The London Underground Tube Map Of 2040
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Its shocking how no underground line goes through Old Kent Road despite how central a location it is.
The extension of the Bakerloo line is expected to include two stations on Old Kent Road.
One may still get called Old Kent Road, but this map shows them as Burgess Park and Brimmington Park.
I travelled on the one of the last trams down the Old Kent Road
@@michaelleiper I have lived on OKR for 40 years and I have never heard of 'Brimmington Park'. The proposals referred to OKR 1 and OKR 2. Burgess Park is certainly OKR 1 but the important cross street where OKR 2 is to be placed is 'Asylum Road' which is deemed problematic as a name; the 'asylum' is the fine set of buildings that were almshouses. I think the final proposal was that it be called 'Old Kent Road'.
@@uingaeoc3905 Brimmington Park is where the artificial football pitches are, down towards the Peckham end of Old Kent Road. Near the railway bridge over the road.
All to do with the soil being so difficult to tunnel through south of the river. Don't know how they managed it with the City and South London Line back in the old days but I think it's different now with automatic boring machines rather than teams of men digging away.
The Northern Line at Camden town has 2 pairs of platforms, one for each branch. No trackwork is actually needed to split the line. Camden town does however need a huge expansion in its padestrian interconnections as splitting the line would force a lot of people to transfer there. Currently the plans are to run a new central concorse between the pairs of platforms north towards the canal with a new entrance on Buck St. There is an issue with depots aswell that may need to be solved if the lines are to be completely operationally seperate.
The NLE has passive provision to go onwards to Clapham Junction and maybe onwards to Putney.
could we make the two halves the "Edgware line" and the "Morden line"?
Expanding a station like Camden Town though... *shudders at the complexity* I'm almost always in favour of public transport improvement projects but this one I'm pretty firmly against, at least right now. I don't believe there to be a good enough case for it.
@@Nooticus That's interesting - why are you against it?
@@notthatntg Edgham/Clapware and Barden/Mornet
The real problem with the expansion is that the building is Grade I listed, and they've tried and tried, but goooood luck.
They want to merge St Pancras (King's Cross) and Euston into a "mega station" but it'd be a nightmare, much like Bank and Monument which are the "same" station.
KX/St Pancras and Euston would be a Crossrail 2 mega station.
You mean like Chatalet on Paris's metro system.
The “seems useless”. London Overground route will become extremely useful once hs2 is built. As it will allow people from the Jubilee Line and Metropolitan lines to easily get to Old Oak Common Station.
Hey man I know you say this is your second channel, but for me - this is my first choice. You seem relatively smart and are likable - but Minecraft doesn't do it for me. Random map info does. Cheers. Been watching for a few years at this point and I appreciate your random knowledge.
For real, I didnt even know he was a gamer loool, Ive been watching him for years but always just assumed that he was joking about this being a 2nd channel, I thought it was his only one!
I only watch the 2nd channel.
Who cares about minecraft on a tube video
Wow, you got to Mornington Crescent without going into Nidd, I am very impressed.
Apparently the name Turkey Street comes from the Tokey family who lived in the area in the 15th century.
The "big house" on Turkey Street used to be a pub called The Turkey. Looks like it closed in around 2012.
The next station up from Turkey Street is Theobalds Grove, which must be one of the most mispronounced names in history.
I don't live to far from it, Turkey Street is my closest Station. Theobald's is pronounced Fear Balds 🤔
@@Pez1979 It’s pronounced Thear balds.
I've been to every station on my city's train lines. If I lived in London, I wouldn't even be able to say I went across town without getting lost.
There's something called the Tube Challenge, which is basically an ongoing competition to race by travelling to every tube station (currently 270, and this ignores overground, DLR etc) on the network in a day only using any public transport (including buses) or walking. It takes essentially all day, between 15-20 hours. The record was actually held a couple times by a popular TH-camr, who vlogs about the tube, of course.
@@Skasaha_ Geoff Marshall??
The Tube challenge is quite strict too. You can't do it at weekends (but they have lots of line closures then) and you must get to each station solely by the Underground so there's no cheating by walking to Kensington Olympia from Earls Court because you have to wait for a train and they're few and far between.
I like calling it the Greater northern and the lesser northern lines
We already have the Great Northern Railway, Northern Trains, Thameslink And Great Northern, the North London Line, and the Northern City Line. But hey - I'm sure another two Northern Lines couldn't hurt!
Northener/Northenest
Still too confusing. If the Northern Line is split as suggested the two new lines mustn't both have "north" as a component... users will inevitably get them mixed up. I've considered Northern (for BPS) and Southern (for Morden) although tbh I don't really believe that's ideal either. Mind you it'd prevent half of the signage alterations!
