If South East London needs TFL services, here’s suggestions. A) Elizabeth Line extension to Gravesend. B) DLR extension to Belvedere and Dagenham Dock from Gallions Reach via Thamesmead. C) Bakerloo line extension to Beckenham and Hayes. D) New Overground service between Cannon Street/Charing Cross and Orpington.
@@epiconeil3772 It would replace Southeastern’s current services to Orpington, similar to the replacements that occurred between Liv Street and Cheshunt/Chingford.
@@britishguy54dx it doesn’t change anything though? It still just trains running to Orpington, the frequency wouldn’t be upped either because of other trains running on the same line
@@britishguy54dx there’s no difference, tfl wouldn’t up the frequency because there’s still other trains on the line, it would just be the same thing waste of money
I have my own proposal but I dont know if its that good, it is the extension of the New Cross branch to Bromley North but as others said, there are alot of trains on that line so more trains maybe would not fit in
If it had been planned years ago maybe Ann Bolean could have travelled on it to the Tower of London for her controversial beheading by her crossly over weight obnoxious husband Fat Henry 8th. Or god shouldn't of said that I have a couple of Beefeaters at my front door with pikes waiting to arrest me for treason all because of a waist of money tube line.
@MantisSZNYA2 as does the rest of the boroughs of Richmond and Kingston. If Twickenham was connected to the District line it would make journeys so much nicer for me.
To all the people saying London doesn't need more infrastructure: yes it has much higher investment than the rest of the country. But public transport use is so much higher they regularly have to close underground stations to avoid deaths from crushing.
Its not a case of 'regularly have to close underground stations to avoid deaths from crushing.' That is bs. What may happen during busy periods is access into the station may be temporarily halted for 10-15 mins in order to allow platforms to clear/become less busy &/or routes between platforms may be changed (by opening or closing gates) making it slightly longer for people to get to the platforms.
I've watched a couple of videos about city planning and infrastructure in London. Is it me or doesn't it seem like people living in Chelsea always resist new development?
I could see the line ending up being called the Palace Line (Hampton Court and the Ally Pally are both on the proposed map). With all due deference to her maj, she already had the Jubilee Line before they renamed XR1. Even Queen Victoria doesn't have a line directly named for her (the Victoria Line is named after the station, which is named after the street, which is named after her).
I think it'll be named after whoever is monarch at the time it opens. IF it is built and opens (it is a big IF). I think the next 4 monarchs in line are Male.
I think with the coronavirus, CR2 will be postponed, and neutered somewhat. What they may do is build the tunnels, but not build all the stations. Stations can come later. They put the infrastructure in place for future expansion, and when expansion occurs, they can just build the stations.
@@Weesperbuurt that would have to be a seperate branch from st pancras as luton is quite a bit further to the west than stansted, and a stanstead to luton line would completely bypass london
It seems weird that is goes through literally all of south West London but doesn't stop at twickenham, which would make sense because of the rugby and concerts at the stadium
an alternative to this would be a Northern line extension from Battersea (opening in 2021) ,Clapham Junction ,surfacing at Barnes,taking over the loop then terminating at Strawberry Hill via Twickenham stadium?
Seeing as the queen is Queen Victoria's great great granddaughter, perhaps crossrail 2 can be named after Queen Elizabeth's great great granddaughter.... and she will probably have 1 by the time Crossrail 2 is complete
Call be crazy but it seems to me that with HS2 and Crossrail 2 there's going to need to be a lot of work at Euston, Euston Square, Kings Cross and St Pancras. With all of the stations so close together it's surely going to make sense to create one big 'Northern Stations Interchange' as it were. It's going to be expensive and take a lot of time and disruption but wouldn't this be a sensible time whilst Euston is already up in the air to do the work at Camden to seperate the Northern into two distinct lines and to generally tidy up the lines around the these stations to create one much more useful very high capacity station?
Call me crazier but considering that LSPI and London Euston will be a terminus of HS1 and HS2 respectively, a highly cost-effective way of linking the two high-speed rail services would be with moving walkways along a 600-metre tunnel. The Euston St Pancras station could then be linked to the two railway stations by a perpendicular tunnel, also featuring moving walkways, intersecting the HS1-HS2 tunnel midway.
@@_JohnDoe I can't be certain but I think that will happen. Eventually. HS2 works at Euston have been going on for years...you can see the works travelling in and out of Euston. Initially (and I haven't seen the video yet) Crossrail 2 would be designed to have access to both stations so there would be a link anyway (probably not with moving walkways - it would be nice but they are a lot more expensive and complex to install and maintain). Liverpool Street Crossrail Station does have a fixed link to Moorgate station for access to the Northern line.
And that's just the borough map area. The *real* population of the urbanised landmass is closer to 20 million and over 23 million in the wider definition.
It will be interesting to see what happens to the population in the future. With so many companies announcing their workers only need to be on the office one or two days a week, we may see a large number of people choose to live all over the country and commute in rarther than stay in London
@@mittfh The trouble is that people will then start claiming that as the actual cost and make out that it's gone up, which is why I'm highly sceptical about some of the inflated figures for HS2!
dog. I’m being ironic. Nothing could be worse than the Muslim take-over, but it’s happening. The British have gone insane. Now they are complaining about selling police shields to the American police. I dread to think what’s happening to this country. It’s not the usual mentally insane, it’s the BBC and Sky News etc etc. They are insane as well of course but we always assumed they were normal rational people and they are central to our civilisation. I can’t see a way back from this.
