"The Closest 8-4 Will Ever Be to Perfect"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2021
- Here we respond to Summoning Salt's video "Super Mario Bros: The Human Limit." This is an informative look into the backstory of infamous 2013 8-4 Speedrun world record. Join me on a journey of understanding as we gaze into the past.
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Wow I can't believe this very real drama. Kosmic seems very *salty* haha! He seems very truly upset. Real!
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Real!
Cool
Your on other side of the world
haha looks like I summoned some salt hahahahahahahahahahaha
Yee
Epic
fitting
summoning salt in real life
Hide yourself bro, cosmic is mad
I still haven't seen 8-4 be played better. I also haven't opened my eyes in 7 and a half years but that doesn't matter
even if you kept them open for 3 years after this you still wouldn't have seen one better 😎
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Check out Lekukie's 8-4 IL WR. That 44.260 8-4 IL puts the SoB (in my terms, son of a bitch) at 4:54.299, which is 2 FRAMES FROM PERFECTION (4:54.265)
@@CrimsonDevil_Rias youre so cringey
yea but thats only because ure a toaster
Now all that we need is a Summoning Salt analysis of this video.
I'm thrilled to see a 1hour long video about this xd
Summoning salt's videos are fun to watch It's not boring so if it's even 5 hours long I'll still watch it😂
I can hear the synth chords already...
Infinite content
A Bismuth one would be better.
It seriously is crazy how much misconceptions there have been even as recent as 2019. The whole time while taven was doing tas 8-2 attempts for the first time, legit no one (including taven) knew how it worked, and I remember taven coming up with crazy ideas on how he thought the bbg worked that were just wrong. I have been trying to fix that though, It has been my mission to rid of all Smb1 misinformation and misconceptions, and bring tas knowledge to RTA community to make everyone understand Smb1
KRILLER IS THE BIGGEST REASON THE GAME WENT FROM 4:55.6 to 4:54!
Doing god's work 👍
Now we just need an lightning 4-2 savior.
Thanks kriller you've been a great help to the smb community we really appreciate you're help.
Just out of curiosity, is this just a passion project for the TAS community? What's the motivation? I mean, the speedrunners get all the glory and twitch streamers. It's a lot like linemen in football. The quarterback gets the girls and fame, but what they do would be impossible without a good O-line.
I’m just waiting for the Diss Tracks to be introduced into this very real drama
"Ice Kosmic - No Fast Acceline"
@@Oakshield2 I was gonna try a joke like that, but yours is better lol
Summoning Salt might need to add this to his Punch-out coverage because IN THIS VIDEO THE GLOVES ARE OFF.
The Closest a Kosmic Video Will Ever Be To Perfect
Missed it by one frame...
@@Robert_McGarry_Poems he finished the video 1 frame early
How could Mr. Salt make these claims, truly blasphemous.
Well there're call mr.salt after all
it’s like there’s no work or effort put into any of his videos!
Very interesting video. Yeah a lot has changed over the years, and much due to community efforts and very talented individuals. Back in 2008 to 2012 when I was making TASes, it was a even more different time, and people's understanding of this game has been improved a lot since.
idk but i think u can save frames by clipping in the ground into the 8-4 water pipe thing since i think mario is faster when he clips in the ground and doesnt touch the block under him in a water lvl it seems faster, does it work? :] if it doesnt then what a shame, welp i tried
And now here another hero of the speedrun community.
will u answer?
Yeah that's why it's so impressive not a single frame has been saved in over a decade
Out of curiosity, what is your current age?
coming from the summoning salt vid to see kosmic uploaded a response, nice
This popped up when I was at that specific point in summoning salt’s video 😂 my mind exploded
NGL you got me at "I am the 8-4 history"
Ngl, he got me at "I can count"
He didn't say "I am the 4 history"
this has the same energy of "I am the senate"
"I REMAIN, as a performance artist."
I like how you're meme acting pissed. Its legit got me laughing lmao
Gonna be honest, it took me a bit to realize that he was just messing around and wanted an excuse to talk about 8-4. Like, a solid half the video.
