Shameless: Is Change Possible? | Video Essay

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  • We discuss what we've learned about William H. Macy's Frank Gallagher, Emmy Rossum's Fiona, Lip, Ian and the rest of the Gallagher clan over the seasons (up to season 8). "Shameless" is a show about addiction, about poverty, about family. It’s a show about whether change is possible. Every character wrestles with bad habits and self-destructive habits as they cope with their environment. "Shameless" show how difficult and rare it is for people to truly change.
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  • @thetake
    @thetake  7 ปีที่แล้ว +56

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    • @pranavkhismatrao5227
      @pranavkhismatrao5227 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @emiliohidalgo5927
    @emiliohidalgo5927 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1657

    I've met many people like Frank in my life, and the majority of them seem to be really smart people. But the thing about smart people is how they can easily fall into a state of nihilism, when they are too aware of how meaningless our struggles are when the end result never changes, so they just say "fuck it" and just live out their lives in pure hedonism.

    • @thetake
      @thetake  7 ปีที่แล้ว +102

      Absolutely, Emilio. We actually have an essay coming about two characters who think this way, stay tuned.

    • @ashham9183
      @ashham9183 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      ScreenPrism rick and frank?

    • @nevermind-he8ni
      @nevermind-he8ni 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You say that like its a bad thing.......

    • @asnab140
      @asnab140 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      in therory i kind of like that, in practice it seems like hell

    • @NEDMKitten
      @NEDMKitten 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      fuck

  • @Melissa-tw2gp
    @Melissa-tw2gp 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1595

    The most real and relatable show about living poor I’ve ever seen.

    • @NoName-vl4lv
      @NoName-vl4lv 6 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Melissa I’ve had friends and family in similar(less exaggerated) situations and yes they got as close as they could while still being entertaining

    • @camiloarango9943
      @camiloarango9943 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Poor in the U.S hahahaha

    • @camiloarango9943
      @camiloarango9943 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Joey you're right, I'm just saying is not as bad

    • @camiloarango9943
      @camiloarango9943 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Joey I actually agree, sorry that comment was kinda in the moment

    • @bluecomet1109
      @bluecomet1109 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      For me it was malcolm in the middle

  • @Beforethecredits
    @Beforethecredits 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1736

    Shameless is the best accidental watch I ever had. I hope the new season is good.

    • @Liphzzy
      @Liphzzy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Same. Remember when I first saw it in tv at like 1 in the morning and I thought "W T F is going on in that show", and I was even more suprised when I googled the show and found out that it had 6 seasons at that point.

    • @thetake
      @thetake  7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      We really hope so too!

    • @Liphzzy
      @Liphzzy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That would be a pretty long song though.

    • @stinkyassclown4602
      @stinkyassclown4602 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      PariSitic Pictures I hope it never ends lol

    • @kaitlynmckessy5772
      @kaitlynmckessy5772 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Before The Credits please, look at my profile on here

  • @jamesgleyo4470
    @jamesgleyo4470 7 ปีที่แล้ว +718

    This show is truly underrated. You feel and understand what this show is about, the frustration of how each and every character in this show tries to pull themselves up from their own lives.

    • @thetake
      @thetake  7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Absolutely!

    • @hippiecheezburger5457
      @hippiecheezburger5457 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Imagine rewatching the show in 10-20 years, this has got to be one of the most well written shows about characters and life ever created. I love it and after 9 seasons it has never once disappointed me

    • @Toocoolforschool573
      @Toocoolforschool573 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      People hate on it and this really is a good show

    • @lukedaley17
      @lukedaley17 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This American adaptation of Shameless is great at representing Addiction, working class and poverty just like the original UK did.

  • @DCMarvelMultiverse
    @DCMarvelMultiverse 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1039

    Sad that Shameless is the most realistic TV view of poverty.

    • @dylanmaes98
      @dylanmaes98 7 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      Lost Age Comics not so much now but the first three were very realistic

    • @irishwilliams28
      @irishwilliams28 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      they're not really in poverty anymore

    • @50ShadesOfEndo
      @50ShadesOfEndo 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dylan Maes What makes the following seasons less realistic?

    • @A.C._
      @A.C._ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      Albin Lundholm The fact that they're all still alive lol

    • @sir_aken9706
      @sir_aken9706 6 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      Having been in poverty, I wouldnt say this is a great picture of it but it’s a good picture of the habits that perpetuate poverty.

  • @mint139
    @mint139 7 ปีที่แล้ว +669

    seriously..very underrated and my guilty pleasure...

    • @priceless2353
      @priceless2353 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      mayur reddy i to watched this show before they put it on Netflix; its crazy how much it has blown up since last fall

    • @hush64
      @hush64 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It's not underrated

    • @mikeandkimarecool
      @mikeandkimarecool 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      pssst yeah it is .... i mean its blowing up now .... 8 seasons in lol ..... The fact that Emmy Rossum hasn't won an Emmy yet is a travesty.

