Lisa Robin Kelly's death, I mispoke and said it was January 3, 2014. It was actually August 15, 2013. The January date was when her cause of death was announced.
@@FrancisR420 oo
I have just been watching this Jose.I was around(alive)in the 1970's(I was a preteen child in elementary school) so I am about a decade or more older than you and I watched That '70's Show in the late 1990's and most of the 2000's.
@@FrancisR420 Tommy mentioned , (I think in getting Doug with High) they it was a setup. they had a new hire, and multiple times , said employee tried sending either bongs or Seeds, to a state that its no Legal in.
and multiple times, he was caught and told DONT DO THAT.
until - he finally did. and turned out it was a undercover & inturn "busted or raided" Tommy's home and arrested him.
I feel like I have no right to be this sad over it. And also Tanya Roberts aka Midge. But its just a real bummer. I guess its a byproduct of being the blondes on the show.
Also Jackie was with Hyde when her dad went to prison and she had to fend for herself. The Foreman’s discovered her sleeping in the basement with Hyde. Then she went to live with Donna.
the scene where eric and kitty drive home when he shadows her as a nurse has always stayed with me. she always comes across as so bubbly, but carries so much pain, and Eric sees her beyond their house. it's impactful
Which episode ?
@Boco Corwin thanks man
I worked in a retirement home as a 16 year old drop out, both on the medical side as a “house keeper” and on the side where the residents were more able bodied but still needed help. When I found out one of the the residents on the medical side passed away, that I grew a bond with, I cried in front of the whole nursing staff asking how he died and if it was painless. They were all used to it but still understood my first time pain. Nurses and doctors are so strong and caring. Even if they have to mask the pain they feel from the inevitable losses they will face.
The man I lost rarely got visits from family, lost his wife during retirement, and persisted to PAY me for doing my job (which is not something we are supposed to accept so he kept offering me 5 bucks for my cleaning services but all I could do was let him know i appreciated it but couldn’t take it, and one day he was gone)
So that scene with Kitty just jamming out to cope, resonated with me
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Blood (Blood!)
I loved that. I also loved how her coworkers told Eric how hilarious Kitty was! Reminded me of the times I went into work with my own mom.
Topher was really the only one who stayed out of trouble. He got SO much flack in Hollywood because he was never seen out partying with his cast mates and actually got called like a male diva, that he was trying to separate himself from them because he was somehow "above them" well look who's laughing now...?!?
Well, it’s easy to say that NOW, but in reality, he was a diva, and was isolated and Hollywood as well us viewers hated on him for it because we liked the others in the core group so much.
Solid tactic for sheeple to pretend they didn’t support and love perverts.
We all knew Mila was underage, and the show never bothered ANYONE. Now people say “watching it now it’s pretty uncomfortable”. What BS! No mention of the innuendos of the middle aged woman in the show liking Fez or Kelso sexually, an underaged character. So funny what people deem important and even funnier how it changes more often than we do presidents. 😂
him leaving to get a movie career was a dumb move given how sitcom leads make more money than movie stars
I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye
@@Vinkel_10how is it diva behavior to be more private?
@@moosenmanexactly and what would you rather be isolated be a homebody or be a guy who dates underage girls or a rapist or someone who supported a rapist or even apart of a cult
The "18 and 49" demographic was spot on. I remember watching this with my parents as a teen and they loved it just as much as i did and would constantly laugh and make remarks about "having that hair style" or "i had that exact shirt" or going to see a band that was popular then. I saw my own teen years reflected on screen while my parents relived theirs.
Not unlike "Happy Days" decades earlier, actually!
Hell yeah, my little sister and I would watch this with our old ass dad.
I love hearing stories like this where there were teenagers watching this with their parents and both loving it.I wasn't as lucky with this but uh... Different ethnic demographics and my dad was more into crime investigation shows lol
how cute.
same!
It never fails to make me laugh when I remember that Mila Kunis told the casting directors “I’m gonna be 18” without specifying “in 4 years”
Actors who manage to pull that sort of thing and get away with it are true actors
"I'll be 18 on my bday" which was 2yrs away lol
Reminds me of how George Lazenby became James Bond.
well now it's not actually funny..........see what happened recently.
@@cykablyatman6242 perspective really
The huge downturn in quality after season 4-5 is because the show creators, Bonnie and Terry Turner, retired and left the series. It's an unfortunately common trend that when the creators of a show leave, the writers left behind just don't really understand or care about the characters and tone.
-Eric was the good-hearted center of reason in the madness, he became a slimy loser.
-Kelso was like a big excited dog who makes a mess but is obliviously happy chasing the stick, and became an obnoxious jerk.
-Jackie was a naive romantic who was absorbed in her dreams, and became a mean narcissist.
-Fez was an interesting perspective on the silly aspects of America, and became a pervert.
-Hyde was a true punk, an anarchist and politically savvy rebel who cared for his friends, he became a piece of drywall.
-Donna was the only one who was never really ruined.
Lazy writers reaching for cheap and easy jokes at the expense of the characters has been the death of so many great sitcoms.
sadly true.
Donna went from independent representative of women in the 70's to another bitchy tv spouse of the mid 00's
@@robertjackson1987 yeah you're right actually lol
thats true
I thought Mark Brazill left Season 4-5
I never noticed exactly how good Ashton Kutcher's physical comedy was. What a good show this was. And they had Mitch Hedberg in a couple episodes!