I am not great at detecting sarcasm.
im so glad i found your channel - its been the highlight of my year!
And now the perfect 8-4 HAS been achieved.
finally right
Great video Kosmic - super cool to hear about this stuff and see how far things have come. :-)
Love this video, Kos. Super informative and funny, too! It's remarkable how far speedrunning has come, not just with times, but with tools!
This Summoningsalt guy sounds like he knows some amount about speedrunning, he should try and speedrun a game himself.
This is joking, right? He is a MTPO speedrunner.
He holds the Tyson WR in MTPO... but yeah I think he's joking
Hey, are you joking, with this very obvious and well known joke? I can't tell.
I think it’s a joke y’all (at least I hope it is)
I wonder if this random person didn't intend for this to be comedic, but it probably maybe hopefully was!
Hi Kosmic. While it was an interesting video, I really think that this sort of egregious defamation case is better to handle in the courts. By showing this video, you give summoning salts team of lawyers an opportunity to better prepare their defense, so I think it would be best to delist this video and give us an update after the court case is finished and salt is hopefully behind bars.
This "summoning salt" guy is a real character huh... Hope he is brought to justice soon for these egregious accusation he has made , and telling lies! !
#SummoningSlander
I saw Salt's video yesterday and it's kinda neat seeing some sort of follow up
I really want to express how much this kind of first-hand perspective is apreciated. Just anything past an entry on a spreadsheet and a 1 minute VoD of events happening 7.5 years ago shouldn't be taken for granted. So, thanks for sharing all these additional context with all of us who weren't there to see it happen.
I always wondered when someone would make a practice rom for this game that allowed you to upload a ghost that could be replayed for each screen you're currently on and would just repeat. Same concept as racing games. I always thought it would be super helpful for those of us learning the game. That could probably only be made for PC though. Even a practice rom that showed precise locations to do full jumps with arrows and text would be awesome. Put a path line where mario should be that one could follow so we could see exactly when to execute jumps. Then get rid of the line and leave red dots in the jump/landing locations then be able to turn the brightness of them down until you can do the level without any help at all.
I still feel as if I have been misled and will be expecting an apology video
GREAT breakdown, Kosmic.
I have to reflect a bit, though. I remember when I first bought my NES with my own money--as a kid. I saved the HELL out of my 'chore and errand' money. Had the SMB + DH combo and everything...
It's *SO* weird to see all of this SOOOOoooo many decades later. SO WEIRD. Surreal, really, but also super interesting in a very odd, unexplainable way. In other words, I have *NO* idea why I like seeing SMB speedruns (or Doom, HL, Unreal or otherwise for that matter), but... IDK. There's just something going on with it. Like an internal clock (hey, the 'BUS', hahahah).
Anyhow. Enough of that.
This is the most fired up I've ever seen Kosmic and it's like seeing your favorite grandma suddenly raise her voice.
We need back our Video Comments. First Rob Scallon on Rolling in NES Tetris, now Kosmic and Salt having a frame debate! THIS IS A CALL OUT, TH-cam!
the amount of work you and the other runners have put into this game blows my mind
This is very interesting, you should make more videos on SMB history or stuff like that
Summoning Salt has truly been summoning salt. Well done, good man.
I really love these going in depth videos
I agree, fellow Sander B
@@sanderbos4243 lmao
@@viewera I am going to take a random guess and say that the "van" in your name also suggests you're a Dutch person like me?
@@sanderbos4243 the name sander is a dutch name, so ik you're dutch too
@@viewera Also Northern Belgian and 34th most popular name in Estonia according to Wikipedia
I have been waiting for this 🙂 (I saw the video in question recently)
I love speedrunning history stuff like this. Great video.
I still feel like I get judged harder in 8-1 if I don't hold A after the star block, tbh..... For real though, it's wild how much has changed even since I first started watching in 2018. Thank you, Wes, Andrew, Darb, and all the others who did the impossible. You all have contributed a lot more to Super Mario Bros. speedrunning than just times on the leaderboards.
