Thanks for making this video on wing size, handholds, shape of wings, other features (diagonal hold on the wasp) and what wing for the type of activity
Excellent video.... I had so many questions on wings and you have absolutely answered them all... I'll go check part2 now to get all my questions answered on the foils
This is so similar when in 1983/4 when windsurfing for the masses exploded with foot straps. Then in the next five years they added fully retractable dagger boards, sliding mast tracks and differing hull shapes. The sails went from baggy and triangular to fully battened and high aspect ratio (and bloody expensive). In 1984, as single man with no commitments, I bought and sold 4 different boards searching for nirvana and following cheque book fashion. I now find myself listening to a very similar description of an up and coming sport changing faster than my wallet.... I’ll dip a toe in when I’m 65... Damn am I really that old 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
Never too old Phil. Agree with you and hope it doesn't go that way. This video wasn't meant to make it sound like it ether, but the brands will always come up with gear to try and have an edge over another which sometimes will drive the price up. One thing that we see happen which will be very different to the windsurfing days is ...China! We know quite a few cheaper price point brands already going to bring prices of the wings down in the future. They may never be as competitive in performance but that cheaper price point for the whole set up is coming to the industry. This may keep the price down in someway. So watch this space. And also I feel it doesn't have to be as technical as windsurfing either but I might change my mind in the future if I get on some epic New GEAR :-) lol. Thanks for comment, let's see what happens. Reuben
Haha! This brings back memories. I got my first windsurfer-an O'Brien board (still have it!) in I think, '87. Also bought a 'short board' - 9' O'Brien in March of '88 (still have it!). Until recently, I thought nobody windsurfs anymore. I recently started taking kitesurfing lessons and now am looking into winging. Thanks for stirring up the memory pot - a lot floated to the top!
Should pay the bills as a job too for me, a few of them anyway. Tough here. Its a nice warm holiday spot too. Skiing in through switser is a good road trip, like bond, with the laser tag guns to the awaiting transport. Good tourism model. Need to save up enough for a pallet of old lambic strawberry ale, and some great nursery stock.
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus this is brilliant. Was wanting to start by using my old inflatable SUP but $1500 for a wing is insane money, especially when your not sure of what to buy.
Just tried the Wasp 6m. Seems like it flutters in neutral. Want to try the S25, and the Armstrong 5.5. I am new but I think I prefer the Y handles. To get the kite wing in the right wind angle, just allows for more trimming handling options. Excellent advice and video.
Hey Matthew, Yes those wings have all the basic same looser camber feel (ability to flatten off). We are in the mid of testing them all at the moment and it very interesting the differences they all have. Thanks Reuben
Hallo, I'm almost 61, nevertheless each time I see some video of wingfoiling I get that feeling of wanting to go out and try it. I live close to a lake where I can do it. I have only experience with watersports as SUP, kayak and Catamaran sailing. No skateboard, snowboarding or any foil experience at all. As I live in Belgium winter is almost here. With that this is a time that people sell boards, foils and wings as they want to progress in smaller and better gear next year. There is no store anywhere close to my location, no place to rent or try out some gear. Best, and probably only way, to start is buying my own gear and go out learning with try and error till I get it. I now have the opportunity to buy some good 2e hand gear. Not much to find here either. But what to buy ? I want to buy something I can start with as a newbie but can keep for longer without having to sell, with loss, and buy new. I already bought a wing, Cabrinha X2 6m and a foil, Shinn 82cm mast, 1950cm² front wing. Now I have to decide on a board. I've the choice between a Starboard X wing 145 or a Fanatic Sky 110 So one has more volume, the other a 20cm shorter and relative significantly lighter. What to take ? I'm 175cm tall a d about 82Kg (in shorts !) Oh yes, so for lake conditions. More volume, more buoyancy, more stability, more drag, more sticky on the water, ... needs more speed to lift on foil ? Less volume, takes longer to learn, less water contact surface, faster lift ... ? So ... 145 or 11o Liter board ? (I tried 2x on my SUP but that I won't do anymore as I got downwind way to fast and to far, plus only a short part of walk of shame is possible walking in the water (not on shore) as other part is deeper than standing depth)
Hi Neo, Glad to hear you are just about to get into winging. You have already got yourself a good wing and foil setup. When it comes to the board its a hard choice. The Starboard X wing is more setup for windsurf foiling as well. It will be quite long and have more weight because of this. But you will find this board very stable and easy when you start but I feel you will grow out of it very quickly. The Fanatic is a board you will end up keeping for a much longer time BUT you will definitely find it harder to stand on when you start. A Sky at 125L would be ideal. So it all comes down to how much harder you don't mind going at the start of your wing foiling journey. If you were happy to take your time and start of in light winds and maybe have a slower learning curve at the beginning then you could go for the Sky 110. Getting used to just standing on a smaller board will be the biggest challenge. Once you start to fly on your foil the Fanatic will be fine. Hope that helps Thanks Reuben
Today, ... ugly weather, dark grey sky and rain with up and off wind. But happy with my progress. First time no walk of shame :-) Also I was able to do a few foot switch after turn on board without falling. I even got to do some pumping but still without success to get on foil.