@Marcel Wiszowaty OK then we can split it into two with the nor line and the thern line
Superior Northern and Inferior Northern
Very nice video. I can see London expanding more with more lines being added and extensions being added as well. Very good work. 👍
Is there a Line that takes Londoners to Best Kebab?
yes, Thameslink from St Pancras/Farringdon/Blackfriars goes to Luton like every 15 minutes lol
@@Nooticus London Bridge and City Thameslink too
@@memediatek ofc
I think it’s really weird that Reading is on the tube map even though it’s definitely not in London. It seems that the line goes towards the north while it goes west in reality, you can really see the tube map gets more cluttered and squished together since it was first made
Reading might not be 'in' London but even before Crossrail it had some of the best connections to central London, better than many places within Greater London.
@@rogink Precisely, It’s quicker to get a train from Paddington to Reading (average 22min) than it is to take the tube to Aldgate (average 26min)
They ought to extend the tramlink north of Wimbledon, across Central London via the cross-river route (a scheme Boris Johnson threw out the window when he was London mayor) and north from King's Cross St. Pancras to Finsbury Park, Stroud Green, Crouch End, Highgate and then either to Muswell Hill, Alexandra Palace, Wood Green and further East or to East Finchley, Finchley Central (taking over the Mill Hill branch of the Northern line) Mill Hill East, Copthall, Mill Hill Broadway, Edgware, Brockley Hill, Elstree, Bushey and Watford.
Also, London Overground should reopen Primrose Hill Station (on a connecting "artery" route between Camden Road and South Hampstead and there's been a proposal to give each London Overground line its own name and colour.
I’m pretty sure that the northern line is going to get an extension to Clapham Junction, not sure why they didn’t show it on this map though.
You forgot to mention the Overground extension to Hounslow.
And Old oak common
The real problem they have with splitting the Northern Line (and they've tried) is that the building it's in at Camden Town is Grade I listed and the government and councils won't let them extend it to properly split the two tracks.
It's not just the one building, the original plan (from the 2000s iirc) called for demoliton of *several* buildings on that street.
@@tomwatts703 Ahh!
The Piccadilly to Ealing Broadway would actually reduce connections for Heathrow traffic as it would just load nore of it onto the Piccadilly. At least at current you can change and get to the whole Thames bank with the District.
The proposed Northern line split is feasible with a lot of expansion of the passenger concorse (platforms are already there), but the branches are incorrectly assigned here. Because of the geography of the exisiting tracks, the Edgware branch is easier into Bank and the High Barnet one into Charing Cross and Battersea.
Geoff Marshall needs to do a video on this too 😂😂
Note on the cross rail 2: the tunnel actually begins at Wimbledon. It does not use the existing line to Waterloo from Clapham. The new tunnel would start at Wimbledon so that it can go to balham or tooting and then to Clapham junction and across the river
There was also the Elizabeth line extension east of Abbey Wood and the new overground line going to Hounslow (which is why the line via Neasden is planned).
The two different branches of the Northern Line where originally separate lines, it was Underground Electric Railways of London that combined them. The Bank branch was the City & South London Railway, the first successful deep level, electric line, opened in 1890, whereas the Charing Cross branch consist of the Charing Cross, Euston & Hampstead Railway from 1907
7:48 "The problem is that the left branch goes not so far in both directions, but you could expand this if you wanted to..."
Oh boy. Is someone going to tell him?
Ok
*Cancelled Northern Heights Plan intensifies*
@@qtrainprod The sprawl MUST expand.......
With Heathrow it currently works cause the trains are running under ETCS, which allows for trains to keep moving more than traditional signalling systems. On the mainline it's a bit harder.
He also completely ignored the extension past Abbey Wood....
I hope we get more Metro map content in the future.
Why did you say it would be a bit ambitious to extend the Bakerloo line to Beckenham Junction and Hayes, which are zones 4 and 5 respectively - in a part of London that has nil other local tube lines?
I think the ambitious aspect would be the funding. I’m all for it, but I can’t see it being funded. I hope I’m wrong.
These mostly wouldn’t be new lines. From Lewisham to Hayes the Bakerloo extension would replace south eastern services (which locals allegedly don’t want). The only new bit would be a spur to Beckenham Junction. But it would all cost money even so - which London doesn’t have!
Honestly i think the north of london is really well connected and I think they should pritorise the southern bit of london like the Bakerloo and crossrail 2 extensions as well as the trams.
