Most guitar dealers won't tell you about the potential of nitro having a chemical reaction with a guitar stand, most of the time it's the rubber or foam that is used to go over the metal parts that your guitar comes in to contact with. If you have a nitro guitar I found that the stands that use cork instead of rubber are the safest bet. There are so many better options nowadays I like oil finish over wood dyed or undyed, there are some thin finishing epoxy resins that are thin and strong that will give you the thin nitro finish look and it won't react with the types foams and rubber that give nitro guitars issues . Over painted finishes a 2k poly is a quick and easy finish, even an decent acrylic based laquer can be polished and buffed out though my personal preference is satin and natral oil finishes. As for guitar prices I'm pretty sure with a budget of 5 to 7 hundred you could pick up something pretty fantastic. My favorite guitars I own are my faith acoustic and my Epiphone SG and my Harley Benton Orange blast tele. When I got my Epiphone SG I had the cash for a Gibson and that's what I was originally going to buy but after Playing both I choose the Epiphone.
For me, owning a relic isn’t about the looks or wear, it’s about how great a broken in guitar feels, sort of like comparing an off-the-shelf baseball glove to one that has years of use, it just feels good
We all have our preferences and opinions, so here's mine. I'm with you on the baseball glove definitely. The difference to me is that you wore in the baseball glove over time. It's earned it. Same to me with the guitar. I don't really have a problem with a guitar showing it's age and use with the wear over the years, but I think this intentinal relicing is ridiculous. That's something you earn, not do intentionally. I hadn't heard it called forgery before, but Danny is spot on. That's exactly what it is.
Well you could actually play the thing and break it in myself. When I got my baseball mitt, it didn’t go pay someone thousands of dollars to use it for me.
At first I wrote you off but the more I watch you have peaked my interest. I will say that having the back of the neck worn feels incredible & like a worn in glove which in turn it’s easier to play up & down the neck. As far as the rest of the aging it’s just personal preference. It’s funny cause back in the day we all wanted are guitar show room quality without a mark & if a mark got on it, it was the end of the world. This is why PRS is known as the guitar you play in your underwear cause it’s so beautiful you do not want to put one mark on it.
it takes a fool to pay more for a distressed instrument ,but people also pay more for jeans that are holes and torn and even has simulated dirt ! the worlds going nuts!
Hey Danny, thanks for the mention man 👍 I love your schtick and I can see this 'talking bad about' as a great regular feature from various different places... the Gibson Garage in Nashville would be a great episode! In the longer run I'm not sure if many other manufacturers apart from Gibson deserve such a roasting (viewer suggestions perhaps?) but you should be able to get quite a few episodes from them I hope? 🤣 Keep it going mate this channel is going to take over! 😎🎸👏 PS. You are so completely wrong about the Eastman headstock so just leave them out of it brother!! 😜🤓✌
but seriously, the one thing that kept me from buying an eastman is that they did the same cut as the old and cheap epiphone headstock.. old meaning thats the way they had it back then, and cheap meaning the cheap epis still have them... it isnt as big a cut, but still it is that design that made me hate gibson corporation..
So I have to admit…I’m getting hooked on these volatile videos against Gibson, but, the rants are pretty much spot on! My question is, what is behind Danny’s anger, that motivates him to make multiple videos on this subject? And…who is affording all these $10,000 guitars? I do know that those buyers don’t even play the instruments. I own a Custom Shop R0 Les Paul first owned by an NFL owners son, who hangs them in his $75,000 bar! Cheers, everyone…
Great rant! Imagine those people who pay for relict'd guitars and ripped jeans: imagine them paying for relict'd food, relict'd lovers, relict'd cars, and go to the dentist to get their teeth relict'd ...
I can understand someone buying a relic'ed guitar to replace another guitar they own that might be too worn out, too expensive now to take out playing on the road or maybe too sentimental if that original was lost. For everyone else, I really don't see the point in having a rough looking guitar. I like mine looking new as much as they can be
Danny, you talk more sense than all the other guitar channels put together. You also describe me very well in this video; I own an Eastman SB59/v, which feels great, plays great and sounds great. However, I know I'm an idiot for spending a few hundred pounds more than was necessary to get my hands on a feels, plays and sounds great guitar. Keep up the good work.
The entire idea of "relic'd" guitars has always baffled me too. That being said, to each there own. It might get a little confusing once these guitars start getting sold and traded as actual vintage in 30+ years.