    • @qu4droph3nia
      @qu4droph3nia 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Why is your guilty pleasure?

    • @acsicnarflen5398
      @acsicnarflen5398 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Because it's probably something you can't watch with your parents

  • @WiseAilbhean
    @WiseAilbhean 6 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    "drinking turns the volume down. Makes the world more tolerable." That is way too true.

  • @---fn7lh
    @---fn7lh 6 ปีที่แล้ว +248

    At the end of shameless season 8 it is reviled that Frank went to college and would of had a very successful life then he meet Monica

    • @exfactorygirl
      @exfactorygirl 6 ปีที่แล้ว +91

      Yeah... It broke my heart. I have always put all the shame on Frank. Sometimes you forget Monica is to blame too. Sure, she had mental illness but still...

    • @orangewerty
      @orangewerty 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@exfactorygirl monica isnt really to blame. In previous episodes we can see that frank is severely abused and hes been drinking since hes a kid. I feel like he blames monica for his downfall bc he knows that hes gonna fall into addiction anyway and its easier to blame someone than bllames himself. Hes a narcissicist through and through

  • @realSimoneCherie
    @realSimoneCherie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    Even if you aren't a fan of Shameless, it's character development paints the most accurate picture of poverty in popular television in a long time. It's not as simple as just a tale of addiction. Substances and crime are frequent in many neighborhoods, and income (or lack thereof) is the consistent, punishing force at play in these neighborhoods - across races, sexuality, generational differences, and differences in intellectual ability.

  • @JulietteVeronica1201
    @JulietteVeronica1201 5 ปีที่แล้ว +163

    "We're all addicts, someone's vices are simply more healthy than with others."
    This sentence (commented from David Orvik before me) hit home with me, because I often self indulge myself with music and characters from stories since I was in 4th grade and now it has evolved into Broadway. I love to get into each character's head, dig into their minds, find out their demons, find out their backgrounds, watch each actor take on their own part of the role and try to separate them from each other, etc. It has become into addiction, and the reason why I do that is because it distracts me from my own insecurities so I often dig into someone else's problems. I do the same thing with literature, movies, tv. I love picking apart stories and getting into the writers' minds and learning. It's my break away from my own problems. I'm not saying my "addiction" is equivalent to alcoholics or drug addicts, or even food addicts, at all but it is crazy how one thing can consume everything else in your entire life and you don't even realize it.

    • @TheAnnoyingRyan
      @TheAnnoyingRyan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I really thought i was the only one who felt that way for a while and maybe still now I saw it as a flaw, and i still somehow really hate that part of myself that commits so much to fictional characters just to avoid building my own self or fixing it, i just attach myself to whoever i can relate to and go deep in that character's psyche just to try to like myself more by giving myself traits characters i admire have.
      A year ago i met someone like that and it did change the way i viewed it but just like you for me it started in 4th grade and now as a 21 year old i still can't escape that, nothing has changed except the fictional characters i attach myself to, it used to superheroes and cartoon characters and now it's characters like Lip or Don Draper or Tyler Durden, and I find myself doing dumb shit like smoking and doing drugs just because i try to attach myself to something that is not me and holy shit some days it hits and i feel devoid of personality. Thank you for this comment, posted on the only good exploration and analysis on the internet about my favorite show

  • @muhetojess7105
    @muhetojess7105 7 ปีที่แล้ว +284

    don't you guys see it , give Frank a portal gun and he is Rick sanchez

    • @thetake
      @thetake  7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      We do see it, stay tuned :)

    • @itsDjjayyArt
      @itsDjjayyArt 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Basically

  • @QazwerDave
    @QazwerDave 7 ปีที่แล้ว +405

    We're all addicts, someone's vices are simply more healthy than with others.

    • @thetake
      @thetake  7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      True true

    • @thebeastlyape
      @thebeastlyape 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Amilliya Sadeh you're gay

    • @BoRickersonMcFoosters
      @BoRickersonMcFoosters 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Amilliya Sadeh fuck no the actors are horribly cringey

    • @dakodabaldur3037
      @dakodabaldur3037 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Amilliya Sadeh That's why it has so much lower rates than us shameless

    • @freshnigiri
      @freshnigiri 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      David Orvik nice pfp

  • @Vedurin
    @Vedurin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    The show always gives us the hope that change is possible time and time again, because that's actually what it takes to really change. If you give up changeing once your fail, you will never change a single thing.

  • @BeGlamourlicious
    @BeGlamourlicious 4 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Frank is an absolute trashy dad. He is a narcissist and never ever done something nice for anybody. Something I loved about the show was the unconditional love between the sibling. That makes it so good and more bearable.

