Really appreciate this - I'm a bit stuck in Gold with Lily, and getting a more comprehensive game-plan really helps. Narrated play with your intentions is super useful. Also, for a goblin, Lily is super cute and expressive.
Great video. Definitely agree that Lily works great on modern controls. You still have crouching/standing and back heavy punch on modern which are her best buttons. The lack of a reversal is going to be ab problem once more people figure out that she's kind of free if you knock her down. Still a lot of fun to play though!
First..... This is basically A "Getting *Blank* Character to Floor 10" Video. But for SF6. Jiyuna saving SF6. Parry Hondas. Win streaks. Doing those will multiply your win points i think.
tbh if you can space it she doesnt need to have wind, with wind every condor dash is +1 but if you hit with the end of the normal dashes you can be up to +5
Dragon kicks animation is really slow and you can Di it pretty easily if your opponent is abusing the move. It's only plus 1 on block and you can't get a combo out of it without a counter hit. Also blocking after it is the best option, because ken doesn't have a high damaging command trow. The move isn't an overhead so you can block it crouching. Also lilys ex goes trough fire balls, kens doesn't (bad move against fire ball characters). Both really good characters, but comparing these spesific move to one another doesn't really matter, they are two complete different moves with different goals in mind.
She has a weird anti air with Cr. HP they have to be deep in their jump for it to hit. I’ve been trying to figure out how to make it more consistent. This video is much appreciated.
so there's a thing for glicko based match making, where part of the points you win and lose for a match is the predicted outcome. there's a few factors to how many points you get, a volatile variable that sees things like you're winning a bunch of matches in a row so you're clearly under ranked for your play so the volatility goes up. then there's the prediction based on your rank : if you're fighting people "stronger" than you, then you win more points if you win and lose less if you lose, and the opposite is true as well. it's the game trying to put you at your appropriate rank, ie a 50/50 win-loss rate (which feels like shit when you're in there, making it feel like you're in "elo hell") (elo is the weaker version of glicko btw) so in the beginning, when the game has no idea what your skill level is, your volatility is near maximum but your assumed base ranking is set when you say you're a casual or advanced. these are your "placement" matches, and you'll gain a crazy amount of points if you have a win streak early on. but as players get properly set into their appropriate ranks your volatility goes down, and you'll earn a pittance of points outside of win streaks because you're performing where the ranking system thinks you're at with a high degree of confidence. it's when you get a winstreak that the game starts thinking maybe you had a mental breakthrough or hit practice mode and your now "above" your same ranked peers, and it desperately wants to bring your win rate back down to 50%, so your player pool becomes wider and your volatility goes up, until you start losing again to drop it back down.
This makes sense and works pretty well I’d imagine. Win streaks mean your currently overpowered, so getting you back to where you belong via streak bonuses makes a lot of sense so that smurfs can’t just noob stomp with 50 point wins all day.
Commenting on every video requesting Arakune BBCF combo trials, video 26. The most important thing about climbing in this game is win streaks! Once you get like 3 wins, you get triple or more points
Hey Jiyuna, how do you do 360s on the hitbox? I recently modded my old arcade stick to one for sf6, and the only way I can get them is if I tap the buttons really slowly. I'm maining Ken atm so no big deal but you never know what the future brings.
I’m noticing you don’t use drive rush in your matches. Do you prefer not to use it because you don’t need it or is it you rather save the drive for ex spire
this video is amazing, im glad I found it as a lily player, but I was looking for a vid just like this but for ken so I could send it to a friend, if anyone knows any good long plays like this for ken pls send em my way
I main Cammy. Best option is dp because Lily's goes so far forward. But blocking divekick isn't so bad, it's harder to make plus on block than it seems
Lily DP beats Honda headbutt, as well as heavy and air Blanka balls. Honda is considered in an aerial state during headbutt, and aerial attacks lose to tomahawk buster. The timing is rough up close, but if you see him just trying to headbutt from fullscreen, you can light DP to try and follow him for pressure or heavy buster to keep him at a distance and maybe get a wind charge. That's at least what seems to work so far when i fight Honda.
Ah idk, as a newcomer to the genre, that last example with the auto combo changing depending on whether the opponent is blocking is very uninteresting/unimpressive to me.
You need very good reactions and timing. They can mix up the speed with different versions. The for sure answer is dp but again you need good reactions
@19:40 REMEMBER TO JUST GET THE HELL OUT OF THE CORNER WILL DIVE SPIRE OR REGULAR SPIRE (FORGET NAMES) IF THEY JUMP ALL OVER YOU AND YOU CANT LAND ANTI AIR EASY.. ANOTHER WAY IS TO JUST PARRY..
