Joey from Dawson's Creek is a confusing mess - Seasons 1&2
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- Why is Joey Potter from Dawson's Creek so annoying?
This only applies to seasons 1, 2 and episode 1 of season 3.
I stopped watching after that.
Let me know in the comments if she gets better later on!
So glad someone said this! Joey was never happy no matter the situation, constantly miserable and negative about anything. She moaned when she and Dawson were friends, moaned when he dated Jen, then moaned when he dated her! I can't remember a time she just chose to be happy in early seasons, just whining non stop :p
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@@gabyvergaravazquez Um wouldn't u if u had to go througj what she went through? All these things have a context that explains the behavior for all the characters. So I could not disagree more lol.
@@JB_Kuku same. Joey was overall just a typical teenager, not a cold hearted person like a lot of people seem to believe
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She demanded that Dawson risk their friendship to date her, then proceeded to whine the whole time once he did - just to abandon him as soon as she got a taste of what she wanted, all under the guise of needing to find herself and needing to be single to do so, just to turn around and instantly start dating another guy. No matter what happened, Joey was complaining about it and blaming everyone else. I loved her in Season 1, but I realized pretty quickly how horrible she is by Season 2 lmao
@@hanburgundy4317 she wasn't supposed to be a fully developed character that early in the show
Finally someone realizes Joey potter was the broken one in this series.
Absolutely. Grown to hate Joey Potter by mid 6 season. Started the season 2. What a mess. Never happy, dramatic, tries to turn things and everybody else, smart-mouth at every turn, then turns around and tries to be sweet and cute and woe is me. It's been sickening since season 2. Curious what others were thinking it,
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But even when everything was going right for Joey - even when she was getting her way and everyone was making her the center of attention she demanded to be - she was miserable; and she let everyone know it. I loved Joey in Season 1, but throughout the show I realized over and again that she's not only the worst character in Dawson's Creek: she's the villain. The show stopped focusing on Dawson and it became the Joey show, and no matter what she was NEVER happy; everything had to be some over-the-top, grandiose spectacle of misery for poor little Joey wherein she says one thing then does another - wants one thing, then rejects it once she gets it.
She willingly broke up two life-long best friends. She left Dawson because she "needed to be single", then instantly started dating another guy: twice. She tried to be the smartest in the room at college like she was back home and as soon as she got put in her place she acted so put upon and deeply hurt. The world was always unfair to Joey, according to her, but she always ALWAYS got her way.
The fact that this is the only video I could even find that gives an honest critique of Joey Potter is astounding. She's the absolute worst lmao
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Dawson's just naive. His world view is based on his love of movies, and we see his preconceptions broken time and again throughout the show: he learns and grows out of his childishness, and realizes through loss that the world isn't like the movies he loves. That he isn't the protagonist, and that it's not even his show; he's a side character lol
Yeah, he can be a real whiner at times - but Pacey was a terrible friend to Dawson, too. Pretty much that whole trio were the worst characters. Gran was the best.
Joey spends a lot of time talking about how they analyze everything and she's "tired of it," but most of the time they're literally not analyzing anything. It's more like word salad--Dawson wants to know what's going on, to "figure things out" and she just gets frustrated by him asking about it. She never actually digs into her feelings, she just gets angry and passes off her smartass commentary as "smart deep analysis." Dawson says it's good to analyze, and Joey says "it doesn't get us anywhere." Oh, I wonder why. Maybe because she's not actually interested in having a calm, productive and healthy conversation. She literally does not allow the analysis/conversation to take place. She just storms off in a huff.
and then she comes back to offer some half ass apology
when joey is BLUNT honest to dawson he show he a good friend, when she tell him she slept with pacey and lied about it, he tell her it hurt a little but i understand and still give her the money for college, she she tell him she would have pike pacey, he tell her to go him.
when she tell him she almost slept with her teacher and that not joey like, he laughs and tell her they just need a new definition of joey like.
so if she stop playing games with him, he a great friend.
it when she say stuff like i am undecide, and keep going back to him, just to break up with him, or it easy to hate you becouse i know you always be there for me, or i like knowing there someone out there that loves me,
that were she a bitch.
@@kayahwood3807 yeah, it's laughable how she angrily yells "I said I was sorry! What else can I do!?" . Well for starters, learn how to apologize for real so that the other party feels it, and then take responsibility for your actions. The problem is her being a narcissist so she can't actually be sorry because she truly believes she can't do anything wrong. Instead everyone else is wrong.
I COULD NOT AGREE MORE:)
The show's dialogue has always been high falutin 🤣
I've heard people say that whenever joey and dawson were dating they were toxic to each other but I think it was just joey, she constantly treated dawson like nothing and made herself the victim in every scenario I think both dawson and pacey deserved better than her.
I agree.
Thank you for realizing that Joey is the annoying one. I am struggling to keep watching the series with her contradictions, whining and drama. I've seen people complaining about Dawson (don't get why yet cause I'm on season 4), but it is clear to me that Joey is the messy one. He deserved better. And so did Pacey.
he tells later in season 5 dawson says i know what i want and iv always known what i want even when he dated other girls they always broke up with him he thought logically and it took her 8 years to realize who she wanted and she kept wasting dawson time instead of telling him from the start that she did not want him
Absolutely. Started in season 2. Daughter and I admitted to Mid season 6. We can't stand Joey for so many reasons
I legit only continued watching the show because I liked all the other characters besides joey and dawson. In my opinion the relationship between jen and jack was the best part of the show.