  • @MLSoll
    @MLSoll 6 ปีที่แล้ว +271

    The thing about Shameless is that the most messed up couples are the best ones: Ian and Mickey, Fiona and Jimmy, Mandy and Lip...
    I mean you REALLY appreciate characters like Mickey when Ian is pared up with characters like Trevor

    • @queenmaoasada8447
      @queenmaoasada8447 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      A.M Lash Mandy and Lip??? I could never buy him liking her... They made a big mistake with the casting of Mandy #2... Seemed like they were trying to find someone with Mandy #1’s general vibe, instead of casting another really talented actress. After Season 1, everything Mandy-related is painful IMO. Lip and Karen had an awesome and very fucked up relationship that was interesting from start to finish. And if you haven’t checked out Black Sails, I highly recommend it, not only ‘cause it’s an excellent show but because Zach McGowan (Jodie) is an excellent and unrecognizable actor.

    • @rumblefish9
      @rumblefish9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Mickey and Ian ended up to be the most fulfilling and strong relationship in the show. No matter how fate kept them apart, they were always drawn to each other.

    • @Gabriel-rb8tw
      @Gabriel-rb8tw 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Kev and V are the best couple by far, they got through the most messed up arc maybe in TV shows history and stuck together by each other’s side. They always remained so supportive towards one another. Goated couple in my opinion

  • @isabellabornberg2153
    @isabellabornberg2153 7 ปีที่แล้ว +209

    This analysis is very good, you put into words what I always feel when I watch it

    • @thetake
      @thetake  7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks Isabella!

  • @lingeringquestions519
    @lingeringquestions519 7 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    This sums up the repetitive strikes against the characters and the silver linings perfectly. We want them to succeed and we have to understand why they don't.

  • @pinkysaints2309
    @pinkysaints2309 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I would love to see an episode on Ian and Mickys relationship through the seasons it’s a super interesting relationship

  • @abigailbartlett6084
    @abigailbartlett6084 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I love how in season 5, when they were dealing with gentrification, they didn’t make it this big bad villain to overcome by the end of the season, they just treated it like how it would feel in real life

  • @TiciTotyTony
    @TiciTotyTony 7 ปีที่แล้ว +700

    Frank: Gluttony
    Fiona: Pride
    Lip: Wrath
    Ian: Lust
    Debbie: Sloth
    Carl: Greed
    Sam (Franks other daughter): Envy

    • @TiciTotyTony
      @TiciTotyTony 7 ปีที่แล้ว +185

      I did not include Liam cause he is too innocent.

    • @GrammarNazi49
      @GrammarNazi49 7 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      Tony Lawliet fiona should be lust lol

    • @jbasti227
      @jbasti227 7 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Damn that's actually really accurate

    • @kittygrimm7301
      @kittygrimm7301 7 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      I actually thought Lip was more Lust and Carl more Wrath.

    • @Xineal
      @Xineal 6 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      I don't particularly think Debbie's slothful, she was shown from the beginning to always want to grow up too soon, she just wasn't ready for the consequences of it. I think envy is more her thing, bc she spent a lot of seasons comparing herself to the only other woman she really knows, Fiona, who always (seems to) have shit put together and is beautiful to boot.
      Sam doesn't count. Sam never counts.

  • @elliepaterson0420
    @elliepaterson0420 6 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Carl is working up to be the family redemption

  • @camilledeleon4535
    @camilledeleon4535 7 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    A lot of these points make me realize why I'm still not finished with this series, even though I like it. The frustration of them not changing or changing too quickly in a way I wasn't expecting is hurting my chances of continuing on with the story or not.

  • @HanselJesusMoyaRivera
    @HanselJesusMoyaRivera 7 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Beautiful and chaotic show

  • @fuzzydunlop1988
    @fuzzydunlop1988 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    It's all utterly heartbreaking. It hurts even more that pretty much everybody can empathise with the characters.

  • @jessicahopkins9945
    @jessicahopkins9945 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The answer to if you can ever get out of it is no. You can gain education and wealth and success but it always follows you. It is shame, anger, fear, it is knowing that old life is always just around the corner. It is a hardness and an ability to adapt. Even when you have reached success you never fully feel like you belong. It is a thousand days of experiences that would shatter the world of a normal person but to you is just normal.

  • @mintyglitches
    @mintyglitches 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    i always think about how frank could have been an amazing business man or professional con artist but because of his world views he behaves as if he were one but without any professionalism behind it and ends up having to struggle through life as a result of it

    • @GirlDo3
      @GirlDo3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      He would've been an amazing politician. Corrupt, good speeches, fake promises that people eat up. Frank would've become the fkn president.