It will probably be named after one of the royals so that the executives can get their knighthoods, but please not the Charles line as he only travels by plane or helicopter in case he has to mix with the peasants.
Not even serving South London really, just a bit of South West London. Let's hope the Bakerloo Line extension gets funding in priority to CrossRail 2: we've only been waiting for that since the 1920s.
this could easily be brought down to the woking/guildford area as it’s on the mainline as is raynes park but watch them just ignore that possibility flat out
It would be a rather good idea for CR2 to start soon after CR1 completes so you can retain the skilled experienced workforce before they get taken up by other infrastructure contracts.
If cr2 gets built, there may be scope for a useful Victoria Line extension. The latter can't happen at the moment literally because the train is already full at Brixton
For proper continuity, Crossrail 2 should quite obviously be called the William line or the George line. Depends on who's the reigning monarch when it finally opens.
That would be one way to raise revenue, get it sponsored by the insurance brand (so every roundel would have to include the bulldog mascot under the central bar)...
I'm all for local power in this regard. I'm with them. They don't want it to be too easy to drag people from less prosperous areas to their neighbourhood and 'hang around' and I don't blame them to be honest given the evidence of what I have seen elsewhere in London.
It needs to extend further southwest, looks like both Wimbledon and Clapham Junction will be rebuilt, hopefully the later will have the northern line extended from Battersea to it, there are some interesting proposals online for those stations.
You say Northern line extended to Clapham junction from Battersea power stn? I been thinking myself was from Waterloo to Clapham junction extension of 'Waterloo & City' line form Bank and Waterloo, I just know but how emerged to solve the puzzle like this.
Clapham Junction is going to have to be completely redone, as it’s just huge at that point, with national rail, southwestern, tube links, a huge amount of buses and crossrail 2. Literally going to be just as large as Euston at that point.
The Crossrail 2 project, will all depend on the success of the Crossrail 1 project. Whilst TFL is currently trying to fund a black hole of £1.5B, the Crossrail 1 project could be its saving grace. The two busiest lines on the underground network, are currently the Northern line and Central line with a carrying capacity of 294 million and 289 million passengers per annum respectively. The current Crossrail 1 project (Elizabeth line) , is expected to carry 200 million passengers per annum. Personally, I think this a conservative figure. The Central line is almost parallel to the Elizabeth line, in terms of it running from East to West and cutting through the city and west end and the Elizabeth line will be the preferred option for most commuters who live within the "inner zone influence," of a Crossrail station. In comparison to the Central line and the Northern line, the best way to describe the Elizabeth line, is that it has all the standard features of the busiest lines but so much more! Wider carriages, longer carriages, shorter journey times, more frequent trains per hour, direct trains to all Heathrow terminals and more.
@@johnm2012 There was a proposal to build a Crossrail branch from Old Oak Common to the West Coast Main Line, which would've achieved that in combination with the Abbey Wood branch
@@travia6688 There was a proposal to extend the Abbey Wood branch to Dartford but it got scrapped. Hopefully the Bakerloo line extension will go ahead, although I probably would've moved out of SE London and graduated from Uni by the time it is finished. I wouldn't even care about SE London getting a tube or crossrail line if Southeastern trains weren't so damn unreliable!
Interesting there was a line from Sevensisters to Palace Gates. The line followed West Green Road to West Green Station where Phillip Lane and West Green Road meet the next station was Joel Park which was on Woodgreen high road, it is where the West Green shopping centre now stands. The terminus was only a few hundred yards east of Wood Green station now called Alexander Palace. The line closed on 7 th Jan 1963 It really went down hill when the Piccadilly tube line was extended north to Cockfosters from Finsbury park. Funny if the rail corridor had my been built on I'm sure by now the line would have had a connection linking Woodgreen to Sevensisters. As it was there was a connection to the loop line to Hertford Morth
excessive branching is a really bad idea: 4 branches, two for each end is the most each express subway (RER, Crossrail, S-Bahn) should permit. More branches means less frequency, which means that you move away from rapid transit toward commuter rail. Moreover, more branches means that the risk of incidents/delays is heightened.
If it ever does happen, the line should not run either by Balham or Tooting but via the place that is and always has been missed out by Public Transport and that is Wandsworth High Street. Wandsworth has no centralised rail station (both "Town" and "Common" are a long way from the High Street. It has no Underground service either. In the past, it missed out on Green Line Coach Services and most people living there have had (as they still do now) to rely on just buses. You can guarantee that any hair brained transport idea featuring rail always misses out Wandsworth. It's about time this changed.
Whatever happened to Crossrail 2 stopping at Piccadilly Circus? I swear most of the historic Chelsea-Hackney lines intended to stop there (and maybe early plans for Crossrail 2?), but it's not on more recent official plans
Chelsea-Hackney was for shorter tube-length trains. The Crossrails have 250+ metre platforms. The south exit of Tottenham Court Road will be nearby and Piccadilly Circus wouldn't add much connectivity.
Wow, even more for billions for London and the south east... In Leeds we are still waiting for any form of mass transit other than our shitty buses... Londoners should count themselves lucky for having all this spent on them. Again.
It’s all about London if u don’t live there u don’t get a look in Birmingham building shitty metros that are slow and not nice to be on big joke least world ending soon
Your anger is justified, but when they are doing the numbers, they look at ROI. They feel for every pound they spend in London, they might be able to get £3 back (e.g.). If they spend it in Leeds, they might be able to get £1.50 or £2 back (e.g.). Then they look at how much it will cost to transport 1,000 a day (e.g.), and add the 2 together to see what is best value. Building a metro system in Leeds is just as expensive as in London. What good is a bridge between Britain and Ireland? Could we use that money for other infrastructure projects? You see where I'm coming from? I understand your frustration.