Absolutely:) Jack blossomed. Love him and how he ends up with Deputy Doug. ❤️
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I love you analysis of DC omg, I really hope you would do more! Literally don't know why everyone loves Joey her character is so annyoing ah
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I think Joey becomes a better character later in the show. Joey is portrayed as a jealous, self-centered teenager in season 1 and 2 especially and the writers seem to lean too much on the fact that the girls watching the show will relate to her automatically and feel no need to call her out on her bullshit. However, she gets less jealous and self-centered later in the show so she stops being such an asshole.
@@amyrat151 that's a fair argument, i guess from my perspective i always found her insufferable even in the later seasons
@@epuhoeria I really liked her friendship with Audrey.
I only like her because she’s pretty-
I don't think I ever disliked any other film character more. Joey is selfish, mean and vain to an extreme degree. She doesn't give a fuck about the closest people. She tends to like any guy who's into her just because they like her. She hurt Dawson so many times because she liked to be worshipped, so she broke up with him and got back together for a moment, caused a drama, so he couldn't move on, and she liked that. She dumps one guy and moves to another one in a few days. Season 6 was just hillarious when Eddie left, so she decided to try something with Pacey cause she was bored, and then Eddie came back, so she dumped Pacey! HAHA this was just a perfect summary of how shallow and fake she is.
Oh my God! i'm really glad someone finally said this! Joey it's just incongruity made person. I really think the writers made countless mistakes in the script, but this character... I really got to the point, where It was hard and anoying for me to watch the show just because of her, and it was awful because it gets to the point where she is the center of atention in every way 🤦🏻♀️
@@lucyaguiar9598 exactly! I wonder why they named the show "Dawson's Creek" and not "Joey's Creek" 😂
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Ok, now you gotta do it for the rest of the seasons, because if you think seasons 1 and 2 are bad already, you have no idea. Joey just becomes more and more insufferable and eventually literally the ENTIRE show revolves around her somehow. This show was so completely absurd in the worst way possible.
ITS CALLED A MAIN CHARACTER
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Absolutely. My daughter and I have grown to dislike Joey so much by mid-sixties in here. We're curious How This Ends. All about Joey, smart-mouth, confused, analyzes everything, so terrible in so many ways, then turns around and tries to be cute and makeup excetera excetera.. but I get the feeling Joey Potter's going to get everything she wants, is going to be the queen of the show or something the way it had. And Dawson's just the dreamer that wants the unattainable dream.. which obviously is this awful person Joey has become
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THE SHOW WAS CALLED *DAWSON'S* CREEK!!! lmao He got essentially written out of his own show by Season 3 so Joey could whine more.
It's funny because you think with a name like Dawson's Creek the show would be about Dawson. You don't find out till about, I don't know, the very last episode that the show was about her. Then it all makes sense.
Let's not forget her running out of Dawson's house in tears because he wouldn't tell her how often and when he "took his dog for a walk".
she got so upset over things that had no importance or impact on her whatsoever omfgggg
Lmao that was so cringey omg
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@Joa Nnali ..she got mad at him for jerking off. that’s all I have to say lmao💀 there are a few things that were justified but most of it? jfc give me a break (and I understand half of that trauma very well)
Out of context. She asked him that to try to prove a point. She was arguing that they have gotten too grown to have the same relationship they had as kids, they now have “sexuality” which is awkward to talk so openly specially with someone of the opposite sex. She asked how often he “took his dog for a walk” and when he was embarrassed to answer it proved that she was right and they can’t tell each other everything like kids anymore. She cried because she realized growing up had changed their relationship. But then Dawson decides to tell her at the last second so they both laugh happily. It’s one of my favorite scenes
Joey Potter was the worse. A manipulative hypocrite. I was so glad when Pacey's older sister called her out on her bs ways.
This show almost gave me a mental breakdown. I hate Dawson so much. So much. And pacey peaked in season 2-3. Also I have no idea why the show put jen through so much. If you can manage to finish the show, please talk about it. Hearing someone rant about this is cathartic. Also the dialogue could make me cry. Why do they talk like that omg
pacey suck, he complain about his life but blames everyone else for his mistakes,
everytime joey did not do what he wanted he said it becosue of dawson, dawson was doing his own thing dealiing with his own life.
when dawson date pacey sister he take him fishing, tell them in person, like a man, what does pacey do get bad and then tried to get his sister back with her cheating ex boyfriend.
I loved Pacey because he developed so much as a character throughout the show. I mean, in the beginning, he was presented as a loser, who didn’t know much about life, but i think towards the end of the show, he really matured.
Dawson. Ugh. I just disliked him from the very start. His annoying innocence and how he was so naive - it just made me mad. I literally could go on and on about him, but I can’t be asked 😅
Joey was smart, and likeable, but she sort of reminded me of Rory. Idek how and why because the two characters are so different, as are the shows, but yea. And as someone said in the comments, she complained WAY too much, especially throughout her fluctuating relationship with Dawson. Like bruh - you like a guy, you complain that he doesn’t like you back, then he likes you back and you start to date and you STILL complain. Like what??
Overall, the show was pretty good i’d say, but the characters were annoying a lot of the time 😂 just like any other show tbh.
Why tf are you hating Dawson, Joey was easily worse than him
Pacey was a scumbag! Bro code number 1! You don't go after your best friends exs and certainly not when you know that your best friend considers this person his soul mate. I'd never try and date any of my friends exs it's bros before hos for me. There's to many fish in the sea.
Just when the moment comes for people to realize that JOEY is really the annoying one and not dawson. You have to keep that in mind. Their relationship turned out to be so toxic bc of her 🙄
#StopBlamingDawson
I watched the show back when it aired, I was in middle school and liked Joey cause I identified with her, now I realize she's just a whiny "not like other girls" girl and so was I
Dawson is pretty annoying too. He had a cute girl fawning all over him and all he could manage was a confused look. He is one of the worst beta males on television. And the whole nonsense about "friendship" involving two attractive teenagers sharing a bed was just absurd. "I don't want to be that guy." You are a teenage boy, Dawson, you ARE that guy.