    • @Gabriel-rb8tw
      @Gabriel-rb8tw 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I always thought that he would start a cult at some point.

    • @georgech6006
      @georgech6006 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "Wold views" "could have been a good something?" Really?. he is a typical alcoholic and a horrible father, equally horrible human.

  • @naturalQueeP
    @naturalQueeP 7 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Your addiction dictates your lifestyle and outcomes.

  • @jbasti227
    @jbasti227 7 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    So happy you guys made this! Really excited for the season premiere

    • @thetake
      @thetake  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks Joseph! So are we!

  • @Miriam-ys9pp
    @Miriam-ys9pp 6 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Mickey deserves so much better

    • @ghaddy9979
      @ghaddy9979 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Miri Jdowokadbakoy .. Sooooo right.. Noel need to come THE FUCK back!!
      #gallavichEndgame ❤
      #Gallavichforever ❤
      #Bringmickeyback ❤

    • @queenmaoasada8447
      @queenmaoasada8447 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Ghadeer Gallavich I know Noel Fisher has “made it,” but I don’t think he’s appreciated nearly enough. He’s *amazing* in every role, and totally different. He was so good on The Riches. He was the only palatable thing about Hatfields & McCoys. He is one of the best young actors in Hollywood, IMO.

    • @darleneeverson4733
      @darleneeverson4733 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@queenmaoasada8447 I thought this comment section was about shameless! what, are we going to discuss every actor that plays a character on the show? Why turn it into Noel this and Noel that and Noel played this role and was best in that role in that show. My God, give it a rest! Yes he is a great actor and Mickey is a lovable character but damn get a life! Now go sound the alarm with ur hashtag alerts to bash someone with a grip on reality!

    • @angiepangie9106
      @angiepangie9106 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@darleneeverson4733 this is literally a comment about his character??? why are you mad they’re talking about the actor man?

  • @luciienprinc3-molina359
    @luciienprinc3-molina359 7 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    This video is amazing, I always wondered why I kept coming back to this show season after season even though they would constantly frustrate me

    • @thetake
      @thetake  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Lucien

  • @starboy7318
    @starboy7318 6 ปีที่แล้ว +231

    "the system is rigged against them" *pans over to Fiona going to jail because Liam got into her coke*

    • @lachlanhargrave3193
      @lachlanhargrave3193 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      sarah left-wing empath free thinker provocateur accepting any responsibility whatsoever might actually mean they’d have to change their behaviour lol

  • @suez8763
    @suez8763 7 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    i wish more people watched halt and catch fire, that show lends itself perfectly to video essays, especially character and relationship studies

    • @davidjohnston6993
      @davidjohnston6993 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, just added it to my netflix list!

  • @hollzee7181
    @hollzee7181 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    the message of the show is you can't change anyone if they don't want to. in the orignal show frank does not change til he loses all of his kids. as they have grown up and moved on. in this version we see that small glimmer in frank that he truly wants to change but is afraid to do so. it would be so good if they do the gallagher kids justice and give them their father. and give us fans the happy ending we all desire for them

  • @hippiecheezburger5457
    @hippiecheezburger5457 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Gotta say I think Shameless is one of the most well written shows I have ever seen and will ever see. I love how it shows life as it really is, people who are not perfect just trying to pull it together and be better then they were yesterday.

  • @zombelladonna
    @zombelladonna 6 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    I identify so much with Fiona, and I guess I feel a bit differently about the show; because I’ve lived it. Good video though, pretty accurate and well thought out

    • @rachelgpryor
      @rachelgpryor 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I always have a hard time watching it because of that. It's like looking in a mirror for me, and is this reminder that I'm never truly out of the cycle mentally as hard as I keep trying to be.

  • @aliahpater3176
    @aliahpater3176 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Are you guys going to do a character analysis series when the show is over like you did with Mad Men? I feel like it would be well worth it, after 11 seasons it would be great to see an in depth analysis of every character. Thank you and I love this channel so much !!

  • @jenniehuebner3696
    @jenniehuebner3696 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Whether a Family is poverty or not I think anyone who watches Shameless can relate. Every Family has the “7 Deadly Sins” and struggles in some way or another. That’s why this show is “addicting” to so many.

  • @suzannemilton8346
    @suzannemilton8346 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I so became hooked on this show! I don't have any of these issues in my life, but this show is so wonderfully done and has awesome actresses and actors that totally hold my attention! Miss Fiona (Emmy Rossum). Wish there'd be more seasons and episodes. Well done!

