Hi! I have an idea for a video that could really boost your channel. The concept involves creating documentary content about how the Romans and Greeks mastered their famous oratory skills, and how their techniques and principles of communication can be applied today. In our modern world, the ability to articulate ideas effectively and elegantly is incredibly valuable, making this documentary highly relevant and beneficial. There are plenty of resources available to draw from, such as Cicero’s treatise on oratory. Plus, this type of documentary fits perfectly with the topic of your channel.
'miles' in 2024? I know this video covers the bronze and iron age, but that doesn't mean you should use ancient and obsolete units of measurements in a video on a global content plattform. Unsubscribed.
Could the founding of the Republic had been a copy or plagirism on Carthage and its set up with suffets ruling usually as 2 over a senate like strucutre? I know that Rome many times wanted to distance themselves from Carthage in a lot of their history and mythology but even Aenas met with Princess Dido?
It's a crime how horribly ignored Rome's pre-Caesar story has been ignored in media. There are a ton of amazing events (like the end of the monarchy, the Sacking of the Gauls, the decemviri era, the Carthaginian wars, etc) that should get their own adaptation. Too bad the focus is always on Julius Caesar
You are the one ignoring media about pre-Caesar Rome. There is significant print and visual media about pre-Caesar Rome, apparently you just aren’t looking for it. Sounds like you just discovered Rome and have not even slightly looked into anything beyond the most popular media depictions. Try looking into books and academic material instead of TV shows and movies (though even within that media there is still plenty of material you clearly have not found)
@@HistoriaMoneta There are truly some productions about pre-Caesar Rome, but most of them are 60's B-list peplum. As much, the highest productions about that Era are the BBC docu-movies about Hannibal and the Gacci Brothers
It's so remarkable that Romans in their own time investigated and questioned their historic records and legends and, say, still had access to Etruscans.
It’s conspicuous that Latins and Etruscans are so culturally distinct yet so geographically close-and of course chronologically overlapped. One culture seems to have been historically expunged by the other-that is, by the succeeding one: Latin. But history is the younger cousin of myth and both are distant descendants of what actually happened. Mythology reveals storytelling habits where some circumstance that might or might not have actually happened is explained by a tale about an origin of some ethos symbolically represented by characters convenient to the meaning of the story-or mythos-thence referred to for moral, legal, and religious guidance. Characters are cast to fit the plot, protagonists, antagonists, and other carriers of the plot probably composites of actual participants in real events, and conveniently endowed with characteristic strengths or weaknesses. Ancient Greek philosopher, Euhemeros, posited that all mythoi originate with actual events which are subsequently reworked in retelling to arrive at the moral of the story-that is, its essential jurisprudence: human participants in real events becoming recomposed as individual heroes, demigods or gods in a mythologizing process called “euhemerism”. Euhemeros’ philosophy was considered heretical by the polytheists of his day. I think that whenever the intercourse between two cultures needs to be mythologized, the mythologizers always take the path of least resistance towards the moral of the story-which is naturally biased in favour of the storytellers’ culture, which, in the case of genocide or subjection of one side against the other, leads to a history written by the victors in which the vanquished are cast in a demeaning or demonizing way in order to justify the conquest-and thence to justify the conquerers’ order. These mythoi can be elaborate and entertaining (the Trojan War), brusque and to-the-point (captive savages, barbarians, and enemies are justly enslaved), or suppressing (The Book of Genesis) Genesis conspicuously ignores or only hints at the inter-breedable humans available for Cain and Seth to marry. Ineed, its general thesis ignores the evolutionary descent of Homo sapiens altogether. This narratological tactic of severing certain past events-or whole epochs of time-absolves the aggressors. In the Americas, European Christians sought to diminutize indigenous cultural and political legitimacy, first demonizing indigenous nations not-allied with the colonizers, then dismissing all indigenous peoples and their histories in order to justify seizing their lands as “terra nullius”, or “uninhabited”. Finally governments authorized the ‘killing of the Indian in the child’ by forced attendance at Indian Residential Schools. I think the Etrustcans-who were probably more civilized than indigenous Italic tribes-were narratolgically expunged from Latin mythologization rather than cast as a vanquished and subjected or enslaved foe. Romans ended up preferring a completely concocted and plagiarized Greek myth instead of an historicized Etruscan one-despite the remoteness of the former in time and place and the concurrent co-existence of the latter.
@@geoffreydonaldson2984 each day that passes I'm more convinced that the sentence "history is written by the victors" is a quote with which losers justify their wounded pride by making up fairytales of how they deserved to win but it didn't happen because "oh the other side was more evil unlike us who were pure on heart and soul. The romans had no trouble telling you that they kidnapped and r... all the women of the sabins betraying their trust. What makes you think that they gave a flying flamingo about your opinion on them?
