Where Will The Bakerloo Extension Go To?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ต.ค. 2019
- The Bakerloo line is set to be extended south from Elephant & Castle to... where, exactly? We dispatched Geoff on a mission to find the sites where the new tube stations will be - and to explain how the line will connect up with existing stations on London's rail network.
It is great to see Geoff on a Londonist video again.
I came here to say the same thing 🙂
I didnt even realise at first
If Geoff is going to be a regular again, I might resubscribe
Same thought crossed my mind recently.
This is how I found Geoff, and glad I did
'The next station is Burgess Park, Exit here for Burgess park.'
Do they do that for Regent's Park? 😂
@@poteyatocheapp6978 They usually say "exit here for ZSL or London Zoo or something on that station"
@@KarimElhoussami oof ok
this is Lewisham exit here docklands light railways
I think it's pretty obvious
I agree Burgess Park would be a great name - before parkrun I didn't even realise it even existed. Definitely one of my favourites too.
Nah, don't call it that. A couple of decades ago a kid called Burgess was nasty to me at school and I don't want to be reminded of him.
Dave Sisson how would the Tube architects know that tho?
@@harry.dwyer16 How would the Tube architects know what?
@@Dave_Sisson Good one.
John Airey know that he was bullied by some called Burgess
Nice to see Geoff back on Londonist! It’s boring without him!
Also, I’ve seen Burgess Park mentioned as the name for one of the 2 tube stations with undecided names on TfL plans, so I reckon they’ll use that
You are here too.
Yes, I’ve been watching these videos for years - longer than this channel has existed!
I think I recall* TfL have a policy against naming new stations from local road names, so Burgess Park is reasonable, and I suspect Old Kent Road might get an exception for being very widely known.
*based on their response to suggested names on the proposed Watford Met. line extension
Well here’s the thing. If “Old Kent Road 2” doesn’t eventually become Old Kent Road, what other names could it take on?
I think Burgess Park for “Old Kent Road 1” would be very good. A very good geographical defining point!
That will be a great thing to see, much better service for south London.
Always good for tourism to put monopoly places onto the tube map.
Who wouldn't want to "go back to Old Kent Road", do not pass a cashpoint, do not withdraw £200
Then they'd be able to say you can take the Tube all the way from Old Kent Road to Mayfair. Would be better yet if they built or renamed a Mayfair station on the Piccadilly line, or perhaps Crossrail, since that's almost the right colour.
Jonty Levine that's the easy bit. Now try to find some Free Parking in London!
Highly unlikely that cash will exist in 10 years so you won´t be able to withdraw £200.
@@hannecatton2179 ok Mr acid trip
I'm gonna take my Tube to the Old Kent Road
I'm gonna ride 'til I can't no more
I got the Tesco in the back
hotelmario510 that’s y I watched this vid
I knew someone was going to do this
Someguy | Burgess Park attached
I'm gonna ride to the big Tesco
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
I'm in favor of Tesco's, Toys R Us, New New Cross Gate, and Matalan Stations.
Agreed on almost all, but let's make it Sainsbury's Petrol Station Station
I live in Lewisham Borough & there's a series of consultation events to take place. I'm all in favour of this much needed extension.
Toys r Us can’t be used anymore because it’s now a Lidl
Don’t you mean NEWER cross gate?
@@claudettestewart3711 same! The transport is quite bad compared to the rest of London.
Shoppers: How many shops do you want to demolish on the extension?!?
TfL: Yes
Yes, those retail parks are very important for many people. They'll just level them and stick up more flats.
Yes indeed.
They won't destroy the Tesco it's too big and beneficial to the local area.
@@98dizzard shops can be accommodated within new development if thought through. I use that tesco and the b&q thst is soon to be redeveloped. They both could be included if developers / council really wanted.
Someguy Tesco forever!
I really do love this guy. He’s a total train/ tube geek and makes you feel like you’re a bit of a train/ tube geek!
Finally a proper Londonist video with Geoff
Bakerloo all the way to Elmer's End!? I'll never take the 🚎🚎🚎 again!!! 😆
@Ng John Same thing.
I think that South London needs more TfL connections. The Bakerloo Line to Hayes would be great but I would also like the Victoria Line to extend to Crystal Palace via Dulwich and for the London Overground to take over some of the Southern and Thameslink routes (e.g. the Sutton & Wimbledon loop).
as someone who lives in dulwich/crystal palace its something i dream of every day... no more southeastern to victoria or bus to brixton PLEASE!
They've gone very quiet about this extension lately.. I hope it doesn't get dropped again, but I fear it will.
Alex McKenna I don’t think so, they are updating the BLE consultation page as we speak it’s no longer available to view so they must be doing something with it. Last week it was open to read.