  • @faithdaqueene
    @faithdaqueene 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When I was like eight I started watching this and I’m never going to stop

  • @MaybeCanNotBe
    @MaybeCanNotBe 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    one of the most underrated shows on television rn imo

  • @mariesmith6744
    @mariesmith6744 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Everyone has dysfunctional families, but I grew up very close to how the family in this show was depicted, too close for comfort at some moments. But damn they got it right and it's one hell of a show I love it. I wish Emmy had come bk for last episode but we live in an imperfect world.

  • @luckyshaz703
    @luckyshaz703 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Shameless is the best show that has ever and will ever exist. this was a great review. i wish you had included Kev and Vee clips in there, but still good.

  • @jiawei9022
    @jiawei9022 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Somehow I love this video so much. It shows so much understanding, not only towards Shameless but also life.

    • @thetake
      @thetake  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks so much Jia! We appreciate that

  • @mieshonwalker8635
    @mieshonwalker8635 6 ปีที่แล้ว +365

    Mickey was the best thing to happen to Ian!

    • @queenmaoasada8447
      @queenmaoasada8447 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Mieshon Waller Noel Fisher is a treasure

    • @fedelrux_hsl
      @fedelrux_hsl 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Hell no! Maybe they live one of the best romance of all the show (my fav one stays the kev/Veronica one - they stay together all along the show) but Mickey was, from the start and then became more and more, unhealthy to Ian. Until the last time that he goes to jail I thought that Ian could have changed him, but as we see him become responsible, meet Trevor, etc, I just had that feeling that, yeah, even though his feelings for Mickey were more intense than for any other guys, Mickey still was pulling him under.
      Sorry for my wrong English ^^

    • @aifos01
      @aifos01 6 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Rachel Schol lmao no Mickey is not unhealty. Maybe at first? But EVERY couple in Shameless are kinda unhealty and toxic. Mickey always helped Ian and he loves Ian a lot. They will be endgame and I am sure.

    • @fedelrux_hsl
      @fedelrux_hsl 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That was my first feelings about Ian and Mickey, that of course Mickey helped Ian alot, regardless of his bipolar syndrom (which is one of the greatest proof of love). But, as I said, as Mickey goes to jail,we see Ian's life objectively increase of level of living, even though he seems happier with Mickey than with any other guy in the show : he gets a job, stops dancing an selling his body in the club, and even more finds satisfaction in this kind of new life. And then at the moment Mickey reapears in the show, Ian suddently leaves his job, family and security to follow him. That too is a huge proof of love.
      I think Ian's story is balancing between stable life with security, and love, which make them be the most romantic couple of the show. But my opinion stays the same: Mickey is pulling Ian under

    • @camirodriguez9114
      @camirodriguez9114 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      they were the best thing that happened to each other, if it weren't for ian then mickey would probably not have come out or would be married to some women. they were good for each other, even though it could SOMETIMES get toxic, i still lov them though and they are my otp of alllll time and im suing the show if they aren't endgame.

  • @sx20Ramar
    @sx20Ramar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I'm addicted to this show! Shameless is my favorite show on TV. I started watching this show in the middle of season 4. After watching the rest of that season, I went back & watched season 1-3. The 10th season has a big hole in it where Fiona used to be. But still, the remaining characters keep coming up with stuff that is so real & edgy, that I really hope there is an 11th season! Macy is amazing.

  • @andrewb1147
    @andrewb1147 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thank you for another insightful and properly articulated video! I'm a Fan!

    • @thetake
      @thetake  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the kind words Andrew!

  • @jif635
    @jif635 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    12:11 I think that's a very good point about the movies and why they always left me kind of bitter lol. As if people could really put the past where it belongs, I'm not saying we're all slaves to our past traumas, but it'd be nice if movies captured how trauma does linger, how people relapse; it doesn't all just go away with one "life-changing" experience.

  • @ruijua
    @ruijua 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Make a follow up video! The merits in the points made here we’re really close to the season finale. The show ended with Frank and it began with Frank. Explore that! And thanks for making these videos :-)

  • @VioletEmerald
    @VioletEmerald 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What a great video essay!! I love discovering that you've analyzed another favorite show of mine. This is such a compelling explanation of what we who enjoy about the show enjoy about it.

  • @ginnychase9466
    @ginnychase9466 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    i actually love this verbal essay!

  • @princesslulu5795
    @princesslulu5795 6 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    I think calling Fiona's choice to cheat on her bf with his brother, use coke, and get fired from her job after nearly losing her siblings "circumstances beyond her control" isn't 100% accurate. The social services thing I agree. And yes once she went on the downward spiral I agree that it makes sense she struggled (and I believe still does today) with trying to make things right. But all of that particular downward spiral in season 4 started with something she had control over. It all started when she chose to cheat on Mike with his brother Robbie while he was passed out in the next room, and then again several more times even before she started using drugs Robbie gave her. Maybe it could be argued that her environment didn't provide good role models growing up but she's an adult now who's the guardian of all her siblings. I get this is all tough but I don't think it is totally accurate to portray all of Fiona's mistakes as something beyond her control. Some of her choices are ones she clearly didn't have to make one outcome but did so anyway because it was easy or it fulfilled some selfish desire. Sure it's not like no one has ever done this, and sometimes more than we'd like to admit, but I have a hard time feeling bad for Fiona when her own selfishness comes back to bite her, just like when it happens to others on the show.

