There is no mechanism within the Scottish league structure to relegate a ‘same’ club down three divisions in one season, that alone is evidence of new club status. RIP RFC 2012.
What is laughable is that Septic could not win 10 in a row with RANGERS not being there. So if they still had been there you would never have seen 9 again.
@@iangraham9344 Aye, and if David Murray had paid his taxes and not made EBT contracts Rangers wouldn't be dead and the company liquidated. Silver linings.
@@iangraham9344if’s but’s and maybes, the big difference is we did see 9. Unfortunately for you, you’re fantasy scenario doesn’t exist. here’s an interesting fact for you, Celtic won more trophy’s in 4 years since rangers got promoted than they did when rangers were playing in the lower leagues (including 4 trebles) work that one out 😂☘️
Stop lying. The club does exist. The governing bodies have confirmed its the same club. Normally people with no unhinged bitter obsession will move on. But sadly the world is full of plebs like you who just cannot accept reality.
Funnily enough, in his other video about Celtic he says "Whilst Rangers experienced financial collapse and had to restart in the lower divisions of Scottish football' Guess he knows his audiences......
Rangers was an incorporated entity in Scot’s law which was liquidated in 2012. A new company bought the assets and changed its name to The Rangers. This newly formed club started life in the 4th division. You can buy physical assets it’s a ridiculous notion that you can buy a liquidated entity’s history and achievements. There was never a company separate from the club which was liquidated, Rangers died. 55 is a myth.
There was no relegation. The new club had to apply for membership of the SFA and SFL because the club had never played in Scotland before 2012. Lets stick to the facts.
I suggest YOU stick to the facts. The SFA membership was transferred over. You are referring to a football licence which Rangers lost due to expulsion from the top flight. They got demoted through the following stages regarding the old licence no longer coming into effect. Before you say ''Oh but a new licence means a new club''. No, at least not in this case. When Rangers were in administration, and the future was uncertain, we, like all clubs in admin at the end of a season, are ejected from the league, and due to the uncertainty around the club's future the SPL took no risk, and we got booted out, this caused us to lose our licence. Charles Green's consortium then bought over the rights, and the club was then owned by Sevco however we where without a league so we had to reapply for a licence to play football again, and in doing so attempted to have our premiership share transferred over to the new company so the club could then return to the top league, this was voted against, and instead it was accepted in the lower leagues. In other words had be not been ejected from the top flight we wouldn't have lost our licence, but since that happened we had to regain one. That's why we couldn't play in Europe for 3 years. . However liquidation did not result in such eventualities because the liquidation took place four, and a half months after the club was sold to the newco and indeed after the club was kicked out the top flight. So the timeline dictates the club wasn't effected in the sale or the licence change due to Green's consortium buying the club as cited by Article 6 of the Articles of Associations of the SPL.
Have to ask yourself, if this Rangers were indeed the same club, then they would have the same debt to the public purse, and all those thousands of creditors, not to forget the victims of abuse by paid staff members of the old RFC, dignity should prevail to pay these victims, yet the words dignity and Rangers don't go hand in hand. Those victims have been told very publicly to take up any claim for wrongdoing to the liquidators of the old RFC, shame on both these vile clubs.
Rangers Football Club was Liquidated & it's assets were acquired by Charles Green. The first game that the New Club formed by Charles Green ever played was against Brechin City FC at Glebe Park in July 2012, They played that game under the name Sevco Scotland LTD. Not The Rangers International Football Club which they later became, but Sevco Scotland LTD. They had to set in motion a transfer of undertakings for protection of employment or T.U.P.E in order to register the players over to the new club/company, the ones that didn't jump ship anyway. The Rangers started from this point until today, everything before this all the baubles, all the trophy's all the pots & pans were achieved by the Original club & as we all know, they went Bust. The Club was never relegated, demoted, sent down, they didn't work their way back up anywhere, they ceased to exist, ask the creditors who where waiting on the money.
Wrong! Actually show some facts! The club was officially sold to the newco on June the 14th 2012 as cited by the sale shown here: ''The Rangers Football Club Plc ceased to be the owner, and operator of a football team in consequence of the SALE to Sevco Scotland Ltd by it's administrators on June 14th 2012 of substantially the whole of the business, and undertaking, including Rangers Football Club Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL provides''. As for the contracts switching over. A company administers the contracts and wages for staff and players who play for the club. The old company administered the contracts from 1899-2012. And indeed a newco was set up as a company to continue to administer those contracts for the club. However administering contracts for a club isn't the same as the club itself. The mid transition of those contracts from one company to another resulted in a limbo during the transition hence why players could leave. This limbo was due to the mid transition which meant that the contracts for the club aswell as the club itself wasn't being administered by any business during the transition period. Hence why players could leave if they wanted. Sevco is a company that operates Rangers. The company renamed to The Rangers Football Club like the previous company because at one time or another those companies operated Rangers. Both companies are not the club. They are predated by the club. The incorporation argument isn't a literal definition. It's a legal personality definition that means a club can only exist if they're operating under a corporate structure. Rangers operated under the oldco from 1899-2012 but didn't register as a club formed in 1899 because the formation of the company doesn't have to align in order for there to be a distinction from football and corporate entity. Those rights were carried over. Additionally the contracts were transferred over. Had the club ceased those contracts wouldn't exist. They'd have had to sign new contracts. That never happened. You misunderstand fully how administering contracts for clubs via it's company and how it works. Corporate identity isn't a literal definition. If that was the case then why, before 2012, did no one claim Rangers to be formed in 1899? You conveniently change that argument to suit the lie that the club ''died' which has already been cited in the sale of the club to the newco thus proving not to be the case.
@@crs2385 The truth is simple, only liars & Lies are as complicated & convoluted as the hogwash you've been spouting. I understand it's hard for you to accept, but you're going to have to. Rangers Football Club was liquidated in 2012, the club you invest in now are Sevco 5088. I know you'll expect more conversation & comments or whatever but as far as I'm concerned this discussion is over, I don't have the time or inclination to partake in the ramblings of an Obscurantist Quisling.......
@StrangeloveTheDoctor "This conversation is over" In other words you don't have anything. No the club was sold to the new company in the summer of 2012. It's you who needs to accept reality.
Tribute act that stopped the ten and made it to a European finale 😂😂 use are the worst in Europe with all the money use shout about. When did use last make it out a group lol
@jamesmcnally5838 use have us to thank for being anywhere near the champions league use have done nothing for the co effcient we gave done it single handly
@@mrfix48yes they changed their name,but they were never in administration or were never liquidated . When rangers were closed down through liquidation they had to re register and start as another club, that’s why they had to start in the 4th division. Rangers were never relegated.
@@mrfix48 A club changing their name doesn't make them a new club. Rangers were liquidated and once a club is liquidated they cannot continue, that's why a new club was formed with a different name. Just accept that your fans let their club die. Take responsibility.
Your trainers in the cupboard have less history than Gretna 2008. Let alone Glasgow Rangers. Honestly, i'm fine with accepting the fact we haven't dominated for years. But to continue to spread this nonsense that Rangers ''don't exist'' or ''Rangers died'' is a pure insult to such a great club. Rangers have contributed more to Scottish football with a challenge than you's have without one. That's the truth. The fact is you support a club that have been handed a head start and pretend you's are somehow the biggest, and the best. Never gonna happen. When Rangers do get back to strength Scottish football will be back to normal. Until then it's a fake pretend Irish team trying to pretend they got a 2nd 9iar, pretend Rangers don't exist to claim top spot in titles, and pretend domiance means having no challenge for 4 years. You lot are pathetic, and bring shame to even claim yourselves to be Scottish! Your club belong in one place, and that's the Irish league! You're a disgrace to this nation.
Even to this day the word LIQUIDATION is still not thoroughly understood by rangers fans, I know the Scottish education has been questioned in recent times but it still not being explained pity really as the creditors are now skint
@RJBargee, yeah, the pain of winning 3-in-a-row, which includes one domestic TREBLE sandwiched in between two league and cup DOUBLES, is still very RAW for us!!! 🤣🤣🤣
It's amazing that it's seen as an achievement to get back through the divisions... When they have premiership players going toe to toe with plumber... They only also got large numbers of supporters as the cult have nothing else to do other than... Rangers, their lives revolve around it
Your channel is about to be visited by some very angry bears brace yourself for the abuse you are dealing with forces unlike anything you have seen before 👀🍿🤣 HH 🍀🏆🏆
You've literally just watched a video about the history of Rangers, which explained how the transfer of company ownership is a separation entity from the club itself and you STILL chose to perpetuate the lie that gives your life meaning 😂 Typical sex offender 💯
I agree, surface level understanding of the matter at hand, just the kind of acceptance that The Rangers support can easily dupe with the continuity lie.
@@jockkent8787 Not a new club. The sale of the club was put to bed long ago in the summer of 2012 as quoted ''The Rangers Football Club Plc ceased to be the owner, and operator of a football team in consequence of the SALE to Sevco Scotland Ltd by it's administrators on June 14th 2012 of substantially the whole of the business, and undertaking, including Rangers Football Club Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL provides''.
No the club had to apply for a new licence due to the expulsion of the club from the top flight due to uncertainty over the club's future however since this happened in the summer of 2012 the liquidation did not take place until October 2012. The club had already been sold to the newco on June 14th 2012 as stated via article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL. The sale of the club is confirmed in that statement so the club continued but since the expulsion had already taken place the club had to regain a licence to play football again. Bitterness from fans pressuring their board to vote against allowing Rangers back into the top flight is the reason why Rangers started the following season in the 3rd division. Nothing to do with the club itself. Do some research before you run you mouth like some bitter tim.