I've spent most of my time with Lily so far and I really felt the lack of a reliable anti air normal, If anything gets changed in a balance patch it's getting that hit box expanded she needs it. Juri's crouching heavy punch in comparison is like an anti aircraft missile you don't get to jump on her unless you jump up close. Looking forward to seeing more of these my offence is slowly getting better but people spam jabs so much in silver/gold it's hard to pressure them.
Lilys crouching heavy punch is her anti air and it’s VERY good. Use the hit that strikes right above you (the first hit) then cancel into spire for a nice damage anti air combo.
Wifi not the end of the world like SF 5. Having a better connection and experience on red bar Asian server versus all green North American server is my issue 😂
Ppl just need to stop playing in this stupid passive walk back and throw out specials. Like yeah you'll hit gold by triggering weaker players but the character can do so much more! She is a faster T Hawk with more and better moves.
@@limmel3588she has tons of depth, people are only scratching the surface of what she’s capable of. Her oki for an example has many ways to be super plus on block giving her a free command grab/frame trap mix
What do you think about japanese players thinking lily is bottom tier? I know tier lists have been going wild lately, but its slowly settling with lily on bottom on most lists, thoughts?
Tier Lists are based on high level play. Her simple gameplan definitely won't work up there, but it's strong for the average player. Don't worry about Tier Lists.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI oh yeah i definitely play who ever is fun and don't really follow tier lists because those changes like weekly it seems- there is a master lily who stomps on people but maybe its also how new she is and not alot of people play her lol- thanks for the videos though great stuff!
Just started playing Lily so this is super appreciated.
My man is commentating while playing I love this!! also I just hit plat 2 today same as the p4a champion am proud
This road to diamond series is pretty dope and the matches were cool to watch and learn some things with lily.
Really appreciate this - I'm a bit stuck in Gold with Lily, and getting a more comprehensive game-plan really helps. Narrated play with your intentions is super useful.
Also, for a goblin, Lily is super cute and expressive.
a button, some plus frames, and a dream. Jiyuna is going all the way
Great video. Definitely agree that Lily works great on modern controls. You still have crouching/standing and back heavy punch on modern which are her best buttons. The lack of a reversal is going to be ab problem once more people figure out that she's kind of free if you knock her down. Still a lot of fun to play though!
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Welcome brother
Found your channel because of the lily guide and now I'm just a fan of your content man, keep it up! Road to Diamond LETS GOOOO!
The fact i went 10-0 doing this and got Diamond 😭
It depends on your answer in the beginning. I chose Absolute Beginner.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI thanks for that explanation, I picked intermediate and went 5-5, netting silver iii.
Liking the idea of making this a series. Getting to learn about some of the characters I haven't really seen. Keep em coming.
Classic jiyuna banger, te quiero mucho jiyuna
Jiyuna is fucking the savior of sf6 to!? Man, he’s back.
We need that modern lily guide to truly level up our gameplay
I see this in Rocket League with Bronze to GC series. I'm glad to see another great series similar to this. Love this Jiyuna
Yo this is dope Jiyuna good stuff
Great video man! I already love Lilly and I'm playing her still learning but with this video I'll get a lot better! Thank you!
Its nice to see gameplay while u explain ur process during the match, cool vid
Yeah not much Lily content, this is appreciated
I told myself I wasn't gonna play this brats Doll, but these damn videos got me to try her and now I'm hooked 🤣🤣
As a scrub rocking lily down in the iron dungeons I appreciate the lily content.
First.....
This is basically
A "Getting *Blank* Character to Floor 10" Video.
But for SF6. Jiyuna saving SF6.
Parry Hondas.
Win streaks.
Doing those will multiply your win points i think.
You can’t win streak in Platinum
This is my favourite Street Fighter 6 channel
I like how Lily has to build up wind stocks to get plus frames on her approach, but Ken just dragon kick all day for plus frames.
Lily has the command grab though, so scarier situation once she’s in.
tbh if you can space it she doesnt need to have wind, with wind every condor dash is +1 but if you hit with the end of the normal dashes you can be up to +5
If you do medium spire after her back throw your +3, She needs more labbing but she also has amazing whiff punishing compared to most of the cast.
Dragon kicks animation is really slow and you can Di it pretty easily if your opponent is abusing the move. It's only plus 1 on block and you can't get a combo out of it without a counter hit. Also blocking after it is the best option, because ken doesn't have a high damaging command trow. The move isn't an overhead so you can block it crouching. Also lilys ex goes trough fire balls, kens doesn't (bad move against fire ball characters). Both really good characters, but comparing these spesific move to one another doesn't really matter, they are two complete different moves with different goals in mind.