    • @mikaylamcfadden7866
      @mikaylamcfadden7866 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      PrincessLuLu I agree. I sympathize with Fiona’s situation, but I don’t believe she is blameless. The idea that we are predetermined by our parents, I think is really toxic. Everyone has a chance to change but self acceptance is necessary.

    • @TonyRedgrave1501
      @TonyRedgrave1501 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think one of the reasons she cheated on that boyfriend/boss and later on that musician guy was that they were kinda "boring" and too friendly. The one guy himself and Veronica pointed this out. That's a problem with a lot of women I know. They search for a prince but in the end they want someone that threats them bad and makes them angry from time to time and is kinda "cool" and mysterious just like the brother from her boss or Jimmy.

    • @exfactorygirl
      @exfactorygirl 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      No, Tony, that's a quite common misunderstanding. For sure there are lots of women really into "the bad guy" but please don't forget that when someone came from a dysfunctional family is kinda hellish having a meaningful relationship. Those people never got loved or cared in their childhood and they're sort of incapable recognizing healthy feelings, they're just repeating their story life of being neglected by choosing shitty men. It takes years and often therapy to break this vicious circle, but they can get over it successfully in the end.
      Sorry for my bad English.

    • @krd2331
      @krd2331 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It’s called bad writing.

    • @aduckwithayoutubechannel
      @aduckwithayoutubechannel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@krd2331 honestly? Yeah. I agree. Something I’ve always disliked about Shameless is that whenever the writers can’t immediately think of something they fall back on blatant degeneracy. The show pretty much drove itself into the ground on this principle. It gets well past the point where you can revel in the downfall of those who set up their failures with their own mistakes, and just gets irritating and sad. The show could’ve been a landmark point in television history, showing people a realistic and empathic aspect of people under the poverty line. But no, they decide to broadcast the message that all poor people are self destructive addicts and petty criminals.

  • @cultfan5227
    @cultfan5227 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Overcoming addiction is possible, but difficult when life keeps messing up. These poor souls are struggling with poverty and bad role models. Support is out there, try AA, NA, one of those. They seem like bullshit at first, but KEEP GOING, accept help, it gets easier.

  • @stevenadler9174
    @stevenadler9174 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I will definitely check out this show.

  • @chandrakantgeology2696
    @chandrakantgeology2696 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This show has inspired me a lot. Gonna watch the this show every decade of my life

  • @wattsnottaken1
    @wattsnottaken1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love this tv show so much. There’s definitely tons of deeper meanings in every season which is why Im watching The Take’s take on it. This channel is so good. I love all the breakdown videos they do on movies and tv shows.

  • @WhalecomeHome
    @WhalecomeHome 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love it love it love it, I would have also loved to see how the mentalities of the characters change to be in contrast to what they wanted in the first season.

  • @kylereece1979
    @kylereece1979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very good spot on the Trainspotting inclusion here. Along with its themes on addictions, the films quickfire, fast paced, in yer face grittiness was incorporated into the original UK Shameless. I was delighted to see that lightning struck and captured in a bigger, broader bottle in its US counterpart. Indeed, most of Shameless season 1 was a scene for scene remake of the UK original, albeit on a much bigger scale. By season 2, the US Shameless delves into its own paths, and it was great to see their Fiona and Lip still in it- they both leave the UK version by season 3's end. The UK Shameless focuses just as much on the Gallagher's neighbours - The Maguires ( The Milloviches in the US), by season 4 and it covers more across the council estate that its set on. Im glad both versions exist for people to see. Excellent video.

  • @mezza001
    @mezza001 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am ashamed to say that I missed 11 seasons of Shameless, until now… i am watching it from the beginning. . .

  • @wattsnottaken1
    @wattsnottaken1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I rewatched this 3 times. Such a good show

  • @andrafan1
    @andrafan1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Such a good analysis! I started watching this show a month ago and I just finished it. I had a really good time watching it, though, at times, it became quite frustrating, to the point where I wasn't sure if I wanted to continue. It was so hard watching them work towards getting out of their situation, only to see them start over again. But that's how it is sometimes. Season 7 is my favorite because it shows that change _is_ possible, and no matter how much we screw up, how much we struggle, we can get where we want to be, even if we don't take the road we imagined.