@@Yusheesan ew people actually use "beta" in context? so silly and outdated if you ask me. guys and girls can be friends its not that hard.
@@lesbiangoddess290 Dawson's Creek just explained to the confused how guys and girls cannot be friends. Dawson and Joey were friends before they discovered puberty. After body parts began to grow, they wanted to date, then they broke up, then they attempted to date again. When they were not dating, their relationship was a weird toxic attachment that undermined any other relationship they had. Joey and Pacey were friends too, yet they also dated and at the end ended up together. Dawson and Jen also dated then dated again in college. The only guy with whom any female character managed to have a non-sexual friendship was gay, except Joey during Jack's "straight" phase. So there goes your silly theory about how boys and girls can be "just friends".
Well, season 3-6 adds a bunch of love triangles all involving joey, so in that sense she gets worse.
This analysis just makes it more obvious that joey was never that into Dawson in a romantic way and couldnt deal with the truth so she made up a bunch of excuses to leave their relationship and return to being friends.
I think that the fantasy of being with someone isn't always the reality, sadly. Sometimes we think that someone will change once we're in a relationship with them. Perhaps it proves that friends remain friends. Joey and Pacey really hated each other as friends because there was( apparently, although I never noticed an actual attraction) underlying tension. They were never going to be comfortable as friends because that wasn't what they were. I think you know at the start really and a deep love for someone can get confused with romantic love, perhaps? I dunno really, lol.
I still say that her and Jack were perfect together, lol
Maybe she confused her jealousy ( Jen threatened their FRIENDSHIP) for actual affection. She didn't want anyone else to have him. There was desire there though. The kiss at the end of season one was heated! I guess there's infatuation and there's 'True Love.'
@@reasheb.7429 I just started watching (I’m in the middle of season 2) but ever since she was introduced she made me wanna stop watching the show altogether. She’s selfish , rude and really a bitch (especially towards Jen who was genuinely so nice to her and tried to be her friend , and even tried to get out of the way between her and Dawson ) , but please tell me she gets better as the seasons go on lol 😭😂 I like the other characters ( Dawson and Andie are a little annoying but they’re tolerable ) and I like the show overall , but Joey just makes me want to stop watching and it’s not like she’s just a side character , she’s literally in every episode 😩😭
@@Gnabaj02 Hmmmm....does she get better? That's debatable, lol! Yes, she does soften up somewhat, I think, lol x
I could never watch Dawson's Creek fully because I couldn't stand Joey, and must I say Katie, as well. Her facial expressions are just an unending supply of cringe. I watched the show for Jen and Pacey, who were actually great characters.
Same here. Eventually it in a way became "joeys creek" she annoyed me. Jen and Jack were my favourite
THANK YOU!
I felt the same for a long time. Only recently finished the whole show in one go, and looking at it from my current age and some distance, I finally understand her somewhat. She is a teenager, in 90's US American culture, without parents or at least good, stable role models, indoctrinated to feel awkward about everything she feels and represents, pre-internet and thus without access to less biased information. It makes sense that she believes everything she feels because she has nothing else to compare it with. She's too smart for her own good and can't accept her own irrationality, so she rationalized every nonsensical whimsy and stupid decision. At this point, I can relate to some of this, seeing how growing up like her, having to take responsibility at a way too young age, would make you act like that. And that's also clarified in the later seasons.
Seen as a whole, the way the characters develop does make sense. Doesn't make some of the early stuff less cringeworthy. But so is most stuff I remember from my own youth :)
Idk if Katie Holmes mannerisms make Joey even more annoying or if it's the perfect depiction of such an annoying character
Joey is just a person who bottles up all her feelings, becomes whiny and does stuff erratically. Then she tries to save herself from the horror of taking responsibility by using her own trauma and insecurities as a shield
you have to watch at least season 3, Joey doesn't really get better but the Pacey/Dawson dynamic is interesting
Season 3 should have ended with Pacey and Dawson leaving for the summer. That would have been funny
I hated watching their friendship go down the drain so that Joey can have what she wants. She essentially ruined Dawson's entire social life, and didn't bat an eye.
@@hanburgundy4317 I just finished season 3 and I honestly don’t wanna watch anything else. It was pure pain, and it’s even worse because honestly I hate Pacey and Joey together, it just feels weird. And the fact that their relationship was built on lies and betrayal doesn’t make it better
Excellent analysis.
I like the character of Joey, but very quickly the writers made a caricature of her. The girl angry all the time, always frustrated, incoherent, and who leaves the room at the slightest annoyance. The worst part is that so many people loved this character. As if Joey was a surety for their own contradictions.
I also think Katie Holmes' s questionable acting makes it worse. At the very beginning of the series, she did not have all these facial expressions, it was very good. Then the grimaces came, and it just got worse and worse. As if the directors asked her to always play more "the insecure and aggressive girl next door".
I would have liked to see what Selma Blair would have done with the role. It would have been interesting to see her interact with James.
So glad someone acknowledged this toxic behaviour. Joey was an absolute mess of a character in the early seasons and the way she constantly gaslit Dawson and played games with him was so emotionally abusive. He said it best in season 6 after they finally slept together. He told her she was still a child who hadn't grown up and still had absolutely no idea what she wanted. For some reason she always blamed her indecisiveness on Dawson and the poor guy couldn't do anything right. She was a total mind f**k.