Relic’d guitars done well are great. A lot of pro musicians like to retire their original instruments…ie. Mike mccready and Bruce Springsteen. They wanted replicas of their guitars. That is one of the main reasons for relics. People want the okayed in feel of older instruments. There are plenty of new immaculate instruments to buy. Why such a fuss over relics? Oswald guitars in the Netherlands makes fantastic relic’d teles and strats that compete with the fender custom shop and they are half the price. At some point I am going to order a slightly relic’d sonic blue over 3 color sunburst with a rosewood neck from him. They Look fabulous and those who have them love them.
It is such a contradiction that old guitars are valued for how good the condition is but new guitars are more valuable in a condition that would make the actually old guitars less valuable. Gibson isn't the only one in this game. Fender custom heavy relics are also in the $8,000 to $10,000 range., and those are bolt ons. If I had a guitar like that 20 years ago and tried to sell it at a pawn shop, they wouldn't even make me an offer. In fact, they wouldn't even want to physically touch it the way some of the Fender heavy relics look.
I'm so glad that I'm not the only one that has the same opinions about what they're doing to these guitars because weather they want to believe it or not you are exactly right it is exactly a forgery of an older guitar and if you want to call putting a wet nitrous cellulose paint job into a freezer or drop the temperature in the areas so that the surface cracks an artist recreation just like the government has done in recent times changing definitions abnormal everyday words to fit their narrative
If you are ever bullied by Gibson, I personally have the first grand toward your legal defense; keep speaking the truth brother. The only beat up guitar I would buy would be a certified used Hendrix played guitar, at an estate sale, for less than fifty bucks. And it would be a Stratocaster, which he preferred over his few Gibsons. So if drag a guitar behind my 2012 Honda Civic, can we call it Honda aged? Sell it for 8 time the cost? Guarantee I can reproduce a Murphy using this method.
I always compare a "Relic" guitar to buying a brand new car. If the car arrived with deliberate damage to the paint and trim would you buy it? A few idiots might, but the slightest mark, and i would reject it, and i have on a few occasions. The same applies to guitars, you want a new guitar that is in mint condition. If you want one with playing marks and wear, then just play it! Go for a satin black one and it will be covered in marks very quickly. As for buying one that a skilled luthier has added fake wear and damage just make no sense to me or Danny i think.
I have a Murphy les paul. I told a guy in my band if he puts a scratch or a dent in it the value will go UP $ 500. - Try and Figure that one out..............!
I have an idea. Go to your favorite guitarist, and then grease your Les Paul full of butter. throw it at the artist while you scream hey catch. Obviously the artist will try but fail to catch it and it will drop to the ground. Capture it on video. Now that guitar is worth a fortune Because it is officially relict by your famous artist. And you have the video to prove it
@@guitarhobbywithdannythemedic I couldn't take the risk of the headstock getting broken- if that happened the value of the guitar would go so high that I could not get anyone to insure it.........
I've played "Relic" guitars. Some actually play like a broken in guitar more than others, most don't. You have to just play it, a lot, for years to get them like that imo. I'd never pay a premium for someone to denigrate a "new" guitar. I would just buy a well used guitar {for less than new} that felt that way because it had been played a lot.
thats exactly my thinking.. no matter how manufactures try to age a product, jeans, shoes or guitars, it can never be like a true worn in item done by time!
Why don't we see this relic junk extended to amplifiers? Why aren't Marshall selling expensive brand new heads and cabinets that look like they were dragged down a gravel road? People today have lost their minds, Danny.
that is a very interesting point! Why is it that only guitars are relicted… I do remember many a concert footages where the oddest actually kicks over the amp as part of performance.
A forgery is an intentional fraud when it’s passed off as real like a painting or a check where’s a replica is quite something else, exists for people who can’t necessarily afford the real thing which there is only one of.