As a Londoner I would have to say I agree with your frustration - the Midlands and the North require massive investment in infrastructure. I think the only way Parliament would even think about prioritising investment in Birmingham, for example, would be to have Parliament based in Birmingham. The only way to get sufficient MPs voting in favour of huge investment in infrastructure in an area outside of London is to have MPs actually have to deal with using infrastructure in that area. The ROI argument will always win, London will always be prioritised until MPs are personally inconvenienced by the inadequate transport links outside the capital.
The music used in this clip is 'Bad Snacks - Leveled Up!', and she's a fantastic artist who you should go and check out! This music was sourced from the TH-cam Audio Library and that attribution on this track is NOT required, but it's nice to do it anyway and give exposure to the artists who's work you are using for free.
Another Willy line already been running for 161 years : th-cam.com/video/lVvff2Jf1a4/w-d-xo.html If you ask about the Willy train in Melbourne they will think you are a local, so your comment sparked a response to me.
Chelsea already has an underground station - Sloane Square. It also has plenty of bus routes running along the King's Road. What's the point of sending all the southern Greater London Crossrail 2 traffic through a Kings Road station? There isn't the passenger demand. People traveling Victoria-Clapham Junction want to get as quickly as possible to Victoria and vice-versa. They are not interested in stop-offs at Chelsea. We already have the Circle and District lines from Victoria for that.
So you want to use existing 2 track lines north of the core section (idk about the south if anyone wants to fill me in), on that existing line is multiple level crossings for vehicles and some foot crossings. As someone who has been to brimsdown station (one of cross rail 2’s proposed north stations), the level crossing is every 3-10 minutes anyway and 4 tracks is not possible as housing limitations. So if it’s max 15 tph on cross rail 2 (15 to new Southgate to make the 30 mentioned) then add that to the already large 15-20 tph Greater Anglia stuff (stopping and not) then it would be far to much for the line and something would need to be done. Unless I don’t know and it is possible idk
They plan to quad track it, work has already been done as far as Meridian water with 3 tracks in place and route cleared for 4. The line was previously quad all the way out of London and looking on Google maps most of the route still seems clear, would need to rebuild and expand all the stations though.
I feel like Clapham Junction wouldn’t have enough space to build it so they should chose a place like Clapham South Because It Would Hell Out The Area More Than Clapham Junction
I signed up for Crossrail 2 emails but no information provided so far on what will happen to homes built next to lines between Tottenham and Broxbourne
£30b to £40b for yet another line that will benefit Londoners, paid by all UK taxpayers. When are these types of funds going to be spent on improving the woeful services north of Watford?. I'm sure this line will be a huge benefit to Londoners and good for them, but fairness is needed and such huge amounts needs to be spent in other areas too. However with the huge amounts the government are now having to spend during this virus pandemic, I have a feeling that once again it will be the North that loses out on funding for huge infrastructure projects like this as they'll be cancelled or scaled back while this line will probably go ahead.
I'm sure it was Boris who called for it to be called the Churchill Line (among other comments here). Though I for one would love the Chelney Line name to live on. Not only does it have history it the various predecessor proposals it is also an established name among our circles. Anyway, I doubt Churchill would approve of having a railway named after him. From what I've read of him, he didn't care much for vanity though I could be sorely mistaken.
Mega projects usual run between 3-5 times over budget, so it would probably end up being about 100 billion pounds. As for what to call the line, on the very slim chance that the Queen isn't still alive, it would probably be named after whomever has the crown.
What about building the line from Peterborough-Bedford and taking trains from the north directly into Clapham Junction? How much of the overcrowding is down to people simply transiting London when they don't need to?
There is a arrow on the right in Hackney Central for the Eastern Branch up towards Basildon and 2 branches to Grays.This will stop through in East Ham.I live in East Ham.
They've made a right bllx of Crossrail 1 as far as money and Management are concerned....they should be building dolls houses for a few years as a practice
revise it to just go from Gatwick Airport, & Chessington South, using existing Rail corridors, before meeting up at Clapham Junction, From there, they can run through the existing planned route, before than continuing beyond Broxbourne to Hertford East and Stanstead Airport using the existing rail corridor.
As a Northerner I feel that London, as much as I love it. has had enough investment for now . In my opinion Crossrail 2 should only be considered when HS 2 and HS3 (Manchester to Leeds) are completed in full. Not wishing to sound alarmist,the current Covid 19 crisis will change the way the public views UK Government spending . They said that there was no magic money tree., but there is . It is called quantitative easing. It is now a magic forest the size of the Amazon rainforest. But does that matter? What is money - only digits in a server in a bunker somewhere. Be good if we could have HS2 HS3 and Crossrail2. After all I am a railway enthusiast.
I really like the colour of the line. Mabye the colour that represents your train should be the colour of your train. Also, is Crossrail 2 going to use the class 345 as well?
If it's called the Phillip Line - you'd have to have an announcement saying "MIND THE GAFF"
Haha, very good
Ha
Excellent, although I think the media gets worked up about what are "jokes". 😂
Spot on!
@@Londonistvids ikr
If South East London needs TFL services, here’s suggestions.
A) Elizabeth Line extension to Gravesend.
B) DLR extension to Belvedere and Dagenham Dock from Gallions Reach via Thamesmead.
C) Bakerloo line extension to Beckenham and Hayes.