  • @rayandogy1278
    @rayandogy1278 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Shameless is the story of humanity. I love it.

  • @Jamie-kz4lp
    @Jamie-kz4lp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job with this video! Shameless is basically the closest thing to real life I've ever seen on TV. it's dark,sad and it made me cry too and almost each character seems real to me...It's a great show and I'm really sad that it'll end

  • @marsthemedic3682
    @marsthemedic3682 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    7:10 I think all addicts are those born out of the desire for chaos- to lose all control and give yourself over to something outside of yourself, that way when things go to shit, you can blame whatever your method of escape was.

  • @willtoriaworld6369
    @willtoriaworld6369 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love this essay on one of my favorite shows. All of what you said in the video has gone through my mind. Gallagher for life!

  • @shek-dz9rp
    @shek-dz9rp ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ian and Mickey's change was one for the books ♥️

  • @pinkysaints2309
    @pinkysaints2309 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I would love to see a video on Ian and mickys relationship it’s a super interesting relationship

  • @introvertedinfp
    @introvertedinfp 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I’d love to see another video focusing on Fiona now that’s she’s left the show

  • @petetpotato329
    @petetpotato329 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    IAN IS ADDICTED TO MICKEY. PERIOD. FML.

  • @sjcraw
    @sjcraw 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Glimmers of hope among a sea of shitty behavior?
    Isn't that the textbook definition of an abusive relationship?

  • @brownbronco6465
    @brownbronco6465 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Can we have Jimmy Steve Jack back? That guy was the reason why i loved the show

  • @cheriembanefo9724
    @cheriembanefo9724 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    love ur videos so much. cant wait for the season 8

    • @thetake
      @thetake  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Neither can we! Thanks Cherie!

  • @MsTracyBennett
    @MsTracyBennett 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great take on the show. Thumbs up!

  • @thomaspryor8202
    @thomaspryor8202 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    not only is shameless my favorite but, you made it better.

  • @israel.horowitz
    @israel.horowitz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely love this channel!

  • @shiriguessman5157
    @shiriguessman5157 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They have everything stacked against them because from a young age they all had to help their own father and mother keep food on the table for the family and help with bills that no young kids should have to deal with....I mean the stories that Fiona told of stuff that happened before the show took place like when she was a little girl having to take care of her brothers when her dad was drunk and left them at the store and so many more stories that just made me think if it weren’t for Fiona keeping the boys and later Debbie and Carl in check too then they would have all ended up staying in foster care if Fiona didn’t try so hard to keep everyone together

  • @MsTinkerbelle87
    @MsTinkerbelle87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “Exactly what?” *shows Mickey* haha I mean he kinda was LOL

  • @Michael342009
    @Michael342009 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Underrated for me as well.I was just looking for something to watch one time and could not believe I never watched it before.And I have Showtime and live in Chicago.Great video by the way.

  • @Happycloudz3
    @Happycloudz3 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Love love love this

  • @laurenflowerslament
    @laurenflowerslament 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ian didn't say goodbye to Mickey because their relationship was unhealthy no it isn't he chose not to go to mexico because he couldn't leave his family job or bipolar meds his heart still and always will belong to mickey

  • @lj0339
    @lj0339 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    God, I love Shameless, well except the last season. I get that characters need growth, but the show’s called ‘Shameless’ and was the exact entertaining original point of it setting it apart, not only for the humor but also the heartbreaking dark honesty of it- it was relatable. The new season was a little void of that Gallagher Chaos and the grittiness I fell in love with.
    There really isn’t any high struggles for any of the characters, it went more feel-good and even a little cringe/cheesy, and isn’t relatable anymore unless you are gay/trans since this has taken center stage. I think it’s amazing that they are getting some rep, but I’m just pointing out that the show has changed. It feels as if there are completely different writers.

  • @notmyopinion4981
    @notmyopinion4981 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this video hit me... i am coming from a very unstable household... and all i ever wished was something stable.... but now that i am the closest i ever get, i am bored, i feel uneasy and i hate it. I hate this cold environment that stability gives you. I am young and i am scared, that if i dont break free i will be stuck in this for ever, and if i break free, that i will end up like my mother... Its very hard to change. Or adjust to change. I almost miss the tearfilled shouts from my family fighting. I almost miss the quiteness that comes in between as we avoid one another while living in the same house. And now i live with my bf and his family... they talk like a normal family, they dont despise each other and i really really hate it. I hate this harmony. And i am afraid of that hate.

    • @rachelgpryor
      @rachelgpryor 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I can relate with absolutely everything you said. I always felt really uncomfortable in that kind of family dynamic. And now we're married, moved out of his parents house and bought a house, and have a kid. And it's worse. I thought I'd finally feel better, but I'm even more miserable and numb, and soooo bored all the time. It's both the most secure and the most depressed I've ever been.