Season 2 Dawson and Joey was one the most cringe things i ever watched but you have to keep watching till the end of s3! The back half of season 3 is so great! Pacey and Joey's love story is probably one if the best done from any teen drama and defo the high point of this show!
all she did was chase after Dawson which made me so mad
@@ay2306 1st time I watched I felt the same infuriation lol. He treat her so bad but she kept being nice to him. Upon rewatch I get it tho. He was Joey's only friend till she was 15 and his family was hers since she didn't have any parents around. He helped when her mother died ect. So I think Joey just felt guilty about leaving him . Tbh she never romantically goes to Dawson after Pacey until Pacey breaks up with her. The only time Joey ever stopped being indecisive and made a decision on her own was when she chose to sail away with Pacey
she does go after dawson before and after pacey.
Ehhh. I actually preferred Pacey with Andy.
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This. I hated when they just abruptly threw away Andie's entire character, just so they could then ALSO throw away both Dawson and Pacey's friendship _and_ Dawson and Joey's friendship - all so that they could then pair Joey and Pacey.
Whenever ppl kissed for the first time on this show, it took them like 60 seconds from looking at each others lips to moving them closer and closer together to finally touching lips.
I promise you that it all seemed so deep and meaningful when we were 17/18... And liked to use big words we didn't understand. Watching it again now, as an adult, is CRINGE.FEST.
It didn't seem deep and meaningful to me when I was a kid watching it. All I kept thinking was how come Dawson and Pacey are so easily manipulated by joey and wishing I was the writer so I could have Dawson and Pacey tell joey bros before hos and get lost.
A teenage girl, who can never make up her mind. I knew about 10 of those back in High School. I sort of had my own Joey, the girl next door who I´d known since we we´re little. We started hanging out more around age 13 and when we finally became a couple 3 years later, we´d been beating around the bush with it for two years (when we kissed for the first time) until we finally opened up about how we really felt about each other. Even after that, it took a good while to transition from friends to being a couple. I absolutely get why it didn´t work for Dawson and Joey, because it isn´t as easy as many people think it is, when the rules in your inter-personal relationship changes.
The reason she, Jen and Pacey worked for me as a characters is in great part because they´re imperfect and make their share of dumb decision´s along the way, like every teenager/young person does. Teens change their minds all the time, one week they have a crush on this person, the next it´s someone else. Compared to most girls I knew, I´d say she´s about par for the course. As far as the "cringe factor", I don´t think they would have come off as realistic, if there hadn´t been an embarrassing moment here and there.
As far as it being a middle aged man that wrote it, well that´s the same as it is with most shows of that or any era preceding it. I´ll take this writing over the forced political correctness that makes most new series unwatchable for me. They´ve become so afraid that some interest group will take offense, that it´s hurt the realism. It´s either that or something like "Euphoria", that´s like one long, gritty PSA to me. DC wasn´t perfect by any means and the very long seasons compared to today´s standards, meant you always had a forgettable episode or two each season. You´re leaving the series just before it becomes really good IMO. Season 3 is to me where they hit their peak and after that it´s a steady decline until the last few episodes, that are almost as good as the best ones from it´s "glory days".
I agree with this 100%.
When the things the kids do don't make sense, I blame it on the fact that they're teenagers. As teens, their actions *should* be confusing and irrational.
Also, I find this show so refreshingly non-PC. I feel the same way you do about PC ruining shows (that's actually one reason I prefer to watch old shows like this).
This video is funny but I also feel bad that this person is so cynical, because the show is actually very entertaining.
I just started the show and u talk about not liking new shows cause of all the Political correctness which is my exact same problem so are their any other shows from this era that you would recommend because I am personally really enjoying Dawson’s creek
@@sebastianpirela7329 As far as YA shows go, one you definitely need to check out is "My So-Called Life", starring Claire Danes and Jared Leto. It´s very much the framework for every good YA series (including Dawson´s Creek) that came after it and was honest in a revolutionary way for it´s time (around 5 years before DC started), especially for a show on network television. The only bad thing about it, is that it only lasted one season, before it´s stars went off to become movie stars in stead. The upside of that, is that there´s pretty much no mediocre episodes to speak of and they´re all of a very high quality.
If you´ve never seen "Degrassi", then it´s time to get started right away! All the episodes are on TH-cam and I can almost guarantee that you´ll fall in love with it right away. I was around ten or eleven in 1988, when the original series started airing here and it was pretty big throughout the early 90´s. "The Next Generation" with a new cast then started up in 2001 and ran for a very long time, until it finished up with "Next Class" on Netflix. Degrassi may not be perfect and was shot on a budget, that was almost laughable compared to many US productions, but once you fall in love with it, you´ll be in love with it forever. There´s just a certain charm to it, that nothing else can replicate.
"Party of Five" is another one, I can recommend and a series, that was huge in the 90´s. It´s about a group of siblings, whose parents have been killed in a car crash, so now they have to survive as a family on their own. It stars Jennifer Love Hewitt and Neve Campbell, among lots of other future stars and deals with most of the classic teen subjects in a very tasteful way, that I wish there was more of today. That most of the main cast went on to movie or further TV fame, won´t come as a surprise to you either, if you watch it, because it´s very good all the way through, as is the writing.
The next one I have to recommend, is "Buffy - the Vampire Slayer", which of course has a huge supernatural element to it, in that our heroine is a super hero, but also tells plenty of great high school stories and does it in an amazingly inventive way. The love stories in it are some of the best in TV history and I can´t recommend it enough. It went for seven seasons and some are better than others, but as a whole they kept a fantastic standard throughout the series. Joss Whedon, who created it and wrote many of the episodes, has since gone on to write many of the Marvel movies, while you might remember Allison Hannigan, who played Willow, from playing Lily on "How I Met Your Mother" or David Boreanaz, who played Angel, from his role as detective Booth on "Bones". After you´ve watched Buffy, you can then watch "Angel", the best spin-off series of all time.