Video : Argues about perfect 8-4
Me : Happy to just barely beat SMB1 after dying 84 million times, most of it in 8-4
I've been watching a *lot* of twitch recently. You included. And one of the most surreal and new feelings to me is going "wait, did I watch this live or is this my first time seeing this"
LeKukie and Niftski: are you sure about that?
Listen, SOMEONE needs to make one of these claims about the game they speedrun. Salt needs one for every video, so yhe viewer can check the time remaining on the video and go "here we go"
Very informative video on how works smb1. Thx!
The only inevitabilities in life are death, taxes, and 8-4 being 2 frames away from perfect.
Love your videos and streams!
LeKukie : Are you sure about that?
Hahah I'm not REALLY mad guys haha I'm just ironically so mad that I uploaded this haha
I loved the starfox adventure song in the background
Did someone summon some salt in Kosmic?
That joke is the closest to perfect of all comments on this video!
Very interesting learning about this!
12:19 That practice rom reminds me of an idea I had for FPS games, but for the lower end of the skill range (like me) who can't aim, where it would take where an aimbot would have shot, and then shows you how far off you were from where that would have shot. I brought this up somewhere and got a response that said that just watching demos of themself already worked well enough. Even with the information encoded in such an odd fashion, how many orders of magnitude more helpful is it to know instantaneously what you did wrong on almost every single jump versus having to wait until after the entire game to see how you messed up?
I might be missing something but I don't see what that would accomplish. An aim bot would always be aiming perfectly, so wouldn't it just be showing you the target? The only difference would be recoil/travel time, but you can visually see how you missed in most cases anyhow. For most people the difficulty is reaction time/aiming where you intend to aim, rather than aiming in the right spot.
@@Kyrieru It'd be a line from your cursor that shows where the target was on your screen when you shot. I suppose this sort of thing might only be helpful in games more like TF2 (I was about to specify which one, but then I realized that both probably work, but I was originally thinking Team Fortress 2.) than say, COD.
Hello Kosmic :D
Love your videos and I exhumed my SM1 original cartid for NES to play with my kids!
Speedrunners growing hehe
This video clears up a lot Kosmic. It also links to when people say 'Haha, Bismuth said 4:54 is impossible'
1: No, he didn't say that. His exact quote was 'It's very safe to assume that the way things are right now, 4:54 is humanly impossible'
2: And yeah it was safe to assume that seeming as the sum of best was still a 4:55
Yeah, but what really gets me is that Bismuth thought Lightning 4-2 was the easier one compared to TAS 8-2.
@@want-diversecontent3887 again, look at the discovered set ups at the time
honestly, i saw this more as a "look how far we have come" type video
Salts, or mine? Both I guess. They both exist to be historically informative (and entertaining)
@@Kosmicd12 both ya but i was referring to your video
Because of Kosmic, I know alot about Mario Bros I would never ever have learned. A joy to watch this guy.
The Summoningsalt summoning salt jokes are hilarious! xD
Kosmic and Summoning Salt are two absolute legends whose craft and influence has helped push the game to its limits. Thank you to you both.
Information evolves: it's like the world was flat once.
Love both of you guys!!
I love how this was made 4 hours ago but look at the popularity
This video is so tongue-in-cheek, *my* jaw hurts, lol
darbian explains the Kosmic - Summoning Salt beef: "Now, imagine a fuss..."
Does Darbian get royalties, every time someone mentions the bus analogy?
This is just Epic :D Can you make a video only on all the old smb knowledge and belief please :)
I enjoyed the in depth explanations and context. Great supplement to SS’s video.
Now we just need every other person mentioned in the video to do the same. No pressure, guys, but you’re on the clock.
9:47 that was also before Summoning Salt videos showed the history of people claiming that their times would never be broken before they were broken
I have seen both videos and honestly, I did not get anything but respect for you in his video
you are amazing and one of the main reasons I know about awesome things you have done is Summoning Salt channel
So keep on the good work and don't get bothered by the negativity in the comments, I know that you and your community of amazing runners can squeeze more magic out of this game
Yeah it's all just tongue and cheek, i just made this to be informative
This video was so very entertaining and informative :)
Current 8-4 IL WR: 44.260 by Lekukie
Fast accel in first room
Fast accel and perfect walljump in second room
Triple fast accel in third room
Perfect water section
Fast accel and good Bowser pattern in final room
I don't think you really needed an explanation towards defending your 2013 video. I'm not very well versed in Mario speedrunning and even I could tell that there was a lack of knowledge/tools back then, let alone 7 years worth of time for practice since then that would allow for better runs.