@@jmmh1313 first of all, ancient civilizations are gone so they can’t comment on my views and I wouldn’t therefore look for any “flying fuck” worth a darn from them. I simply point out one example,-“history is written by the victors”-of this justification process in modelling a national or native or autocthenous mythos. I’m not Euhermeros, not even a modern version of him. Rather I’m convinced that all myths follow an inherent blueprint which, probably (as Euhemeros might agree) related to something that actually happened, a narratological template wherein sex, exile and and speciation are typical (of either human species like our own or of primal narratives which underpin all subsequent narratives). Interspecific breeding, or crossbreeding and hybridization in creation mythoi is often obscured by magical rather than physiological sex between two different human species-an idea that was not long ago (170 years or so) condemned as perverted bestiality (even interracial sex was so-considered in mores and law). The Rape of the Sabines is not about magical sex or trans-specific hybridization but, rather, the subjection of the Sabine culture by the Roman. Yet it is mythological because it presumes two notable fallacies: first that power flows through the male line and, second, that forced sex-or rape-was the only way to legitimize Roman hegemony (when in fact a peace accord is always possible and might have been achievable). That is, the raping was ordinary as far as sex goes-it reproduced offspring such as homosexual rape would not- but also an extraordinary act by which Romans claimed their supremacy by this unjust act. All ancient myths typify this weird- or magical-sex initiative and all involve justice-that is, vengeance, whether meted by gods, mortals, or elemental nature. Elements of the weird-sex origin of humankind . Many cultures considered themselves the only humans and all the rest as “others”, as monsters or demons, a circumstance which fosters such mythoi which, in turn, fosters such histories. Polytheists are at greater liberty to embellish this basic template in umpteen different ways, but monotheists are not. Instead the monotheistic mythos obscures the facts that human species other than Homo sapiens co-existed and that they hybridized. The first myth persists to this very day in the form of Biblical creationism; the second was conclusively debunked when DNA analysis showed that at least three distinct human species interbred (H. sapiens, H. neanderthalensis, and H. denisova) about 37,000 years ago. Genesis of course completely denies any of this. By that account there were no suitable mates for Adam (Godetal brought him every animal in creation “to name” -but no mate could be found-uh-whatever “naming” meant) so Godetal had to create a mate-a clone-from Adam’s rib who mated with him-which is as weird-sex as it gets. The story continues to claim Adam and Eve are the first and only humans -never mind serpents which talk (only one other animal in the whole Holy Bible talks: Bellam’s ass) -yet both Cain who was banished somehow found humans to wife, and his estranged youngest brother also found wives, presumably not his siblings. In the generations listed-and granting they are doubtlessly schematic rather than historically proportionate-the world that Godetal intervenes in (Babel and the Flood) could not have been so populated from Adamite line of humans alone. In this case the history of non-Adamite humans is barely hinted or overtly denied . (The “sons of gods” who took -or raped-the “daughters of men” whom they found comely to produce the race of giants called “Nephilim” is another hint that Adamites were not the first and, at first, the only humans that existed when Godetal planted Eden the banished Adam and Eve from it; the Cherubim guarding the entrance would wreak vengeance on any who dared try entering the magic place of the myth’s weird-sex). That history is written by the victors isn’t surprising, but I do agree that losers such as the American army of 1814 did find it difficult to mythologize the burning of their Capitol by British marines. The losers would rather focus on the Battle of New Orleans (which needed a boost in 1959’s hit single by Johnny Horton) in which the losers’ side- who sued for peace after Washington was occupied and burned- won an inconsequential battle (since the Treaty of Paris which needed the War of 1812 had already been signed but the news hadn’t reached the Mississippi River in time to prevent the carnage). It is fact that Etruscan culture was intentionally erased to the extent its language-despite existence of its orthographic examples has yet to be deciphered and the origin of its people is still unknown.
One of the many connections between Greeks, Etruscans and Rome. Demaratus was a Dorian nobleman and a member of the Corinthian Dorian house of the Bacchiadae. Facing charges of sedition, in 655 BC he fled to Italy with his Royal court,, according to tradition settling in the Etruscan city of Tarquinii, where he married an Etruscan noblewoman. Demaratus (Greek: Δημάρατος), frequently called Demaratus of Corinth, father of the King of Rome ,Tarquinius Priscus ,King Servius Tullius son of Tarquinius Priscus and King Tarquinius Superbus gran son of Tarquinius Priscus. Demaratus of Corinth was an ancestor of Lucius Junius Brutus and Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus, the first consuls of the Roman Republic. Three important Roman gentes claimed descent from Demaratus; the Junii, through the first consul; the Mamilii, who came to Rome from Tusculum in the fifth century BC; and the Tullii, through Servius Tullius.
I love it. Livy says either Romulus ascended into heaven body and soul or he was dismembered by the senators. Even almost 3000 years ago there were skeptics.
@@ThorDog16 yeah the official name was senatus but It Is not to be intended as the senatus of the republic era, It was like a council made by elders/nobles people. The term senators recall something too similar to the figures of the republic/First empire era in which these people used to have Active role in ruling the city (and overthrow emperors/dictators ☠️). Unfortunately all the sources reguarding the monarchy era are not reliable at all cause the original ones have been Lost during the sack of the gauls
@@danielemenichini3930aren't you being a bit needlessly pedantic? There were senators in Romulus' time just as there were senators in the Republic. The only differences being a lack of supreme authoritative power in a king, and the eventual expansion of members.
Legitimate history, intelligently presented. Also: thanks for not relying on AI to do everything for you, especially the art. AI art always looks bad, and even simple high school teachers can find flaws in AI text. Lesson: if you want something done right, you always gotta do it yourself!
This is so true. I love history now,but, in college and high school I hated it and I think it was the delivery of the information from the schools. If we had content like this in school I may have chose a totally different career path.
The problem with history in school is that there's a huge amount of content and an hour, maybe two hours a week in which to teach it. Use an hour to talk in depth about, say, the hows and whys of Caesar's Civil War and that might mean that you won't have time to address Octavian Augustus and his Civil War other than in passing. Or you go in depth with both and more and by the end of the school year you'll only be at the Hundred Years War instead of the Fall of Constantinopole.