One final one would have be "Roswell", the series that brought Katherine Heigl to fame. It´s again in the supernatural realm, since half of the main cast are aliens, who landed in Roswell, New Mexico (as per the urban legend about it), but where it really works is the love stories in it and how inventive it was in it´s storytelling. It has to be said, that there is some decline from season one to season two (which ended up being the last one), but it´s still worth a watch for how great and exciting that first season was.
What the old WB network did so well (and what the CW do their best to copy to this day) was create series based on characters, that were relatable to a large audience, since they all represented something in all of us. They were diverse, but for the sake of what the story needed, not to force diversity into it. Shock effect was used when needed, but not overdone, like it is today and most of all, they had some damn good writers, who were allowed to tell the stories, they wanted to tell.
I hope, that´s a good enough answer for you.
@@Phrankster163 That was an amazing answer and I thank you for that. I like how u broke down what each was about what made it so good and also talked about the actors which I definitely didn’t expect. I have heard about most of these but have never seen them so they are pretty good recommendations. I will probably start with My So-Called life, then party of five and Degrassi and I will probably end with the supernatural type of shows. Anyways thanks again for such a good answer
@@sebastianpirela7329 You´re very welcome. Happy viewing!
The cringe is a part that I love about this show. Ha ha. Great video, though. Joey is one of those characters that I don't absolutely hate, but she's always bugged me for so many reasons.
The show should have been called Joey’s Creek because it was really all about her, it revolves around her, not Dawson.
You should definitely make more videos! I just watched all of them and they were all so good! Please make more!!!
This is so true. I couldn’t watch it past season 1 all because I strongly disliked Joey. 😬
This is the exact reason why I always hated Dawson Creek. People always think I am prudish for saying this but the dialogue about sex is terrible. Yes teenagers have sex but for a teenager it more of a exploration and experimental thing. 15 year olds tell their teacher "You'll miss the best sex you ever had." First off they are 15, they don't know what they are doing and secondly gross.
Funny there's was all kinds of girls in my high school dating older guys. Before social media and before all this cancel culture people minded their business more and didn't spend time worrying what other people was doing.
She jumps from one guy to another, I can't the amount of characters she kissed in the TV show. The character has problem big one and the writers didn't do well at some parts. I think you made a good choice not watching it again coz I've watched everything and it pains me and it sucks. Gretchen was a blessing to Dawson I wished I saw that again.
This show is the peak of cringe. Joey is always complaining about thing being about Dawson when actually is all about her, for me the worst was when he said he liked her art hobbie and she FREAKED OUT, they reeeeally do have the worst communication in history
I agree with you in all your observations. One thing that made me tired of Joey was the level of attractiveness she gets as the show progresses. I know it will sound shallow but it gets annoying how every guy in the show is utterly in love with her. I do consider that she is pretty as the other characters in the series. I think all the girls here have their own charm. But I can’t see Joey as the goddess the program is trying to convey.
Again I know this is no deep but it was one of the things it bothers me with every new season.
When I was a kid, I felt really bad for Joey. Mom dead, dad in jail..it's not easy.
But now I'm an adult, and I just keep thinking--did no one consider getting this girl therapy?
Anybody would struggle in her position. Particularly a teenager.
But everyone around her was so busy being overly nice to her to try to make her shitty situation okay that no one considered meeting their adult responsibilities and taking real care of her.
That goes for every other character on the show, too. They all went through really serious, difficult, traumatizing life events. They all did the best they could for each other, but they needed real help--not just therapy, but real resources.
I feel like this show is a cautionary tale about the dangers of relying on a small town community to take care of each other and make everything okay. Clearly does not work well.
Funny, this handful episodes I watched back in the day, I liked Joey.. Maybe cuz she's cute and beautiful which is what they played on, what she played or plays on. But as more of an adult now, watch it with my daughters. We can't stand her, can't stand the writing for her. Messed up smart mouth, the plays innocent and poor me when called out. Just one of the many awful things about her character
This show was the start of my insecurities when it comes to guys who say their best friend is a girl.
I didn’t remember Joey being so awful when I watched this show growing up. (Yes, this was out in my late teens- anyway…). But started rewatching this again, 20 some years later, and I can’t stand Joey!!! She is insufferable and wishy washy. So, I came to see if anyone else noticed this- and Thank you!!!!
Please don’t stop making videos!
becosue joey saw dawson with a different girl and did not want to lose him.
what worse is joey stay crazy, she plus dawson in then pushing him awasy, pacey break up with her and she make out with dawson, he like can we have a real relatiionship and she push him away then pull him close. she sleep with him and then stop talking to him.
some time i thing the end no one wants joey she just to much work.
ps the 50 year old write he 50 now but he was like 30 when he wrote and stuff from his real life.
She was a total b!tch to Jen but I loved every minute of DC I can’t lie but this analysis is hilarious and true.
You are spot on about Joey! Please do seasons 3-4!!
Please talk about Lorelai, Gilmore girls 💖
Yes
If only Joey had told Dawson her feelings in the pilot episode for Dawson, whenever he asked if she getting feelings for him, which was, rather than saying, I have seen you DOING BODY FUNCTIONS that are perfectly natural for humans do, so I don't think I can be falling in love you. Joey had her chance before Jen came along, and she said everything was so complicated, no it wasn't Joey, you were too scared to ask Dawson if he wanted something more than Friendship but he does move on with his life and develops feelings for a girl Jen, she's so mean, but in actual fact if Jen was never in the Picture, Joey never would have told Dawson, she loved him... If only Joey was a tad bit braver and asked him before Jen came into town, but she acted like she owned Dawson.