But it is good to learn about these nuances, like the landing underwater while holding no direction maintains momentum.
Thanks for the video!
Where can i download the practice rom for smb1? {For emulator}
Can you make a video how to make good use of the practice rom?
"2013: 18-yr-old Kosmic's brain..."
Damn, I feel so old now.
Glad you still played classic Nintendo games, though. And I'm loving the Starfox Adventures music choices.
Holy fuck I'm older than Kosmic?
"You talk about your limits, you talk about your fastest times...Kosmic 3:16 says I just framed your ass!"
If this video has proven anything, there is still more to learn about this game when it comes to the technical stuff, like the framerules, losing frames, etc...
If only TH-cam response videos still existed Id give this five stars!
This is the youtube crossover I've been waiting my whole life for. A speedrunning legend meets the legendary speedrunning archivist. Kosmic 316 says I just trolled your A$$.
Hey I thought of a way to explain "game seconds". Here it is:
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Imagine a bus...
Also summoning salt's video is outdated by someone getting the double fast accel at the beginning of 8-4 anyways, like hours after he uploaded
As is tradition.
Was the someone niftski?
@@Larszard no actually. It hasn't yet been done in a full 8-4 run, just shown to be humanly possible. th-cam.com/video/BGA7lHSTtCI/w-d-xo.html
Bruh
OMG ! Summoning Salt kinda trashed me in the Pokemon WR history video too.. I WAS SALTY TOO! *fist bumps*
oh yes it begins I hope this doesn't die I will be expecting salt's response to this response in around 3 months xD
I got the pellson rom but I don't know how to play it on fceux. Help please
Yo. Gas Chamber music from Star Fox Adventures. Mad respect.
More music from the game... Kosmic you're a real one.
@@AreYouMyMother I almost used krazoa palace too but did yoshis island instead for a lighter mood haha
How does playing in HD vs analogue help with pixel perfect timing?
Not gonna lie, I think I'm addicting to watching and playing smb1
i think this is my fav of your videos. so funny!
This is reality fascinating
kosmic best youtuber
Can't wait for Bismuth's in-depth analysis of all mario levels from a scientific standpoint. Particularly 8-4
i love this real kosmic salt
does the game time serve as a good reference for which frame rule you're on?
no it's not related
Wow this drama is very intense guys and very real as well
10:17 someone in chat: "8-B first is never gonna happen"
It was basically impossible at the time
Oh you wanna talk about 8-4?
Bitch I am 8-4!
Gotta love Kosmic!
Can you do more lost levels/2J related content? To me that is the most exciting mario game.
The TH-cam beef we all needed
You're great Kosmic
i feel like he has an idea how actual drama starts, and videos like this, with comedy attach, makes it a lot easier to convey his opinion about this, which lessen the chances of people who just want to hate him gets a reason.
also, i can feel the frustration.
but yeah, I do understand that directly comparing past and the present is and shitting the past is not kinda good.
but I also think pointing out what were the lackings in the past that have been improve overtime is not bad, just needs to be presented properly.
After many hours of watching smb speedruns, I am not totally sure of my understanding of the frame rule. Damn.
How do you run so fast? I played on PC Mario Bros flash and it takes Mario more time to fall. Also I don't know how to do the flagpole glitch. I don't know if that is because I am playing on PC or something.
u cant do fpg on mario bros flash only on the original mario bros
Mario Bros Flash is an unofficial recreation of SMB1. If you want to speedrun SMB1 then go download the Nestopia UE emulator and obtain a ROM of SMB1. However I legally can't tell you how to get a ROM
You should make a video on Mike Tyson Punch Out to get back on Salt
That's him: 0:19 :o
This is like drama mondays but not dunkey
Nice title! (I'll now proceed to watch the video)