In the pilot he jumped to talk to Erics sister and slammed into the table the entire cast (besides kitty who froze) was laughing although it wasn't scripted
MY EYE
And Shannon Elizabeth… man she was the hottest woman alive at that time!
@@jace2802 yes he said it hurt bad but he kept on going with his line…there’s no way I could’ve done that. I’m a punk when it comes to pain lol!
@@jace2802 I love that scene and always thought it took multiple takes
It doesn't really get enough love now, but Kutcher's performance on this show was just fantastic. He was by far the best comedic actor on the show, and was so good with physical comedy. If you ever watch bloopers, you'll also see just how good he is at staying in character and keeping a scene together while improvising. I think it almost worked against him since he was then typecast as a Kelso-esque character for so long.
Kelsos unpredictable stupidity was hilarious
I agree totally. He was fantastic in this role. Almost TOO fantastic, like you said being typecast as that character- just because he was so damn good at it.
I love the line where he talks about trying to put out a fire where he says something like "I heard you fight fire with fire so I lit some matches, but it just made the fire bigger!"
Hahaha!!! Omg that scene is hilarious 😂 Thank you SO MUCH for reminding me of that, I needed a good laugh 😃
You're referring to when Kelso accidentally burns down the police academy auditorium!!
Kelso:
"I accidentally shot off a flare and it went right under the bleachers.... so then I shot off another flare at the first flare because you know what they say, you gotta "fight fire with fire...So, then I shot another flare into the air to warn people about the fire and that one just went right on the roof, so I just got the hell out of there."
😆 🤣 😂
Yeah it's funny how he defended a predator despite knowing what he did. Flailing his arms around like a big goof
Re Jackie: In a bit of a flip of her character she demonstrates a significant ability as a car-mechanic, which is part of why Red likes her better than the rest of the gang
It always broke my heart they never followed up on that. I feel like someone had the idea "what if Jackie and Red bonded and he became a surrogate father figure to her" and they never followed up on it.
@@koboldcatgirl I think part of it was because it felt like he was becoming a surrogate father to almost every character in the main cast
@@ArmandoSanchezOG when your chosen profession is career dad
@@ArmandoSanchezOG love that Red was the most surrogate father to Jackie and Hyde. Donna had Bob, Kelso i think still had his dad, and he shared good moments with Fez but him being a foreigner i think didn’t allow him to get as close to him as he was to Jackie and Hyde later on. regardless, Red and Kitty were the perfect couple to be either both surrogate parents or secondary parents to the cast
Just like how in King of the Hill Luanne kept being shown to be a mechanic in early seasons to give her depth and then it was just dropped with no explanation
tbh i think the dated, restrained relationship between Eric and Red is a good thing. That's how things were for a lot of people back then, and it informed how Gen X parents treat their children; you can see where they found inspiration and where they wanted to improve
They weren’t gen x characters they were boomers technically Gen x teens were mostly during the literal last bit of the 70s and the rest 80s to 90s
I kinda laughed when he mentioned that he wished that the relationship between Eric and Red wasn't stereotypical. This aired on the late 90s/early 2000s and too place in the 70s. This sort of relationship was normal and on point for its time.
@@JurgaBurgaFlintines You literally said "I laughed when he said he wished Eric and Red's relationship wasn't stereotypical, because that was the stereotype for father/son relationships in the 90's and early 00's!"
That scene where Kitty and Red are basically saving Hyde is at the same time funny as hell and also so touching. It’s by far one of my favorite scenes in this show.
And towards the end of the series when Kitty tears up and hugs Hyde and tells him "I just adore you!" - that made me tear up, too.
For real, when he's left in Hydes home, alone, looks at the ceiling & you hear him exclaim covered by one loud *BEEP* censor, was perfect to make me laugh back then.
Hyde and Jackie makes so much sense in terms of character, even from the very beginning
should've kept them together I think
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@@user-wo3yd5ke4s they're both kind of bad, superficial people with a deeper sense of kindness and morality that redeems them
I agree, they were the best together
@@thatyoutubechannel9953 they're not "bad" they're teenagers but they actually help each other
My mom (Melina Root) was the costume designer for all three shows and we're longtime friends of the Turners. Nice to see this show had such an impact on people
She did an incredible job; watching all these old clips I can't help but notice how well done the costume design was throughout the show!
From someone who grew up in the 70's: Tell your mother she did a great job. The clothing looked very authentic!
Your mom did amazing!!!! Tell her we love her
Wow, your mom did an excellent job! I can't speak for the other shows as I haven't really seen them, but the costume design on 70s was always really well done.
A less talented costume designer could have ruined the show by making the costumes too gamey and over-the-top, like 'hippy' costumes you see at Walmart every October.
As a 22 y/o theatrical costume designer (who grew up with this show), your mom is a total inspiration, she did AMAZING work! I’m obsessed with Jackie’s wardrobe to this day!!!
The episode where Red asks the president a question has always stuck with me.
"Oui oui pee pee!"
I like how Eric gives red courage and it’s still hilarious.
“Next time don’t wear black socks, it makes you look like an ass”
The scene where Kitty is showing the house for sale always makes me tear up. She’s so good. All those tears in the finale were real.
Probably one of few only good scenes from season 8.
45:49 him asking her how she deals with nursing and hospital work, and her just sitting with the radio blasting very loud and singing. I never realized it until now, but after I became a nurse and dealing with some bad nights, either quiet or the hardest, loudest, shit one could listen to….they nailed that one pretty subtly.