Nice playing. Lily with stocks is scary, especially as opponents do not realize it's still your turn after spire.
The video was waiting for, Jiyuna entering in the Lily club to reveal her secret tech.
watching you get absolutely rolled by a match-up your uncomfortable with is honestly very validating as a new player.
Only way to learn is by losing and seeing what the problems were.
She has a weird anti air with Cr. HP they have to be deep in their jump for it to hit. I’ve been trying to figure out how to make it more consistent. This video is much appreciated.
It’s very easy to use, just go into training mode to get the timing
Also, cancel it into condor spire as it will combo against the air opponent
It’s Jiyuna from Streets !
Road to diamond with Lily let's go!! 💎
so there's a thing for glicko based match making, where part of the points you win and lose for a match is the predicted outcome.
there's a few factors to how many points you get, a volatile variable that sees things like you're winning a bunch of matches in a row so you're clearly under ranked for your play so the volatility goes up. then there's the prediction based on your rank : if you're fighting people "stronger" than you, then you win more points if you win and lose less if you lose, and the opposite is true as well. it's the game trying to put you at your appropriate rank, ie a 50/50 win-loss rate (which feels like shit when you're in there, making it feel like you're in "elo hell") (elo is the weaker version of glicko btw)
so in the beginning, when the game has no idea what your skill level is, your volatility is near maximum but your assumed base ranking is set when you say you're a casual or advanced. these are your "placement" matches, and you'll gain a crazy amount of points if you have a win streak early on. but as players get properly set into their appropriate ranks your volatility goes down, and you'll earn a pittance of points outside of win streaks because you're performing where the ranking system thinks you're at with a high degree of confidence. it's when you get a winstreak that the game starts thinking maybe you had a mental breakthrough or hit practice mode and your now "above" your same ranked peers, and it desperately wants to bring your win rate back down to 50%, so your player pool becomes wider and your volatility goes up, until you start losing again to drop it back down.
Interesting.
oo thanks for the explanation
Win streak bonus needs to be in Platinum as well.
This makes sense and works pretty well I’d imagine. Win streaks mean your currently overpowered, so getting you back to where you belong via streak bonuses makes a lot of sense so that smurfs can’t just noob stomp with 50 point wins all day.
lily does have reversal. her level 1 super is invincible
It’s 13F, very slow though. Still need to use it.
Good to see more lily players.
thanks for the helpful series!
Commenting on every video requesting Arakune BBCF combo trials, video 26. The most important thing about climbing in this game is win streaks! Once you get like 3 wins, you get triple or more points
Can’t streak in platinum
I think you should put street fighter 6 in the title. get those search term and algorithm clicks.
Hey Jiyuna, how do you do 360s on the hitbox? I recently modded my old arcade stick to one for sf6, and the only way I can get them is if I tap the buttons really slowly. I'm maining Ken atm so no big deal but you never know what the future brings.
Half circle back and then press Up + Attack at same time.
I’m noticing you don’t use drive rush in your matches. Do you prefer not to use it because you don’t need it or is it you rather save the drive for ex spire
personally, i think saving drive gauge for spire is much better than trying to DI
Nope, I’m just new. I should be using it!
I'm happy you picked the gorilla over the zoner. I'm a Gief main so I appreciate the low IQ play.
Love this kind of content, I bet lots of lil Japanese kids speak English cause Mr Illuminati
I find Drive Reversal is perfect when facing ken and his string of a thousand kicks, its free wind!
@33:11 You love to see it as a Lily player. True justice.
this video is amazing, im glad I found it as a lily player, but I was looking for a vid just like this but for ken so I could send it to a friend, if anyone knows any good long plays like this for ken pls send em my way
Is HP or Cr.HP enough anti air against enough of Cammy's air maneuvers? Or do you just have to try and win in the jump game?
I main Cammy. Best option is dp because Lily's goes so far forward. But blocking divekick isn't so bad, it's harder to make plus on block than it seems
Cr HP into spire blew up a lot of jumps, so that might be a decent alternative to DP?
It's harder, but it works.
@jiyuna her AA is cr.hp… it hits just like Hondas st.hp and cancel it into spire for an AA combo ;)
This video got me to diamond as lilly
Keep going!
It's nice knowing I'm doing all the right things as a Lily main, but I'm just meh at the game.