If I want a used guitar, I'll buy a used guitar. I'm not buying a NEW guitar that someone has faked to make it look all "played-on". No amount of relicing can make ANY guitar play better. A good setup, however.... this I would either do myself, or pay a luthier for, if I was not able to do it myself. It makes sense to me to fix the things that need fixing to make it a good, playable instrument that SOUNDS better. Making the aeshetics look...WORSE does not justify MORE money in my mind, but less. If you beat the hell out of my NEW guitar, I'm taking money OFF for every scratch, dent, burn, whatever. You're no artist, Mr. Murphy. You just like tearing shit up, and are dillusional if you think it makes it worth more. Don't believe me? Go set your car on fire, and put a sledgehammer through your windshield....and then try to sell it for MORE than what you paid for it.
take it from someone whos never owned a Gibson and probably never will. Just change the subject. People who are into Gibson will buy Gibson. You are not changing any minds here. You like HB. Cool Buy those. All this Gibson bashing is just pointless and boring, Same could be said for Fender. Fender is not what it used to be, their new products suck quality wise...guess what.....I wont buy em. Period. Move on dude. Life is too short to talk about stuff u dont like. Honestly. Best. H.
there are billions of people who have never heard of gibson and are looking for guitars. they will go to youtube for research.. if people do not speak out, they will only see what the marketing dept wants them to see, and they will get ripped off and the gibson corporate machine gets richer due to customer base ignorance.
Some people just like it man you couldn’t pay me to wear that silly hat yet here you are wearing it. If you don’t like it don’t buy it but done hate people that DO like their guitar to look like that.
😅😅👍👍 you're great, always cheer me up with a rant
My mom bought me a mint used Gibson lp junior and i will "relic" it by playing it myself, thank you....😁😃
Most guitar dealers won't tell you about the potential of nitro having a chemical reaction with a guitar stand, most of the time it's the rubber or foam that is used to go over the metal parts that your guitar comes in to contact with. If you have a nitro guitar I found that the stands that use cork instead of rubber are the safest bet.
There are so many better options nowadays I like oil finish over wood dyed or undyed, there are some thin finishing epoxy resins that are thin and strong that will give you the thin nitro finish look and it won't react with the types foams and rubber that give nitro guitars issues . Over painted finishes a 2k poly is a quick and easy finish, even an decent acrylic based laquer can be polished and buffed out though my personal preference is satin and natral oil finishes.
As for guitar prices I'm pretty sure with a budget of 5 to 7 hundred you could pick up something pretty fantastic. My favorite guitars I own are my faith acoustic and my Epiphone SG and my Harley Benton Orange blast tele. When I got my Epiphone SG I had the cash for a Gibson and that's what I was originally going to buy but after Playing both I choose the Epiphone.
That’s brilliant. I’d never considered to think of them as forgeries. That is spot on. 😂
How true, I could never understand buying a relic guitar, its not like its sounds different than a new one. Love your channel
I use Kiwi black on my boots and Gibson isn't getting a dime from me. Another great video!😆
For me, owning a relic isn’t about the looks or wear, it’s about how great a broken in guitar feels, sort of like comparing an off-the-shelf baseball glove to one that has years of use, it just feels good
interesting aspect! honestly, I have not considered that aspect! Thank you
We all have our preferences and opinions, so here's mine. I'm with you on the baseball glove definitely. The difference to me is that you wore in the baseball glove over time. It's earned it. Same to me with the guitar. I don't really have a problem with a guitar showing it's age and use with the wear over the years, but I think this intentinal relicing is ridiculous. That's something you earn, not do intentionally. I hadn't heard it called forgery before, but Danny is spot on. That's exactly what it is.
Well you could actually play the thing and break it in myself. When I got my baseball mitt, it didn’t go pay someone thousands of dollars to use it for me.
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冇問題，兄弟。
I love how Gibson lives rent free in your head. Thanks for the funny and entertaining videos, keep them coming!
Precisely my sentiments! Keep it up bro.
At first I wrote you off but the more I watch you have peaked my interest. I will say that having the back of the neck worn feels incredible & like a worn in glove which in turn it’s easier to play up & down the neck. As far as the rest of the aging it’s just personal preference. It’s funny cause back in the day we all wanted are guitar show room quality without a mark & if a mark got on it, it was the end of the world. This is why PRS is known as the guitar you play in your underwear cause it’s so beautiful you do not want to put one mark on it.
it takes a fool to pay more for a distressed instrument ,but people also pay more for jeans that are holes and torn and even has simulated dirt ! the worlds going nuts!
Hey Danny, thanks for the mention man 👍 I love your schtick and I can see this 'talking bad about' as a great regular feature from various different places... the Gibson Garage in Nashville would be a great episode! In the longer run I'm not sure if many other manufacturers apart from Gibson deserve such a roasting (viewer suggestions perhaps?) but you should be able to get quite a few episodes from them I hope? 🤣 Keep it going mate this channel is going to take over! 😎🎸👏 PS. You are so completely wrong about the Eastman headstock so just leave them out of it brother!! 😜🤓✌
next episode. talkin bad about.. PRS!