Are they heading towards a financial crisis? They are already living one! 1) average losses since their formation in 2012 are 10M per year 2) these losses are being carried by directors that will eventually tap out 3) when compared to Celtic; - few tradable assets, as their squad value is about 60% of Celtics - with 10,000 fewer seats their match day revenues will never be close - they are still way behind in terms of their other revenue streams - their summer rebuild will be nowhere near good enough to win the SPFL - they will maybe have Europa not Champions League money for the foreseeable future 4) the good news - nobody will lose money the next time they go bust - the tax man is keeping them on a short leash - they have very few trade creditors as payment terms are set based on risk - they have no lenders other than directors, as credit lines are unavailable
Talking out your back end. Been coming away with this made up nonsense for years. If the club was ''fOrMeD iN 2012'' then why would the tax man be interested in a club you claim doesn't exist or you claim as ''no historic connection'' to Rangers today? Tims always contradict themselves with this sort of made up drivel all the time. Because yous know we're the same club WATP 🤣🤣🤣
@@crs2385 Your rebuttal of my points is the "tax man" connection? Okay, so here we go... 1) It's not a question of "IF" the club was formed in 2012. The new entity, Sevco Scotland, WAS formed in 2012. 2) The club already existed and was in the process of being liquidated for the benefit of creditors that had been stiffed. 3) The old club was actually one of the votes in the process of allowing the new club admission to the 4th tier of Scottish football. 4) Once the nonsense of immediate admission to the top tier was dealt with, the members of the SPFL agreed to transfer a "vacant" membership to your new club. 5) Your new club was admitted (ahead of other candidates) to the league on a provisional basis in order to complete the first round proper of Scottish Cup games on schedule in Jul/Aug 2012. 6) Having secured a place in the 3rd division, your new club acquired the assets of the old club in a closed bid process 7) This did not include ANY players. Why? Because the players registrations were held by the old club and could not be acquired as assets, unless of course there was an agreement to pay transfer fees to the old club that held their registrations for the benefit of the creditors. 8) Those players who did want to stay at Ibrox did so under TUPE provisions and then agreed new contracts with their new employer. 9) They had to agree new contracts with the new employer because the old ones were no longer valid and new club had a new tax ID 10) Ergo, the only connection to the tax man. However, let's be very clear about my point here. The Inland Revenue Service have no right to scrutinize a new entity because of a connection to a former entity that cheated them out of many millions of pounds, but, they are also not stupid. Independent of this connection, they will be well aware of how your club is financed, public information after all, and they will be making sure that your annual, interim and PAYE tax filings are all being completed on time and paid in full. Obviously the club makes a never ending loss, so corporate taxes are nominal, it will be the VAT and PAYE filings that they are tracking. So in conclusion, and to return to the real question, is the club once again in financial trouble? Well, that depends. The club is on the UEFA watch list for a reason, and that will not change without positive and corrective action. The club either needs to live within its means, break-even or better, or otherwise there will be potential UEFA sanctions. That is the greatest single risk to the club as UEFA revenue is the only thing that vaguely keeps the business close to being financially viable. However, if the club accepts its place in a traditional merit system, does not overspend in an attempt to affect the natural order, then there is no reason why the business should ever be in financial trouble. So, yes, YATP and let's hope that you can accept survival is better than what happened last time #loweryourexpectations
@gedinte Okay, so allot of nonsense to debunk. There's allot to get through so let's tackle this one bit at a time. '' It's not a question of "IF" the club was formed in 2012. The new entity, Sevco Scotland, WAS formed in 2012.'' This is false, and has been put to bed by the governing bodies. Firstly the club wasn't formed in 2012, the new company was. The new company was formed in 2012. Predated by the history and the club. The club indeed also predates the formation of the oldco, 1899. The club itself was saved. This is confirmed via the sale agreement which was cited via Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL which reads the following: ''The Rangers Football Club Plc ceased to be the owner, and operator of a football team in consequence of the SALE to Sevco Scotland Ltd by it's administrators on June 14th 2012 of substantially the whole of the business, and undertaking, including Rangers Football Club Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL provides''. What was set up is the newco which, as shown above, as used as a corporate entity with a clean financial slate as a means to buy the club over from the oldco which allows the club to continue whilst allowing the original corporate entity to liquidate whilst preserving the club under a newco. ''The club already existed and was in the process of being liquidated for the benefit of creditors that had been stiffed'' False. On June 14th 2012 the oldco hadn't even entered the liquidation process yet. The liquidation process of the oldco didn't take place until October 31st 2012. This happened four and a half months after the club had moved out of that company. Additionally HMRC have been quoted on the matter specifically stating the liquidation as follows: ''Moreover the liquidation route does not prejudice the proposed sale of the football club. The sale can take place either through a CVA or liquidation''. Which is indeed what happened on June 14th 2012. Additionally this has been stated via Administrator Paul Clark stating that ''The company will be passed into liquidation. But just to stress the club will have already been sold, and moved out of the company by then, and then BDO will be appointed at liquidators at some later date.'' Indeed, based on the timeline of events, this is consistent with the timescale of the club being sold to the newco prior to the oldco entering liquidation on October 31st 2012. Furthermore Paul Clark adds: ''The history of the club will remain with the club. So the club moves from Rangers PLC into the new company, and all of the titles, and all of the 140 year history history will remain with the club. And that was part of the two stage process that we set up with Charles all those weeks ago to ensure the club itself will remain.''
@@gedinte 'The old club was actually one of the votes in the process of allowing the new club admission to the 4th tier of Scottish football.'' Half true. Indeed Rangers still held a right to vote in the summer of 2012. This vote was cast to ensure the club would play football the following season once it moved into the new company. Hence why Rangers had a right to vote however it wasn't voting for another club. It was voting for itself under the conditions the club would play the following season when it was operating under the newco. Basically the club was voting for itself to be accepted in conjunction with moving the SFA membership over thus ensuring the club could continue under a new company as there was another company that was buying the rights of the club over as confirmed above. ''Once the nonsense of immediate admission to the top tier was dealt with, the members of the SPFL agreed to transfer a "vacant" membership to your new club..Your new club was admitted (ahead of other candidates) to the league on a provisional basis in order to complete the first round proper of Scottish Cup games on schedule in Jul/Aug 2012.'' Okay so this is where the greatest misunderstandings/common misconceptions come with people who argue this case. New membership/vacant membership was a consquence of the club facing expulsion from the top flight. This took place during the summer of 2012, and indeed before the liquidation process in the Autumn. As we understand the timeline of events dictating the sale in the summer we can rule out the liquidation as a means to new membership. So what are we left with? Simple. When Rangers were in administration at the end of the 2011/12 season we, like any club in admin at the end of the season, face a scinario of expulsion from the league. This detail is key. Why? Because when Rangers faced expulsion from the top flight we lost our footballing licence. Directly this had an impact on Rangers playing football. The impact wasn't liquidation as the timeline dictates the liquidation took place much later. As it was a licence issue the newco bought the club over, and tried to get our premiership share accepted, and this was voted against. When the club regained a new licence we were given associate membership as a consequence of having to re-enter the leagues. In this circumstance the club was unharmed but without a league so tried to get back into the league but was voted against. In other words had the club not faced ejection due to the uncertainty at that time we wouldn't have been kicked out. The associate membership was purely only down to ejection from the league in a consequence of uncertainty over the future of where the club would end up, which at the time was up in the air. Since the club was sold to the newco we had already lost our place in the top flight hence why we had to re-enter the league, and indeed had our SFA membership transferred over to ensure the club would keep playing football. So if the club Rangers were ''liqudated'' then why did the club get sold to the newco four and a half months before the oldco entered the liqudation process? Answer me that one. Because based on the timeline that doesn't make any logical sense from your pov.
@@gedinte ''Having secured a place in the 3rd division, your new club acquired the assets of the old club in a closed bid process'' Actually the new company acquired the assets and the football club as stated via Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL, Paul Clark administrator states the club was part of the sale to the newco, additionally Lord Nimmo Smith's legal comission states the club was sold to the newco along with the governing bodies, and the ECA. Again, this is a myth folk like yourself continue to spin but has already been refuted by the footballing authorities across the continent. I go on.... ''This did not include ANY players. Why? Because the players registrations were held by the old club and could not be acquired as assets, unless of course there was an agreement to pay transfer fees to the old club that held their registrations for the benefit of the creditors.'' Right, your confusion is showing here. I'll need to elaborate to you what it means to have contracts with clubs, and how companies administer said club's contracts. When you sign for a football club you sign on the condition of contracting with whatever company is operating that club. In Rangers case Rangers had a company administering these contracts from 1899-2012. The contracts were indeed present however not all transferred over. Why is this? Let me explain, as you seem to argue this from a black and white pov. A company administers the contracts and wages for staff and players who play for the club. The old company administered the contracts from 1899-2012. And indeed a newco was set up as a company to continue to administer those contracts for the club. However administering contracts for a club isn't the same as the club itself. When the club was sold to the newco this put the contracts in a corporate limbo. What does this mean exactly? Well the mid transition of those contracts from one company to another resulted in a limbo during the transition hence why players could leave for free. This limbo was due to the mid transition which meant that the contracts for the club aswell as the club itself wasn't being administered by any business during the transition period. Hence why players could leave if they wanted. To sum this up in simple terms for you, contracts and indeed the business rights, and football clubs are all operated by whatever corporate structure owns and runs them. To administer the contracts is a legal identity case but this goes for operating clubs, brands, buisiness rights ect ect. Indeed when one signs for a club they indeed sign for that club but it must be done through whatever company/corporate identity owns them. Since Rangers FC had moved out of the oldco there was no company to administer said contracts for that club thus why they had to move to a newco. The company administers the contracts, like whatever company would administer anything relating to business or footballing rights. This is purely an argument based on how companies administer contracts rather than the club itself. ''Those players who did want to stay at Ibrox did so under TUPE provisions and then agreed new contracts with their new employer.'' Under TUPE conditions you could stay if you wished. TUPE dictated, what i already argued, was down to the transition period which put the contracts in limbo due to a newco administering the clubs contracts. But i'll not repeat myself. ''They had to agree new contracts with the new employer because the old ones were no longer valid and new club had a new tax ID'' No the contracts actually got carried over, in terms of the players who wanted to remain at Rangers. No the new tax ID was regarding the newco that purchased the club. Finance issues regarding tax, wages, bills ect are administered by the company. Whilst this can have an effect on the club through a continuation it allows anything relating to corporate or tax issues to change even if the club moves to a newco. ''Ergo, the only connection to the tax man. However, let's be very clear about my point here. The Inland Revenue Service have no right to scrutinize a new entity because of a connection to a former entity that cheated them out of many millions of pounds, but, they are also not stupid. Independent of this connection, they will be well aware of how your club is financed, public information after all, and they will be making sure that your annual, interim and PAYE tax filings are all being completed on time and paid in full. Obviously the club makes a never ending loss, so corporate taxes are nominal, it will be the VAT and PAYE filings that they are tracking.'' Rangers actually profited last season so based on the previous annual accounts the club isn't making a loss as things stand. Additionally you seem to argue one way regarding ''no right to scrutinize a new entity'' Whilst making a case for there being a ''connection''. Well which is it? I'm not gonna take you seriously if you're trying to have your cake and eat it. This is just fabricated self contradicting ramblings on your part i'm afraid. ''The club is on the UEFA watch list for a reason, and that will not change without positive and corrective action. The club either needs to live within its means, break-even or better, or otherwise there will be potential UEFA sanctions.'' This is a lie also. The club came off the UEFA watch list a good year or two ago. As for the claim of needing the break even otherwise sanctions? No, sanctions come due to financial mismanagement. Not lack of breaking even, which FYI, due to last years accounts, contradicts such arguments. On that basis Rangers are in no situation regarding sanctions from UEFA. ''That is the greatest single risk to the club as UEFA revenue is the only thing that vaguely keeps the business close to being financially viable. However, if the club accepts its place in a traditional merit system, does not overspend in an attempt to affect the natural order, then there is no reason why the business should ever be in financial trouble. So, yes, YATP and let's hope that you can accept survival is better than what happened last time #loweryourexpectations'' Considering Rangers have been regulars in Europe, including reaching the last 16 regularly in recent years. I would worry more about your own club who cannot seem to hack it in UEFA's competitions. Look closer to home. As for lowering expectations? Dream on. WATP
Still peddling this "relegation" myth. You can't get relegated 3 divisions. A new club was formed and had to apply for membership, hence why they had to start at the bottom tier. It's not rocket science.