Joey is the worst protaganist ever
This is such an underrated channel! Keep up the uploads! I love these videos 🙌♥️
I haven't watched this video yet but I would still like to request that you continue to analyze her in later seasons because sitting through her storyline should be a shared pain XP
I'm loving your takedowns of the shows I grew up with. I've had these argument with uberfans constantly, but never with so much burn!
I liked seasons 5 and 6 most. :) But I`m not sure how I will think about them, after watching your analysis. ^^ I Likeed the charakter development of Jen. Audrey (Joeys roommate in college - season 5-6) is also an interesting charakter.
Too many facts in this video. Didn't like Joey or Pacey. Will never get the appeal of either character.
I hated joey always playing head games with Dawson then having a fling with Dawson's best friend! I always wanted Pacey and Dawson to join forces and tell Joe to get lost!! I hate joey Potter
They changed writers in season 3 and it gets good
It does not, Joey is worse than ever🤢
I thought it went completely down hill. They turned pacey into a scumbag and Joey plays more head games then ever.
The ratings for the show started declining from series 3 so some viewers would disagree with this comment.
This video has made my day thank you !
this might be so weird, but i love your voice lol... wish you could make more videos 🤧
I hate Joey's character and hence don't know purpose of her character.
Halfway through six season. My daughter and I have grown to very much disliked Joey since season 2.
Huge cheers for this video. Makes me feel better than others Havre do feel the same way. Curious if my feelings will change by the end of the season 6. But we are so disgusted with her by now, there may be no redeeming factor for Joey for us
I stopped watching the series in Season 2. Can't stand Joey and how I heard they created the romance between Pacey n Joey in Season 3. I just feel sad for Dawson. This guy is a good guy for Joey in season 1&2, and how I wish I had a boyfriend like him. He's a victim and not Joey. Always #TeamDawson ❤
Make one on OC, you have time with Corona.
Used to be a fan of DC (alongside other WB teen shows). I think the moment you start to question the stories, the characters, their behaviour and the morals of a show, you're starting to lose a show. It's okay to think about what you are watching, but in-depth analyses are not good. Because you are watching fictional shows that pretend to be grounded in our reality, but they are far from realistic. They are made for entertainement. While you are sitting on the couch watching actors acting out "exciting" stories, you are not moving on in your life. You are simply watching other people making money, being creative, while wasting your time (I have nothing against some entertainment from time to time). Though you would say you love Dawson or Jen or whoever, you wouldn't want to be friend with them.
TV shows in general pretend to be deep and complex, in fact they are recycling the same tropes and story building blocks again and again. It wouldn't work any other way. Not all shows are necessarily bad, even a DC isn't the worst show ever, I just would like it a lot less than I used to like it (minus the last two seasons when the show lost what it was all about) but they are not what they used to be. Also characters have to be two-dimensional to behave a certain way over and over again. Things have to be predictable like in sitcoms. You can't make a main character move to another city or do something crazy. One seasons A loves B, then they split up, then B loves C, then that doesn't work and in the end, A and B finally fall in love.
For me a turning point was, when I started to be more around real people in the real world, while questioning what I was watching at the same time. Many viewers simply trust media creators with their lives, without daring to critisize what they are watching, because Kevin Williamson or Amy Sherman-Palladino are just geniuses. You can see what being a big fan of something does to a person's brain. Sorry for not talking to much about Dawson's Creek itself. You probably get my point.
P.S.: It's funny how I read several times how Gilmore Girls fans finally realise how awful Lorelai is or how privileged Rory was. I myself didn't care about that. I just watched the show for laughs, drama and entertainment. When I started to question the morals of the girls and their behaviour, the show started to fall apart. Also viewers's age has something to with that. Teen shows are made for young people with little experience. It's easy to impress children, teenagers or young adults. Of course those like Lorelai and Rory more than the old mean Emily Gilmore.
This was epic! Thoroughly enjoyed it
I just found your channel and I really hope you make more videos:)
Oh it gets so much better and worse in that season when Pacey enters the fold as the new love interest. Again she needs to "find herself."
You should make a video about pacey being abused by that teacher and the show treating it like a normal relationship
the only good character in this show is jen
and pacey, he was one of my faves
I really liked jack
I think the secret star of of the show was Grams
Really? Remember when she literally threw herself on Dawson endless times while he was with Joey, trying to seduce him just to satisfy her ego
Oh! And season 2 episode 5- around 25 mins in- Joey is smoking! During her talk with Jen on the porch. They never showed her with a cigarette again- but I kinda liked that for her.
It was three months later between Season 2 and Season 3. Dawson had been away in Philadelphia the whole summer. Joey had time to get over the dad thing and to miss Dawson. Kevin Williamson (the S1 and S2 writer) didn't return for S3. He said he was bawling crying watching S3 when it first started because the show was different (mainly because they added that weird "Eve" character).
At least they sacked the new showrunner 8 episodes in and after that season 3 gets really good (IMO it's my fave season)
@@joeypotter6051 It's my favorite, too.
it should have been dawson and niki the princeable daughter, think about it a girl that make moves, better then his, has other interests, a black girl so he see some racism, her dad the head of the school, so now dawson is the bad kid or at least being watch, then have her heal dawson they date, they break up becouse her dad get fired, then dawson fall back in love wiht joey, kiss her BUT she dating pacey at that time in secret,
that would have been so much better.