Sorry, but I have to address statements like these, because it's the sort of thinking that justifies Hollywood's 9 figure budgets. If you have 10,000 dollars and enough time and experience (which goes a long way), you can make a film feature-length quality video, if there's no live filming or excessive animation - eg. 30 frame per second characters moving about for minutes at a time, with dynamic backgrounds, the animating of 10 or 20 battles, etc. This video's animation was not excessive, nor was their live filming with live actors in costume, or any of that. tl;dr Videos like these do not require tens of thousands of hours of labour or a hollywood budget. It's more about the directorial decisions, which have given this channel well deserved recognition, imo. ---- Voice narrator, script writer, editor, animator, full time researcher (can bring out a lot), analyst guy who supports the script writer, and a manager... 7 jobs? At least one of them might do more than one job (often the case with channels), and they do it full time, because they have a patreon for funds, a sponsor, and 1 mil + subscribers. That could be anywhere from 4 to 6 people. They work on more than one video at a time, and their manager schedules the work ahead of time, so they're always working effectively throughout a given week. The music is stock music, easily available. Consider that some of these people will work for low pay, because they want the experience when pursuing jobs further down the line. This is not besmirching the channel, this is a lot of channels - the budget is usually tight. Their upload rate is averaged once every 2 months, so one can imagine they don't accrue a lot of revenue from youtube, but that gives them plenty of time to churn out big videos - and their patreon supporters will continue to pay as well, because the patreon rewards are smaller than a full video release, often times "early access" to portions of the incomplete project that they working on anyway (and the supporters want to see the video get finished anyway, so they don't mind any cheapness or lack of alternate or side rewards). They also have a big name sponsor. In any case, there was another channel called ShortFatOtaku (political channel, but example will suffice) run by one guy and one editor, which released a 3 hour video recently as the product of research, and it maybe took him 2 months on much tighter budget than Voices of the Past, because that guy has no sponsors and his patreon is quite likely relatively small - given he has 10% of the subs of this channel and people who actively despise his politics. So, imagining a 4, 5 or 6 man team - it's hard work, but it's certainly doable. Not unimaginable by any means. Though the overall production of this video was certainly in the thousands of dollars, and that's not including the guy who's most in charge of the channel (or was it two guys? can't remember).
Phenomenal narration, imagery and chronology. You kept the theme of Legend vs Historical Evidence woven throughout the centuries' long story, yet just below the surface, so as not to negate the exciting storied History. I hope more detailed archeological evidence is found from the 5th-8th Centuries BC. One of the best channels I've explored.
I've actually been reading "Rubicon" by Tom Holland. I love roman history but I never knew how extensive and brutal the Mithraedic Wars were. He killed 80,000 Roman citizens almost overnight when he started his attacks in Asia.
This is more like a Paul Cooper Fall of Civilizations video than the short form accounts of individuals you've posted in the past. I preferred the original form and format. It let people from the past - those precious few who could write that is - tell their stories. The viewer interpreted them. But I am certain many viewers will absolutely LOVE this change.
I really like both. I'm hoping they can continue with the individual "voices of the past" videos with a few of these long format history lessons sprinkled in.
But did it really fall though? I postulate that it has simply amalgamated into a new form. Similar to how we retain Neanderthal DNA. Just like Greece amalgamated into Rome. Greece from Persia. Persia from Babylon.
Soldiers of the Republic, Soldiers of the Empire, The beleaguered, The Victorious, LIKE THIS VIDEO FOR YOUR HONOR DEMANDS IT! SENATUS POPULESQUE ROMANUS!
The Indictment of Madduwatta describes the events involving the Attarsiya (.Mycenaean) which occurred in Western Anatolia. In the battle, the Attarsiya attacked the arzawa kingdom an forced the local warlord Madduwatta to flee. Madduwatta found refuge with the Hittite king Tudhaliya I/II who installed him as vassal ruler of Zippasla and the Siyanta River Land, territories which seem to have been located somewhere near the Arzawa Lands. The Kingdom of Arzawa was located in Western Anatolia. Its capital was a coastal city called Apasa, (Troy) which is believed to have been Ayasuluk Hill at the site of later Ephesus. The hill appears to have been fortified during the Late Bronze Age and contemporary graves suggest that it was a locally important center
Thank you a lot for this. There's a very interesting series by Schwerpunkt on Archaic Rome that I strongly recommend, especially the episode on the Traditional symbology in the foundation of Rome according to Livy
Great video brings me closer to my heritage. My family comes from a province, Frosinone, that was part of Rome from day one. Our family name actually comes from Veroli, which was an ally of Rome and become a municipium circa 90 BC. My grandmother was born in the same area as Cicero
Math is the same way for a lot of ppl. We lose out on the best that we're capable of when the status quo in education is stupefying rote memorization and the death of passion
Thank you so much, what a monumental video it could easily be on TV! This and “How Far Did Rome Explore?” are genuinely masterpieces. I'm incredibly grateful for the opportunity to learn about the history of Ancient Rome through such well-crafted content. The editing is outstanding, making it easy and enjoyable to digest all the information.
Homer does not mention a war between Greeks and Trojans, as is wrongly heard in the video. Homer mentions a war between two alliances, the alliance of the Achaeans and the alliance of the Trojans. Acheans and Trojans spoke the same language, believed in the same gods, and had kinship ties and Greek names. Aeneas = Αἰνείας from verb αἰνέω =I speak for someone, I praise someone. (LIDDELL & SCOTT lexicon).
This was extraordinary, and you guys are amazing! Thank you for this epic video. We often hear so much about the Roman Empire, but much less about the Republic that preceded it (at least in my experience). I don't think I had ever heard a few of the stories in this before. God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
@@VoicesofthePast skipped over isn’t the right word, what I mean to say is end before teaching them. It’s almost as if you don’t want to make a four hour video smh
This is not voices of the past but rather a narrated story. No hate just that I was glad your videos was actually completely unedited writing true to the word.
Wonderfully written and narrated. As usual, I'll have to listen many more times to appreciate the minutiae and at least remember the highlights of this enigmatic part of Roman history.