Today, ... ugly weather, dark grey sky and rain with up and off wind. But happy with my progress. First time ne walk of shame :-) Also I was able to do a few foot switch after turn on board without falling. I even got to do some pumping but still without success to get on foil. Still not having enough balance for smaller board :-( nevertheless I do feel this 145 is heavy
Glad you feel like you are improving with each session. Sometimes the weather does get the better of us. Hoping you can score some nicer conditions and continue to improve.
Yeeeee, progress. Today first time I got the board off the water (3 times), for only 2-3sec, before crash boom bang. At least now I know I can do it, know where I need to put the mast in the rails and where to put my feet to engagé liftoff. Next keeping my balance, shifting my weight, to really go on foil and guide.
I was heavily into windsurfing, had thousands of dollars in equipment. Then kite surfing came around and I switched to beach catamarans. These wing foiling setups look fairly..relatively inexpensive. I did say they "look" inexpensive. Are they? How many boards and wings do you need to cover common sailing conditions?
Hey Mister. I know there's a lot of people getting into this sport now. And some are buying a lot of gear too. But unlike windsurfing you don't need loads of sails and boards. We are lucky to have loads of gear to use here at SUPboarder. But that doesn't mean I use it all... I use 1 x 5m wing and 1x95L board with a 1800cm foil for most of my conditions. Surf and flatwater. If the wind gets up or the swell gets bigger I will change the front foil for a smaller one, but that's it really. I wing in 10-25knts with that setup. If you want to have a really good range 2 wings a 4m and a 6m is a great combination. This will have you covered for most wing conditions. Hope that helps, Thanks Reuben
Awesome video thanks. Any thoughts on the Gong equipment? I'm looking to mainly to ride waves and live on the coast near Brighton. But there aren't any reviews of the Gong Plus. There are a few on the Pulse which say it's good but heavy.
Gong don't like giving out gear for review so thats why there isn't any reviews 😉. I have heard good and bad stuff about their gear. I have used a few Gong boards in the past and one foil. All seam well made and work well. I do hear mixed messages regarding customer service and board lifespan. But again some people say it's all fine and some people have had issues. The main problem is if you have an issue with the product you can't just go to the shop to get it sorted out. But they do seem to have a good range of products that will suit most riders. I hope that helps a little bit? thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag thank Ruben, its strange that they don’t want reviews if they believe in their equipment. It’s so annoying from a customers point of view to not have any 3rd party reviews. I’m going to send them a friendly message. I have a few gong sup board and they’re great.
Good question. Not so much, the only issue could be with shorter riders using big wings when not on the foil. Because the wings may be dragging at the wing tips in the water more. When on the foil this shouldn't be a problem. Any help? Reuben
a great video where is this lake? I live in the UK and my nearest water is on the Severn Estuary which has the 2 nd highest rise and fall in the world at 30m and with a beach that is very flat we do not have water very often last year I drove in my camper to Dakhla lagoon for 3 months but that year the wind was mostly off shore
This is filmed in an estuary in Cornwall. Tidal but not that much only a 6 m rise. Most coastal estuaries have really good wing potential over high tide. Maybe worth a search on google maps? Thanks Reuben
When you are moving and being powered by the wind, the board will feel more stable. But when you are standing still, it will be the same as if you were paddling, maybe slightly harder as you don't have a paddle to brace in the water. Hope this helps. Beau
Good comment John. We haven't use that many super cheap wings yet as they are just about hitting the market now. But I'm sure they will have their place and okay for first off getting into the sport. I will have to get back to you on that one ;-) Reuben
This is a coastal estuary near Torpoint in Cornwall. Its tidal so only works about 2 hrs over high water. Its nothing special there should be location all around the UK coast like this. Thanks Reuben
Hey Rudy. We made the video because of all the question we were getting from our SUPboarder readers about how to get into the wing side of the sport. Most are still using their same foils and boards as they paddleboard with in the surf. So it has some cross over. Hope that makes sense? We don't do that much wing stuff but still yes it link to some SUP gear. Don't worry I'm not turning into a full time winger. Thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag Thanks for your quick reply. Some people may prefer the repetition to increase their retention, but I like to think I don't need the duplication of information. That may be because I'm an experienced windsurfer that understands air and hydrodynamics. So while I encourage finding a balance towards shorter videos covering the same information, I don't know if that will serve everyone better!