Presumably Crossrail money woes?
There's a new consultation on Monday: consultations.tfl.gov.uk/tube/bakerloo-extension/
Not at all, we had an early presentation of consultation material at a meeting at New Cross Gate last Monday and the 2nd stage consultation starts next week through end December.
I saw leaflets being handed out in catford last week
That’s the one good thing about the New York Subway, usually no need to buy up properties and knock them down for the station buildings, just cut a few holes in the sidewalk for the staircases/escalators and at least one elevator (lift) since the actual stationhouse where you can buy tickets and swipe (tap is coming soon) is all underground. I do understand that in London the sidewalks are narrower so having a staircase taking over 90% of the walking space would be rather silly, but we also do have some stairways that sit just inside of a building (the MTA will buy a small part of a building for this... the 2nd Avenue subway also has ventilation buildings that do take over real estate nearby, but that’s not new. There is a strange looking townhouse in downtown Brooklyn where the windows are blacked out, because it’s an old vent and emergency exit for the 4 train. Today that building would be worth millions of dollars, but it’s original to the first parts of the IRT entering Brooklyn from the city.
Another fascinating and well-researched video, Geoff. Thanks.
It's up to us to make sure they call it Burgess Park.
1:02 - Is there a more depressing sight than the E&C shopping centre? It really is a toilet.
If you ever go to Norwich, Anglia square is somehow worse
Agree. It feels like an 80s time machine.
Apparently earmarked for demolition. Since its was the first, the government can put the boot in and list it.
Elshad Roy’s is a chain of shops mainly in Norfolk and Suffolk that is also an 80s time machine
Elephant and Castle, Stick it up your Arsehole !
Love to see your videos, Geoff. Also exciting to see London investing in infrastructure, something we've given up on in the U.S. as we sink slowly into disrepair.
Little fact: If the Bakerloo line got extended to Hayes, it would become the most southernly line on the tube as Hayes lies further south than Morden.
I haven't been down Old Kent Road or to New Cross for about ten years - and yet I recognise so much from this video...
I had no idea about the proposed Baker loo line extension. Please keep your excellent videos coming.
Excellent report. Thanks
Fame! Back on the channel - glad to see the team reunited.
A stop at Burgess park would be marvellous.
Hi Geoff. Always top railway information 👍🏻
Many years ago, I saw a diagram of an extension to the Bakerloo that went south-eastwards that included a station at BRICKLAYERS ARMS, with a view to connecting onto the line going to Peckham Rye.
Great video. I'm excited to see the Bakerloo line extension as soon as possible (if only it will be built)
Southeastern is a mess down to hayes it’d be great to have it to there
Great job of siting new stations Geoff.
He was just looking at this:
consultations.tfl.gov.uk/tube/bakerloo-extension-2017/
It's got the proposed sites all there.
So excited to see Geoff!
I remember going to the Sainsbury's in New Cross and it said there were plans to extend the station and Sainsbury's will have to relocate and they had a suggested alternative by Sainsbury's.
The Sainsburys in New Cross and the Underground station we're built on the land previously owned by the national rail station. Like with many train stations they sold part of their land to a supermarket and retail park because the railways no longer had to store coal at every station and cargo was handled by lorries instead of the railways so many train stations had part of their land sold to retail parks and supermarkets.
Thanks for the video Geoff have you ever considered making a video about the disused railways in south east London there was loads in the woolwich arsenal and Greenwich peninsula
love your style matey
As someone who formerly lived on Burgess Rd., Burgess Park is a great name!
As someone who lives in Bromley, im excited! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
I just looked on wikipedia, and i love that the proposal now says burgess park for the station name!
"Burgess Park... Old Kent Road... New Cross Gate...MORNINGTON CRESCENT!!"
Ah yeah, I remember watching a route learning video of those tunnels not too long ago (that Soi Buakhao posted), I was thinking of the extension! Some time ago they had a questionnaire about the extension but I haven't seen much until now. I see they have another consultation opening on the 14th...
I lived near Elephant & Castle for 2 years at University and never knew Burgess Park existed. They should definitely name a new station after it to make it more visible.
Great video. ☺️
Cool! Great to see the underground in southeast.
watch this be their most viewed video in a while. Purely because of Geoff!
In Washington DC, everyone LOVED a METRO stop with a big grocery nearby. Groceries are hard to find in big cities!