I do one day plan to go to nashville
but seriously, the one thing that kept me from buying an eastman is that they did the same cut as the old and cheap epiphone headstock.. old meaning thats the way they had it back then, and cheap meaning the cheap epis still have them... it isnt as big a cut, but still it is that design that made me hate gibson corporation..
@@guitarhobbywithdannythemedic I don't know... when did you last have eyes tested?? 🤣
@@guitarhobbywithdannythemedic That would be a good one... what is it with those birds?? 😱🤣
This is why I'm s fan of PRS. Old school guitar construction without the relic bs
Again….love your channel bro!!! Cheers!
So I have to admit…I’m getting hooked on these volatile videos against Gibson, but, the rants are pretty much spot on! My question is, what is behind Danny’s anger, that motivates him to make multiple videos on this subject? And…who is affording all these $10,000 guitars? I do know that those buyers don’t even play the instruments. I own a Custom Shop R0 Les Paul first owned by an NFL owners son, who hangs them in his $75,000 bar! Cheers, everyone…
Great rant! Imagine those people who pay for relict'd guitars and ripped jeans: imagine them paying for relict'd food, relict'd lovers, relict'd cars, and go to the dentist to get their teeth relict'd ...
I always equate relics to stolen valor. The original guitar got worn in so much because it played really well. You can’t fake that. My opinion.
What a fantastic video have a great weekend
Enjoy Vegas!
I can understand someone buying a relic'ed guitar to replace another guitar they own that might be too worn out, too expensive now to take out playing on the road or maybe too sentimental if that original was lost. For everyone else, I really don't see the point in having a rough looking guitar. I like mine looking new as much as they can be
Danny, you talk more sense than all the other guitar channels put together. You also describe me very well in this video; I own an Eastman SB59/v, which feels great, plays great and sounds great. However, I know I'm an idiot for spending a few hundred pounds more than was necessary to get my hands on a feels, plays and sounds great guitar. Keep up the good work.
You crack me up too funny .forgery
The entire idea of "relic'd" guitars has always baffled me too.
That being said, to each there own. It might get a little confusing once these guitars start getting sold and traded as actual vintage in 30+ years.
Relic’d guitars done well are great. A lot of pro musicians like to retire their original instruments…ie. Mike mccready and Bruce Springsteen. They wanted replicas of their guitars. That is one of the main reasons for relics. People want the okayed in feel of older instruments. There are plenty of new immaculate instruments to buy. Why such a fuss over relics? Oswald guitars in the Netherlands makes fantastic relic’d teles and strats that compete with the fender custom shop and they are half the price. At some point I am going to order a slightly relic’d sonic blue over 3 color sunburst with a rosewood neck from him. They Look fabulous and those who have them love them.
It is such a contradiction that old guitars are valued for how good the condition is but new guitars are more valuable in a condition that would make the actually old guitars less valuable. Gibson isn't the only one in this game. Fender custom heavy relics are also in the $8,000 to $10,000 range., and those are bolt ons. If I had a guitar like that 20 years ago and tried to sell it at a pawn shop, they wouldn't even make me an offer. In fact, they wouldn't even want to physically touch it the way some of the Fender heavy relics look.
Agree 100%.
I'm so glad that I'm not the only one that has the same opinions about what they're doing to these guitars because weather they want to believe it or not you are exactly right it is exactly a forgery of an older guitar and if you want to call putting a wet nitrous cellulose paint job into a freezer or drop the temperature in the areas so that the surface cracks an artist recreation just like the government has done in recent times changing definitions abnormal everyday words to fit their narrative
Danny I really hope you check out heritage cuz I believe that's where you're going to find all your boxes checked
keep going with this,i hope they wake up over at gibson
If you are ever bullied by Gibson, I personally have the first grand toward your legal defense; keep speaking the truth brother. The only beat up guitar I would buy would be a certified used Hendrix played guitar, at an estate sale, for less than fifty bucks. And it would be a Stratocaster, which he preferred over his few Gibsons. So if drag a guitar behind my 2012 Honda Civic, can we call it Honda aged? Sell it for 8 time the cost? Guarantee I can reproduce a Murphy using this method.
I always compare a "Relic" guitar to buying a brand new car.
If the car arrived with deliberate damage to the paint and trim would you buy it?
A few idiots might, but the slightest mark, and i would reject it, and i have on a few occasions.
The same applies to guitars, you want a new guitar that is in mint condition.