I know crazy a.... but its true. If Im using a 2000cm front wing on the foil I can get up with the original 4m duotone wing, in 7-8knts. But this is with a lot of pumping! I hope you found video useful in some way. Happy winging Reuben
Thanks for making this video on wing size, handholds, shape of wings, other features (diagonal hold on the wasp) and what wing for the type of activity
You're very welcome.
Excellent video.... I had so many questions on wings and you have absolutely answered them all... I'll go check part2 now to get all my questions answered on the foils
Glad this video helps! Thanks for the comment, Beau
Thank you, it may be older but still really helpful for someone looking into this
Great stuff Thanks Leon
This is so similar when in 1983/4 when windsurfing for the masses exploded with foot straps. Then in the next five years they added fully retractable dagger boards, sliding mast tracks and differing hull shapes. The sails went from baggy and triangular to fully battened and high aspect ratio (and bloody expensive).
In 1984, as single man with no commitments, I bought and sold 4 different boards searching for nirvana and following cheque book fashion. I now find myself listening to a very similar description of an up and coming sport changing faster than my wallet....
I’ll dip a toe in when I’m 65... Damn am I really that old 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
Never too old Phil. Agree with you and hope it doesn't go that way. This video wasn't meant to make it sound like it ether, but the brands will always come up with gear to try and have an edge over another which sometimes will drive the price up.
One thing that we see happen which will be very different to the windsurfing days is ...China!
We know quite a few cheaper price point brands already going to bring prices of the wings down in the future. They may never be as competitive in performance but that cheaper price point for the whole set up is coming to the industry. This may keep the price down in someway.
So watch this space. And also I feel it doesn't have to be as technical as windsurfing either but I might change my mind in the future if I get on some epic New GEAR :-) lol.
Thanks for comment, let's see what happens. Reuben
Haha! This brings back memories. I got my first windsurfer-an O'Brien board (still have it!) in I think, '87. Also bought a 'short board' - 9' O'Brien in March of '88 (still have it!). Until recently, I thought nobody windsurfs anymore. I recently started taking kitesurfing lessons and now am looking into winging. Thanks for stirring up the memory pot - a lot floated to the top!
Should pay the bills as a job too for me, a few of them anyway. Tough here. Its a nice warm holiday spot too. Skiing in through switser is a good road trip, like bond, with the laser tag guns to the awaiting transport. Good tourism model. Need to save up enough for a pallet of old lambic strawberry ale, and some great nursery stock.
Absolutely bang on review, so looking forward to Pt2,
Thanks Dan
Awesome video!
Looking forward to part 2
Glad you enjoyed it!
Looking forward to part 2 and the wing test. Great work guys 🤘🇮🇪👊
Thanks Paul 😉👍🏼
Fantastic insights here man. I’m a newbie and this is gold.
Thats exactly what it was meant for, good to hear it.
Great update on wings. Great to find new ways to stay on the water. Wing choice is key. Thank you. Enjoy your Board Meetings.
Lovin ya work guys, answered all the questions I had ruining sound my Brain ;0). looking forward to future posts Tx
Glad to help. Thanks!
Great video thanks, can’t wait for part 2!!
fab
Thanks a lot, its really interesting for somebody who wants to start Wingfoiling!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus this is brilliant. Was wanting to start by using my old inflatable SUP but $1500 for a wing is insane money, especially when your not sure of what to buy.
Look out for more cheaper price point brands hitting the market soon. Package (boards and wings) price from $2000 will be coming. Thanks Reuben
Comprehensive and informative. Thanks. Thumbs up.
You're welcome!
Thanks for making this content. Really useful.
Glad it was helpful!
very good explanation
Glad you think so!
Just tried the Wasp 6m. Seems like it flutters in neutral. Want to try the S25, and the Armstrong 5.5. I am new but I think I prefer the Y handles. To get the kite wing in the right wind angle, just allows for more trimming handling options. Excellent advice and video.
Hey Matthew, Yes those wings have all the basic same looser camber feel (ability to flatten off). We are in the mid of testing them all at the moment and it very interesting the differences they all have. Thanks Reuben
Very good information!
Glad it was helpful!
Killer video. Thanks a ton.