Could you announce the years as the year of the speaker changes for those of us who listen but don’t watch please? I listen to all your videos except these multi year ones because I don’t want to have to check the phone every time
To my understanding the origins of Rome is shrouded in mystery. The literature is gone. What information given from different area giving the information. Let that sink in
Twins as founders goes back far before Rome, and one twin must always die at the founding. Goes back to oral traditions of Europe of the cattle herding ancients.
I have watched alot of documentairy's but, this part of Roman history is rarely talked about. The basic's is all i have heard so far Twin brothers, She wolf , 7 kings etc but, nothing like this.
In my opinion, Remus would have understood that consecrating grounds was a super divinely sacred act to try and protect their lands and people, and interrupting a ceremony like that would challenge his rule and strength pretty harshly.
Way cool! Such a good explanation of the facts as we know them. Would love to learn more about how the republic evolved into the empire from your channel.
Maybe you could interpret Romulus and Remus as two towns or villages that would have been pretty attractive due to their location, leading them to grow to a point where one ended up annexing the other.
7:50 - There is no evidence that Homer was blind, other than a line in his Odyssey spoken by a bard, who says that the best bards are the blind ones. Not exactly proof !
there's an important aspect of this question that I don't see addressed in the comments, and that's the idea of Homer as persona. Homer the historical person may or may not have been real -- probably not -- but Homer the persona definitely was real. And Homer the persona was blind.
@@eshanroveran7850 It literally DOES matter - evidence is a good thing, in the study of history, NOT some obstacle. And all the evidence suggests that the people who believed him to be blind had merely fallen for an all-too-easy reading too much into a chance line in the Odyssey.
Troy was also a Greek city like other city-states. They married Greek people, had Greek names, worshiped Greek Gods, spoke Greek and had Greek traditions and habbits. DNA testing of southern Italians and Greeks shows the same origins
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Hi! I have an idea for a video that could really boost your channel. The concept involves creating documentary content about how the Romans and Greeks mastered their famous oratory skills, and how their techniques and principles of communication can be applied today. In our modern world, the ability to articulate ideas effectively and elegantly is incredibly valuable, making this documentary highly relevant and beneficial. There are plenty of resources available to draw from, such as Cicero’s treatise on oratory. Plus, this type of documentary fits perfectly with the topic of your channel.
'miles' in 2024? I know this video covers the bronze and iron age, but that doesn't mean you should use ancient and obsolete units of measurements in a video on a global content plattform. Unsubscribed.
Could the founding of the Republic had been a copy or plagirism on Carthage and its set up with suffets ruling usually as 2 over a senate like strucutre? I know that Rome many times wanted to distance themselves from Carthage in a lot of their history and mythology but even Aenas met with Princess Dido?
Thank god you saved me as a man. I almost forgot to think about Rome today but suddenly you drop this banger of a video.
In truth we are never not thinking of Rome. 😂
Being from an old Roman family, Rome is the life.
I know, right?
What part of Sicilia is Rome in?
Ohhh. Northern New Jersey. Figures.
It's a crime how horribly ignored Rome's pre-Caesar story has been ignored in media. There are a ton of amazing events (like the end of the monarchy, the Sacking of the Gauls, the decemviri era, the Carthaginian wars, etc) that should get their own adaptation. Too bad the focus is always on Julius Caesar
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You gotta ask the Jews why they chose to do that
Not to mention Gaius and Marius and the Gracchi brothers.
You are the one ignoring media about pre-Caesar Rome. There is significant print and visual media about pre-Caesar Rome, apparently you just aren’t looking for it. Sounds like you just discovered Rome and have not even slightly looked into anything beyond the most popular media depictions. Try looking into books and academic material instead of TV shows and movies (though even within that media there is still plenty of material you clearly have not found)
@@HistoriaMoneta
There are truly some productions about pre-Caesar Rome, but most of them are 60's B-list peplum. As much, the highest productions about that Era are the BBC docu-movies about Hannibal and the Gacci Brothers
Its great that people can go online and find such awesome media. The internet at its best.
So I just listen to these as a podcast, but the amount of work it must take to source all these pictures are crazy
Whats the podcast please?
@@nicholascampbell2570you probably just turn the phone screen off and listen to it with earbuds while you’re working or something
It's so remarkable that Romans in their own time investigated and questioned their historic records and legends and, say, still had access to Etruscans.
It’s conspicuous that Latins and Etruscans are so culturally distinct yet so geographically close-and of course chronologically overlapped. One culture seems to have been historically expunged by the other-that is, by the succeeding one: Latin. But history is the younger cousin of myth and both are distant descendants of what actually happened.
Mythology reveals storytelling habits where some circumstance that might or might not have actually happened is explained by a tale about an origin of some ethos symbolically represented by characters convenient to the meaning of the story-or mythos-thence referred to for moral, legal, and religious guidance. Characters are cast to fit the plot, protagonists, antagonists, and other carriers of the plot probably composites of actual participants in real events, and conveniently endowed with characteristic strengths or weaknesses. Ancient Greek philosopher, Euhemeros, posited that all mythoi originate with actual events which are subsequently reworked in retelling to arrive at the moral of the story-that is, its essential jurisprudence: human participants in real events becoming recomposed as individual heroes, demigods or gods in a mythologizing process called “euhemerism”. Euhemeros’ philosophy was considered heretical by the polytheists of his day.
I think that whenever the intercourse between two cultures needs to be mythologized, the mythologizers always take the path of least resistance towards the moral of the story-which is naturally biased in favour of the storytellers’ culture, which, in the case of genocide or subjection of one side against the other, leads to a history written by the victors in which the vanquished are cast in a demeaning or demonizing way in order to justify the conquest-and thence to justify the conquerers’ order. These mythoi can be elaborate and entertaining (the Trojan War), brusque and to-the-point (captive savages, barbarians, and enemies are justly enslaved), or suppressing (The Book of Genesis)
Genesis conspicuously ignores or only hints at the inter-breedable humans available for Cain and Seth to marry. Ineed, its general thesis ignores the evolutionary descent of Homo sapiens altogether.