Total Pish. Doesnt even mention the Chewbaccery going on right now about the building works at Ibrokes that we have been told are 'delayed' due to shipping issues from China. Informed sources claim that this is purely a PR position taken to preserve season ticket sales and that there are much more serious issues involved. And The Rangers (new co) have no claims to the achievements of Rangers FC (old co) which was Liquidated and ceased to exist in 2012.
The football club is Ranger FC. Irrelevant of the new company. This matter has already been setteled. I suggest you take your anti Rangers arrogance and bugger off. The new company bought the club over before the liquidation process even began.
Lots of incorrect information in there not least of all "relegation". Rangers where not relegated, they went bust and died. That is what liquidation means. It wasn't a new company, it was an entirely new club, new name, new licence and new share in the SPL. 1899 was the year that Ranges became "incorporated" that is, the club and the company are one in the same. When liquidation came, the club didn't survive, this is a myth and was later introduced by the media to sooth the fans and make them feel better about themselves and the club. Everyone knows it's a lie.
It's not a myth at all. Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL reads the club was sold on June 14th 2012. Hardly a media myth. The liquidation of the oldco didn't take place until October 31st 2012, and by then the club had already moved out of the oldco. So no, the club didn't die. Stop lying
Say that name all you want, that's when Fergus McCann paid off all the debts and restructured Celtic management to avoid LIQUIDATION, unlike yourselves who are heading in that direction again, can't wait till jelly & ice-cream time again :) RIP SEVCO
No the club did not die. The rights where bought over thus preserving the club, and saving it from extinction. The sale of the club was made to the newco on June 14th 2012 which states the following ''The Rangers Football Club Plc ceased to be the owner, and operator of a football team in consequence of the SALE to Sevco Scotland Ltd by it's administrators on June 14th 2012 of substantially the whole of the business, and undertaking, including Rangers Football Club Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL provides''.
@@pato2200 The debts don't need to be paid because the club is now owned and operated under a new company with a clean financial slate. This is a loophole that allowes the dept of the old company to face the financial strain whilst allowing the club to continue under a new company. Yes, you can have it both ways.
Short term goals of winning the league has not lead them to a better financial footing, additional revenue streams, excess dividends to directors, excess salaries to underperforming players. Etc
Wrong! The club didn't die in 2012. The club was saved when Green's consortium bought the rights to Rangers on June 14th 2012 as follows ''The Rangers Football Club Plc ceased to be the owner, and operator of a football team in consequence of the SALE to Sevco Scotland Ltd by it's administrators on June 14th 2012 of substantially the whole of the business, and undertaking, including Rangers Football Club Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL provides''. Oh and FYI Rangers and Celtic both renew the Old Firm trademark to this day.
@@crs2385the club wasn't saved. Stop continuing with this outright lie. Rangers oldco died in 2012. Look up Scottish Insolvency law. You want to keep the history of oldco but don't want to pay the debts of oldco. Good try son
@@GlasgowCelticforever1888 I laugh and strain my head at your comment mate. You claim the club isn't the same when in the same vein of argument bang on about the old company. No one disputes a new company now operates Rangers. No one denies that. The newco bough the club over to save the club. This is called sporting continuation which allows the preservation of the club. As UEFA about sporting continuation. They will laugh at you if you try to tell them they're wrong about it because UEFA permit this very action in persuit of club preservation. You are the only who continues to spout lies and claim ''rAnGeRs ArE dEaD''. Never gonna happen pal. You'd think by now folk of your mindset would focus on your own club, but even after 12 years of this myth you're still spreading it. Grow up.
@@crs2385 I will assume your referring to Celtic FC renewing ownership of the ‘Old Firm’ brand, the brand that Michael Nicholson renews on a yearly basis as part of Celtic FC part ownership in the 'Old Firm' trademark, by doing so this enables Celtic FC to control the benefits of the use of that brand name, and more importantly to prevent it’s misuse by others, including the New Rangers. The historical use of the ‘Old Firm’ trademark is a very viable business commodity which is in Celtic interest to manage, and will continue to do so, regardless of the brand becoming clinically redundant in 2012. Celtic FC stated publicly during the last renewal process that Celtic are not half of anything, as much as the New Rangers want them to be. New Rangers were quoted as 'holding onto Celtics shirt tails' with regards to the term 'Old Firm'. Shame really.
@@dan2665 If Celtic aren't ''half of anything'' then they wouldn't renew something they don't believe exists. If it's renewed then it exists. You cannot claim one thing whilst doing the other. That's called hypocrisy, and using hypocrisy is not gonna ground your point. It's a poor basis for debate/argument. As for ''nEw RaNgErS''. I suggest you do some re-search. The club isn't new. The club was sold to a new company, and that new company indeed operates the same club. How do we know this? Because the sale of the club to the new company was made on June 14th 2012 as cited here: ''The Rangers Football Club Plc ceased to be the owner, and operator of a football team in consequence of the SALE to Sevco Scotland Ltd by it's administrators on June 14th 2012 of substantially the whole of the business, and undertaking, including Rangers Football Club Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL provides''. So we've established your argument/form of debate is based on using an excample that undermines your claim whilst contradicts the very thing your club claim ''not to be apart of'' and you continue to spread the ''new Rangers'' nonsense like you lot have been trying to make stick for 12 years. Honestly, if this is your attempt at coherent discussion then you're doing a terrible job of it. Try harder next time.
Clearly a lot of effort has gone into this piece so why fudge some issues. The club was liquidated. Recent titles were won whilst teabsgressing rules concerning contracts and registration. Even if the league titles of both Rangers clubs ard combined they total 54 outright titles, equal to Celtic.
What a load of flowery pish. Rangers went into administration and liquidation. Their assets were sold. Their players did walking away. I supposed Bjorn Again have had 14 number ones ?
This video is an embarrassment. Honestly you'd think we were on the brink. The club is doing fine off the pitch. It's on the pitch that the club is struggling.
@@ColinSweeney-zm1qp It's called a stadium expansion. Rangers aren't homeless because we, unlike a club from the east end, actually own Ibrox mate. Your stadium doesn't even belong to you. The coop own it! Meanwhile we will be playing at Murrafield for the first 4 of 5 homes games. I'm happy with that.
@crs2385 Celtic FC £145,000,000 in the bank,Zombies £0. About to be hammered for using Murrayfield ,Edminston House a mess,can't sign any new players over £5,000,000 add the cost of the work being done, wonderful news. 🤣🤣🤣💚🤍🧡
@@crs2385 You speak utter nonsense, as the only piece of paradise Celtic don’t own is the airspace over the adjacent eastern necropolis (cemetery to you) due to the North stand overhang..........🤦♂
@@tonyhendrix8075 and see what happens when they were at murrayfield lol they got up to the usual scumbag antics running around slateford rd wearing balaclavas lol is really that embarrising to be a currant bun 😂😂😂
Lets get a bit of factuality in this video, the club was not relegated, the old club was liquidated, a new club was formed and the scottish football authorities bent the rules to allow the new pheonix club to take a place in the scottish league pyramid.