I loved Hyde's character... It's a bummer to see Danny Masterson turned out to be an abuser/SA assaulter currently on trial. Not to mention his ties to scientology 🙄
Laura Prepon (Donna) is (was?) also a scientologist. She's allegedly left "the church" but she was still in for a long time, either ignorant or willfully ignoring the many many atrocities that have come out around scientology in the last couple of decades.
Religion is a plague on humanity 🤮
Although I agree, when it comes to atrocities commited by churches, lots of churches have done that and still do.
I didn't know that she apparently left. Good for her. It's not easy cause in a show about cults on ID they did an episode on Scientology and people who leave are aggressively harassed by members
It isn't as simple as someone "ignoring" the things Scientology has done. These people don't live in a vacuum . It's very, very hard to leave scientology because of all of the tools of both manipulation and barriers (some being physical) that the church of Scientology employ.
You should really look into what former members have to say about their time in the cult, and the level of harassment they face after leaving. The victims of this cult do not only exist outside of this cult, they also very much exist within it.
Shes been out for six years
Buddy was actually meant to be a recurring character. There was QUITE a bit of backlash about the kiss and that's why he never came back. I think there was also supposed to be a plot about Eric being Bi and a Donna-Eric-Buddy triangle.
that would've been cool to see ngl
Yeah I remember reading that and it was so disheartening to hear because Buddy would've made a great recurring character. I'm not so sure about the bisexual love triangle, sounds interesting but also feels like it could've went horribly wrong.
Too bad, buddy i pretty cool and likable and , at east could hav recurring , even more with eric, but is prtty cool and fun.
Buddy seemed like one of the few characters who actually liked Eric and whom Eric liked lol.
But in all seriousness, I loved Buddy and I love JGL and to have him as a recurring character would have been amazing but alas....homophobia
that would have been ok but messed up the eric donna relationaship
Always liked when Donna got the job at the radio station.....a dream job for a teen at that time
My dad gave me the entire series on DVD as a gift one year. Ive watched this show beginning to end so many times. These characters are are so fun to hang out with when you don't have any friends.
;_;
Danny Masterson update: as of 9/7/2023 he has been sentenced to 30 years to life in prison for his crimes.
No, he was sentenced to 30 years for a bunch of unsubstantiated BULLSHIT from three EX girlfriends who had no physical evidence but somehow got a conviction 20 years after the fact. Fuck that.
And his wife is trying to hide all his assets away before the civil trials can grab them. Honestly its kinda bullshit. Sure she has a kid but when has this country ever cared about the welfare of kids who DIDN'T have a rich convicted sexual predator and rapist for a parent?
With no physical evidence at that. How neat
@@jbkeebs You’re actually stupid
@@jbkeebsstay mad
When Eric blurts out "bitchin'!" after Red throws him the keys to the Vista Cruiser? Freaking hilarious!
One thing I really love in this show that you didn't bring up is Red and Kitty's relationship. Back then, it was refreshing to see an older couple still be very sexually active. Like there could be an amazing compilation of them making eye contact and then running up the stairs lol
I absolutely love your videos; it's nice to relive and remember a great show like this, especially since DM's actions soured it a little upon rewatch.
"OH KITTY!"
It was also the first time I remember seeing the parents being like actual well rounded people.
Never thought about this before but had to give it a like. The trope is with people who have been married a long time that they hate/resent one another. But their relationship portrayed as a strong one and Kitty is the only person Red is ever really vulnerable with.
"I took cosmos test on 10 ways to please your man and I got 9/10. But I missed #3 cause I'm a nurse and #3 is icky." I love kitty.
This show did a phenomenal job of showing a somewhat true family dynamic. How some lives were especially back during the 70's. Where some houses were THE HANGOUT for everyone. Where groups of buddies would hang out, have fun, and sneak a 🍺🍻beer🍻🍺 or three/five? And how parents didn't get castrated once their kids turned 14. They took events that for many of us were scarring and horrific, like either walking on your parents....OMG! Or even hearing them! Again OMG! That caused a LOT, A LOT OF PTSD for many kids. Joking aside, That 70's Show did a great job of really showing life for some families back then in the 70's, as well as the effects on their kids, their friendships, relationships, and lives. Albeit in a very hilarious way. Granted every character was over the top, outrageously over the top, but Eric as the "Nice guy", but weak with little to no confidence, to his girlfriend Donna, a feminist wannabe who really likes the good guy even though he is also a real dumb@ss. Jackie the overconfident, narcissistic, egomaniacal, vicious, and obnoxious "baby" girl of the group who was also the first one to, give up her 🍒. Her boyfriend and total idiot Michael Kelso, who had the IQ of a 🥜peanut🥜. To the one bad guy of the group, Hyde, who knew and worked with/for their supplier of "Super Happy Fun Time" as Red called it. Finally Fez or Fes, which stood for Foreign Exchange Student. While he wasn't as paranoid as Raj from the Big Bang Theory, he was the misfit, and about as smart as smart as a 🪨 Then the parents. Red and Kitty and Bob and Midge. Kitty wanted her family at church every Sunday, while oddly Bob and Midge usually were. Probably because of their deviant behavior. Bob and Midge were swingers, partner swappers, or whatever you want to call it, they did it, and while Red and Kitty were active, they were a lot, A LOT more discreet about it Each character was perfectly casted, well written, and very well portrayed. Even the Guest Stars were incredible. Marion Ross as Red Foreman's Mother was done perfectly and Kitty played the spiteful Daughter-in-law perfect as well! The one non-main character I loved was Tommy Chong. He was again, perfectly casted, written and portrayed brilliantly. The storylines were always funny, they didn't shove a lot of agenda filled bull crap in your face, and they always entertained you. Although the last season was really really weak!