This narratological tactic of severing certain past events-or whole epochs of time-absolves the aggressors. In the Americas, European Christians sought to diminutize indigenous cultural and political legitimacy, first demonizing indigenous nations not-allied with the colonizers, then dismissing all indigenous peoples and their histories in order to justify seizing their lands as “terra nullius”, or “uninhabited”. Finally governments authorized the ‘killing of the Indian in the child’ by forced attendance at Indian Residential Schools.
I think the Etrustcans-who were probably more civilized than indigenous Italic tribes-were narratolgically expunged from Latin mythologization rather than cast as a vanquished and subjected or enslaved foe. Romans ended up preferring a completely concocted and plagiarized Greek myth instead of an historicized Etruscan one-despite the remoteness of the former in time and place and the concurrent co-existence of the latter.
@@geoffreydonaldson2984 I wish for you to speak more often, friend.
@@geoffreydonaldson2984 each day that passes I'm more convinced that the sentence "history is written by the victors" is a quote with which losers justify their wounded pride by making up fairytales of how they deserved to win but it didn't happen because "oh the other side was more evil unlike us who were pure on heart and soul.
The romans had no trouble telling you that they kidnapped and r... all the women of the sabins betraying their trust. What makes you think that they gave a flying flamingo about your opinion on them?
@@jmmh1313 first of all, ancient civilizations are gone so they can’t comment on my views and I wouldn’t therefore look for any “flying fuck” worth a darn from them. I simply point out one example,-“history is written by the victors”-of this justification process in modelling a national or native or autocthenous mythos.
I’m not Euhermeros, not even a modern version of him. Rather I’m convinced that all myths follow an inherent blueprint which, probably (as Euhemeros might agree) related to something that actually happened, a narratological template wherein sex, exile and and speciation are typical (of either human species like our own or of primal narratives which underpin all subsequent narratives). Interspecific breeding, or crossbreeding and hybridization in creation mythoi is often obscured by magical rather than physiological sex between two different human species-an idea that was not long ago (170 years or so) condemned as perverted bestiality (even interracial sex was so-considered in mores and law). The Rape of the Sabines is not about magical sex or trans-specific hybridization but, rather, the subjection of the Sabine culture by the Roman. Yet it is mythological because it presumes two notable fallacies: first that power flows through the male line and, second, that forced sex-or rape-was the only way to legitimize Roman hegemony (when in fact a peace accord is always possible and might have been achievable). That is, the raping was ordinary as far as sex goes-it reproduced offspring such as homosexual rape would not- but also an extraordinary act by which Romans claimed their supremacy by this unjust act.
All ancient myths typify this weird- or magical-sex initiative and all involve justice-that is, vengeance, whether meted by gods, mortals, or elemental nature. Elements of the weird-sex origin of humankind . Many cultures considered themselves the only humans and all the rest as “others”, as monsters or demons, a circumstance which fosters such mythoi which, in turn, fosters such histories.
Polytheists are at greater liberty to embellish this basic template in umpteen different ways, but monotheists are not. Instead the monotheistic mythos obscures the facts that human species other than Homo sapiens co-existed and that they hybridized. The first myth persists to this very day in the form of Biblical creationism; the second was conclusively debunked when DNA analysis showed that at least three distinct human species interbred (H. sapiens, H. neanderthalensis, and H. denisova) about 37,000 years ago. Genesis of course completely denies any of this. By that account there were no suitable mates for Adam (Godetal brought him every animal in creation “to name” -but no mate could be found-uh-whatever “naming” meant) so Godetal had to create a mate-a clone-from Adam’s rib who mated with him-which is as weird-sex as it gets.
The story continues to claim Adam and Eve are the first and only humans -never mind serpents which talk (only one other animal in the whole Holy Bible talks: Bellam’s ass) -yet both Cain who was banished somehow found humans to wife, and his estranged youngest brother also found wives, presumably not his siblings. In the generations listed-and granting they are doubtlessly schematic rather than historically proportionate-the world that Godetal intervenes in (Babel and the Flood) could not have been so populated from Adamite line of humans alone. In this case the history of non-Adamite humans is barely hinted or overtly denied . (The “sons of gods” who took -or raped-the “daughters of men” whom they found comely to produce the race of giants called “Nephilim” is another hint that Adamites were not the first and, at first, the only humans that existed when Godetal planted Eden the banished Adam and Eve from it; the Cherubim guarding the entrance would wreak vengeance on any who dared try entering the magic place of the myth’s weird-sex).
That history is written by the victors isn’t surprising, but I do agree that losers such as the American army of 1814 did find it difficult to mythologize the burning of their Capitol by British marines. The losers would rather focus on the Battle of New Orleans (which needed a boost in 1959’s hit single by Johnny Horton) in which the losers’ side- who sued for peace after Washington was occupied and burned- won an inconsequential battle (since the Treaty of Paris which needed the War of 1812 had already been signed but the news hadn’t reached the Mississippi River in time to prevent the carnage).
It is fact that Etruscan culture was intentionally erased to the extent its language-despite existence of its orthographic examples has yet to be deciphered and the origin of its people is still unknown.
One of the many connections between Greeks, Etruscans and Rome.
Demaratus was a Dorian nobleman and a member of the Corinthian Dorian house of the Bacchiadae. Facing charges of sedition, in 655 BC he fled to Italy with his Royal court,, according to tradition settling in the Etruscan city of Tarquinii, where he married an Etruscan noblewoman.