Wrong! The club wasn't liquidated. If you even knew what you were talking about you'd understand the timeline of events regarding the club being bought over by the newco, and the oldco going into liquidation much later. The sale of the club from the oldco to the newco has already been cited via the SPL: 'The Rangers Football Club Plc ceased to be the OWNER, and operator of a football team in consequence of the SALE to Sevco Scotland Ltd by it's administrators on June 14th 2012 of substantially the whole of the business, and undertaking, including RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL provides''. ''The old club was liquidated'' False. This was a licence issue. Not a club change issue. I'll break this down for you so it's easy for you to understand. You are referring to a football licence which Rangers lost due to expulsion from the top flight. They got demoted through the following stages regarding the old licence no longer coming into effect. Before you say ''Oh but a new licence means a new club''. No, at least not in this case. When Rangers were in administration, and the future was uncertain, we, like all clubs in admin at the end of a season, are ejected from the league, and due to the uncertainty around the club's future the SPL took no risk, and we got booted out, this caused us to lose our licence. Charles Green's consortium then bought over the rights, and the club was then owned by Sevco however we where without a league so we had to reapply for a licence to play football again, and in doing so attempted to have our premiership share transferred over to the new company so the club could then return to the top league, this was voted against, and instead it was accepted in the lower leagues. In other words had be not been ejected from the top flight we wouldn't have lost our licence, but since that happened we had to regain one. That's why we couldn't play in Europe for 3 years. . However liquidation did not result in such eventualities because the liquidation of the old company took place four, and a half months after the club was sold to the newco and indeed after the club was kicked out the top flight. So the timeline dictates the club wasn't effected in the sale or the licence change due to Green's consortium buying the club as cited by Article 6 of the Articles of Associations of the SPL.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 oh my fkn sides , you nearly had me with the jiggery pokery they swapped this and that but alas Rancid died but listen We'll play along incase you keep hurting and after all being Scotland's 2nd most successful team ain't bad . @@crs2385
@@TheMerchantOfTruth You know that's nonsense. But if you wanna pretend Rangers don't exist then go for it. You'll never kill us off. You lot may be on top at the moment but it won't last.
@@kato....... An MP isn't an expert on football clubs. Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL confirmed the club was sold to the new company. All the major governing bodies have confirmed the club is the same. Have to say, you're one of the few people i've came across that takes what a politician say's a face value. Niavety at it's finest.
Do one about the 50 year paedophile ring cover up at Celtic football club that involved 9 men connected to the club being convicted with over 500 victims! Do one on that as it's a much much bigger and controversial story than dodging tax 👍
If Rangers arent then same club the how come this guy just said they hadnt won a title in over a decade and how come the governing bodies helped them celebrate over 150 years of history? And how come they havent been stripped of any titles. And the kicker. HOW COME SEPTIC TRADE MARKED THE NAME OLD FIRM IN 2021 ? 😂😂😂😂
Garbage. Have a look at Celtics Child Abuse case? How many employees imprisoned for abusing children. Celtic then forced 22 victims to take a class action. These 22 men have not forced Celtic to admit the abuse, only after forcing the 22 and the others who have had to apply to the Scottish Child Abuse Eedress system The question is now. Have Celtic, by denying the Abuse brought the Scottish game into disrepute?
Once you mentioned relegation instead of Liquidation i turned it off… you cannot be relegated from the first division to the 4th division in one go! , therefore you lost all credibility.🤥
Wtf is yhis guy talking about....rangers have recent success....3 trophies in how many years ffs, theyre pish, end of conversation, and linfield have won more league titles than them. 😂😂😂 absolute laughing stock
@@gerlar67 mad how instead of being accountable and saying “ yes , it’s horrible what happened in our history and now our fans will do everything to ensure this kind of evil never finds a way into our club on such a massive scale ever again” .. but instead all you hear is some shite about Gordon Neely , who was reported to the police and removed from his position at rangers , the police were the ones who did nothing about “feely Neely” as you Celtic fans so affectionately call him … there were 3 instances in the history of rangers all of which ended with people being removed and reported to the authorities… your clubs history has over 430 child victims , which were swept under the proverbial rug by everyone at your club , including some of celtics “greatest heroes” …. Your clubs history isn’t the trophies it has won, it’s about the damage it has done …the point is you can deflect deflect deflect all you want … doesn’t change the fact that your football club is most likely the biggest pedo operation to exist in sports history and Scottish history
@@PepRex Sherlock Holmes I'm not hiding my colours my original comment was about Celtic if anyone is hiding that they are a Celtic fan it's you now do one.
@@PepRex If Rangers really ''died'' then why are you so interested in trying to confirm it based on your conscious bias? The governing bodies have put the matter to bed. Rangers didn't die. The club was bought by Green's consortium.
@@PepRexYou're so daft. The club has always been called 'The Rangers Football Club' since May 1872. And no the club did not due. Green's consortium bought the club over
Rangers are dead and what's left of their new club isn't even funny. There is no longer any competition in Scotland for Celtic. It's been a pretty boring 12 years. Next year the mutants wont even be able to shout about 55 lol as if one more is somehow fucking astounding. Rangers need a Fergus McCann but they seem to keep getting woeful charlatans. If rangers2 ever contend for the league title again in Scotland I'll be in awe. Their managers don't seem to understand the game judging from the players they keep at the club who, although they love the club are killing it by playing sh1te consistently. Everyone can bitch and moan but it is true.
Ha ha ha ha a football club never dies? So what happened to third lanark? Rangers FC Died in 2012 which meant they couldn't be held accountable for the millions they owed to creditor's. Good try son
@@GlasgowCelticforever1888 No Rangers never died. Just like Wigan Athletic, Hull FC, Hibernian, Leeds, Fiorentina, Parma ect all continued when a newco bought the clubs over. This is called sporting continuation which UEFA permit regarding the preservation of a great club.
Rangers playing license expired in 2012. Sevco 5088 had to apply for a new one. First game played under the licensed name Sevco. Hence Rangers did not exist at that point. Clubs deed. Deal with it. Yer a tribute act, and a sh*te one at that
There was that, the 'global banking crisis' (TM) affected Rangers' bank badly more than anything. Under a new bank (Lloyd's) the proverbial hit the fan as they were paranoid about their own sustainability.
On 11th October,1994 The Celtic and Athletic Football Club was born. Fergus McCann no getting away from this. Company check. Feel free everyone to see the name of this mhob there.
Total clickbait and fodder for our adversaries."What if I told you that Rangers were on the verge of collapse again"? What if I said, show us proof? You have the accounts? A lot is public knowledge. All I heard was complete supposition.Opinion.Embarrassing.
Rangers have never been relegated! They were put into administration, then, were LIQUIDATED. Something completely different, it would take a week to educate you about the real history of "Rangers", and its nothing like what you've been told, obviously by the new Rangers.
Oh stop lying you pleb. Honestly, 12 years of this nonsense and you still cannot accept reality. Instead you sit on your dull bitter agenda. There's no new Rangers.
There is no mechanism within the Scottish league structure to relegate a ‘same’ club down three divisions in one season, that alone is evidence of new club status. RIP RFC 2012.
Gerrard's record of 1 🏆 win from 9 while St Johnstone won a Cup Double the same season is laughable.
What is laughable is that Septic could not win 10 in a row with RANGERS not being there. So if they still had been there you would never have seen 9 again.
@@iangraham9344 Aye, and if David Murray had paid his taxes and not made EBT contracts Rangers wouldn't be dead and the company liquidated. Silver linings.
@@iangraham9344if’s but’s and maybes, the big difference is we did see 9. Unfortunately for you, you’re fantasy scenario doesn’t exist. here’s an interesting fact for you, Celtic won more trophy’s in 4 years since rangers got promoted than they did when rangers were playing in the lower leagues (including 4 trebles) work that one out 😂☘️
Factually incorrect. There was no relegation, They did not exist. New club was entered into the 4th tier.
Stop lying. The club does exist. The governing bodies have confirmed its the same club. Normally people with no unhinged bitter obsession will move on. But sadly the world is full of plebs like you who just cannot accept reality.
how is a new club entered if the same dame name b4 they went to the 4tire
Rfc 2012 went extinct, the rangers fc 2012 went into div 3.
Funnily enough, in his other video about Celtic he says "Whilst Rangers experienced financial collapse and had to restart in the lower divisions of Scottish football'
Guess he knows his audiences......
The old rangers even got a vote on their entry!
Rangers was an incorporated entity in Scot’s law which was liquidated in 2012.
A new company bought the assets and changed its name to The Rangers.
This newly formed club started life in the 4th division.
You can buy physical assets it’s a ridiculous notion that you can buy a liquidated entity’s history and achievements.
There was never a company separate from the club which was liquidated, Rangers died. 55 is a myth.
There was no relegation. The new club had to apply for membership of the SFA and SFL because the club had never played in Scotland before 2012. Lets stick to the facts.
I suggest YOU stick to the facts. The SFA membership was transferred over. You are referring to a football licence which Rangers lost due to expulsion from the top flight. They got demoted through the following stages regarding the old licence no longer coming into effect. Before you say ''Oh but a new licence means a new club''. No, at least not in this case. When Rangers were in administration, and the future was uncertain, we, like all clubs in admin at the end of a season, are ejected from the league, and due to the uncertainty around the club's future the SPL took no risk, and we got booted out, this caused us to lose our licence. Charles Green's consortium then bought over the rights, and the club was then owned by Sevco however we where without a league so we had to reapply for a licence to play football again, and in doing so attempted to have our premiership share transferred over to the new company so the club could then return to the top league, this was voted against, and instead it was accepted in the lower leagues. In other words had be not been ejected from the top flight we wouldn't have lost our licence, but since that happened we had to regain one. That's why we couldn't play in Europe for 3 years. . However liquidation did not result in such eventualities because the liquidation took place four, and a half months after the club was sold to the newco and indeed after the club was kicked out the top flight. So the timeline dictates the club wasn't effected in the sale or the licence change due to Green's consortium buying the club as cited by Article 6 of the Articles of Associations of the SPL.
Have to ask yourself, if this Rangers were indeed the same club, then they would have the same debt to the public purse, and all those thousands of creditors, not to forget the victims of abuse by paid staff members of the old RFC, dignity should prevail to pay these victims, yet the words dignity and Rangers don't go hand in hand. Those victims have been told very publicly to take up any claim for wrongdoing to the liquidators of the old RFC, shame on both these vile clubs.
Don’t forget the face painter 😂😂😂
Rangers Football Club was Liquidated & it's assets were acquired by Charles Green. The first game that the New Club formed by Charles Green ever played was against Brechin City FC at Glebe Park in July 2012, They played that game under the name Sevco Scotland LTD. Not The Rangers International Football Club which they later became, but Sevco Scotland LTD. They had to set in motion a transfer of undertakings for protection of employment or T.U.P.E in order to register the players over to the new club/company, the ones that didn't jump ship anyway. The Rangers started from this point until today, everything before this all the baubles, all the trophy's all the pots & pans were achieved by the Original club & as we all know, they went Bust. The Club was never relegated, demoted, sent down, they didn't work their way back up anywhere, they ceased to exist, ask the creditors who where waiting on the money.