D) New Overground service between Cannon Street/Charing Cross and Orpington.
But there’s already trains to Orpington from central London so what’s the point
@@epiconeil3772 It would replace Southeastern’s current services to Orpington, similar to the replacements that occurred between Liv Street and Cheshunt/Chingford.
@@britishguy54dx it doesn’t change anything though? It still just trains running to Orpington, the frequency wouldn’t be upped either because of other trains running on the same line
@@britishguy54dx there’s no difference, tfl wouldn’t up the frequency because there’s still other trains on the line, it would just be the same thing waste of money
I have my own proposal but I dont know if its that good, it is the extension of the New Cross branch to Bromley North but as others said, there are alot of trains on that line so more trains maybe would not fit in
I'm 35, and given how long Crossrail 1 is taking, I don't think I'll even live to see Crossrail 2 opening
Crossrail began when you was 1 year old.
As someone who works on Crossrail 1, if I ended up on Crossrail 2, I’d still be there the day I draw my pension.
Regular steady employment though...!
Yeah That’s not all that unusual for large infrastructure projects is it? Sometimes people do start and end their whole careers on the same job.
What about the George line? He'll be king by the time it's finished.
Likewise, the Elizabeth line should be renamed the William line.
For real 😂😂😂
That is assuming Queen Elisabeth isn't immortal, that's a very long shot
They could go down the line of succession: Charles, William and George.
@@peterjonas1545 actually, that sounds like a good name tbh...
Euston St Pancras? Wow that would be (even more of) a labyrinth.
Can we just tear down the entire area and build ONE SINGLE Station? That would make so many things so much easier....
@@felixw19 So you want to demolish the British Library?
@@allmyothersubscriptions when did he say that lmao
King's Cross Euston St Pancras station. Perfect.
@@timothymeyer3210 and the International?
Call it The Chelsea Line, just to piss off those in Chelsea who oppose it!
If the line goes to Stanstead they will be apoplectic at all the riff-raff on budget flights potentially descending on their comfortable enclave.
@@Dave_Sisson I’m no Londoner but I’m sure I wouldn’t want to get on a train filled to the gunwhales with suitcases and screaming children...
@@peterweatherley7669 that's the whole of London for you
Chelsea-Hackney Line, or Chelney Line
As someone living there, I would’ve loved to see crossrail 2
As it goes between Hampton Court Palace and Alexandra Palace. The 'Palace Line' would be apt.
If it had been planned years ago maybe Ann Bolean could have travelled on it to the Tower of London for her controversial beheading by her crossly over weight obnoxious husband Fat Henry 8th. Or god shouldn't of said that I have a couple of Beefeaters at my front door with pikes waiting to arrest me for treason all because of a waist of money tube line.
*Crystal Palace has entered the chat*
"Chelsea really needs a tube station"
More than the whole of south london?
Problem with s london and underground networks is that a lot is ex marshland. Making it difficult to build.
@MantisSZNYA2 as does the rest of the boroughs of Richmond and Kingston. If Twickenham was connected to the District line it would make journeys so much nicer for me.
@MantisSZNYA2 Kingston needs bombing from orbit.
@@Johnconno wtf did it do 😂
@@wasteman3259 Guess you've never been there? Don't bother, it's the same as your name.
To all the people saying London doesn't need more infrastructure: yes it has much higher investment than the rest of the country. But public transport use is so much higher they regularly have to close underground stations to avoid deaths from crushing.
It's so much higher because it actually fucking exists, what a clown
@@Oxley016 nice
Its not a case of 'regularly have to close underground stations to avoid deaths from crushing.' That is bs. What may happen during busy periods is access into the station may be temporarily halted for 10-15 mins in order to allow platforms to clear/become less busy &/or routes between platforms may be changed (by opening or closing gates) making it slightly longer for people to get to the platforms.
I have never heard of that and I'm a Londoner
@@tom201090 But why make transport slow and not optimally efficient for the population it has to deal with?
I've watched a couple of videos about city planning and infrastructure in London. Is it me or doesn't it seem like people living in Chelsea always resist new development?
yes cuz theyre posh old people who think they own london
@@joesos Resident Earl Cadogan does actually own much of London.
It could be named after the monarch on the throne when its finished. So that would be Prince George's Grandchild, if we're lucky?
Elizabeth II line of course
Trump line
But though a master at snooker, Judd Trump is from Bristol and not London.
@@rednammoc They could name a tram route after him in Sheffield.
@@rednammoc haha, hilarious
Woking needs a new rail line too. Call it Sweat Line.
I was expecting Geoff Marshall....
I'm sad now
I think the Geoff Marshall Line would be a great name.
Um no
nitehawk86 💀
Reminder that Queen Elizabeth II is the final form of monarch, is immortal and will live long past us to the cross rail 2 opening
about that...
I could see the line ending up being called the Palace Line (Hampton Court and the Ally Pally are both on the proposed map). With all due deference to her maj, she already had the Jubilee Line before they renamed XR1. Even Queen Victoria doesn't have a line directly named for her (the Victoria Line is named after the station, which is named after the street, which is named after her).
so u want 2 victoria lines? thats not confusing at all!
The Palace Line is by far the best suggestion I have heard thus far. Could even have a station at the Buckingham Palace.
I think it'll be named after whoever is monarch at the time it opens. IF it is built and opens (it is a big IF). I think the next 4 monarchs in line are Male.
Treasury: we have £30bn set aside for Crossrail 2
Corona: yoink!
I think with the coronavirus, CR2 will be postponed, and neutered somewhat.