If you want one with playing marks and wear, then just play it!
Go for a satin black one and it will be covered in marks very quickly.
As for buying one that a skilled luthier has added fake wear and damage just make no sense to me
or Danny i think.
I have a Murphy les paul. I told a guy in my band if he puts a scratch or a dent in it the value will go UP $ 500. - Try and Figure that one out..............!
I have an idea. Go to your favorite guitarist, and then grease your Les Paul full of butter. throw it at the artist while you scream hey catch. Obviously the artist will try but fail to catch it and it will drop to the ground. Capture it on video. Now that guitar is worth a fortune Because it is officially relict by your famous artist. And you have the video to prove it
@@guitarhobbywithdannythemedic I couldn't take the risk of the headstock getting broken- if that happened the value of the guitar would go so high that I could not get anyone to insure it.........
I've played "Relic" guitars. Some actually play like a broken in guitar more than others, most don't. You have to just play it, a lot, for years to get them like that imo. I'd never pay a premium for someone to denigrate a "new" guitar. I would just buy a well used guitar {for less than new} that felt that way because it had been played a lot.
thats exactly my thinking.. no matter how manufactures try to age a product, jeans, shoes or guitars, it can never be like a true worn in item done by time!
Murphy is an overpaid VANDAL!!!
The customers are relatively rich and want to look relatively poor. The guitars are B stock and sanded down.
Wait...when something bad happens isn’t that blamed on “Murphy’s Law?”🤔
I'm cheap, so there's that. Also, why not simply invest in a legitimate vintage guitar?
Here's an idea ; why don't we just play the hell out of these guitars and just relic these things naturally.
You are wearing a Rolex. Why not a $100 Seiko? Hmmm...
I love how every video is the same video...lol
Why don't we see this relic junk extended to amplifiers? Why aren't Marshall selling expensive brand new heads and cabinets that look like they were dragged down a gravel road? People today have lost their minds, Danny.
that is a very interesting point! Why is it that only guitars are relicted… I do remember many a concert footages where the oddest actually kicks over the amp as part of performance.
artist
I'm sure at least 1 company did a small batch and they went down lead balloon style.
@@guitarhobbywithdannythemedic The Who
subtitles please🥺
The TH-cam computer will generate subtitles sometime after uploading. If that is not satisfactory let me know and I will try my best
Thanks a lot🥰
A forgery is an intentional fraud when it’s passed off as real like a painting or a check where’s a replica is quite something else, exists for people who can’t necessarily afford the real thing which there is only one of.
If I want a used guitar, I'll buy a used guitar. I'm not buying a NEW guitar that someone has faked to make it look all "played-on". No amount of relicing can make ANY guitar play better. A good setup, however.... this I would either do myself, or pay a luthier for, if I was not able to do it myself. It makes sense to me to fix the things that need fixing to make it a good, playable instrument that SOUNDS better. Making the aeshetics look...WORSE does not justify MORE money in my mind, but less. If you beat the hell out of my NEW guitar, I'm taking money OFF for every scratch, dent, burn, whatever. You're no artist, Mr. Murphy. You just like tearing shit up, and are dillusional if you think it makes it worth more. Don't believe me? Go set your car on fire, and put a sledgehammer through your windshield....and then try to sell it for MORE than what you paid for it.
take it from someone whos never owned a Gibson and probably never will. Just change the subject. People who are into Gibson will buy Gibson. You are not changing any minds here. You like HB. Cool Buy those. All this Gibson bashing is just pointless and boring, Same could be said for Fender. Fender is not what it used to be, their new products suck quality wise...guess what.....I wont buy em. Period. Move on dude. Life is too short to talk about stuff u dont like. Honestly. Best. H.
there are billions of people who have never heard of gibson and are looking for guitars. they will go to youtube for research.. if people do not speak out, they will only see what the marketing dept wants them to see, and they will get ripped off and the gibson corporate machine gets richer due to customer base ignorance.
@@guitarhobbywithdannythemedic billions of people are looking for guitars? ok.
@@hustlinc3540 Ooh, you got him there. Your work here is done.
Some people just like it man you couldn’t pay me to wear that silly hat yet here you are wearing it. If you don’t like it don’t buy it but done hate people that DO like their guitar to look like that.
aye aye aye.. i hate no one! ✌️✌️✌️☮️☮️☮️ if you watch carefully, i just seek to understand…
We don't hate them! We just laugh at them behind their backs! 🙃
you know nothing