Not "relegated" ☝
Wrong! Actually show some facts! The club was officially sold to the newco on June the 14th 2012 as cited by the sale shown here:
''The Rangers Football Club Plc ceased to be the owner, and operator of a football team in consequence of the SALE to Sevco Scotland Ltd by it's administrators on June 14th 2012 of substantially the whole of the business, and undertaking, including Rangers Football Club Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL provides''.
As for the contracts switching over. A company administers the contracts and wages for staff and players who play for the club. The old company administered the contracts from 1899-2012. And indeed a newco was set up as a company to continue to administer those contracts for the club. However administering contracts for a club isn't the same as the club itself. The mid transition of those contracts from one company to another resulted in a limbo during the transition hence why players could leave. This limbo was due to the mid transition which meant that the contracts for the club aswell as the club itself wasn't being administered by any business during the transition period. Hence why players could leave if they wanted. Sevco is a company that operates Rangers. The company renamed to The Rangers Football Club like the previous company because at one time or another those companies operated Rangers. Both companies are not the club. They are predated by the club. The incorporation argument isn't a literal definition. It's a legal personality definition that means a club can only exist if they're operating under a corporate structure. Rangers operated under the oldco from 1899-2012 but didn't register as a club formed in 1899 because the formation of the company doesn't have to align in order for there to be a distinction from football and corporate entity. Those rights were carried over. Additionally the contracts were transferred over. Had the club ceased those contracts wouldn't exist. They'd have had to sign new contracts. That never happened. You misunderstand fully how administering contracts for clubs via it's company and how it works. Corporate identity isn't a literal definition. If that was the case then why, before 2012, did no one claim Rangers to be formed in 1899? You conveniently change that argument to suit the lie that the club ''died' which has already been cited in the sale of the club to the newco thus proving not to be the case.
@@ACelticWorld Expulsion, and voted out.
@@crs2385 The truth is simple, only liars & Lies are as complicated & convoluted as the hogwash you've been spouting. I understand it's hard for you to accept, but you're going to have to. Rangers Football Club was liquidated in 2012, the club you invest in now are Sevco 5088. I know you'll expect more conversation & comments or whatever but as far as I'm concerned this discussion is over, I don't have the time or inclination to partake in the ramblings of an Obscurantist Quisling.......
@StrangeloveTheDoctor "This conversation is over"
In other words you don't have anything. No the club was sold to the new company in the summer of 2012. It's you who needs to accept reality.
55 titles in 12 seasons.
This lot are an embarrassment.
Not as embarrassing as your denial 😊
Complain to UEFA about it Timothy 😂
@Foo-oo-oo-oolsGold89 Have you paid Her Majesty the £110m you stole from Her?
@@jimbyrne2328 Have you paid sex trafficking victims of Jock Stein back yet ?
@jimbyrne2328 you paid your victims
Rangers died in 2012, the same year their Sevco Scotland 5088 TRIBUTE ACT played their first ever game.
Tribute act that stopped the ten and made it to a European finale 😂😂 use are the worst in Europe with all the money use shout about. When did use last make it out a group lol
We’ve never finished stone last in a group and we always spell You’s with a Y 😂
@jamesmcnally5838 , I blame the Hun BROTHER impregnating his Hun SISTER!!! 😂😂😂
@@chrishood2965, good to see you ADMITTING you let your club DIE!!! 😆😆😆
@jamesmcnally5838 use have us to thank for being anywhere near the champions league use have done nothing for the co effcient we gave done it single handly
Sorry to say but if the club died in 2012 how do they have 55 titles 😂
Charliebrown1408, they don't 😂😂😂!!!. First of all they shared a title with Dumbarton and they cheated their way to most of them 😂😂😂!!!.
The old club finished on 54 titles. That's all it can ever be--54 titles. The new club is currently on 1 title.
@@gerrycoyle9151 How meny did the irish club have befor they changed there name and became a newco ?
@@mrfix48yes they changed their name,but they were never in administration or were never liquidated . When rangers were closed down through liquidation they had to re register and start as another club, that’s why they had to start in the 4th division. Rangers were never relegated.
@@mrfix48 A club changing their name doesn't make them a new club. Rangers were liquidated and once a club is liquidated they cannot continue, that's why a new club was formed with a different name. Just accept that your fans let their club die. Take responsibility.
My trainers in the cupboard have more history than rangers 🇮🇪🍀🇮🇪🍀🇮🇪🍀🇮🇪🍀🇮🇪🍀🇮🇪
Your trainers in the cupboard have less history than Gretna 2008. Let alone Glasgow Rangers. Honestly, i'm fine with accepting the fact we haven't dominated for years. But to continue to spread this nonsense that Rangers ''don't exist'' or ''Rangers died'' is a pure insult to such a great club. Rangers have contributed more to Scottish football with a challenge than you's have without one. That's the truth. The fact is you support a club that have been handed a head start and pretend you's are somehow the biggest, and the best. Never gonna happen. When Rangers do get back to strength Scottish football will be back to normal. Until then it's a fake pretend Irish team trying to pretend they got a 2nd 9iar, pretend Rangers don't exist to claim top spot in titles, and pretend domiance means having no challenge for 4 years. You lot are pathetic, and bring shame to even claim yourselves to be Scottish! Your club belong in one place, and that's the Irish league! You're a disgrace to this nation.
If theRanjurz are the same Club why haven't they paid the monies that is owed to all the creditors.
Even to this day the word LIQUIDATION is still not thoroughly understood by rangers fans, I know the Scottish education has been questioned in recent times but it still not being explained pity really as the creditors are now skint
Only title won in front of absolutely no one
Still hurting you only got 8.75 in a row I see.
@RJBargee, yeah, the pain of winning 3-in-a-row, which includes one domestic TREBLE sandwiched in between two league and cup DOUBLES, is still very RAW for us!!! 🤣🤣🤣
So why did you stop 10 in a row, as you all said, lol@@RJBargee
@@johnoneil7235Stopped an asterisk 10iar
@@crs2385 so you did, like Dumbarton 👍
It's amazing that it's seen as an achievement to get back through the divisions... When they have premiership players going toe to toe with plumber... They only also got large numbers of supporters as the cult have nothing else to do other than... Rangers, their lives revolve around it
Your channel is about to be visited by some very angry bears brace yourself for the abuse you are dealing with forces unlike anything you have seen before 👀🍿🤣 HH 🍀🏆🏆
very scary movie 2.0?
Yeeeaaaa the bears are hibernating all summer 🍀🍀
oooooo there shaking in there boots
This video is factually inaccurate for like the entire video
You've literally just watched a video about the history of Rangers, which explained how the transfer of company ownership is a separation entity from the club itself and you STILL chose to perpetuate the lie that gives your life meaning 😂
Typical sex offender 💯
Poor research! Old Rangers were NOT relegated - do your research properly. They had to restart as a new club and apply for entry into Division 3.
I agree, surface level understanding of the matter at hand, just the kind of acceptance that The Rangers support can easily dupe with the continuity lie.
@@StrangeloveTheDoctor rather be a new club than a knew club.................
@jockkent87Dunn, Neely, Chalmers, Gough. Glass houses.87
@@jockkent8787 Not a new club. The sale of the club was put to bed long ago in the summer of 2012 as quoted
''The Rangers Football Club Plc ceased to be the owner, and operator of a football team in consequence of the SALE to Sevco Scotland Ltd by it's administrators on June 14th 2012 of substantially the whole of the business, and undertaking, including Rangers Football Club Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL provides''.
No the club had to apply for a new licence due to the expulsion of the club from the top flight due to uncertainty over the club's future however since this happened in the summer of 2012 the liquidation did not take place until October 2012. The club had already been sold to the newco on June 14th 2012 as stated via article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL. The sale of the club is confirmed in that statement so the club continued but since the expulsion had already taken place the club had to regain a licence to play football again. Bitterness from fans pressuring their board to vote against allowing Rangers back into the top flight is the reason why Rangers started the following season in the 3rd division. Nothing to do with the club itself. Do some research before you run you mouth like some bitter tim.
Liquidation 2 coming soon 🧟♂️🧟🧟♀️
Are they heading towards a financial crisis? They are already living one!
1) average losses since their formation in 2012 are 10M per year
2) these losses are being carried by directors that will eventually tap out
3) when compared to Celtic;
- few tradable assets, as their squad value is about 60% of Celtics
- with 10,000 fewer seats their match day revenues will never be close
- they are still way behind in terms of their other revenue streams
- their summer rebuild will be nowhere near good enough to win the SPFL
- they will maybe have Europa not Champions League money for the foreseeable future
4) the good news - nobody will lose money the next time they go bust
- the tax man is keeping them on a short leash
- they have very few trade creditors as payment terms are set based on risk
- they have no lenders other than directors, as credit lines are unavailable
Talking out your back end. Been coming away with this made up nonsense for years. If the club was ''fOrMeD iN 2012'' then why would the tax man be interested in a club you claim doesn't exist or you claim as ''no historic connection'' to Rangers today? Tims always contradict themselves with this sort of made up drivel all the time. Because yous know we're the same club WATP 🤣🤣🤣
@@crs2385 Your rebuttal of my points is the "tax man" connection? Okay, so here we go...
1) It's not a question of "IF" the club was formed in 2012. The new entity, Sevco Scotland, WAS formed in 2012.
2) The club already existed and was in the process of being liquidated for the benefit of creditors that had been stiffed.
3) The old club was actually one of the votes in the process of allowing the new club admission to the 4th tier of Scottish football.
4) Once the nonsense of immediate admission to the top tier was dealt with, the members of the SPFL agreed to transfer a "vacant" membership to your new club.
5) Your new club was admitted (ahead of other candidates) to the league on a provisional basis in order to complete the first round proper of Scottish Cup games on schedule in Jul/Aug 2012.