What they may do is build the tunnels, but not build all the stations. Stations can come later. They put the infrastructure in place for future expansion, and when expansion occurs, they can just build the stations.
@@Locutus good idea
I like how both cross rail 1 and cross rail 2 completely surround hounslow on all sides while not even entering it
Sorry to say, Hounslow has the piccadilly line, it does not need cross rail 1 or 2.
@@zitzong The virgin Hounslow vs the chad Baker Street
Why not take Crossrail all the way to Stansted airport?
And then to Luton
@@Weesperbuurt that would have to be a seperate branch from st pancras as luton is quite a bit further to the west than stansted, and a stanstead to luton line would completely bypass london
@@Weesperbuurt And to Gatwick :-D
@@thedumgamer2046 you could connect to Stansted from Tottenham Hale, the Stansted Express already stops at Tottenham Hale
That would double the length of the north part.
The Crossrail 2 colour used in this video looks like the Central Line when your printer runs out of magenta ink
London literally has the coolest station names; such as Seven Sisters, Angel etc
It seems weird that is goes through literally all of south West London but doesn't stop at twickenham, which would make sense because of the rugby and concerts at the stadium
Even funnier, the official site of Crossrail 2's title is "Supporting the Growth in the South East" when it's actually South West
Touchy Torchy I suppose they mean South East England
@@bn56would I know "support growth in the south east-except it's the south west, and not the places anyone has ever heard of
"Some locals" in Chelsea King's Road. Must be the kind of locals who can afford to live in Chelsea.
an alternative to this would be a Northern line extension from Battersea (opening in 2021) ,Clapham Junction ,surfacing at Barnes,taking over the loop then terminating at Strawberry Hill via Twickenham stadium?
Seeing as the queen is Queen Victoria's great great granddaughter, perhaps crossrail 2 can be named after Queen Elizabeth's great great granddaughter.... and she will probably have 1 by the time Crossrail 2 is complete
Call be crazy but it seems to me that with HS2 and Crossrail 2 there's going to need to be a lot of work at Euston, Euston Square, Kings Cross and St Pancras. With all of the stations so close together it's surely going to make sense to create one big 'Northern Stations Interchange' as it were.
It's going to be expensive and take a lot of time and disruption but wouldn't this be a sensible time whilst Euston is already up in the air to do the work at Camden to seperate the Northern into two distinct lines and to generally tidy up the lines around the these stations to create one much more useful very high capacity station?
It should be called St. Eustcras.
Call me crazier but considering that LSPI and London Euston will be a terminus of HS1 and HS2 respectively, a highly cost-effective way of linking the two high-speed rail services would be with moving walkways along a 600-metre tunnel.
The Euston St Pancras station could then be linked to the two railway stations by a perpendicular tunnel, also featuring moving walkways, intersecting the HS1-HS2 tunnel midway.
@@_JohnDoe I can't be certain but I think that will happen. Eventually. HS2 works at Euston have been going on for years...you can see the works travelling in and out of Euston. Initially (and I haven't seen the video yet) Crossrail 2 would be designed to have access to both stations so there would be a link anyway (probably not with moving walkways - it would be nice but they are a lot more expensive and complex to install and maintain). Liverpool Street Crossrail Station does have a fixed link to Moorgate station for access to the Northern line.
@@_JohnDoe or just get on the victoria line
@@Moshimulations Its actually quicker to walk between Kings Cross and Euston than take the tube...even when they are not on strike!
“We will be opening only a few years late”
Covid 19: Allow me to introduce myself
Sadiq and Covid: Hello let us introduce our self's :D
Population growth experts: London's population will be over 10 million by 2030.
COVID-19: Hold my beer.
Very unlikely that is going to make a dent in London's population over the coming years. We'll have a vaccine within a year from now.
london popn=20 million now
And that's just the borough map area. The *real* population of the urbanised landmass is closer to 20 million and over 23 million in the wider definition.
Lockdown: Hold My Beer
London Will Get that Population!
It will be interesting to see what happens to the population in the future. With so many companies announcing their workers only need to be on the office one or two days a week, we may see a large number of people choose to live all over the country and commute in rarther than stay in London
Is there a rule-of-thumb, based on evidence, for converting estimated costs to actual costs? Double it and round up?
Set a contingency of 10x the original prediction and (hopefully!) you'll still have some change at the end of the project... 😈
@@mittfh The trouble is that people will then start claiming that as the actual cost and make out that it's gone up, which is why I'm highly sceptical about some of the inflated figures for HS2!
Yes........double it and then add your phone number!
Stephen the actuary
@Chris *too high
Crossrail 1: Elizabeth Line
Crossrail 2: Charles Line
Crossrail 3: Republic Line
naruciak. No. Crossrail 3 The Muslim Line.
Old Man
Here we go
@@maxmullen6337 I get it. Because you're passionate advocate for Islam. Respect to your beliefs!
dog. I’m being ironic. Nothing could be worse than the Muslim take-over, but it’s happening.
The British have gone insane. Now they are complaining about selling police shields to the American police.
I dread to think what’s happening to this country. It’s not the usual mentally insane, it’s the BBC and Sky News etc etc. They are insane as well of course but we always assumed they were normal rational people and they are central to our civilisation.
I can’t see a way back from this.
It will probably be named after one of the royals so that the executives can get their knighthoods, but please not the Charles line as he only travels by plane or helicopter in case he has to mix with the peasants.