Gonna take my train down the Old Kent Road,
I'm gonna ride it 'til I can't no more
:P
Mouse-Floof i knew someone would do it
None of this would interest me unless it was put together in a nice youtube video - thankyou
Thanks for a very informative and accurate video. Just a couple of thoughts. First, you don’t mention the possibility of a station at the Bricklayers Arms roundabout, where the OKR actually starts. There’s been an active campaign for this. The gap between Elephant & Castle and OKR 1 is in fact unusually long - a problem which is masked by the inaccurate placing of Elephant and Castle on the TfL illustrative map (it should be further west). Second, on naming, I agree that Burgess Park would be an excellent choice for OKR 1. But Old Kent Road is unhelpful as a name for OKR 2, given that the road is so long (shades of Edgware Rd...). I wonder about North Peckham as a name - the location is very close to the former North Peckham Civic Centre on the corner of Peckham Park Rd. It sports a beautiful ceramic mural about the Old Kent Road’s history.
Yay, Geoff's back!
Looking forward to that...!
As someone who lived 'under' Burgess Park, at 94 Neate Street, I concur with the station name!! and yes, my surname is Burgess
This is exciting!
Agreed. Burgess Park (looks very pleasant) and Old Kent Road.
Great video
Yes Geoff back this show needs Geoff
2:43 that feels like a geoff video
YES! A Geoff Londonist vid!
I live by Stonebridge Park station and work very near to where the 'Old Kent Road' station could be. This would be absolutely perfect!
Apparently according to TfL the existing route from just south east of Lambeth North run down St George's Road through the middle of Elephant and Castle station at a new combined station (closure of the two existing entrances) then along New Kent Road. Meaning the existing Bakerloo line route from Lambeth North to Elephant Castle Route via St George's Circus will close.
The earliest it will open will be 2030 but it will be delayed due to engineering works
@@fantasticfox175 I doubt it. All major projects go over budget and over schedule. I would estimate 2040 - anything earlier would then be a bonus.
In China it only takes about 1 year. In here no.....
Don't worry, there will be a replacement bus service
@@linjane2210 trueeeee China only used like 2 or 3 years to build a 60km tube line with entirely underground
Excellent
Whatever next, the Central line extended back to Ongar, lol? Nice investigative work, Geoff
As of August,5th 2021 Elephant & Castle station is Bakerloo line terminus for
*115 Y E A R S*
I think they should extend the Bakerloo Line back to Watford Junction
Overground already covers it
@@Smart1529 The Bakerloo line currently gets in the way of the overground.
if they extend the Bakerloo Line to Watford Junction then the Overground line going there from Euston would be made redundant and would subsequently withdrawn without replacement and thats all because TfL hate overlapping services when it draws people away from using one service like when TfL cut back some bus lines to Beckenham Junction when the Croydon Tramlink opened in 2000.
@@wclifton968gameplaystutorials Interesting point because the overlap is only back as far as Queens Park and Bakerloo line services are already turned around there. However at Queens Park they have their own platforms (from memory). Whereas at Harrow & Wealdstone overground trains are held back by the Bakerloo line.
There's an argument for closing the Bakerloo line in its entirety in the tunnels and widening them for larger trains.
Why not extend the overground, say... build a fly over/fly under and take over the St Albans Abbey Branch?
When you said 2030 for completion, I was glad because I had this glimmer of an idea to do Tube Challenge in 2021. Not to get the record though just to do it
Ah man dont call Toys R Us old that makes me feel old xD Interesting vid as always tho Geoff ^-^
Blues Brothers...
All tube stations (Except one: Arsenal) are named after a real London place, so a toy reference is unlikely, despite being fun!
I guess he meant that its abandoned since Toys r us filed for bankruptcy in 2017
@@U_C_G well Woolwich Arsenal is an actual place, it's just not in Highbury & Islington!
John Airey not Woolwich Arsenal but Arsenal. I went there to see someone in Gillespie Road which is probably a previous name for that station as there was that name in the old tiling, pity it is probably hacked out by now during a renovation.
lol I love the voiceover at the end
Hayes evoked wild memories !
It’s somewhat weird seeing you in my area
Exactly - me too! I would want to meet up with him if I know l knew
I think he's from southwark
@@markmansfield8805 What Geoff
@@willplayfoot Yeah I believe, living in Orpington/Bromley atm sure he mentioned it in All The Stations
He lives in west london
I understand that OKR and Peckham Park Road is under consideration for a tube stop though it is fairly close to Burgess Park.
1:40 On the topic of Monopoly and the London Underground, you can get a tube Monopoly set with all the properties being tube stations and their colours even correspond to tube lines that serve them
I do like how he names these new stations.
That would be the best ideal route for the bakerloo line running via Kent road it's shame it was not built years ago would of been very handy.