Met Debra Jo Rupp through a family friend while visiting in Massachusetts, coolest lady. Totally called her Kitty to her face 🤦 She said "I'm not Kitty, but I take that as a compliment. I'm a big fan of Kitty's." I'll definitely watch "That 90's Show." Red and Kitty were the two best characters in the show.
Red being the combat veteran and the one struggling to make ends meet and Bob being the national guardsmen and being a successful businessman always struck me as a sad commentary on how we treat our combat veterans.
Very interesting point
Wouldn't it be good if the US stopped interfering in other Nation's affairs so there wasn't any more combat veterans.
The best part about the cat killer scene is that he wasn't supposed to laugh and it was a blooper they kept in the show with Kurtwood's recovery of keeping a straight face
That is one of my favorite episodes 😂😂😂😂.
I always thought it was strange that a show about teenagers had virtually no scenes in a high school. I can only remember a few times it was shown.
The only one i can think of is the one when Eric gets caught with the cigarette
I had actually never even noticed that, looking back it probably was another reason why it was so popular. Almost every teen show revolves around school somehow, not having that was really like hanging out with them in their circle.
there was the lunch scene where they looked like The Last Supper
You only really see school scenes in season one and prom and Eric having to complete gym. I always liked that it felt like we were just chilling with them, escaping school with them.
There were a few but I think they mostly took place in season 1. Like how we saw Eric in science class with the guy who had a crush on him. Or the gang standing outside school. I definitely agree with you though that it was odd how we hardly saw them in school compared to other sitcoms that were high-school centered at the time.
Every time I see the dad in other media, I instantly see him as the Dad of this show. Red and Kitty will truly always be the standout characters to me
Also as far as the sort of cliche "Jackie is dating everyone" story lines, that sort of isn't all that unrealistic either i feel. Growing up there were a few girls close in our friend group that pretty much dated most of the guys over the years. There wasn't anything bad about it, it was just teenagers learning the ropes of dating and romance and that is going to happen when you spend so much of your time with people during your teen years. I've even seen this sort of play out with my niece and her friend group. Its part of growing up, not really knowing what you want or who you are, and just exploring romance with people you feel most comfortable with.
I do wish they gave Jackie more to do, but i still found a lot of relatable stuff her in her constant romantic adventures with the group.
Its also just what happens in a small dating pool in your teens and twenties. I wa so confused in later years when a SO was confused/hurt by how I had 'dated all of my friends'. Like yeah... who else?
I men its a small town , then, yeah, that happens, as do on off relationships. and yeah just happens in socia groups apearently. Including some drama.That honesty is pretty realistic.
its kind of hard for me to believe this is common unless the demographic is from a small town. that hasnt been my experience for the most part. it feels like more what happens with a lot of sticoms where the cast all date each other because no one's trying to cast a bunch of extra people to be just 4 or 5 extra love interests for characters. most of my experience irl is people finding someone outside the circle, and brining them into the fold while theyre dating.
This sort of happened to me in college.. never thought I'd be that girl, but I was.
I agree, I grew up in a small town too, also somewhat isolated geographically… that really is what happens sometimes. It doesn’t seem like “much to do” in terms of TV plotlines but sometimes that’s reality for a small town high school student.
The countdown was the best way to end the show. I've seen the series probably around 13 times now and everytime I get a little goosebumps and a couple seconds of depression....then I restart it.
I loved how Red yelled at Hyde lovingly to get in it the car, warms my heart every time
One thing I gotta disagree on is Red and Foreman's relationship is so meaningful BECAUSE of that stigma of masculinity. The way they play it is perfect if you ask me. Because Red breaks the "rules" that he was inundated with on more than one occasion when it truly matters. But at the same time he is doing the dad thing of letting his son know nobody gives a shit about his issues most of the time.
An he is a flawed person , and i hat how he later gets more a character, but its even better when red i cleary flawed, and that charactr works becaus he is so contradictory and trying to break pattern when, also being stuck.
Like what matters is that yeah he actually liten sometimes an actually cars and tries, but also, he is stuck in his ways. Dunno if thats why he feels so real. That people arent perfect,
And godamn he could have gotten a better growth, but he is great played between realistic fawed peron stuck in their way and doing somehat connect. And he is that character, not a great rolemodel but a flawed one. Which are more real?! An he has points?! And they fight, but its , ok it feels real.
It makes me interested how much of his dad was put in th how by him by the creator.
An yeah kitty could have gotten more evelopement and ike red actually opening up more and he xpore , i dont know, stuff she likes even mal things, i dont know. Maybe thts whr the cynicim . But red i played perfect .
Also one thing of note, red is a combat veteran. The man is also implied to have been from an abusive home. He is incredibly flawed but tries to be a good man.
The speed that you put out these retrospectives is insanely impressive.
Well that is because they are extremely surface level and the research is rather piss poor on core concepts but then concepts like Red's masculinity which is all subjective assumption, all of as sudden this guy has all the time in the world to speculate. This dude is such a leftist that some really basic concepts get overlooked but hey lets talk 5 minutes bout 1 gay character in 1 part of 1 episode only to come to the conclusion 5 minutes later that the show is hetero.... okay cool point nerd. At least Hyde's entire social outcast mark and social acceptance into a new family which was part of almost the entire series got like 8 minutes of time. It is basically a wikipedia where everything left and social justice is blown up to half the show and all of the major arching themes are cliffnotes because this guy is insane.