11:30 That is the proposed West Hampstead to Hounslow Line
Redding is probably a troll who wanted to infuriate new English speakers who learned reading
New Bermondsey is now called Surrey Canal
Interesting, but no mention of the Croxley Rail Link
That’s because the “save the met campaign” for watford was successful lmao my dad headed it
@@charliew729 Surely building the link would save, or at least help the met lmao
@@mar07in it’s more complicated then that. In theory the Croxley rail link would have come at the expense of the current watford met station
@@charliew729 Don't bring nonexistent nuance into the situation. The current Watford station serves nowhere. Taking it along that new route will make it much more useful to more people and increase passenger numbers. The old station can easily be reused for something locals want whilst preserving the architectural heritage of the site.
@@mar07in "it serves nowhere" except for the locals u mentioned a few lines later... It's not a nuance but rather an essential part of the livelihoods of people in the vicinity
This was a good video, but personally I think you may have focused too much on the drawn map rather than the physical. You mentioned quite a few times where certain things don’t make sense. And you’re correct, they don’t make sense, but only in terms of a drawn map. In a physical map, where you can see all the tracks and physical distances, all new stations, connections and extensions all make a lot of sense. I would really enjoy another video like this but where you just looked at the physical map :) thank youuuuuu,!
Cross rail 2 (if it happens) should definitely link to Heathrow too… saves a bus ride on the X26
This happens when Microsoft makes the “Better Together” edition of London.
Anyone watching in 2040?
Northern line is the way it is because Mill Hill East is a shuttle, and half the Edgeware and High Barnet services either operate via The City Branch or the Charing Cross Branch. London Underground desperately wants to separate them, but Camden Town couldn't possibly take the number of people interchanging. And they've never gotten the funding to do so, even after 20 years of asking.
In theory the Northern line branches through central London could take 36tph each, but because of the split it's only about 30tph, with major delays as soon as anything goes wrong.
Toycat is the new Geoff Marshall
Manchester is much more simpler. We have the Metrolink to serve local towns via Manchester City Centre then Victoria and Piccadilly for other trains going further adrift, there are a number of projects to use existing train lines for Metrolink hybrid tram-trains. In the near future, I could see this kind of map in Manchester.
Another scheme they should include is the DLR extension to Dagenham Dock, which Boris Johnson also threw out the window and should be restarted.
Gotta love maps. I had lunch with a fellow Gricer last week and found out he also loves maps.
I recommend looking at maps of suburban London from 100 years ago. It'll blow your mind how quickly villages became towns. It's like Cities Skylines in "endless money" mode.
the piccadilly and district are parallel at many stations in the west, u want to change then u do it one of the many stops.
Maybe if I keep praying, they’ll extend the LU to south east London zone 4-6.
Agreed. I'm not even from SE, but firmly believe that (to start off with) the Bakerloo Line extension to Lewisham is the most important thing that TfL should be focusing their resources on.
agreed im tired of the delays on the southeastern trains
I'm looking forward to them reinstating the connection between Croxley and Watford Junction via Watford High Street. Why does it always get left off the future planning maps?
I always thought LO to New Cross could be extended to Charlton via Lewisham and take over that line while the NR services could make use of the other route via Greenwich. Also I think linking CR2 to Epsom is daft given that Epsom already has a connection to Victoria.
Turkey Street is located in Bullsmoor but I guess it's just a more memorable name like the forthcoming Pineapple Road in Birmingham.
Also I'd advise against commenting on people's houses on public videos - bit like uploading pictures with strangers in to Facebook.
My thought for 2040: District line - Edgware Road - Wimbledon / Kensington Olympia branch may be separated from District line and forming Kensington line. Ealing Broadway branch for District line may retain and may eventually add an extra branch to Rayners Lane, while Piccadilly line may still also branch to Ealing Broadway (in that sense those Piccadilly line trains will no longer terminate at Rayners Lane but will all continue its way to Uxbridge).
Consolidation of DLR is missing - there's a dormant plan to replace Tower Gateway terminus with a through Tower Hill station on the Bank branch of DLR interchanging with the underground.
4:35 as somebody who lives in ealing (and local station on Elizabeth line) that sounds reasonable actually
This is such a random niche channel that fits my interests perfectly - it’s honestly bizarre.
I see they still have the Johnson dangleway in 2040... I expect that will be long abandoned by then!
Plus DLR can extend any to Dagenham Dock, Thamesmead, Charing Cross from Bank etc.
Some large clearly marked stations at the edge of the ULEZ zone would be extremely useful!
Park + Ride?