Based Lily Enjoyer
How do u cancel condor wind so the animation come out ?
Personally I think they should speed up her wind stock move. Or make it not last as long to get completed.
Agree.
R u lily main now? Or simply deeply exploring the game for viewers lol
Lily DP beats Honda headbutt, as well as heavy and air Blanka balls. Honda is considered in an aerial state during headbutt, and aerial attacks lose to tomahawk buster. The timing is rough up close, but if you see him just trying to headbutt from fullscreen, you can light DP to try and follow him for pressure or heavy buster to keep him at a distance and maybe get a wind charge. That's at least what seems to work so far when i fight Honda.
Yup, I started using DP on reaction thanks to Modern!
37:28
Does he know?
He knew.
How do I cancel the back-LP when generating wind stocks so I don't do the attack?
You have to input QCB + Light Punch. It’s a separate move.
Ah idk, as a newcomer to the genre, that last example with the auto combo changing depending on whether the opponent is blocking is very uninteresting/unimpressive to me.
Jiyuna top 8 at EVO?
I feel like she should destroy projectiles with her wind charge up special
Are lily's normals not disjointed? Can you not just stick MP out to deal with Blanka/Honda?
You need very good reactions and timing. They can mix up the speed with different versions. The for sure answer is dp but again you need good reactions
@19:40 REMEMBER TO JUST GET THE HELL OUT OF THE CORNER WILL DIVE SPIRE OR REGULAR SPIRE (FORGET NAMES) IF THEY JUMP ALL OVER YOU AND YOU CANT LAND ANTI AIR EASY.. ANOTHER WAY IS TO JUST PARRY..
Honda players on modern controls one of the most annoying things to experience in this game lol
I've spent most of my time with Lily so far and I really felt the lack of a reliable anti air normal, If anything gets changed in a balance patch it's getting that hit box expanded she needs it. Juri's crouching heavy punch in comparison is like an anti aircraft missile you don't get to jump on her unless you jump up close.
Looking forward to seeing more of these my offence is slowly getting better but people spam jabs so much in silver/gold it's hard to pressure them.
Lilys crouching heavy punch is her anti air and it’s VERY good. Use the hit that strikes right above you (the first hit) then cancel into spire for a nice damage anti air combo.
you do know you can just dp to counter honda head butts, right?
I do now!
Any tips for manon
Don’t throw too much. Only go heavy on throws after you condition them to block.
The platinum ranks take forever to grind
Yeah it’s slow without that win bonus
16:54 was ridiculous lol
Wifi not the end of the world like SF 5.
Having a better connection and experience on red bar Asian server versus all green North American server is my issue 😂
SF6 was fun while it lasted too bad the new melty patch killed it's numbers #MeltySweep
No Melty until Nanaya
WISH HER LVL 2 HAD VACUUM.. HAVE TO BE TOO PRECISE IN DOING IT
I think if you want to punish Honda after a perfect parry is to probably command grab. That or use a super.
Yes! Keep doing your thing. Fo sho learn some combos.
MISSED A TON OF ANTI AIR OPPORTUNITY..
Day 1.
Condor spire the butt slam I think
Crouch HP is the best!
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI sick thanks!
Lily players exist?
I hate shotos as a lily player.
WebCam placement is so baaaad
Ppl just need to stop playing in this stupid passive walk back and throw out specials. Like yeah you'll hit gold by triggering weaker players but the character can do so much more! She is a faster T Hawk with more and better moves.
Bronze?
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI 💀 most probably. Kid is triggered by win conditions
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI what am I? I am diamond 1.
... i take that back. im gold again -_-
Lily has to be the least interesting character to me
I thought the same and then I tried her, now she's my main. I hate her dumb gremlin ass but the plus frames and the scoops... it's too fun😢
She’s pretty simple.
I mean she doesn't have a lot of depth but she's fun imo
@@limmel3588she has tons of depth, people are only scratching the surface of what she’s capable of. Her oki for an example has many ways to be super plus on block giving her a free command grab/frame trap mix
cr.HP is a godlike anti air for Lily, give it a try
What do you think about japanese players thinking lily is bottom tier? I know tier lists have been going wild lately, but its slowly settling with lily on bottom on most lists, thoughts?
Tier Lists are based on high level play. Her simple gameplan definitely won't work up there, but it's strong for the average player. Don't worry about Tier Lists.
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI oh yeah i definitely play who ever is fun and don't really follow tier lists because those changes like weekly it seems- there is a master lily who stomps on people but maybe its also how new she is and not alot of people play her lol- thanks for the videos though great stuff!