Considering the quality of the writing, it really isn’t.
I've seen this show from start to finish a million times over the past twenty years. It's one of my comfort watches.
same
This show played a big role in my childhood. Hyde was probably my favorite character, and im so so sad Danny Masterson turned out this way. I'm so unbelievably let down
Yeah...hey word being UNBELIEVABLE.
Man I really hope That 90’s Show has some sort of flashback scene where Eric finds out Luke and Leia are siblings
Topher Grace has barely aged so that might actually work lol
I feel like the context of Wilmer Valderrama dating 17 year old Demi Lovato when he was 29 really helps contextualize the creepiness of Fez in the show. Kinda disappointed it wasn’t mentioned as I feel like more people need to talk about what a creep he is IRL.
Man that sucks, I had no idea
I knew he dated Demi Lovato and Lindsay Lohan but I never heard people talk about the context of how young they were until Mila Tequila mentioned it in her series on Lindsay Lohan
Yeah, Jose was talking up how creepy Fez was I really expected him to mention how Wilmer is a serial predator. Alas.
That is insane. +1 as another person who had no idea about this about Wilmer.
I mean he’s six years older than Lindsay Lohan and men are creeps so like that no surprise but damn 17? That’s fucked
On the serious side, we also have to remember the accusations against Wilmer Valderrama for the grooming of several teenagers during his whole life. There are at least 4 of them and all have talked about how they were wooed by him when they were under 20 y/o while he was in his late 20s/early 30s. These relationships have left a lot of trauma and have harmed all the women who unfortunately were targeted by him during the years (some even include his current wife who is 11 years his junior)
Danny Masterson who played Hyde is also in court now for sexual assault of multiple women, with the church of scientology trying to sweep it under the rug.
@@punkorifik there’s a whole bit at the end of video about Danny
I tried looking at his Wikipedia page, and searching his name + allegations and all I can find is stuff about other actors. Do you have a link or something?
@@simonwilliamson3684 th-cam.com/video/2zb3IBybwu8/w-d-xo.html
This is a pretty well researched video summarizing the situation
@@simonwilliamson3684 Sol4n made a video about it in many details worth checking out
I feel like every show that last longer than 5 seasons has a flanderization problem.
A big part of it is the number of episodes per season. I think that's why we see lower episode counts on more recent quality shows. A lot of Netflix, HBO, etc. type of series will do 8 - 12 episodes in a season, and the BBC is famous for the 6 episode season. That 70s Show made 128 episodes in the first 5 seasons. That's over 45 hours of plots, jokes, dialogue, and ideas. If they were only asked to make, say, 15 episodes per season, they may have avoided the Flanderization before a combo of the actors getting too old and the showrunners moving on would have let it end as a stronger program.
Kitty going through menopause was f***ing hilarious, probably the main reason season 5 is a top 3 for me.
Mucous membrane
I think this video sums up perfectly why this show feels so nostalgic even though the audience didn't grow up in the 70s
I used to watch this all the time but the part that I’m most nostalgic for is how after each episode (or sometimes even during a commercial break) I’d go find my stepmom and tell her all the stuff that happened or jokes that so funny etc, she didn’t watch the show so I think she was just humoring me but she would sit there, laugh along with what I told her and obviously it’s not a major thing but it’s turned into a really cherished memory of our time together now that she’s passed.
Honestly because of the memories of the show being so intertwined with those specific memories, I may just want to let the show stay that way in my mind instead of a full blown rewatch.
sorry 4 ya loss, very cool observations
I can totally emphasize with that feeling. My stepmom introduced me to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She had all the seasons on DVD and we would watch them over and over when I came over the summer. When she pasted away and we were cleaning out her place, I grabbed all the DVDs and even bought a DVD player. 📀
That's actually awesome, are you a performer of some kind--comedian, storyteller, musician, etc? Sounds like your stepmom enjoyed your narration and appreciated your talent. Either way, that's a really nice memory. Thanks for sharing.
that is so cute damn
@@kerishaw8991 *empathize baby
I appreciate you throwing the "Santa clause" scene in. One of the best scenes in the show. It also establishes that Red isn't cold hearted. He does care, he just shows it by being a hard ass.
Loved this show, but you can tell it doesn't quite know what to do with itself in the later seasons. The bit where you talked about how the characters were trapped by the premise of the show, starting in the late 70's and never being able to progress past that point, is something I've always felt too. Never understood why they didn't start the show in the early 70's instead, to allow for more change and give the characters more room to grow while still keeping the premise.
Agree. The only way it might have worked is to deliberately have the friends stick around in town after graduating to work, attend local colleges, and be roommates, thus ushering in their young adult 80s era.
They mentioned they set it in the mid to late seventies so the trends of the decade are more established. The early seventies are probably too much like the sixties for it to feel like a sevnties show.
@@aaronmaher8882 Yeah, that's probably true. Also just now realized that they might not even have considered this, since the show wasn't called That 70's Show when they started producing it. If they'd called it something else, like they originally planned, they could have theoretically moved into the 80's, but they were basically trapped by changing the name.
I think they started the show in 1976 so there’s no Vietnam War going on in the world of That 70’s show.