Perhaps call it "Not serving SE London Line"
Not even serving South London really, just a bit of South West London. Let's hope the Bakerloo Line extension gets funding in priority to CrossRail 2: we've only been waiting for that since the 1920s.
If it goes through Chelsea, they could call it the Coke Line.
Crossrail 1 will do that
@@Inkyminkyzizwozcrossrail 1 has two stations South of the river and one of them is on the river, the other in order London
You guys will get the Bakerloo line extension. Complete with shiny new trains.
I love every video you make. Your website is amazing.
this could easily be brought down to the woking/guildford area as it’s on the mainline as is raynes park but watch them just ignore that possibility flat out
This might just happen when the Beetles celebrate their centenary! Ha ha! 😆
Beatles.
then lets call it the beatles line
Only if it stops at Abbey Road.
Good lord let us get through this current madness before mentioning this one. We don’t even have Crossrail 1
We can't just give up, yes it's hard right now but plans for things like this still have to go ahead.
GoldenSnow No one mentioned giving up, we’re all very much still going from day to day. But let CR 1 arrive before we mentioned CR 2
It would be a rather good idea for CR2 to start soon after CR1 completes so you can retain the skilled experienced workforce before they get taken up by other infrastructure contracts.
The time to plan is while the current one is finishing up - we have the experience and the team still alive. We can learn.
If cr2 gets built, there may be scope for a useful Victoria Line extension. The latter can't happen at the moment literally because the train is already full at Brixton
Charles Line. We all know Londoners love a line of Charlie
For proper continuity, Crossrail 2 should quite obviously be called the William line or the George line. Depends on who's the reigning monarch when it finally opens.
Boris suggested calling crossrail 2 the Churchill line
So after his imaginary friend.
That would be one way to raise revenue, get it sponsored by the insurance brand (so every roundel would have to include the bulldog mascot under the central bar)...
It'll be the Charles Line, obvs. "Going up the Charlie" in the local lingo, if you like.
Boris Johnson suggested in consulations that it would be called the Churchill Line to pay homage to Winston Churchill
Yes there need crossrail 2 from Hertfordshire to Surrey there should call Charles line.
The residents of Kensington & Chelsea hold FARRRR too much power, can you imagine that happening in Lewisham for example?!
I'm all for local power in this regard. I'm with them. They don't want it to be too easy to drag people from less prosperous areas to their neighbourhood and 'hang around' and I don't blame them to be honest given the evidence of what I have seen elsewhere in London.
Everybody gangsta’ till they call it the Andrew Line
It needs to extend further southwest, looks like both Wimbledon and Clapham Junction will be rebuilt, hopefully the later will have the northern line extended from Battersea to it, there are some interesting proposals online for those stations.
Not really as SWR (and whatever it's nationalised name will be) already covers that area quite thoroughly but the central south west needs things
You say Northern line extended to Clapham junction from Battersea power stn? I been thinking myself was from Waterloo to Clapham junction extension of 'Waterloo & City' line form Bank and Waterloo, I just know but how emerged to solve the puzzle like this.
Clapham Junction is going to have to be completely redone, as it’s just huge at that point, with national rail, southwestern, tube links, a huge amount of buses and crossrail 2. Literally going to be just as large as Euston at that point.
wimbledon and clapham junction will both be underground
The Crossrail 2 project, will all depend on the success of the Crossrail 1 project.
Whilst TFL is currently trying to fund a black hole of £1.5B, the Crossrail 1 project could be its saving grace.
The two busiest lines on the underground network, are currently the Northern line and Central line with a carrying capacity of 294 million and 289 million passengers per annum respectively.
The current Crossrail 1 project (Elizabeth line) , is expected to carry 200 million passengers per annum.
Personally, I think this a conservative figure. The Central line is almost parallel to the Elizabeth line, in terms of it running from East to West and cutting through the city and west end and the Elizabeth line will be the preferred option for most commuters who live within the "inner zone influence," of a Crossrail station.
In comparison to the Central line and the Northern line, the best way to describe the Elizabeth line, is that it has all the standard features of the busiest lines but so much more!
Wider carriages, longer carriages, shorter journey times, more frequent trains per hour, direct trains to all Heathrow terminals and more.
They've defo got to call it the Phil Line.
When is there going to be a train line going through South East London. It is desperately needed!!!!! #crossrail3
South East to North West would be my suggestion.
@@johnm2012 There was a proposal to build a Crossrail branch from Old Oak Common to the West Coast Main Line, which would've achieved that in combination with the Abbey Wood branch
Inkyminkyzizwoz Abbey Wood isn't enough
@@travia6688 There was a proposal to extend the Abbey Wood branch to Dartford but it got scrapped. Hopefully the Bakerloo line extension will go ahead, although I probably would've moved out of SE London and graduated from Uni by the time it is finished. I wouldn't even care about SE London getting a tube or crossrail line if Southeastern trains weren't so damn unreliable!
Sam the bakerloo line extension is in the consultation phase to extend to Lewisham
So sorry I almost certainly won't be alive to see this project come to fruition.
the sonorthen line
Why this doesnt go to gatwick is beyond me
JohnDYT possibly because Southern is worried of losing business
That would double the length of the south part.
Because it’s too far away from London
I believe you can get to Gatwick on Oyster anyway
I think people commute more often than they go on holiday
They may end up calling it The Charles Line if you've heard today's ness
Nah, it will be The Willy Line, as he will be the only one left alive by the time it gets built..!
@@delboy7039 Queen Liz is immortal.
Can’t even get a bus here in Wales.
hopefully they'll call it the charles line
Interesting there was a line from Sevensisters to Palace Gates.