Demaratus (Greek: Δημάρατος), frequently called Demaratus of Corinth, father of the King of Rome ,Tarquinius Priscus ,King Servius Tullius son of Tarquinius Priscus and King Tarquinius Superbus gran son of Tarquinius Priscus.
Demaratus of Corinth was an ancestor of Lucius Junius Brutus and Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus, the first consuls of the Roman Republic.
Three important Roman gentes claimed descent from Demaratus; the Junii, through the first consul; the Mamilii, who came to Rome from Tusculum in the fifth century BC; and the Tullii, through Servius Tullius.
I love it. Livy says either Romulus ascended into heaven body and soul or he was dismembered by the senators. Even almost 3000 years ago there were skeptics.
there were no senators at romolus' times, nobles at max
@@danielemenichini3930I’m just going by what Livy said and in legend Romulus did start the Roman senate.
@@ThorDog16 yeah the official name was senatus but It Is not to be intended as the senatus of the republic era, It was like a council made by elders/nobles people. The term senators recall something too similar to the figures of the republic/First empire era in which these people used to have Active role in ruling the city (and overthrow emperors/dictators ☠️). Unfortunately all the sources reguarding the monarchy era are not reliable at all cause the original ones have been Lost during the sack of the gauls
@@danielemenichini3930aren't you being a bit needlessly pedantic? There were senators in Romulus' time just as there were senators in the Republic. The only differences being a lack of supreme authoritative power in a king, and the eventual expansion of members.
Legitimate history, intelligently presented. Also: thanks for not relying on AI to do everything for you, especially the art. AI art always looks bad, and even simple high school teachers can find flaws in AI text. Lesson: if you want something done right, you always gotta do it yourself!
I swear History would have been my favourite subject in school if we had content like this
This is so true. I love history now,but, in college and high school I hated it and I think it was the delivery of the information from the schools. If we had content like this in school I may have chose a totally different career path.
No doubt.
The problem with history in school is that there's a huge amount of content and an hour, maybe two hours a week in which to teach it.
Use an hour to talk in depth about, say, the hows and whys of Caesar's Civil War and that might mean that you won't have time to address Octavian Augustus and his Civil War other than in passing.
Or you go in depth with both and more and by the end of the school year you'll only be at the Hundred Years War instead of the Fall of Constantinopole.
A high school teacher will have about 25 hours to get from Samaria to the Middle Ages , include China, Egypt, etc in those hours.
Lead a horse to a trough...and all that
Imagine if Remus had won. We'd all be talking about the empire of Rem and Remans.
Nicely done sir
It's enough to make you lose your religion.
...and then Reman founded the Cyrodiilic Empire.
Many of us would speak Remance languages, e.g. Remanian.
Reme
"How frequently do you think about the Roman empire "
Me:
Roman monarchy and republic: did he just say empire?
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When this joke got popular I was neck deep in Chinese history videos/wiki but alas Rome pulls us all in like a black hole of stereotypes
lol I literally visited Rome last summer. I live and grew up in Alabama. While seeing it in person was amazing, I don’t think about it daily
That meme is too relatable. Luckily, my love for history and of course Greco-Roman roman history are older than it lol
I can’t even believe the talent and effort that goes into this
Not to mention brilliance!!!👍🏼
Sorry, but I have to address statements like these, because it's the sort of thinking that justifies Hollywood's 9 figure budgets. If you have 10,000 dollars and enough time and experience (which goes a long way), you can make a film feature-length quality video, if there's no live filming or excessive animation - eg. 30 frame per second characters moving about for minutes at a time, with dynamic backgrounds, the animating of 10 or 20 battles, etc. This video's animation was not excessive, nor was their live filming with live actors in costume, or any of that.
tl;dr Videos like these do not require tens of thousands of hours of labour or a hollywood budget. It's more about the directorial decisions, which have given this channel well deserved recognition, imo.
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Voice narrator, script writer, editor, animator, full time researcher (can bring out a lot), analyst guy who supports the script writer, and a manager... 7 jobs? At least one of them might do more than one job (often the case with channels), and they do it full time, because they have a patreon for funds, a sponsor, and 1 mil + subscribers. That could be anywhere from 4 to 6 people. They work on more than one video at a time, and their manager schedules the work ahead of time, so they're always working effectively throughout a given week. The music is stock music, easily available. Consider that some of these people will work for low pay, because they want the experience when pursuing jobs further down the line. This is not besmirching the channel, this is a lot of channels - the budget is usually tight.
Their upload rate is averaged once every 2 months, so one can imagine they don't accrue a lot of revenue from youtube, but that gives them plenty of time to churn out big videos - and their patreon supporters will continue to pay as well, because the patreon rewards are smaller than a full video release, often times "early access" to portions of the incomplete project that they working on anyway (and the supporters want to see the video get finished anyway, so they don't mind any cheapness or lack of alternate or side rewards). They also have a big name sponsor.
In any case, there was another channel called ShortFatOtaku (political channel, but example will suffice) run by one guy and one editor, which released a 3 hour video recently as the product of research, and it maybe took him 2 months on much tighter budget than Voices of the Past, because that guy has no sponsors and his patreon is quite likely relatively small - given he has 10% of the subs of this channel and people who actively despise his politics. So, imagining a 4, 5 or 6 man team - it's hard work, but it's certainly doable. Not unimaginable by any means.
Though the overall production of this video was certainly in the thousands of dollars, and that's not including the guy who's most in charge of the channel (or was it two guys? can't remember).
This was beyond epic…thank you so much for well written and narrated content
This channel deserves more 👍
Damn right!
You are so deep !