  • @andrewrocha9766
    @andrewrocha9766 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I don’t know...I disagree a bit with Mickey being a super super bad influence. In the beginning, maybe, but Mickey was definitely someone who was NOWHERE near in the same ballpark as Jimmy/Steve

  • @devinweathers7520
    @devinweathers7520 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I adore this greatfully , appreciate
    You analysis , being best and worst selfs

  • @Sspratz
    @Sspratz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I wanna like this show but.... I don’t like it to be a comedy. Not once have I laughed at this show, but I’ve only felt depressed afterwards. I also suffer from severe depression, and I live I’m apart of town like this. Bad people and nobody to trust. While watching it, it feels like a drama but if it feels like they’re making fun of people who have this life style due to the fact that it’s supposed to be a “comedy”. Idk it feels like life slows down when I watch it. I wanna like it but I can’t get out of that slump to motivate myself to keep watching. While others say it’s addictive, I feel the opposite, idk if I’m missing something or it’s not for people with depression...

    • @exfactorygirl
      @exfactorygirl 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe you simply don't like it, nothing wrong with it :)
      I have been diagnosed with major depression at 17-yrs which is just the tip of the iceberg.
      Coming from a dysfunctional family I had to raise myself like Fiona did. Lucky me, I had no siblings to take care of, but my mother was a mess and I was her genitor for quite a while. I see a lot of myself in this show, if that's not the same for you then just move on, whatever makes you happy or at least whatever make you feel less alone.
      Sorry about my broken English. I hope things are getting better for you.

    • @covenawhite4855
      @covenawhite4855 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you tried British Shameless. I think it is more serious and sad. It was once on You Tube but the episode was very violent. And everyone talks with an Irish accent. It is about life in a UK Ghetto.

  • @NoName-vl4lv
    @NoName-vl4lv 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I think Carl is actually going to change and go to the military or become a cop but probably not honestly

  • @Dopesickgypsy
    @Dopesickgypsy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hell of a review. Shameless has been a hard watch for me since I relate to so many of the issues..P.S. since I finished watching all episodes I loathe Debbie

  • @Carlos-ci6sg
    @Carlos-ci6sg 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This show is just great

  • @maryclutterbuck7183
    @maryclutterbuck7183 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can we also note the set design? I love that they incorporate how poverty is often set inside an environment of hoarding because to people that are raised in nothing but a poverty stricken neighbourhood, they oftentimes can’t fathom quality over quantity because of their westernized mindset of capitalism that was ingrained into them since they were a fetus.

    • @djordanjere2911
      @djordanjere2911 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I always thought their home was waaaay too clean. Memories, ya know

  • @arontyberg1398
    @arontyberg1398 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video this video is awesome, I love Shameless. and I always felt the show was very relatable and you guys put into this video in Great Lengths the emotions and struggles of real life that this show touches on that makes this show so unique!

    • @thetake
      @thetake  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!

  • @anthonyscully2093
    @anthonyscully2093 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    i agree with your observations. i would add that the writers deliberatly choose extreme stories lines even though are often implausible

  • @davidle4936
    @davidle4936 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Frank - Gluttony
    Monica - Greed
    Fiona - Pride
    Lip - Wrath
    Ian - Lust
    Debbie - Envy
    Carl - Sloth
    Edit: Not counted Liam

  • @katemccrea6963
    @katemccrea6963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yall should definitely do a follow up after the series finale tomorrow night.

  • @veronicajade20
    @veronicajade20 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hmm... this was actually a pretty insightful episode. 👍

  • @chandrakantgeology2696
    @chandrakantgeology2696 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    this show will be close to everyone who acknowledge that they are addicted to one form or other. and everyone is addicted to something that numbs their pain. I feel bad fpr the show for not up to the mark demographics.

  • @justin8771
    @justin8771 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Everyone says this is a underrated show it is but it’s also showtimes premier show so it definitely getting the praise it gets when I first started this show I was late it was already through season 9 which is currently I binged the whole thing tho it’s crazy and prob the best show that has ever lived and I can’t wait for season 10

  • @chairde
    @chairde ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I know people like these in real life. Some are relatives and some are friends. I never saw the UK version so I can’t compare.

  • @murtadha96
    @murtadha96 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this channel!!
    p.s that voice actor sounds extremely cute

  • @trash.justtrash177
    @trash.justtrash177 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    7:44 I recognize the woman but it toke me a second to remember from where and when I did i screamed at the top of my lungs "OH MY GOD IT'S NARUTO!!!!"

  • @queen.eh.r.m9109
    @queen.eh.r.m9109 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the Galligers! I come from a big dysfunctional family that is not as connected and devoted to each other as the Gallagher's.