6) Having secured a place in the 3rd division, your new club acquired the assets of the old club in a closed bid process
7) This did not include ANY players. Why? Because the players registrations were held by the old club and could not be acquired as assets, unless of course there was an agreement to pay transfer fees to the old club that held their registrations for the benefit of the creditors.
8) Those players who did want to stay at Ibrox did so under TUPE provisions and then agreed new contracts with their new employer.
9) They had to agree new contracts with the new employer because the old ones were no longer valid and new club had a new tax ID
10) Ergo, the only connection to the tax man. However, let's be very clear about my point here. The Inland Revenue Service have no right to scrutinize a new entity because of a connection to a former entity that cheated them out of many millions of pounds, but, they are also not stupid. Independent of this connection, they will be well aware of how your club is financed, public information after all, and they will be making sure that your annual, interim and PAYE tax filings are all being completed on time and paid in full. Obviously the club makes a never ending loss, so corporate taxes are nominal, it will be the VAT and PAYE filings that they are tracking.
So in conclusion, and to return to the real question, is the club once again in financial trouble?
Well, that depends.
The club is on the UEFA watch list for a reason, and that will not change without positive and corrective action.
The club either needs to live within its means, break-even or better, or otherwise there will be potential UEFA sanctions.
That is the greatest single risk to the club as UEFA revenue is the only thing that vaguely keeps the business close to being financially viable.
However, if the club accepts its place in a traditional merit system, does not overspend in an attempt to affect the natural order, then there is no reason why the business should ever be in financial trouble. So, yes, YATP and let's hope that you can accept survival is better than what happened last time #loweryourexpectations
@gedinte Okay, so allot of nonsense to debunk. There's allot to get through so let's tackle this one bit at a time.
'' It's not a question of "IF" the club was formed in 2012. The new entity, Sevco Scotland, WAS formed in 2012.''
This is false, and has been put to bed by the governing bodies.
Firstly the club wasn't formed in 2012, the new company was. The new company was formed in 2012. Predated by the history and the club. The club indeed also predates the formation of the oldco, 1899.
The club itself was saved. This is confirmed via the sale agreement which was cited via Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL which reads the following:
''The Rangers Football Club Plc ceased to be the owner, and operator of a football team in consequence of the SALE to Sevco Scotland Ltd by it's administrators on June 14th 2012 of substantially the whole of the business, and undertaking, including Rangers Football Club Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL provides''.
What was set up is the newco which, as shown above, as used as a corporate entity with a clean financial slate as a means to buy the club over from the oldco which allows the club to continue whilst allowing the original corporate entity to liquidate whilst preserving the club under a newco.
''The club already existed and was in the process of being liquidated for the benefit of creditors that had been stiffed''
False. On June 14th 2012 the oldco hadn't even entered the liquidation process yet. The liquidation process of the oldco didn't take place until October 31st 2012. This happened four and a half months after the club had moved out of that company. Additionally HMRC have been quoted on the matter specifically stating the liquidation as follows:
''Moreover the liquidation route does not prejudice the proposed sale of the football club. The sale can take place either through a CVA or liquidation''.
Which is indeed what happened on June 14th 2012.
Additionally this has been stated via Administrator Paul Clark stating that
''The company will be passed into liquidation. But just to stress the club will have already been sold, and moved out of the company by then, and then BDO will be appointed at liquidators at some later date.''
Indeed, based on the timeline of events, this is consistent with the timescale of the club being sold to the newco prior to the oldco entering liquidation on October 31st 2012.
Furthermore Paul Clark adds:
''The history of the club will remain with the club. So the club moves from Rangers PLC into the new company, and all of the titles, and all of the 140 year history history will remain with the club. And that was part of the two stage process that we set up with Charles all those weeks ago to ensure the club itself will remain.''
@@gedinte 'The old club was actually one of the votes in the process of allowing the new club admission to the 4th tier of Scottish football.''
Half true. Indeed Rangers still held a right to vote in the summer of 2012. This vote was cast to ensure the club would play football the following season once it moved into the new company. Hence why Rangers had a right to vote however it wasn't voting for another club. It was voting for itself under the conditions the club would play the following season when it was operating under the newco. Basically the club was voting for itself to be accepted in conjunction with moving the SFA membership over thus ensuring the club could continue under a new company as there was another company that was buying the rights of the club over as confirmed above.
''Once the nonsense of immediate admission to the top tier was dealt with, the members of the SPFL agreed to transfer a "vacant" membership to your new club..Your new club was admitted (ahead of other candidates) to the league on a provisional basis in order to complete the first round proper of Scottish Cup games on schedule in Jul/Aug 2012.''
Okay so this is where the greatest misunderstandings/common misconceptions come with people who argue this case. New membership/vacant membership was a consquence of the club facing expulsion from the top flight. This took place during the summer of 2012, and indeed before the liquidation process in the Autumn. As we understand the timeline of events dictating the sale in the summer we can rule out the liquidation as a means to new membership. So what are we left with? Simple. When Rangers were in administration at the end of the 2011/12 season we, like any club in admin at the end of the season, face a scinario of expulsion from the league. This detail is key. Why? Because when Rangers faced expulsion from the top flight we lost our footballing licence. Directly this had an impact on Rangers playing football. The impact wasn't liquidation as the timeline dictates the liquidation took place much later. As it was a licence issue the newco bought the club over, and tried to get our premiership share accepted, and this was voted against. When the club regained a new licence we were given associate membership as a consequence of having to re-enter the leagues. In this circumstance the club was unharmed but without a league so tried to get back into the league but was voted against. In other words had the club not faced ejection due to the uncertainty at that time we wouldn't have been kicked out. The associate membership was purely only down to ejection from the league in a consequence of uncertainty over the future of where the club would end up, which at the time was up in the air. Since the club was sold to the newco we had already lost our place in the top flight hence why we had to re-enter the league, and indeed had our SFA membership transferred over to ensure the club would keep playing football.
So if the club Rangers were ''liqudated'' then why did the club get sold to the newco four and a half months before the oldco entered the liqudation process? Answer me that one. Because based on the timeline that doesn't make any logical sense from your pov.
@@gedinte ''Having secured a place in the 3rd division, your new club acquired the assets of the old club in a closed bid process''
Actually the new company acquired the assets and the football club as stated via Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL, Paul Clark administrator states the club was part of the sale to the newco, additionally Lord Nimmo Smith's legal comission states the club was sold to the newco along with the governing bodies, and the ECA. Again, this is a myth folk like yourself continue to spin but has already been refuted by the footballing authorities across the continent.
I go on....
''This did not include ANY players. Why? Because the players registrations were held by the old club and could not be acquired as assets, unless of course there was an agreement to pay transfer fees to the old club that held their registrations for the benefit of the creditors.''
Right, your confusion is showing here. I'll need to elaborate to you what it means to have contracts with clubs, and how companies administer said club's contracts.
When you sign for a football club you sign on the condition of contracting with whatever company is operating that club. In Rangers case Rangers had a company administering these contracts from 1899-2012. The contracts were indeed present however not all transferred over. Why is this? Let me explain, as you seem to argue this from a black and white pov. A company administers the contracts and wages for staff and players who play for the club. The old company administered the contracts from 1899-2012. And indeed a newco was set up as a company to continue to administer those contracts for the club. However administering contracts for a club isn't the same as the club itself. When the club was sold to the newco this put the contracts in a corporate limbo. What does this mean exactly? Well the mid transition of those contracts from one company to another resulted in a limbo during the transition hence why players could leave for free. This limbo was due to the mid transition which meant that the contracts for the club aswell as the club itself wasn't being administered by any business during the transition period. Hence why players could leave if they wanted. To sum this up in simple terms for you, contracts and indeed the business rights, and football clubs are all operated by whatever corporate structure owns and runs them. To administer the contracts is a legal identity case but this goes for operating clubs, brands, buisiness rights ect ect. Indeed when one signs for a club they indeed sign for that club but it must be done through whatever company/corporate identity owns them. Since Rangers FC had moved out of the oldco there was no company to administer said contracts for that club thus why they had to move to a newco. The company administers the contracts, like whatever company would administer anything relating to business or footballing rights. This is purely an argument based on how companies administer contracts rather than the club itself.
''Those players who did want to stay at Ibrox did so under TUPE provisions and then agreed new contracts with their new employer.''
Under TUPE conditions you could stay if you wished. TUPE dictated, what i already argued, was down to the transition period which put the contracts in limbo due to a newco administering the clubs contracts. But i'll not repeat myself.
''They had to agree new contracts with the new employer because the old ones were no longer valid and new club had a new tax ID''
No the contracts actually got carried over, in terms of the players who wanted to remain at Rangers. No the new tax ID was regarding the newco that purchased the club. Finance issues regarding tax, wages, bills ect are administered by the company. Whilst this can have an effect on the club through a continuation it allows anything relating to corporate or tax issues to change even if the club moves to a newco.
''Ergo, the only connection to the tax man. However, let's be very clear about my point here. The Inland Revenue Service have no right to scrutinize a new entity because of a connection to a former entity that cheated them out of many millions of pounds, but, they are also not stupid. Independent of this connection, they will be well aware of how your club is financed, public information after all, and they will be making sure that your annual, interim and PAYE tax filings are all being completed on time and paid in full. Obviously the club makes a never ending loss, so corporate taxes are nominal, it will be the VAT and PAYE filings that they are tracking.''
Rangers actually profited last season so based on the previous annual accounts the club isn't making a loss as things stand. Additionally you seem to argue one way regarding ''no right to scrutinize a new entity'' Whilst making a case for there being a ''connection''. Well which is it? I'm not gonna take you seriously if you're trying to have your cake and eat it. This is just fabricated self contradicting ramblings on your part i'm afraid.
''The club is on the UEFA watch list for a reason, and that will not change without positive and corrective action.
The club either needs to live within its means, break-even or better, or otherwise there will be potential UEFA sanctions.''