Another name that they could call Old Kent Road 2 would be Brimmington Park as the park itself is a short walk down the road. It's also quite a nice park but smaller (and probably much quieter) than Burgess Park. So if tfl call it Brimmington Park I reckon it would attract some tourists to the area as they'll see not one but TWO park stations next to each other.
They could also stick down a station at St. John's while they're at it but I doubt if they will as the national rail station is fairly underused despite being next to Lewisham.
If you look from Camberwell down Camberwell new rd there is a bus garage on the left with a big sign that looks like a tube roundel sign. The rumour always was that it was the intended station.
Your Rode mic seemed to give better sound than the radio mic you have here - no worries - great video regardless!
I vote for Albany Road Station. Anything with the word "Burgess" brings back troubling memories and here in sunny Perth, Western Australia, I live near the Albany Highway.
With no rail links at present between New Cross Gate and Lewisham, a Bakerloo Line station covering this would certainly be something for locals to look forward to. Many will probably appreciate being able to change between different networks much more easily.
I got so used to Geoff making videos for his own channel, I didn't realise this was a Londonist video and got a confusing surprise at the end with the credits
Intresting video, a thought, obviously as explained far from certain what may transpire in the future, but suppose that the Bakerloo Line did actually expand to the maximum possible as described, would it then perhaps not be possible for a 'Tube Challenge' as the whole system could not be covered during one days service.
Off course possiblly there could be more all night services by then, so might still be possible if starting in the very early hours?
I'd like to see phase 2 split, one heading south and the other through grenwich and onto Dartford and Bluewater
Though with crossrail delays and all of that surely it would be the same with the bakerloo construction due to new tunnels?
The station on the Toys R Us should be named with a toy reference, Hornby maybe?
Cabbage Patch?
deancommissioning LEGO Friends
Barbie World?
Ten years? They'll have to buy the bit they want soon before a developer builds flats on it.
Monopoly, obvs!
Hey, I'm a sucker for future transport projects, and I love this idea despite that I don't live in London nor the UK. But as someone that some years ago had to take that line daily for a week, here's a wild thought: Why they don't just focus in buying some decent trains that aren't rotten as those that are still running today? Nothing fancy like what TfL had in mind years ago and never ordered, just some new decent trains. I can't believe that in six years time they progressed so much with Crossrail but haven't been able to buy some trains, they had plenty of time. This is not like those regional lines that have Pacers (where I live we have a similar problem) but one of the most important subway lines. I can imagine the frustration that daily Bakerloo commuters must feel.
They should extend the Baker loo line to Istanbul so that Harrow can be the beginning of the Orient Express.
Am I missing a joke or something here?
Well, until a Murder comes along
😂😂😂😂
The orient express, brought to you by small trains from 1972
But what zone would Istanbul be in?
Ther is a saying that National Rail want to give Hayes Line entirely to Bakerloo, which means Bakerloo can take over existing National Rail platforms for Hayes Line at New Cross Gate and Lewisham entirely, if they want to cut costs.
2:10 Instead of demolishing it, they could always connect the supermarket and the station together (which also might need a slight wall demolition).
My favourite line
Nice to see lewisham I wonder if welling will ever get a tube station and dartford to go straight into london while south eastern takes you into the heart of london vic with the tube you could go from one side of london to the other on one train also speaking of the bexlyheath line I can’t wait for the bulleid 4DD group to restore the 4DD and run it on the bexlyheath line and for Britain to get back it’s only double decker train and another part of bulleid’s legacy
It is a long way from New Gross Gate to Lewisham. Even the overground railway has a stop between New Cross and Lewisham at St.John's. So there should be an additional stop in the underground, too. Lewisham College would be a nice place for this stop because of the ... college ... and residential area around.
It won't happen. Building an Underground station is expensive. St Johns already serves the area.
1:10 yeah im gonna take a walk down the old kent road......
Yaaaay Geoff in my borough !
Bromley will have tube stations in Bromley, in the stations beyond New Beckenham.
Geoff - look at where you are standing at, at the big Tescos - before 1984 - used to be the biggest railway goods depot in the world - Bricklayers' Arms - at least check it out on an old map!
You should do the DLR extension to Dagenham Docks. Stopping at Beckton riverside ( Newham ) , Creekmouth ( Barking and Dagenham) , Barking Riverside ( Barking and Dagenham) ,Goresbrook ( Barking and Dagenham) and Dagenham Docks (Barking and Dagenham.) Please.
This will be good for South East London 👍
Germany - Bielefeld - Line 3 Station Nordpark
Brilliant
love it
Be useful if they put a station at Bricklayers Arms , although not very far from E&C and Old Kent Road 1 ( Burgess park) still relieve bus stress in rush hour. The Bakerloo line extension should have been done years ago, but I wouldn’t bet on them starting it anytime soon,