Needed to get to star wars to happen sooner
Great take. I think That 70's Show is most underrated sitcom ever. Because it's never mentioned in the same sentence as The Office, Seinfeld, Friends, Curb...
I grew up watching this show in the early 2000's, my teenage years, and I only related a lot with Eric at the time. Haven't revisited the show in nearly 20 years now, but watching this retro really shows how this show hit so many real and relatable characters and stories. Those early seasons were so incredibly well-written.
This is the first of these retrospectives that's about a show I've actually seen most of, which should make for an interesting watch.
"If you can see a future without me and that doesn't break your heart...then we're not doing what I thought we were doing here.." Is my favorite line from the entire show.
I remember watching this episode while in middle of an intense breakup with my high school sweetheart my SR year..and that line put sooo many things into perspective for me and changed the course of my life.. I know that sounds deep for a comedy show lol but it's true.
The idea of knowing who i wanted to spend my life with at 17-18 terrified me at 17-18. I never got it.
I've never been more upset than when they took this off Netflix
Now it's on Peacock, a streaming service that doesn't actively promote softcore child p0rn like Netflix
@@cotopaximusic glad some people didn't forget about that. Haven't had Netflix since
Man, this really made me crave a Freaks and Geeks retrospective.
My favorite joke from this show is in… season two I think. Donna comes through the door and says “okay, which if you am I dating right now?”
I love Eric’s sex Dream where she hands him her robe, tells him to open his eyes, and when he does, he wakes to find a plate of 2 eggs lol
I worked in a retirement home as a 16 year old drop out, both on the medical side as a “house keeper” and on the side where the residents were more able bodied but still needed help. When I found out one of the the residents on the medical side passed away, that I grew a bond with, I cried in front of the whole nursing staff asking how he died and if it was painless. They were all used to it but still understood my first time pain. Nurses and doctors are so strong and caring. Even if they have to mask the pain they feel from the inevitable losses they will face.
The man I lost rarely got visits from family, lost his wife during retirement, and persisted to PAY me for doing my job (which is not something we are supposed to accept so he kept offering me 5 bucks for my cleaning services but all I could do was let him know i appreciated it but couldn’t take it, and one day he was gone)
So that scene with Kitty just jamming out to cope, resonated with me
My mom is in a memory care facility. I'm grateful beyond words for those of you who have worked with people near the end of their lives.
@@pazza4555 the Alzheimer’s ward was the worst to clean. Not because of the residents making a mess, but because of how alone and isolated they were. I’d speed up my cleaning just to spend some time helping the nurses on duty with the residents. They could make the worst messes ever but after seeing how they were treated by the system, I loved spending time with them. Again, the families were barley around so it was the least I could do for the residents. People really don’t know what the elderly go through in “the home”. I’m just glad I’m not the only one who went through it and feels this way. Bless your mother for her work
My mom worked as an “operator” (don’t think there is a real translation of such role in English: it’s a caring nurse that can’t administer medicine) in a nursing home practically her whole life and I’m very proud of how much humanity and empathy she had for whoever she took care of. I had families of people long gone that came to her funeral to tell us how much she made a difference: she passed away at 56 at the 6th of march. In an aging world we need people empathising and caring for the elderly so thank you for your work too
@@EmanueleVaccari in the US if you aren’t “Qmap” you can’t give out the meds. Probably what your mom would be here. I didn’t want the responsibility at 16 to administer meds to residents. Your mom served her residents well and made great friends from what you say ♥️ may she find peace 💕
Ive always thought the best tension in the show was how Red wanted Eric to be more like him, but he truly is a "Momma's boy". He's so much more like his mother. But there are times where his father also shines through, like keeping the gang together.
Did anyone else notice the slow creep of fashion and hairstyles from period correct to soooo 00's during the course of the show?
In their defense a lot of fashion trends in the early 2000s were heavily influenced by the 70s.
22:40 saving this for myself and anyone else who could see Kelso slip into the punch bowl and keep the scene going over and over again without getting tired of it.
Honestly surprised you skipped the episode about the gay couple who befriended Red. That was a very nice episode in retrospect!
he was only upset they were vikings fans lmao. i love that episode.
Such a good episode ahaha
The gay couple was played by the actors that played Greg and Peter Brady.😂
So glad that you added that part at the end about the debate over engaging with art where some of the people involved have done shitty things. Personally I agree that it would be unfair to discount That 70s Show entirely because of Danny Masterson's actions, but also I understand why some people would avoid it. There are definitely times where it feels weird watching the show knowing what he did. Especially as Hyde is such a beloved character I think a lot of people (myself included) have pretty conflicted feelings about loving the character but hating the guy who portrayed him.
Just rewatched them all. Hyde was my favorite. So bittersweet!
So you didn't find it strange that 3 ex-girlfriends came out of the woodwork after 20 years to smear and accuse him **without a fucking shred of physical evidence** and that there was a mistrial the first time around?
Well y'know, the church of scientology is to blame for it. They brainwash people into doing this shit thinking it's ok.
The writing of Jackie's character and the fact that she isn't given many plots outside of her romantic entanglements I think relates back to the fact that the target audience for this show was 18-to-49-year-old men. For teen guys watching this show, they have four male characters to relate to, but there are only two main teenage girls in the cast, presenting fewer personalities for female viewers to relate to. The women in the show (especially Donna) symbolize the 'girl next door' that the male audiences wish they could date/wished they dated when they were younger more than they are full-fledged characters, which is unfortunately common in sitcoms (it's a problem that The Big Bang Theory sometimes had with Penny, Bernadette and Amy).