This is a lie also. The club came off the UEFA watch list a good year or two ago. As for the claim of needing the break even otherwise sanctions? No, sanctions come due to financial mismanagement. Not lack of breaking even, which FYI, due to last years accounts, contradicts such arguments. On that basis Rangers are in no situation regarding sanctions from UEFA.
''That is the greatest single risk to the club as UEFA revenue is the only thing that vaguely keeps the business close to being financially viable.
However, if the club accepts its place in a traditional merit system, does not overspend in an attempt to affect the natural order, then there is no reason why the business should ever be in financial trouble. So, yes, YATP and let's hope that you can accept survival is better than what happened last time #loweryourexpectations''
Considering Rangers have been regulars in Europe, including reaching the last 16 regularly in recent years. I would worry more about your own club who cannot seem to hack it in UEFA's competitions. Look closer to home. As for lowering expectations? Dream on. WATP
Still peddling this "relegation" myth. You can't get relegated 3 divisions. A new club was formed and had to apply for membership, hence why they had to start at the bottom tier.
It's not rocket science.
Total Pish. Doesnt even mention the Chewbaccery going on right now about the building works at Ibrokes that we have been told are 'delayed' due to shipping issues from China.
Informed sources claim that this is purely a PR position taken to preserve season ticket sales and that there are much more serious issues involved.
And
The Rangers (new co) have no claims to the achievements of Rangers FC (old co) which was Liquidated and ceased to exist in 2012.
The football club is Ranger FC. Irrelevant of the new company. This matter has already been setteled. I suggest you take your anti Rangers arrogance and bugger off. The new company bought the club over before the liquidation process even began.
Lots of incorrect information in there not least of all "relegation". Rangers where not relegated, they went bust and died. That is what liquidation means. It wasn't a new company, it was an entirely new club, new name, new licence and new share in the SPL. 1899 was the year that Ranges became "incorporated" that is, the club and the company are one in the same. When liquidation came, the club didn't survive, this is a myth and was later introduced by the media to sooth the fans and make them feel better about themselves and the club. Everyone knows it's a lie.
It's not a myth at all. Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL reads the club was sold on June 14th 2012. Hardly a media myth. The liquidation of the oldco didn't take place until October 31st 2012, and by then the club had already moved out of the oldco. So no, the club didn't die. Stop lying
Fantastic video!
However Rangers weren't relegated to the 4th tier.
They entered the league system in the 4th tier.
From the comments, If this video was made simply as click bait for obsessed and paranoid Pacific Shelfians, Then has worked.
Say that name all you want, that's when Fergus McCann paid off all the debts and restructured Celtic management to avoid LIQUIDATION, unlike yourselves who are heading in that direction again, can't wait till jelly & ice-cream time again :) RIP SEVCO
Jelly n ice cream part 2
They died in 2012,that's what happened to Rangers!
No the club did not die. The rights where bought over thus preserving the club, and saving it from extinction. The sale of the club was made to the newco on June 14th 2012 which states the following ''The Rangers Football Club Plc ceased to be the owner, and operator of a football team in consequence of the SALE to Sevco Scotland Ltd by it's administrators on June 14th 2012 of substantially the whole of the business, and undertaking, including Rangers Football Club Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL provides''.
@@crs2385 Died 2012
@@johnwilson6779 That isn't a counter argument.
@@crs2385
Same club?
THEN PAY YOUR DEBTS.
@@pato2200 The debts don't need to be paid because the club is now owned and operated under a new company with a clean financial slate. This is a loophole that allowes the dept of the old company to face the financial strain whilst allowing the club to continue under a new company. Yes, you can have it both ways.
Short term goals of winning the league has not lead them to a better financial footing, additional revenue streams, excess dividends to directors, excess salaries to underperforming players. Etc
Jelly and ice cream anyone
thats what the coaches at parkeed offered the kids
@@williamsafari6437Willy you are obsessed with kids
You just can't get enough jelly and ice cream 🇮🇪🍀🇮🇪
@@williamsafari6437you let your club die, you let your club die, glasgow sevco you let your club die 😂😂
They werent relegated they were liquidated and entered 4th tier as a new club.
Tell us about all the recent successes since 2012 that you keep mentioning please.
The Old Firm died with Rangers in 2012
Wrong! The club didn't die in 2012. The club was saved when Green's consortium bought the rights to Rangers on June 14th 2012 as follows
''The Rangers Football Club Plc ceased to be the owner, and operator of a football team in consequence of the SALE to Sevco Scotland Ltd by it's administrators on June 14th 2012 of substantially the whole of the business, and undertaking, including Rangers Football Club Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL provides''.
Oh and FYI Rangers and Celtic both renew the Old Firm trademark to this day.
@@crs2385the club wasn't saved. Stop continuing with this outright lie. Rangers oldco died in 2012. Look up Scottish Insolvency law. You want to keep the history of oldco but don't want to pay the debts of oldco. Good try son
@@GlasgowCelticforever1888 I laugh and strain my head at your comment mate. You claim the club isn't the same when in the same vein of argument bang on about the old company. No one disputes a new company now operates Rangers. No one denies that. The newco bough the club over to save the club. This is called sporting continuation which allows the preservation of the club. As UEFA about sporting continuation. They will laugh at you if you try to tell them they're wrong about it because UEFA permit this very action in persuit of club preservation. You are the only who continues to spout lies and claim ''rAnGeRs ArE dEaD''. Never gonna happen pal. You'd think by now folk of your mindset would focus on your own club, but even after 12 years of this myth you're still spreading it. Grow up.
@@crs2385 I will assume your referring to Celtic FC renewing ownership of the ‘Old Firm’ brand, the brand that Michael Nicholson renews on a yearly basis as part of Celtic FC part ownership in the 'Old Firm' trademark, by doing so this enables Celtic FC to control the benefits of the use of that brand name, and more importantly to prevent it’s misuse by others, including the New Rangers. The historical use of the ‘Old Firm’ trademark is a very viable business commodity which is in Celtic interest to manage, and will continue to do so, regardless of the brand becoming clinically redundant in 2012. Celtic FC stated publicly during the last renewal process that Celtic are not half of anything, as much as the New Rangers want them to be. New Rangers were quoted as 'holding onto Celtics shirt tails' with regards to the term 'Old Firm'. Shame really.
@@dan2665 If Celtic aren't ''half of anything'' then they wouldn't renew something they don't believe exists. If it's renewed then it exists. You cannot claim one thing whilst doing the other. That's called hypocrisy, and using hypocrisy is not gonna ground your point. It's a poor basis for debate/argument. As for ''nEw RaNgErS''. I suggest you do some re-search. The club isn't new. The club was sold to a new company, and that new company indeed operates the same club. How do we know this? Because the sale of the club to the new company was made on June 14th 2012 as cited here:
''The Rangers Football Club Plc ceased to be the owner, and operator of a football team in consequence of the SALE to Sevco Scotland Ltd by it's administrators on June 14th 2012 of substantially the whole of the business, and undertaking, including Rangers Football Club Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL provides''.
So we've established your argument/form of debate is based on using an excample that undermines your claim whilst contradicts the very thing your club claim ''not to be apart of'' and you continue to spread the ''new Rangers'' nonsense like you lot have been trying to make stick for 12 years. Honestly, if this is your attempt at coherent discussion then you're doing a terrible job of it. Try harder next time.
Clearly a lot of effort has gone into this piece so why fudge some issues.
The club was liquidated.
Recent titles were won whilst teabsgressing rules concerning contracts and registration.
Even if the league titles of both Rangers clubs ard combined they total 54 outright titles, equal to Celtic.
What a load of flowery pish. Rangers went into administration and liquidation. Their assets were sold. Their players did walking away.
I supposed Bjorn Again have had 14 number ones ?
Let's have fun 🍀🤟
We do with our 55 titles! 🔵
The huns should have been forced to start again in amateur divisions
Oh well
Only the new tribute act can die this time .
This video is an embarrassment. Honestly you'd think we were on the brink. The club is doing fine off the pitch. It's on the pitch that the club is struggling.
@@ColinSweeney-zm1qp It's called a stadium expansion. Rangers aren't homeless because we, unlike a club from the east end, actually own Ibrox mate. Your stadium doesn't even belong to you. The coop own it! Meanwhile we will be playing at Murrafield for the first 4 of 5 homes games. I'm happy with that.
Are they really, how's the steel situation going these days. 🤣🤣🤣
@crs2385 Celtic FC £145,000,000 in the bank,Zombies £0.
About to be hammered for using Murrayfield ,Edminston House a mess,can't sign any new players over £5,000,000 add the cost of the work being done, wonderful news. 🤣🤣🤣💚🤍🧡
@@crs2385 You speak utter nonsense, as the only piece of paradise Celtic don’t own is the airspace over the adjacent eastern necropolis (cemetery to you) due to the North stand overhang..........🤦♂
@@tonyhendrix8075 and see what happens when they were at murrayfield lol they got up to the usual scumbag antics running around slateford rd wearing balaclavas lol is really that embarrising to be a currant bun 😂😂😂
The irony is that they got shafted by the crown.
Pmsl RIP RFC thanks for the memories. Will never forget the day the fans let the club die 😂🪦🍊🧟♂️
Aye, you wish. Our club will never die WATP 🔴⚪🔵
Lets get a bit of factuality in this video, the club was not relegated, the old club was liquidated, a new club was formed and the scottish football authorities bent the rules to allow the new pheonix club to take a place in the scottish league pyramid.
Wrong! The club wasn't liquidated. If you even knew what you were talking about you'd understand the timeline of events regarding the club being bought over by the newco, and the oldco going into liquidation much later.
The sale of the club from the oldco to the newco has already been cited via the SPL:
'The Rangers Football Club Plc ceased to be the OWNER, and operator of a football team in consequence of the SALE to Sevco Scotland Ltd by it's administrators on June 14th 2012 of substantially the whole of the business, and undertaking, including RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL provides''.
''The old club was liquidated''
False. This was a licence issue. Not a club change issue. I'll break this down for you so it's easy for you to understand.