Thanks Sam
Really great video. Thank you.
Glad you liked it!
I’ve learned a lot ! Thank you
Excellent!
Hallo,
I'm almost 61, nevertheless each time I see some video of wingfoiling I get that feeling of wanting to go out and try it.
I live close to a lake where I can do it.
I have only experience with watersports as SUP, kayak and Catamaran sailing. No skateboard, snowboarding or any foil experience at all.
As I live in Belgium winter is almost here. With that this is a time that people sell boards, foils and wings as they want to progress in smaller and better gear next year.
There is no store anywhere close to my location, no place to rent or try out some gear. Best, and probably only way, to start is buying my own gear and go out learning with try and error till I get it.
I now have the opportunity to buy some good 2e hand gear. Not much to find here either.
But what to buy ? I want to buy something I can start with as a newbie but can keep for longer without having to sell, with loss, and buy new.
I already bought a wing, Cabrinha X2 6m and a foil, Shinn 82cm mast, 1950cm² front wing.
Now I have to decide on a board. I've the choice between a Starboard X wing 145 or a Fanatic Sky 110
So one has more volume, the other a 20cm shorter and relative significantly lighter.
What to take ? I'm 175cm tall a d about 82Kg (in shorts !)
Oh yes, so for lake conditions.
More volume, more buoyancy, more stability, more drag, more sticky on the water, ... needs more speed to lift on foil ?
Less volume, takes longer to learn, less water contact surface, faster lift ... ?
So ... 145 or 11o Liter board ?
(I tried 2x on my SUP but that I won't do anymore as I got downwind way to fast and to far, plus only a short part of walk of shame is possible walking in the water (not on shore) as other part is deeper than standing depth)
Hi Neo, Glad to hear you are just about to get into winging. You have already got yourself a good wing and foil setup. When it comes to the board its a hard choice. The Starboard X wing is more setup for windsurf foiling as well. It will be quite long and have more weight because of this. But you will find this board very stable and easy when you start but I feel you will grow out of it very quickly.
The Fanatic is a board you will end up keeping for a much longer time BUT you will definitely find it harder to stand on when you start. A Sky at 125L would be ideal. So it all comes down to how much harder you don't mind going at the start of your wing foiling journey. If you were happy to take your time and start of in light winds and maybe have a slower learning curve at the beginning then you could go for the Sky 110. Getting used to just standing on a smaller board will be the biggest challenge. Once you start to fly on your foil the Fanatic will be fine. Hope that helps Thanks Reuben
Today, ... ugly weather, dark grey sky and rain with up and off wind. But happy with my progress. First time no walk of shame :-) Also I was able to do a few foot switch after turn on board without falling. I even got to do some pumping but still without success to get on foil.
Today, ... ugly weather, dark grey sky and rain with up and off wind. But happy with my progress. First time ne walk of shame :-) Also I was able to do a few foot switch after turn on board without falling. I even got to do some pumping but still without success to get on foil.
Still not having enough balance for smaller board :-( nevertheless I do feel this 145 is heavy
Glad you feel like you are improving with each session. Sometimes the weather does get the better of us. Hoping you can score some nicer conditions and continue to improve.
Yeeeee, progress. Today first time I got the board off the water (3 times), for only 2-3sec, before crash boom bang.
At least now I know I can do it, know where I need to put the mast in the rails and where to put my feet to engagé liftoff. Next keeping my balance, shifting my weight, to really go on foil and guide.
Thank you soo much
We're so glad this video helped you. Thanks for the comment. Beau
Excellent videos, where are you guys based?
Thanks Richard, we are based in South East Cornwall.
I was heavily into windsurfing, had thousands of dollars in equipment. Then kite surfing came around and I switched to beach catamarans. These wing foiling setups look fairly..relatively inexpensive. I did say they "look" inexpensive. Are they? How many boards and wings do you need to cover common sailing conditions?
Hey Mister. I know there's a lot of people getting into this sport now. And some are buying a lot of gear too.
But unlike windsurfing you don't need loads of sails and boards.
We are lucky to have loads of gear to use here at SUPboarder. But that doesn't mean I use it all...
I use 1 x 5m wing and 1x95L board with a 1800cm foil for most of my conditions. Surf and flatwater. If the wind gets up or the swell gets bigger I will change the front foil for a smaller one, but that's it really. I wing in 10-25knts with that setup.
If you want to have a really good range 2 wings a 4m and a 6m is a great combination. This will have you covered for most wing conditions. Hope that helps, Thanks Reuben
Awesome video thanks. Any thoughts on the Gong equipment? I'm looking to mainly to ride waves and live on the coast near Brighton. But there aren't any reviews of the Gong Plus. There are a few on the Pulse which say it's good but heavy.