You are HILARIOUS! I laughed so hard at this video. It's so interesting to get the point of view of someone criticizing Joey. I think Joey matures a massive amount over the next few seasons. She's literally her worst self around Dawson. But yeah, she's a confusing mess. You HAVE to watch Season 3! It's the best season! Joey is, by contrast, her best self with Pacey and the whole show really picks up steam after this. Please do an analysis of later seasons :)
nope she less mature after dawson she dateing a teacher, go after jen cheaing EX just to hurt her, throw a fit that dawson sleep with jen, sleep with dawson to break up with him before giving it a chance, date pacey to break up with him for eddi and then break up with eddi,
she again stop being dawson freind for stupid reason.
she really less mature.
dawson and jen break up they still stay great freinds.
@@az21bob666 Oof. It's been a while since I've seen season 5 (on season 4 right now), but did Joey really get together with Dawson to cheat on Jen? I don't remember that being a part of the equation. Yeah her relationship with Eddie was so dumb and she was being kind of selfish about that with Pacey. Really though, I think she's just neurotic and trying to please everyone in those later seasons. She knows she wants to be with Pacey but she keeps running from it and making up excuses. I think a lot of us can sympathize with that kind of behavior. But yeah, I wish Joey and Dawson could have had the kind of maturity that Jen and Dawson had after their breakup.
Jen had a boyfriend. The boy friend cheated on Jen. Jory dated that boyfriends. I thing she did it the hurt Jen for sleeping with Dawson
And the way the show was written she wanted to be with Dawson. Not pacey. But they did the will they won’t they to long.
All of 6 season should have been Dawson and Jory together. And then have them break up over Dawson la job.
Ps if you really watch the show Dawson never tired to control her. Never. He let her do what ever she wanted.
Truth is pacey tried to control her far more then Dawson ever did. He the one that would throw fit or use Dawson to hurt Joey.
Out side of her father witch put her in danger Dawson never once told her to do anything.
jory got with jen EX who cheated on jen, i thing she did that to hurt jen becouse jen slept with dawson.
and dawson when him and jen grachen and natisha break up it all mature, only joey there a problem becosue joey is the problem not dawson.
ps the story was written were she was running from dawson not pacey. but they did the will they wont they for far to long. they should have given dawson and joey a year in season 5 and then break them up with dawson dad death and a job offer in LA.
Joey was cringey in the first two seasons yes but that doesn't change the fact that Dawson is a narcissist
Hey, is another video coming some time?
Cringe show. The worst part is the Dawson/Joey relationship where they can't be together, push each other towards other people, but they don't want each other to be with anyone else. When Dawson's dad died, this should have been the defining moment of the Joey/Dawson romance. Instead, Dawson ran off with Jen and Joey was happy she didn't need to be there for Dawson. Yet, some people find this true love. This was one of the most toxic and dysfunctional relationships in the entire show.
This is a show written for teens, played by actors in their 20's (who should be teenagers) with dialogue written by cork sniffing bitter 30yo people reflecting back at their jaded youth. What could possible go wrong?
All I'm thinking while watching this show is how unrealistic, rehearsed and forced the dialogue sounds. Witty? No... they are teenagers, and most teenagers don't talk like that. They should do stupid stuff, learn from it and THEN only AFTER the facts of their dumb behavior should start analyzing/reflecting. This show is CLEARLY written from the writers high horse sitting POV.
And no, there is NOTHING likable about Joey's character. They wrote her without any joy in her heart. Ffs let her pet a puppy or something... Instead of balancing her character out a little we always get her PMS-ing on cocaine.
Positive things in this show are the locations and settings. These have a pleasant vibe to it. Especially during sunset or sunrise. And the actors did their best with what they had to deliver.
IMO!
*Once again, excellent video!*
11:53 I could feel the tears coming because of how bad that line was
They should have written a therapist into the scenes so Joey could work out her emotions and traumas from her father in prison and the death of her mother.
i thought what joey said about being thankful u at least have a mom really put it into perspective tho
i could NOT stand her
Why can't people just enjoy the show?
Because this show became impossible to enjoy...
Joey wanted to be with dawson. Dawson chooses to br with. Joey doesn't want to be with dawson anymore. Dawson tries to understand. Joey change her mind. Dawson accept easily. Joey kiss another. Dawson gets upset while joey says it's his fault and all that is about her. Dawson tries to work it out, but joey says he's more important to her than anything and this is the reason she is dumping him. Dawson tries deal with his pain, but there she comes arguing he was dealing with it fine. Joey start dating the she kissed but discovered he was gay, so she gets back to dawnson. Dawson discovers her father almost gets them killed but joey can forget her father but him who save them and protect her.
That's was enough for me.
lol their communication is horrible throughout the entire series. it is fustrating
Oh it gets worse they then have her and Pacey fall in love which is the only time she is not completely annoying through the whole show just to break them up again because of dawson after he spends the whole 3rd season trying to keep them apart and joey let's him! Like what the hell why you letting a guy control you to then spend season 4 with pacey who she was with longer than anyone on the show to then turn around and treat him badly because she was still letting dawson get to her lying and saying she didn't lose her virginity to pacey telling pacey she will never love him like dawson making him feel like the lesser man even tho he was better than dawson in every way and Pacey breaks up with her for it which she deserves then for her to kiss dawson literally like 3 episodes after it was so stupid then season 5 was crap cause they basically pretended her and pacey didn't date and they tried to make dawson and joey a thing even tho everyone hated them and knew they never shut the hell up and do not belong together then they have sex in season 6 while he has a girlfriend wtf! So yeah they don't stay together then the writers were like ok we will separate them for the whole season trying to put her with Eddie who was just a complete mistake to finally put her and Pacey back together and then break them up cause of course joey is stupid and runs back to a guy who clearly was not right for her to then her and dawson in the last few episodes have to talk again boring and Pacey and dawson fighting over her and then we see the finale episode which is my favorite episode because the writers even had to point out how stupid she was through the whole show and how she was always contradicting herself and she gets to be with pacey the only man who she actually wasn't completely annoying with because he never just sat there and talked he was about action and taking risk which she clearly needed and they ended up together and stupid dawson ended up alone but joey didn't really deserve pacey but pacey deserved to be happy so I liked the ending but yeah no she is annoying and judgmental and was so rude to Jen and pacey who were such broken people who made some bad choices but hey so did dawson and joey this video proves that very well I loved it and the extra parts talking we so funny
I agree with most of this other than she never told Pacey she’d never love him like she loved Dawson. That was never said. The reason they broke up was stupid but not actually because of Joey this time. He got extremely insecure and lashed out on her because of it. She constantly tried to tell him Dawson had nothing to do with their relationship but he kept comparing himself and continued to feel badly about himself especially because she was going to college and he was not.