The line followed West Green Road to West Green Station where Phillip Lane and West Green Road meet the next station was Joel Park which was on Woodgreen high road, it is where the West Green shopping centre now stands.
The terminus was only a few hundred yards east of Wood Green station now called Alexander Palace.
The line closed on 7 th Jan 1963
It really went down hill when the Piccadilly tube line was extended north to Cockfosters from Finsbury park.
Funny if the rail corridor had my been built on I'm sure by now the line would have had a connection linking Woodgreen to Sevensisters.
As it was there was a connection to the loop line to Hertford Morth
I think Crossrail 2 has now had to be put on the back burner or scrapped as a condition of Tfl receiving emergency funding from the government.
Geoff sounds different in this one :)
DocWho 2002 This isn’t Geoff
@@Eurolex43 r/whooooosh
@@Eurolex43 r/woooosh
Nice video!
excessive branching is a really bad idea: 4 branches, two for each end is the most each express subway (RER, Crossrail, S-Bahn) should permit. More branches means less frequency, which means that you move away from rapid transit toward commuter rail. Moreover, more branches means that the risk of incidents/delays is heightened.
But both crossrail projects are meant to be rapid transit in the central section and commuter rail at either end, and the branching suits this well.
Both RER and most S-bahn systems are heavily branched…
4 branches of 6tph to give 24tph total is perfectly reasonable, it's not excessive branching.
If it ever does happen, the line should not run either by Balham or Tooting but via the place that is and always has been missed out by Public Transport and that is Wandsworth High Street. Wandsworth has no centralised rail station (both "Town" and "Common" are a long way from the High Street. It has no Underground service either. In the past, it missed out on Green Line Coach Services and most people living there have had (as they still do now) to rely on just buses. You can guarantee that any hair brained transport idea featuring rail always misses out Wandsworth. It's about time this changed.
Wandsworth is very close to Clapham junction station so it wouldn't make sense.
@@AD-hf1hp Yeah, and Clapham Junction’s importance is just too high, and with bus links to CJ from Wandsworth anyways, no point.
Whatever happened to Crossrail 2 stopping at Piccadilly Circus? I swear most of the historic Chelsea-Hackney lines intended to stop there (and maybe early plans for Crossrail 2?), but it's not on more recent official plans
Yeah, we thought that too that was even since.
No,The Crossrail 2 won’t stop at Piccadilly Circus especially the Crossrail 2 will stop at Tottenham Court Road for changing for Crossrail 1
Chelsea-Hackney was for shorter tube-length trains. The Crossrails have 250+ metre platforms. The south exit of Tottenham Court Road will be nearby and Piccadilly Circus wouldn't add much connectivity.
piccadilly circus is already busy, they probably dont want to add more congestion however it would be a good interchange.
Wow, even more for billions for London and the south east...
In Leeds we are still waiting for any form of mass transit other than our shitty buses...
Londoners should count themselves lucky for having all this spent on them. Again.
It’s all about London if u don’t live there u don’t get a look in Birmingham building shitty metros that are slow and not nice to be on big joke least world ending soon
Your anger is justified, but when they are doing the numbers, they look at ROI.
They feel for every pound they spend in London, they might be able to get £3 back (e.g.).
If they spend it in Leeds, they might be able to get £1.50 or £2 back (e.g.).
Then they look at how much it will cost to transport 1,000 a day (e.g.), and add the 2 together to see what is best value.
Building a metro system in Leeds is just as expensive as in London.
What good is a bridge between Britain and Ireland? Could we use that money for other infrastructure projects? You see where I'm coming from?
I understand your frustration.
As a Londoner I would have to say I agree with your frustration - the Midlands and the North require massive investment in infrastructure. I think the only way Parliament would even think about prioritising investment in Birmingham, for example, would be to have Parliament based in Birmingham. The only way to get sufficient MPs voting in favour of huge investment in infrastructure in an area outside of London is to have MPs actually have to deal with using infrastructure in that area. The ROI argument will always win, London will always be prioritised until MPs are personally inconvenienced by the inadequate transport links outside the capital.
Talk about inequality. Public transport in the North is a joke.
you cocked it up years ago--millions spent for no result
I live in Dorking (a few stops beyond Epsom) hoping it is going to be easy to connect to the service
The music used in this clip is 'Bad Snacks - Leveled Up!', and she's a fantastic artist who you should go and check out! This music was sourced from the TH-cam Audio Library and that attribution on this track is NOT required, but it's nice to do it anyway and give exposure to the artists who's work you are using for free.
have to get Crossrail 1 finished yet, and the way its going it wont be ready for another 5 years
Wonderful that three towns in Surrey, as well as Shepperton in Middlesex could be connected to XR2.
Thx for continue yours documentaries i actually like them and im Portuguese
Wasn’t it the Willy Line?
As in Willyteveractuallyhappen Line?
Another Willy line already been running for 161 years :
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If you ask about the Willy train in Melbourne they will think you are a local, so your comment sparked a response to me.
The Roadman Line.
I like the idea of the Philip Line
Chelsea already has an underground station - Sloane Square. It also has plenty of bus routes running along the King's Road. What's the point of sending all the southern Greater London Crossrail 2 traffic through a Kings Road station? There isn't the passenger demand. People traveling Victoria-Clapham Junction want to get as quickly as possible to Victoria and vice-versa. They are not interested in stop-offs at Chelsea. We already have the Circle and District lines from Victoria for that.