"... not actually that expensive to just dig a new tunnel in the center ..." LOL
I don't live in London, nor have I ever been on an underground train. So why did I watch this video? ...Because Toycat
There is talk of running a passenger shuttle down the tracks used by freight trains from Southall, under Three Bridges, and on past Boston Manor Park to the Great West Road near Brentford. Let’s call it the “Boston Manor Linkline”
they should incl the northern line extension to Clapham junction
If the Piccadilly line train took over the Ealing Broadway branch, what would happen to Chiswick Park station?
It shows the Piccadilly line stopping at Chiswick Park on the map.
I have actually caught a Piccadilly line train at Chiswick Park at around 5:30am on a weekend about 30 years ago.
No idea why it was running on the District line track that day (probably just the first train on Sunday or something - I was not normally there that early) - but it had switched to the Piccadilly line tracks by the time we got to Hammersmith.
This map shows Chiswick Park as being on the Piccadilly Line, but I suspect what would actually happen is that Heathrow trains would stay on the fast lines and bypass Chiswick Park, and Ealing Broadway/Uxbridge trains would switch to the slows and call. So the map would look just like the Northern Line between Camden and Euston -- replace Camden Town with Turnham Green, Mornington Crescent with Chiswick Park, and Euston with Acton Town.
@@alistairbell3935 Yes - probably true
bro forgot the "new" overground section from lionel road/kew bridge to hounslow 💀💀💀💀
AS SOON as i saw the thumbnail 2040 I KNEW you were a subscriber to Archaix Channel and this were going to be about the Phoenix.Event due : Unpause here we go!
12:50 there are plans to connect Euston to Kings Cross and St Pancreas
Interesting but in your comments you mention the tube limitations to/from Heathrow would extending the lines from Ealing to Heathrow provide better resilience when the Piccadilly line is closed for maintenance or due to incidents. It would allow the district line (as it currently is) and central line to serve Heathrow.
Great video
The Bakerloo extension from Lewisham would take over an existing tracks south eastern run so not that crazy an Idea at all
the ealing broadway change is not needed. you dont need two trains going to heathrow.
I love "Glouchester"! 🤣
3:37 You said correct: it’s glou-STER
By 2040 I would have thought that many of the lines will have been sold off to different operators and you'll need different maps for each owner.
The problem with the tube map is it’s no longer a tube map. It’s becoming more and more congested which makes it more difficult for people to understand.
Dont forget that New Cross and New Cross Gate to Shoreditch used to be the East London Line via Whitechapel
Crossrail 2. I am a bit surprised by the fact it will serve Victoria despite being a SWR line as I believe that there is a need to have better connections and increased capacity from Clapham Junction to Vauxhall, Waterloo, Leicester Sq then the Euston/Kings Cross/St Pancreas complex.
Leicester Square tube is too small and overcrowded so a line on Crossrail 2 serving an enlarger Leicester Square station could help manage demand from those wanting a faster connection to other major points such a mainline rail stations and even the British Museum which could be an intermediate stop heading north.
Omg I didn't know they'd expanded the Northern Line to Nine Elms / BPS!!!! I lived near there years ago before they built all those hideous buildings there.I can't stand Vauxhall and always used to walk to Stockwell instead. I prefer West London, though.
Nice dream, but if all this happens by 2040 I’ll be amazed! 😆
i fully think that the separated northern line should be called the northeastern line and the northwestern line and that is a hill i will die upon
I think a cross rail style railway in south east London around dulwich and Sydenham would be useful because there’s already track but different railways use it and nothing is part of tfl accept for the London overground line
I live near Surrey quays and the gal between Surrey quays and new cross is ridiculous, they could build new Bermondsey but south Bermondsey already exists as a station about 20 metres away from where the overground joins the tracks, also this would be right outside the Millwall stadium
ibx2cat seems unaware of the proposal to change the representation of the Overground routes with colours and names for the different sections.
The confusion of the western ends of the District Line could be simplified if the actual routes from the South and West branches to and from Edgware Road, an actual Terminus, were distinguished with a different colour and formally named by the term used internally at TfL as 'West London Services'.
The only trains that (regularly) go to Edgware Road are the ones from Wimbledon so you wouldn't really be making anything much better
Hey, I’ve been on a hidden london tour today and they confirmed the bakerloo line extension to Lewisham
I suggest that there are too many words that need to spoken in this video, so the delivery tends towards gabbling. I suggest the video is split into two parts of the same length which adds space to slow down the delivery of the words. I suggest this can be done by 2040. If it works for the London Underground, then it can work for this video!
You forgot the extension from Abbey Wood on the Elizabeth line!!!
District line does good service to Ealing Broadway.