You are referring to a football licence which Rangers lost due to expulsion from the top flight. They got demoted through the following stages regarding the old licence no longer coming into effect. Before you say ''Oh but a new licence means a new club''. No, at least not in this case. When Rangers were in administration, and the future was uncertain, we, like all clubs in admin at the end of a season, are ejected from the league, and due to the uncertainty around the club's future the SPL took no risk, and we got booted out, this caused us to lose our licence. Charles Green's consortium then bought over the rights, and the club was then owned by Sevco however we where without a league so we had to reapply for a licence to play football again, and in doing so attempted to have our premiership share transferred over to the new company so the club could then return to the top league, this was voted against, and instead it was accepted in the lower leagues. In other words had be not been ejected from the top flight we wouldn't have lost our licence, but since that happened we had to regain one. That's why we couldn't play in Europe for 3 years. . However liquidation did not result in such eventualities because the liquidation of the old company took place four, and a half months after the club was sold to the newco and indeed after the club was kicked out the top flight. So the timeline dictates the club wasn't effected in the sale or the licence change due to Green's consortium buying the club as cited by Article 6 of the Articles of Associations of the SPL.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 oh my fkn sides , you nearly had me with the jiggery pokery they swapped this and that but alas Rancid died but listen We'll play along incase you keep hurting and after all being Scotland's 2nd most successful team ain't bad . @@crs2385
@@TheMerchantOfTruth You know that's nonsense. But if you wanna pretend Rangers don't exist then go for it. You'll never kill us off. You lot may be on top at the moment but it won't last.
Glasgow rangers disappeared forever.......
Aye....you wish
@@crs2385
What bit don't you understand it was said by a sitting MP in parliament that Glasgow rangers disappeared forever...
@@kato....... An MP isn't an expert on football clubs. Article 6 of the articles of associations of the SPL confirmed the club was sold to the new company. All the major governing bodies have confirmed the club is the same. Have to say, you're one of the few people i've came across that takes what a politician say's a face value. Niavety at it's finest.
@@crs2385
Keep telling yourself that you Muppet 🦍
@@crs2385
Dreamer 🦍
Click Bait BS..............are you Phil the Gobbler in disguise ?
Your kind of on the right path with this video, they are still a dead club
Unlike you who's on the wrong path. Still the same club
If you go along with the survival lie then rangers are Scotland's second most successful club , and that's not bad !! .
Do one about the 50 year paedophile ring cover up at Celtic football club that involved 9 men connected to the club being convicted with over 500 victims! Do one on that as it's a much much bigger and controversial story than dodging tax 👍
Liquidation is the rangers.
I love how triggered some people get. ! Newco. Sevco etc. 😂
This is a nothing puff piece which provides little detail on how The Rangers are in financial difficulty. TH-cam click bait.
what recent successes
If Rangers arent then same club the how come this guy just said they hadnt won a title in over a decade and how come the governing bodies helped them celebrate over 150 years of history? And how come they havent been stripped of any titles. And the kicker. HOW COME SEPTIC TRADE MARKED THE NAME OLD FIRM IN 2021 ? 😂😂😂😂
You know…they died.
@@paulritchie5868 Hahah, aye, okay Paul. Sure 😂
Don’t start watching until 8 minutes
Just here for the comments !
notice a trend in these comments a lot of obsessed mutants
The truth hurting the sevconians ehhh? 😂
You forgot to mention the tax dodging.
Yeah how would they have 55 titles to their name
Garbage. Have a look at Celtics Child Abuse case?
How many employees imprisoned for abusing children. Celtic then forced 22 victims to take a class action. These 22 men have not forced Celtic to admit the abuse, only after forcing the 22 and the others who have had to apply to the Scottish Child Abuse Eedress system
The question is now. Have Celtic, by denying the Abuse brought the Scottish game into disrepute?
Neely and Dunn old dead club no claim because they said nothing to do with sevco...
@@kato....... Don't forget John Chalmer, Baxter Cavan and Kenneth Watson.
Once you mentioned relegation instead of Liquidation i turned it off… you cannot be relegated from the first division to the 4th division in one go! , therefore you lost all credibility.🤥
Judging by the comments, Rangers were always and will always be alive and well, in the heads of Celtic fans.
Their first championship ever under Gerrard btw. Get it right!
Our 55 championship, get it right!
Wtf is yhis guy talking about....rangers have recent success....3 trophies in how many years ffs, theyre pish, end of conversation, and linfield have won more league titles than them. 😂😂😂 absolute laughing stock
Forever blue 💙
Celtic fans hit an instant hard one with this title, how’s ur kids?
Don't bother them, mate, they're still applying ample amounts of Sudocrem 😂
So many Celtic fans will be aroused at this video …. Better hide your kids everyone you know what Celtic is like
Great to see youse in meltdown. Celtic now the most successful club in Scotland. Round ye
@@GlasgowCelticforever1888 still wrong but kl pedo asterisk fc
Knob, how about talking about football?
@@gerlar67 mad how instead of being accountable and saying “ yes , it’s horrible what happened in our history and now our fans will do everything to ensure this kind of evil never finds a way into our club on such a massive scale ever again” .. but instead all you hear is some shite about Gordon Neely , who was reported to the police and removed from his position at rangers , the police were the ones who did nothing about “feely Neely” as you Celtic fans so affectionately call him … there were 3 instances in the history of rangers all of which ended with people being removed and reported to the authorities… your clubs history has over 430 child victims , which were swept under the proverbial rug by everyone at your club , including some of celtics “greatest heroes” …. Your clubs history isn’t the trophies it has won, it’s about the damage it has done …the point is you can deflect deflect deflect all you want … doesn’t change the fact that your football club is most likely the biggest pedo operation to exist in sports history and Scottish history
@@JamesBeattie-lz9ccyour talking bollocks bun…
Not relegated- demoted!
What success 1 title 1 Scottish cup 1 league Cup in 12 yrs 😂😂😂😂
The new club has 1 title🧟♂️🧟🧟♀️
Nope, you are wrong! We have 55! You will always come second after us, that's your destiny!
Strange seeing a Rangers video and most comments are from Celtic fans if Rangers died why are they here?
@@PepRex Obsessed imagine being champions and still seething because you come up short. 😂
@@PepRex Sherlock Holmes I'm not hiding my colours my original comment was about Celtic if anyone is hiding that they are a Celtic fan it's you now do one.
@@PepRex If Rangers really ''died'' then why are you so interested in trying to confirm it based on your conscious bias? The governing bodies have put the matter to bed. Rangers didn't die. The club was bought by Green's consortium.
@@PepRexYou're so daft. The club has always been called 'The Rangers Football Club' since May 1872. And no the club did not due. Green's consortium bought the club over
@@PepRexYes it was formed as a business consortium to save the club and keep the club existing with a clean financial slate
EBTs just saying
You mean, Excuse Bitching Tim's, = EBT's
Your channel is clickbait nonsense.
Rangers are dead and what's left of their new club isn't even funny. There is no longer any competition in Scotland for Celtic. It's been a pretty boring 12 years. Next year the mutants wont even be able to shout about 55 lol as if one more is somehow fucking astounding. Rangers need a Fergus McCann but they seem to keep getting woeful charlatans. If rangers2 ever contend for the league title again in Scotland I'll be in awe. Their managers don't seem to understand the game judging from the players they keep at the club who, although they love the club are killing it by playing sh1te consistently. Everyone can bitch and moan but it is true.
Rangers got Charles Green to save the club. The club was saved when the newco bought the club over on the 14th of June 2012.
Most successful club my arse, they make records up, Celtic have left yous very far behind
Gerrards impact was far from immediate hahaha ffs dont make me laugh!
Absolutely nothing.
This video is a lot of pish, any facts at all?
Hurting son? Celtic, the most successful club in Scotland
@@GlasgowCelticforever1888 not really bud, just a terrible video!
Club Football is corrupt af
A football club never dies, the businesses company changes that's all.
Exactly
Ha ha ha ha a football club never dies? So what happened to third lanark? Rangers FC Died in 2012 which meant they couldn't be held accountable for the millions they owed to creditor's. Good try son
@@GlasgowCelticforever1888 No Rangers never died. Just like Wigan Athletic, Hull FC, Hibernian, Leeds, Fiorentina, Parma ect all continued when a newco bought the clubs over. This is called sporting continuation which UEFA permit regarding the preservation of a great club.
@@GlasgowCelticforever1888
Glasgow rangers disappeared forever......
Rangers playing license expired in 2012. Sevco 5088 had to apply for a new one. First game played under the licensed name Sevco.
Hence Rangers did not exist at that point.
Clubs deed. Deal with it. Yer a tribute act, and a sh*te one at that
There was that, the 'global banking crisis' (TM) affected Rangers' bank badly more than anything. Under a new bank (Lloyd's) the proverbial hit the fan as they were paranoid about their own sustainability.
What a pile of absolute nonsense!
Hail Hail the Celtic and the women Celtic are well Hail Hail 📢🇮🇳🫶🥇🏆🙌🙌📢🇮🇳🫶🥇🏆🥇🏆🙌🙌👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😄👍👌
Gers bias version 😮😂
Absolutely fantastic jelly ice cream part 2 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Poor.
On 11th October,1994 The Celtic and Athletic Football Club was born.
Fergus McCann no getting away from this.
Company check.
Feel free everyone to see the name of this mhob there.
😢 na only kiddin 😅🎉
SEVCO ....!
Haha 'relegated' sure
Total clickbait and fodder for our adversaries."What if I told you that Rangers were on the verge of collapse again"? What if I said, show us proof? You have the accounts? A lot is public knowledge. All I heard was complete supposition.Opinion.Embarrassing.
They died. They’ve won 1 title in their history since 2012. How the media cover this lie up is beyond me. Scotlands shame and always will be.
Rangers have never been relegated! They were put into administration, then, were LIQUIDATED. Something completely different, it would take a week to educate you about the real history of "Rangers", and its nothing like what you've been told, obviously by the new Rangers.
Oh stop lying you pleb. Honestly, 12 years of this nonsense and you still cannot accept reality. Instead you sit on your dull bitter agenda. There's no new Rangers.
sheeet club
😂😂Dodo Fc