Honesty , its fine he is eporing, it pretty common in ciques that people make rounds, what hurt is that ike he could have other stories too, but her going rounds, is a thing that happens. And a smal town, is small. But yeah she coud have others havve epord too, and mila kunis is good, she woud have owned that.
Plus a shame they didnt gave fez at least some weird but sucessful job or business where he is not a creep. Dunno maybe a transator or whatever. Hel he even coul incidently be involvd with a crimelord. You can make him weird without making him a creep!
We've seen how well movies and shows do when they're written for a target audience that simply doesn't exist. So...meh...
I had the pleasure of meeting Tonya Roberts and Jen con in 2004, she was a very nice lady. RIP
My family watched this show as it aired and it has always been a comfort show to play in the background at home regularly and it resonating a lot for my parents as people who was a teenagers in the 70s with that nostalgia and for me and my brother seeing the show, especially in hindsight as older teenagers and adults down the line. As for the controversy in the wake of allegations, I can still watch the show, mostly as a time capsule and because in watching it with the media I own, I am not actively supporting an artist who is actively hurting people in the here and now the way I would have if I not stopped watching The Ranch when that news broke
That 70s Show was a fun ride when I first watched it as a child. I owe myself a rewatch of this show to see how well it holds up.
I watched it last year and loved it more than ever
It's a little ironic how Fez turned into a huge creep in the show and Willmer went on to also be a huge creep
That's So Raven needs it's own retrospective. The world should demand it!!
NOT THE LITTLEST HOBO!! WHYYYYYY!!
Can't believe I still remember so much of this show. 🤣🤣
I love how Randy is barely a footnote in this video.
Due to recent events with Danny Masterson, a reunion episode of That 70's Show will be bittersweet.
I think the producers said that they wanted to keep Buddy as a main character/ reoccurring character that had more storylines with Eric but network execs were concerned that ratings would tank due to homophobia. I hope he comes back in the 90s reboot.
That's what I've heard
didn't a similar situation happen in the episode with Donna's coworker Melissa? They kinda set her up to be a recurring love interest for Hyde, but nothing came of it. I heard there were racist complaints from viewers.
90s reboot??? Omg who ever came up with that idea is a genius!!! Its an awesome idea especially since the 90s are what I hear most people having nostalgia for these days
Yeah we weren't as progressive as we are now... Like having Drag queen story hour for Children and teaching them how to strip.
@@tapoemt3995 life must be hard living in fear of your own imagination
The Tommy Chong arrest was actually more complex and disturbing than this video shows. So, Chong Bongs was owned by Tommy Chong's son, who had the exclusive license to use his father's likeness for the brand. The company was based in Canada and sold bongs online to US customers. When the FBI went after the bong company they threatened to arrest Chong's son for his ownership of the company, but Tommy Chong agreed to go to prison in exchange for the charges being dropped against his son. Strangely enough, while in prison, Chong was a cell mate with Jordan Belfort, and it was Chong who convinced him to make a memoir that would eventually become The Wolf of Wall Street. I like the idea of Tommy Chong sharing a cell with an infamous stock broker going "Cool man, hey, you should make a movie man"
I never understood why they started the show in 76 and went through so quickly. They should really have started the show earlier in 73 or 74 at the latest.
Tbh, Red's switch on Nixon reminds me of a lot of Republicans going from being ashamed of Jan 6th, to just digging in, and becoming even more supportive of the GOP.
TRUUUUUEEE!!!
It’s honestly sad how many people would rather support fascism than admit they were wrong
Yeah, though I hate the Flanderization, it's not unheard of for an oldschool republican to get radicalized to just turn into towing the company line over time
Through i woul iked i red were rathe a rolemodel for being a cranky not great person, he remembers noixon, and do not trust them of something. Which dunno another cospiracy hole, but could he at least have that clearity.
An media is important, so i would rather hav a good exampl of a principles lawed onrvative than one buying al in.
they never learn.
Retrospectives are one of my favourite video essay formats, and this is a top tier example. The structure is perfect, narration soothing, and above all it makes me want to revisit this show. Thank you, keep it up!
I was about the same age as the characters in this show. I graduated from high school in 1977, so it very much resonated. I remember the scene where they decided to tape record themselves while smoking pot, because they were so sure they were making profound observations that they couldn't remember later, only to discover, when they weren't high, that they sounded like idiots.
1:31:23 if that 80s show came out like 10 years later I think it could gone on longer than it did because early 2010s is really where 80s nostalgia started to come out the woodworks
Mane this show is medicine for the soul - it’s timeless because we all lived it in some way. We smoked in the garage instead of the basement but the conversations/family trouble/romances was the same ❤
Fun fact, the two novice writers hired to adapt it for the UK went on to create the highly successful and very dark sitcom "Peep Show" (among others), and one of them is the creator/showrunner of HBO's darkly funny drama "Succession". I'm not sure if That 70s Show had any chance of working over there, but as a project it was a terrible fit for those two.
The British 70s show felt weirdly American because they tried to adapt it too directly when culturally I think Britain and the US were quite different, much more so than today. Even the layout of the house is similar, which is just all wrong for a lower middle class/working class household in Britain. I doubt that was the choice of the writers though.
Love “Peep Show”!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can’t find this online, but I believe you
@@raymondsmith9886 adaptation is called days like these
I love watching retrospectives on shows I’ve never seen (but probably should)
Definitely give this one a try! It's hilarious and the characters are very memorable
My dad grew up in a small town in Wisconsin during the 70s, and he always talks about how extremely accurate this show is. I've only seen a couple reruns here and there, but I need to watch it all the way through at some point.