I actually think Joey was a great girlfriend to Pacey. She clearly loved Pacey way more than Dawson and always gave him reassurance. There's so many examples when she tells Pacey that Dawson is her past and Pacey is here future. It's not her fault Pacey has insecurities from when he was a kid. Pacey's family have always said he's a loser and Dawson was better than him but..... Joey chose Pacey! Some quotes I remember: ' Dawson knows my past, my future lies with you' , 'us, we grew up together, when I'm with Dawson I'm 15 again, in his bedroom having the same argument again and again' , when she got drunk and was worried all episode because she wanted to go to college but also wanted to stay in cape side with Pacey. Then he tells her he's gonna go to where ever she is and shes super happy again. There's loads more examples but yeah. The only thing that bothered me was her lie about her virginity but I understood why she did it. That episode was the 1st time her friendship with Dawson was back to normal after like a year and she didn't want to lose it again. As Dawson had already told her 'I'm the only one it could potentially kill' - talking about whether they had sex on the boat. Also I forget about s5, the writers had no clue what to do with the characters.
I loved this show so much back than! I am not sure why ^^ I can`t argue with your analysis. Cringe at its best.
Thats cool! Its not for everybody! I thought I would hate it but actually loved it. But you stopped before ssn 3, which is widely seen as the best ssn. And first half of ssn 4. I do agree that Joey is annoying at times but they all have moments. DC was extremely popular! It was the #1 teen drama during its run in America. It aired in many other contries also. It only ended because the actors decided to move onto movies while on top. They didn't want to run 10 yrs like BH 90210 or Friends. If I really wanted to I can pick apart every iconic teen show. All of them are just recycled & rebranded for newer generations but they are huge business so they will always be around! That includes Stranger Things & Wednesday! I like those also & could pick them apart for similar reasons but I understand that they are what they are for their time & the masses love them just like they did Dawsons Creek!
Joey is so annoying!. So in season 2 joey and jack were a thing. Then Dawson is pretty annoyed. Then Dawson and that movie girl he used in 2x13. Then joey got annoyed. When she was the one that *dated a gay guy* first. Jesus!
I'd like a video about narcissistic pacey and how he gets away with all the sh1t he does
4:45 Was that Shia Labouf out of nowhere?
I loved her
Joey made most everything more complicated then it needed to be and yeah so did Dawson sometimes. Joey brought out the worst in most every character. I honestly think this show would of been better without them even trying to get together.
An annoying character and also annoying in real life, seriously she is only somewhat remembered for this show and marrying Tom Cruise. Which I think was a premeditated move to keep her in the A-list circle 😂😂😂 No one credits her for her flop movies or actual acting ability which is basically different variations of Joey 😂
How is katie annoying?
this is why Pacey is the best
Joey and pacey were so much better. The reason why I rewatch the show
PREACH
Bro somebody gotta explain the ending to me what the hell I hated it it didn't make no sense
Jen died.
@@Mysterious_Butterfly98 I know it was so dumb there was no reason to kill her character
@@maxeffortliftz1086 Yeah...They made is seem like Grams was going to die then threw us a curveball. I think they just wanted a way to make Jack's ending happy and he got to do something huge for Jen.
Joey's a drip
This is brilliant. I need moar.
This is great 🤣
Haha. I went to the finale wrap party.;)
[season 5 spoiler]
Ok but like when she beat that one guy up from college because he was a creep- that was amazing- kickboxing class did pay off
Your commentary 😂😂😂
Season 3 + is the best because of Pacey, Joey becomes a little less her (in the before episodes) I guess lol.
Also, I think the reason Joey was so moody and weird with Dawson is because she has serious trust issues. Her mom died and her father was constantly letting the family down. She didn't really have anyone to turn to except Dawson, and when they started dating it just made communication more difficult. Dawson is also really self-absorbed and has a lot of difficulty understanding other people's problems.
but dawson spend a lot of time help other with there problems, it just if he complain about his people go your life is easy, even when his life fall apart they still do that.
i mean when dawson said my mom cheated my family breaking about, joey like well you still have a mom. (bitch) when brook died and gracthen break up with him, no one seem to care but when pacey break up with joey dawson spend a mouth helping her feel better.
@@az21bob666 I totally agree that Dawson had every right to be upset about his parents and that Joey just made it about her. I think she sees Dawson's life as 'perfect' and has trouble understanding that his family can have real problems too. However, Dawson has a repeated history of trying to control Joey. Most of the time (especially in earlier seasons) when he is comforting her or reaching out to her, he has an ulterior motive. Usually he tries to guilt her into feeling a certain way about him because they are 'soulmates'. But you bring up some good points
By the end of the show you could argue Dawson might have had a history of trying to control her but at this point he didn't. If anything she was trying to control him. Yet remember this is season 1 and 2. Everything we know about their relationship has yet to have happened.
Ouch.
They were teens, what do you expect
Yeah teens do whatever they want without any sense. If it's so then why are we watching some senseless sh1t
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