Yes it's my favourite history channel right now! 👍👍👍
Phenomenal narration, imagery and chronology. You kept the theme of Legend vs Historical Evidence woven throughout the centuries' long story, yet just below the surface, so as not to negate the exciting storied History.
I hope more detailed archeological evidence is found from the 5th-8th Centuries BC.
One of the best channels I've explored.
I love videos like these. The Romans truly are a historical marvel.
Without the Greeks Romans wouldn't exist
I've actually been reading "Rubicon" by Tom Holland. I love roman history but I never knew how extensive and brutal the Mithraedic Wars were. He killed 80,000 Roman citizens almost overnight when he started his attacks in Asia.
It is considered one of the earliest recorded genocides.
This is more like a Paul Cooper Fall of Civilizations video than the short form accounts of individuals you've posted in the past. I preferred the original form and format. It let people from the past - those precious few who could write that is - tell their stories. The viewer interpreted them. But I am certain many viewers will absolutely LOVE this change.
It brings also more money than the shorter single ones.
I really like both. I'm hoping they can continue with the individual "voices of the past" videos with a few of these long format history lessons sprinkled in.
Whew, i almost didn't think about Rome today. That was close
The time of ancient Rome may be long gone. But the more we learn about them, the more the spirit will live on. Rome is truly the Eternal city.
I am following the channel for years with history time and others, the progress is fantastic. And great applaud for the music, it is brilliant!!
Funny how Rome "began" with Troy and fell with Constantinopel. Like it returned to the homeland
But those are Two different regions. So they can't both be the homeland
But did it really fall though? I postulate that it has simply amalgamated into a new form. Similar to how we retain Neanderthal DNA. Just like Greece amalgamated into Rome. Greece from Persia.
Persia from Babylon.
It fell as a political entity in 1453 bc. Until then it just shifted forms through internal revolutions or wars. @@grandsonofman
@@Orca_mammal I would argue that it "seemed" to have fallen in 1798, but it's been rejuvenating ever since 1929.
good point.
2 HOURS!? Blessed be.
an amazing alt title for this video would be “Voices of the Romans”. Great video this is truly amazing work!
You are the best, I have been anticipating
Soldiers of the Republic, Soldiers of the Empire, The beleaguered, The Victorious, LIKE THIS VIDEO FOR YOUR HONOR DEMANDS IT! SENATUS POPULESQUE ROMANUS!
Amazing content, I remember when we needed studios to make this quality work. This is better than most television these days!
I freaking love your channel.
A more satisfying epoch than any modern day stories, save for the likes of Lord of the Rings. An absolutely riveting 2 hours. Bravo!
Damn it's truly the longest video for this channel ever, no wonder rendering was not behaving!
Holy damn 2 hours , what a majestic quality documentary.. thank you bro
The Indictment of Madduwatta describes the events involving the Attarsiya (.Mycenaean) which occurred in Western Anatolia. In the battle, the Attarsiya attacked the arzawa kingdom an forced the local warlord Madduwatta to flee. Madduwatta found refuge with the Hittite king Tudhaliya I/II who installed him as vassal ruler of Zippasla and the Siyanta River Land, territories which seem to have been located somewhere near the Arzawa Lands. The Kingdom of Arzawa was located in Western Anatolia. Its capital was a coastal city called Apasa, (Troy) which is believed to have been Ayasuluk Hill at the site of later Ephesus. The hill appears to have been fortified during the Late Bronze Age and contemporary graves suggest that it was a locally important center
Wilusa was north of Arzawa.
Oh it's that random time of the month again where I watch a video on Rome? okay.
Awesome, this was excellent. Cannot wait for more.
Thank you a lot for this. There's a very interesting series by Schwerpunkt on Archaic Rome that I strongly recommend, especially the episode on the Traditional symbology in the foundation of Rome according to Livy
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When we quit thinking primarily about ourselves and our own self-preservation, we undergo a truly heroic transformation of consciousness.
Great video brings me closer to my heritage. My family comes from a province, Frosinone, that was part of Rome from day one. Our family name actually comes from Veroli, which was an ally of Rome and become a municipium circa 90 BC. My grandmother was born in the same area as Cicero
if history was like this in school maybe I wouldn’t’ve dropped out
shit maybe i’d be teaching history
Math is the same way for a lot of ppl. We lose out on the best that we're capable of when the status quo in education is stupefying rote memorization and the death of passion
Its just like high school. Minus the teacher waking me and drool in my book
Id like a number 3 with w coke
Thank you so much, what a monumental video it could easily be on TV! This and “How Far Did Rome Explore?” are genuinely masterpieces.
I'm incredibly grateful for the opportunity to learn about the history of Ancient Rome through such well-crafted content. The editing is outstanding, making it easy and enjoyable to digest all the information.
Awesome work. love the history lessons from time to time and this is a great channel for that!
Homer does not mention a war between Greeks and Trojans, as is wrongly heard in the video. Homer mentions a war between two alliances, the alliance of the Achaeans and the alliance of the Trojans.
Acheans and Trojans spoke the same language, believed in the same gods, and had kinship ties and Greek names.
Aeneas = Αἰνείας from verb αἰνέω =I speak for someone, I praise someone. (LIDDELL & SCOTT lexicon).
Yeah it would suck to have Orlando Blooms performance of Paris in Troy being Romes great descendants
I always wonder if he hated that role.
This work was so fascinating and thorough that I believe an award should be created to mark its significance.
Gracious David, you’ve been busy!
Can we have the same video but about ancient Egypt?
You and the team are Kings and Queens.
The way you described the fall of Troy is so well done, amazing narrating.
Thanks guys, this is going to be a great listen 😊
Take what Livy says with a grain of salt. His bias was so strong, patricians thought bodyguards and wealth were the original source of power.