Gong don't like giving out gear for review so thats why there isn't any reviews 😉. I have heard good and bad stuff about their gear. I have used a few Gong boards in the past and one foil. All seam well made and work well. I do hear mixed messages regarding customer service and board lifespan. But again some people say it's all fine and some people have had issues. The main problem is if you have an issue with the product you can't just go to the shop to get it sorted out. But they do seem to have a good range of products that will suit most riders. I hope that helps a little bit? thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag thank Ruben, its strange that they don’t want reviews if they believe in their equipment. It’s so annoying from a customers point of view to not have any 3rd party reviews. I’m going to send them a friendly message. I have a few gong sup board and they’re great.
Tnx for a good video
Most welcome
Great video. Does the height of the rider not matter as much as the weight when picking the right size wing?
Good question. Not so much, the only issue could be with shorter riders using big wings when not on the foil. Because the wings may be dragging at the wing tips in the water more. When on the foil this shouldn't be a problem. Any help? Reuben
@@SUPboardermag thanks Reuben. Yes very helpful. I gathered size is more relevant to wind speeds.
Good one!
Thanks!
a great video where is this lake? I live in the UK and my nearest water is on the Severn Estuary which has the 2 nd highest rise and fall in the world at 30m and with a beach that is very flat we do not have water very often last year I drove in my camper to Dakhla lagoon for 3 months but that year the wind was mostly off shore
This is filmed in an estuary in Cornwall. Tidal but not that much only a 6 m rise. Most coastal estuaries have really good wing potential over high tide. Maybe worth a search on google maps? Thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag Cornwall is a very lage county, were in Cornwall ?
LOL it filmed in a coastal estuary near Torpoint :-)
@@SUPboardermag Thanks but not near enough to go there without good suitable wind forecast
Have you tried St Johns Lake off of Torpoint? Works well in a S-SW wind high tide.
I can't sup a board smaller then 8' x 28inch. Does the wing make it more stable to stand on?
When you are moving and being powered by the wind, the board will feel more stable. But when you are standing still, it will be the same as if you were paddling, maybe slightly harder as you don't have a paddle to brace in the water. Hope this helps. Beau
"no bad wings" does that apply to the cheap chinese ones on eBay as well? would be interested to hear how they are.
Good comment John. We haven't use that many super cheap wings yet as they are just about hitting the market now. But I'm sure they will have their place and okay for first off getting into the sport. I will have to get back to you on that one ;-) Reuben
Thanks for the information.
I'm 70 kg 5"11 . I surf a bit. What would be a good size wing to practice on a SUP board and transition to a foil board?
Great to hear it. A wing of an around 4 to 4.5m is a great size to start with. Have fun Reuben
Where did lucy learn. Location please :)
This is a coastal estuary near Torpoint in Cornwall. Its tidal so only works about 2 hrs over high water. Its nothing special there should be location all around the UK coast like this. Thanks Reuben
Hello nice informative video I wanted to ask you what size wing you might suggest for a beg-int user 4sqm or 5sqm
Depending on what weight you are. Sub 70kg probably 4M. More than 75kg a 5M is a good all round size for most riders.
What does this have to do with SUP?
Hey Rudy. We made the video because of all the question we were getting from our SUPboarder readers about how to get into the wing side of the sport. Most are still using their same foils and boards as they paddleboard with in the surf. So it has some cross over. Hope that makes sense? We don't do that much wing stuff but still yes it link to some SUP gear. Don't worry I'm not turning into a full time winger. Thanks Reuben
Informative. Could have been shorter with less repetition of the same information.
Thanks for the feedback David. I will try and be more Concise in the future. Always looking to improve. Thanks Reuben
@@SUPboardermag Thanks for your quick reply. Some people may prefer the repetition to increase their retention, but I like to think I don't need the duplication of information. That may be because I'm an experienced windsurfer that understands air and hydrodynamics. So while I encourage finding a balance towards shorter videos covering the same information, I don't know if that will serve everyone better!
What size front foil are you using with the 4 meter in light < 15 knots wind?
at 75kg my goto front wing is 1800cm .
complete nonsense 9 knots or less 4m 75kg.
I know crazy a.... but its true. If Im using a 2000cm front wing on the foil I can get up with the original 4m duotone wing, in 7-8knts. But this is with a lot of pumping! I hope you found video useful in some way. Happy winging Reuben
Excellent video thanks 🙏 mate
No problem 👍