Nice drawing lines on the map, but such are the financial problems of TFL and the decline in passenger numbers that we’ll be lucky to retain the network we have now let alone add to it. The Bakerloo Line extension to Lewisham is first in the queue for any new projects, but conversely there has been talk of mothballing the entire existing line as it is in dire need of modernisation. Meanwhile the inhabitants of West Wickham and Hayes allegedly don’t want any tube extension that comes near them as it would replace existing south eastern surface rail service.
Great to have your enthusiasm though. Could you try to speak a bit more slowly?
1:37 Why wouldn't there be I intermediate station to the north of Morden as an interchange between the current tramway lines 2 & 4 and the suggested one? Isn't the Battersea Power Station extension enough interconnectivity neglegt? Why would they be building milelong mined tunnels for a deviation of Crossrail 2 to the Northern Line (instead of going underground for the core just to the south of Victoria), but not be connecting the Bakerloo's Lewisham extension to the Overground's South London or doing minor adaptions for a modern cohesive topology not just for traditional radial commuting?
6:35 Camden Town already has 4 platforms. And isn't it a benefit to reach each of the two branches in the alternate set over Camden Town without changing as long as TfL is able to keep pace operationally?
Surprised no extension of the District line from Richmond to Heathrow via Twickenham, Twickenham Stadium and Feltham (Mainline railway).
The connectivity of Wembley is far superior to Twickenham but this needs to be addressed and linking our major sporting venues to major transport infrastructure could be improved such as Twickenham to Heathrow or Stratford to Stansted. Wembley I will comment separately on.
There was a crossover at Richmond to allow for this that has now been removed.
@@davidflack6430 a real shame as we should be promoting public transport to get to tourist attractions and sporting venues so this is a real shame. If it had continued to Heathrow then it would help with transporting fans needing to use air travel to get to London.
theres also some kind of elizabeth line extension to dartford and kent on that map, id be surprised if that happens by 2040 lmao
It missed off the Elizabeth line link to Ebbsfleet!
The map misses out the line from Upminster to Grays.
Apparently Tokestreete stream was the original name.
Named after a family.
Your bike wouldn't last 5 mins at Turkey Street. It's not rural and it is a complete hole.
I find your ideas very interesting ibx2cat. However our solutions will be very different and my vision for 2040 will be nothing like the map what you review in your video. Please let us exchange ideas and solutions as I am intruiged to know what your solutions are for London!
forgot the overground extended to hounslow
Video: Do this kind of video, but for Merseyrail. With the new battery electric trains being rolled out, it opens up quite a few possibilities for network expansion in the future, especially if using the timescale of 2040.
ibx2cat, there's one extension to Clapham Junction from Battersea Power Station has given approval, if there was on news or not, check the latest on rail if they have, (otherwise if I get wrong because TfL / MoL hasn't announced yet, is there(?)).
That Bakerloo line extension is wrong! It should go to Camberwell just like the proposals from ages ago, this map is wrong!
For the new cross overground to be extended you'd need to rebuild the station entrance
This is assuming that London can continue swallowing up the lions share of spending on transport investment. Its time that rest of the regions in the country had decent public transport. Leeds is the largest city in Europe that is still totally reliant on buses and the situation elsewhere is not much better. Buses outside of London are expensive, unreliable and not that frequent with many areas having nothing in an evening or on a Sunday. Manchester has a decent tramway and our other big cities need to be bought up to this standard first. Rail has been badly neglected for decades especially in the north and is crying out for investment. I am sure that Londoners would have loved riding the pacers that were an everyday event for the people of Manchester and Leeds. Then there are the issues that occurred with the Elizabeth line as it was way over budget and heavily delayed. Time for a rethink on how we invest in public transport. London is not the centre of the universe.
By 2040 the Northern Line (West) is likely to be extended by 2.4km from Battersea Power Station to Clapham Junction.
Hold on. You got rid of Ealing Broadway on the Central line in your other video. Now you've destroyed the District line link so they have to use the Elizabeth line or nothing.
This isn't his map or ideas
Bro forgot Elizabeth line to Watford or Tring 💀
You never said about metpoton line on tfl map fast and semi fast ?
I don't think extending tube lines into all those other lines is really needed, and stuff like New Cross, while odd, makes best sense as a connection. I think the Tube Map not including all those other services is just misleading when perhaps some sort of centralization of station identity/interchanging and pay, assuming it's not already the case. I don't really know the in and outs of Oyster.
Predicting the present is always easier than predicting the future....
So confused of your Piccadilly line to Ealing Broadway to give an option to Heathrow via XR? Was it meant to be a joke?
Crossrail 2 would cost an estimated £38bln, double Crossrail.