I always get jazzed when a retrospective drops, but two in a row on shows I've watched? I'm elated. Keep it up, homie
I only ever watched a few episodes here and there when it was on, I really enjoyed this. Your insights into the show itself and stuff around it and care you give to difficult topics is really nice to hear.
Oh man, this show. I was a big fan of it for a while, because when it was good it was really good - the writing was clever, the characters were easy to relate to, and the actors absolutely killed their parts. But it really went downhill at some point. The characters got flat, plot points got repeated multiple times, and the jokes about casual racism and sexism felt less and less intentional until they just started to be casually racist and sexist. So I really don't know how I feel about the show overall. I don't think I'd ever watch the show from beginning to end, but I'd probably still recommend the first few seasons to people who haven't seen it.
Didn't expect José to review my favorite TV sitcom ever today 🔥.
Watching Ashton staring at a picture of Mila Kunis is so cool knowing where they are at now, which is hopefully even better than it seems from the outside
Jackie and Kelso forever ♥
And the good thing, they never dated on the actual show, puh.
I've met them a few times and I've never seen them have any sort of public fights or anything like that
That must have been the coolest shit for the fans like wow
@@raditzhoneyham almost all people I've met a few times have never fought in front of me lol
I grew up with this show. Finding it first as a teenager and then for some subconscious reasons returning to it every time before or after a major change or shifting season in my life. So much is contained within this sitcom. Comfort, care, change, real life. We have a tendency to not treat certain pieces of art or writing as seriously as other, just by the format under which they are presented - such as a sitcom. But I derived as much guidance, knowledge, and comfort from That 70's show as any of what we consider the 'great works of art'. And the show through this fantastic video of your's seemed to have found me yet again directly before another major horizon in my life. Thank you for this retrospective and for treating That 70's show with the seriousness and intricacy that is contained within it and yet often overlooked.
Segwaying from the awful last point on Scientology, I'd love to see a retrospective on King of Queens! It's really interesting to go back and watch. Despite owning a house in Queens, it does an interesting job of portraying a working-class, childless couple. In addition to just being a great show of the talents of Jerry Stiller, Leah Remi, Patton Oswalt, and Kevin James
*segueing. Segway is the scooter thing.
But no, I agree with you.
It was awful, cheap and unfunny.
My favorite moment is when Jackie and Kelso are dancing at the prom, and suddenly everyone around them disappears and it’s just them embracing under the spotlight. That scene has always stuck with me, and brings a tear to my eye.
The show is fueled by the good writing... and when the original creators of the show left, the love and care for the characters and their nuances left too. I read that the new writers only watched the first season of the show in preparation for writing it. No wonder it seems like so many of the characters were revisiting hyper-stereotyped and simplified versions of their original established personalities.
I really loved this show growing up, it was on Nick at Night when I was a child in the 2000s. I def think fans agree there was a lot of unrealized potential in the later seasons- and many act as if season 8 never happened at all (especially as Hyde was a fan favorite and Hyde/Jackie was a main ship ppl enjoyed the progress of). I do wish deeply Fez has more an actual character instead of a stereotype post s1- and Donna actually got to get her own scholarships and move on and out
Just discovered this channel. The amount of hours to put these retrospectives together just for our enjoyment... Salute to you brotha
It always cracks me up how I always thought they were just hanging out when I was younger. The shock when I realized they were stoned 🤣
This kind of content is really your forte. Thank you for these retrospectives. The best of its kind.
Another tv retrospective on a cold Sunday morning? Don’t mind if I do. Still praying for a How I met your mother or Friends retrospective in the future 🙏🏾
Where are you at? It's evening here in Eastern Canada.
just stroke midnight here in Germany ✋
Wild stuff lol
It’s 3pm in the American northwest here
@@mytruecrimelibrary Australia
@@philippeh3904 ah nice love Aussies ❤️ have a great day
22:40 i read somewhere that ashton really hurt his shins when he slammed into the edge of that table. Must have taken a lot for him to keep going with the scene like nothing happened
It sure looks like it hurt
Yep he said that in an interview and said it hurt a shit ton
*PLEEEEASE DO MORE SITCOM RETROSPECTIVES!!!!* I just found your channel and have been binging your videos and man you do such an AMAZING job on these!!! We need more of them!
these sitcom retrospectives are SOOO good!!!
agreed, i love these.
Rip buddy he was cool as hell, too bad America wasn't ready for him
Good
@@omensoffate Here here!
He was cool...why? What a dumb comment.
I'm glad it didn't happen it wouldn't have worked i think. Are you being served is an amazing show from the 70s with a main gay cast member but this was a British show
@@tapoemt3995ur so sensitive damn
I see we are just skipping over Wilmer Valdarrama's "dating history"
yeah that was an odd choice.
Jose maybe couldn't have known about it beforehand. Ashton Kutcher cheating on Demi Moore was also not mentioned
Then he goes on to whine about Danny Masterson :^)
I never binged this show but saw episodes sporadically whenever it was on. It's still so nostalgic.
When I was like 13 I watched the show on Netflix a lot, and I guess back then it never really dawned on me how that show really went down hill in its later seasons.
You forgot to add Ashton's biggest role as "Kevin" on The Office.
I was a teenager as well during the years they portrayed in the show. It was beyond spot on!!