So you want to use existing 2 track lines north of the core section (idk about the south if anyone wants to fill me in), on that existing line is multiple level crossings for vehicles and some foot crossings. As someone who has been to brimsdown station (one of cross rail 2’s proposed north stations), the level crossing is every 3-10 minutes anyway and 4 tracks is not possible as housing limitations. So if it’s max 15 tph on cross rail 2 (15 to new Southgate to make the 30 mentioned) then add that to the already large 15-20 tph Greater Anglia stuff (stopping and not) then it would be far to much for the line and something would need to be done. Unless I don’t know and it is possible idk
They plan to quad track it, work has already been done as far as Meridian water with 3 tracks in place and route cleared for 4. The line was previously quad all the way out of London and looking on Google maps most of the route still seems clear, would need to rebuild and expand all the stations though.
I can't wait for Crossrail 3 from Marylebone to Bricklayers Arms!
that could be bakerloo extension
Wait a minute...
I feel like Clapham Junction wouldn’t have enough space to build it so they should chose a place like Clapham South Because It Would Hell Out The Area More Than Clapham Junction
It's already likely to have a station in balham which is close enough
Martell Brighten fair enough
Why not name is after the Queen's sister "The Princess Margaret Line?" x
Chelsea really needs a tube station so does most of the south of london
Yh having a chelsea tube station would be so useful
The Alpha line (ALexandra palace to claPHAm junction).
Clever
Since it would be commenced in the 2030s, it maybe sad to hear but… Charles Line?
Republic Line, if Britain declares a republican government.
ChasRail
The most expensive rail project I've ever heard of!
I signed up for Crossrail 2 emails but no information provided so far on what will happen to homes built next to lines between Tottenham and Broxbourne
£30b to £40b for yet another line that will benefit Londoners, paid by all UK taxpayers. When are these types of funds going to be spent on improving the woeful services north of Watford?. I'm sure this line will be a huge benefit to Londoners and good for them, but fairness is needed and such huge amounts needs to be spent in other areas too. However with the huge amounts the government are now having to spend during this virus pandemic, I have a feeling that once again it will be the North that loses out on funding for huge infrastructure projects like this as they'll be cancelled or scaled back while this line will probably go ahead.
I'm sure it was Boris who called for it to be called the Churchill Line (among other comments here). Though I for one would love the Chelney Line name to live on. Not only does it have history it the various predecessor proposals it is also an established name among our circles. Anyway, I doubt Churchill would approve of having a railway named after him. From what I've read of him, he didn't care much for vanity though I could be sorely mistaken.
If the Victoria Line didn't already exist it would have been a good name for it.
Maybe the Boudica Line?
It probs most likely be called Charles or William Line.
Two years later and I can say Lizzy does work
maybe the crossrail 2 line will be called Charles ( for succession). He maybe become king by the time it opens
Well, I don't think so. And not that the line will be build.
Mega projects usual run between 3-5 times over budget, so it would probably end up being about 100 billion pounds. As for what to call the line, on the very slim chance that the Queen isn't still alive, it would probably be named after whomever has the crown.
What about building the line from Peterborough-Bedford and taking trains from the north directly into Clapham Junction? How much of the overcrowding is down to people simply transiting London when they don't need to?
I really hope they found a way for trains to serve Turnpike Lane, Alexandra Palace and Tooting Broadway
A good question is, what rolling stock would it use?
and would it be called the Charles Line maybe?
The only way to travel on full journey on Crossrail 2 is from Chessington South to New Southgate. On Crossrail 1 is Heathrow to Abbey Wood.
There is a arrow on the right in Hackney Central for the Eastern Branch up towards Basildon and 2 branches to Grays.This will stop through in East Ham.I live in East Ham.
How about ‘LINE OF CHARLIE’?
Call it Geoff
it’s time there’s a Geoff Line
anyone know the specific reason for broxbourne as an end point? the overground already goes to cheshunt
no its probably gonna be like the elizabeth line and continue further up the existing line, thats probably the end of the construction
@@thedumgamer2046 Then why does it show the existing branches at the southern end?
they havent got any more money to make it go further
They've made a right bllx of Crossrail 1 as far as money and Management are concerned....they should be building dolls houses for a few years as a practice
Perhaps Hornby could make a useful suggestion or two.
revise it to just go from Gatwick Airport, & Chessington South, using existing Rail corridors, before meeting up at Clapham Junction, From there, they can run through the existing planned route, before than continuing beyond Broxbourne to Hertford East and Stanstead Airport using the existing rail corridor.
As a Northerner I feel that London, as much as I love it. has had enough investment for now . In my opinion Crossrail 2 should only be considered when HS 2 and HS3 (Manchester to Leeds) are completed in full. Not wishing to sound alarmist,the current Covid 19 crisis will change the way the public views UK Government spending . They said that there was no magic money tree., but there is . It is called quantitative easing. It is now a magic forest the size of the Amazon rainforest.
But does that matter? What is money - only digits in a server in a bunker somewhere. Be good if we could have HS2 HS3 and Crossrail2. After all I am a railway enthusiast.
All trains should be double decker.
I really like the colour of the line. Mabye the colour that represents your train should be the colour of your train. Also, is Crossrail 2 going to use the class 345 as well?
hmmm, you're quite right. The 345 would be a bit too old, but that doesn't mean it won't be used anymore.
theyll be using 142 pacers with 5 units linked together to create a 10 car train. very comfy ride quality. ;)
By my eyes, probably not, if it would be released in the 2030's then it is likely that there would be a new model
This is way more exciting.
I love the background music.