You are a brilliant story teller, man. You gave me chills, et Roma Victrix!
This was extraordinary, and you guys are amazing! Thank you for this epic video. We often hear so much about the Roman Empire, but much less about the Republic that preceded it (at least in my experience). I don't think I had ever heard a few of the stories in this before.
God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
Did anyone notice that there is not much ads, or is it just me?
I didn't see any 2 months after you posted.
The Trojan Horse is not mentioned in the Iliad, but just briefly in the Odyssey. Just wanred to point that out, great video nonetheless!
Ahhhhh 🎉🎉🎉 yesssss a new video!
Just what I needed after my long day of work! 😊
A lot of hard work went into writing, narrating, and animating/putting together the images for this video, and you can definitely tell. Great job.
Ill fall asleep easy for the next few weeks! Thanks!
Nearly at 1 million subscribers. Great work Dan.
Love the mix of mythology and archaeology to explain the story of rome
What a journey of a video!
good production, this guy has a good voice, had this on the background while working and it was great !!
How did I listen to this entire video in less than two days? Seriously though, I can’t believe you skipped over the gracchi brothers!
The vid finishes in 374 BC
@@VoicesofthePast skipped over isn’t the right word, what I mean to say is end before teaching them. It’s almost as if you don’t want to make a four hour video smh
Thank you for the video boss x
This is not voices of the past but rather a narrated story. No hate just that I was glad your videos was actually completely unedited writing true to the word.
Wonderfully written and narrated. As usual, I'll have to listen many more times to appreciate the minutiae and at least remember the highlights of this enigmatic part of Roman history.
I love it when you post
This was incredible!!!!! The beginnings of Rome, both myth/legend and what we can tell from archaeology, is so intriguing.
This is a lot of new information for me. thank you.
I have watched a ton of different vids on Rome and this is by far my favorite! Very informative thank you
Could you announce the years as the year of the speaker changes for those of us who listen but don’t watch please? I listen to all your videos except these multi year ones because I don’t want to have to check the phone every time
HEEEEEELLLLLL YEAAAA, A 2 HOUR VIDEO ABOUT THE ROMAN EMPIRE!!! I LOVE YOU MAN
To my understanding the origins of Rome is shrouded in mystery. The literature is gone. What information given from different area giving the information. Let that sink in
This is exactly what I needed. I've been looking into how Empires started and concluded. Thank you.❤
Man I love Roman history almost as much as WWII history
You have early onset Republicism, it's okay.
i like that i can sound out ancient roman writing, it makes me feel like indiana jones.
Thank you so much for making this video
Damn dude. This was a great documentary. Thank you
Twins as founders goes back far before Rome, and one twin must always die at the founding. Goes back to oral traditions of Europe of the cattle herding ancients.
The twins are also in the ancient mayan tradition and many other peoples of the americas so its prolly much older than the cattle herders
CANT WAIT TO DIG INTO THIS
Unreal documentary. Great work.
When two brothers love a wolf very much…. David don’t get ideas about fratricide…
I love it.
so much to learn on the origins of Rome...
Awesome job🙌
23 seconds in and already best video I’ve ever seen
Thank you!
A very interesting recounting of the early history (and in some cases myths) of Rome. Great video.
I have watched alot of documentairy's but, this part of Roman history is rarely talked about.
The basic's is all i have heard so far Twin brothers, She wolf , 7 kings etc but, nothing like this.
In my opinion, Remus would have understood that consecrating grounds was a super divinely sacred act to try and protect their lands and people, and interrupting a ceremony like that would challenge his rule and strength pretty harshly.
Way cool! Such a good explanation of the facts as we know them. Would love to learn more about how the republic evolved into the empire from your channel.
Wake up babe Voices of The Past dropped
Das war eine lange Nacht mit euch!
A masterpiece! Thank you for all the hard work you do in creating pure quality content!
Maybe you could interpret Romulus and Remus as two towns or villages that would have been pretty attractive due to their location, leading them to grow to a point where one ended up annexing the other.
It would be 1300-1250 BCE as the start with our blessed forefather Aeneas.
My ancestors, the mighty Aequi, were named in this video 🤩 epic
7:50 - There is no evidence that Homer was blind, other than a line in his Odyssey spoken by a bard, who says that the best bards are the blind ones. Not exactly proof !
there's an important aspect of this question that I don't see addressed in the comments, and that's the idea of Homer as persona.
Homer the historical person may or may not have been real -- probably not -- but Homer the persona definitely was real. And Homer the persona was blind.
@@eshanroveran7850 And the SOURCE MATERIAL for this "Homer the persona" being blind... is... erm, what ?
@@TomasFunes-rt8rd it literally does not matter, the people OF THE TIME believed him to be blind, that is the traditional consensus. Not a modern one.
@@eshanroveran7850 It literally DOES matter - evidence is a good thing, in the study of history, NOT some obstacle. And all the evidence suggests that the people who believed him to be blind had merely fallen for an all-too-easy reading too much into a chance line in the Odyssey.
What an amazing and comprehensive video! I enjoyed every minute of it.
Wonderful video as always. Cincinnattus is one of my favorite historical figures
Cincinnattus is very likely just a mythological figure and did not actually exist in history
@@HistoriaMoneta you might know more about him than I do but I hope not
He does seem a lot like a mythological hero tho
Myths are clever ways of telling the truth.
An epic video! Thanks!
Troy was also a Greek city like other city-states.
They married Greek people, had Greek names, worshiped Greek Gods, spoke Greek and had Greek traditions and habbits.
DNA testing of southern Italians and Greeks shows the same origins
This was an enjoyable journey through a swath of history.
Little to no mention of the Sabines.
This does not please me.