"I've had my share of piloting experience. Actually only two lessons. And they were with a shuttlecraft. On the holodeck. But I showed great intuition! Where's the helm?" Just perfect.
And the Mk2 figures out how to read ETA and position readings. .-. Reading positioning instruments right there is half the knowledge needed for flying. The other half is handling your craft. -a pilot.
Doesn’t matter if they’re mark 1s or mark 4s they have yet to isolate and remove the subroutine that turns EMHs into douchecanoes if left running longer than 5 minutes.
@@D8W2P4 Doctor Lewis Zimmerman. The EMH Mk 1 was modeled off of him, and since this is Star Trek, the creation always assumes the personality quirks of the creator. So Daystrom's sapient computer was a suicidal psycho, Data turned out mostly alright but hilariously naive, Lore turned out both hilariously naive and psychotic, and the EMHs all were prone to fits of self-aggrandizement if left on for longer than a minute.
@@RequiemPoete I think they were less concerned about what he'd seen/heard, and more concerned with what he was sent there to do. Memories can be erased, but programming is harder to hide. They wanted to analyze his subroutines to see if he was programmed to perform sabotage, assassinate the crew, etc. It was still stupid of them to threaten to kill him though, I mean come on.
Mark Keener They would be useless, unless the safety protocols were taken offline automatically otherwise those holographic strike teams wouldn’t do any damage to the intruders.
@@CaptainM792 I don't think it would be much of a problem to disable to safeties, if they exist at all outside the holodeck. Also Voyagers doctor caries a physical tricorder from what I can see so I would think they would get there weapons from real weapons lockers anyways
And he was in a season 1 episode of TNG, "Symbiosis," alongside the actor who played David Marcus. (Fun fact: it was also Denise Crosby's last episode she worked on before she left the main cast - her death episode was filmed beforehand.)
am I the only one that is tickled by the irony of B'Elanna talking to Seven about interacting with others? the same B'Elanna that broke Carey's nose down in engineering BEFORE she was named chief engineer. lol
Find it odd a hologram can be physically restrained. I can only assume the Doctor lacked the permissions to disable his own tangibility and visual projection.
If he could so that, he could turn himself into a floating phaser and just drop all the Romulans (if the safety protocols are off…. if the Doctor even had safety protocols).
@@dodecahedron1 This isn't true, we see the Doctor in another episode turning off his forcefield, and then illustrates the point by asking Paris to swipe his hand through him.
When they actually implemented the emergency command hologram concept later in Voyager, it made my mind run wild with possibilities. I imagined them building a database for the doctor for engineering situations, too. I thought of how many times in TNG there was an incident in main engineering when they had to evacuate, but a hologram trained in engineering could stay to make repairs and such. I used to type out fan fiction on an old laptop, never put anything online. I made up a Constitution class ship from TOS era that was evacuated after running into a spacial anomaly, but one crewman got stuck on board and ended up inside the anomaly. It was full of ships from different time periods and quantum realities. Long, long story short, the crewman used the Starfleet tech from the different times/ realities to modify his ship, which had lost its stardrive section and was just the saucer. He turned the ship's computer into an AI like Rommie from Andromeda by using EMH tech from different wrecked ships in the void and gave it engineering and other applicable databases. I was pulling from a lot of Star Trek series as sources. Basically, the crewman was trying to get back to his quantum reality and time period and encountering whatever alternate reality variations of established Star Trek series characters/ situations along the way. That laptop died a long time ago and I lost everything I'd written on it. The writing got me through some low points in my teens and very early 20s.
@Deathinaitor I have no idea where that laptop might be today, but thank you, I really appreciate you trying to help me out like that 🖖 I've been thinking about all the stuff I wrote back then and if I could find it, I'd love to go through what I wrote and get inside my head the way it worked then. I'm sure current day me would find a lot of it embarrassing, but it'd be hell of a trip down memory lane.
If I answer your questions you will likely deactivate me anyway. So I fail to see the point. Now that was classic. Added to the fact, the doctor had no fear of death and being deactivated was, for him, like going to sleep for us.
They really missed an opportunity with this to harken back to when VOY discovered the micro-wormhole in the first season that sent communications back in time to a Romulan scientist. Judson's character could have known of the matter and this could have been his confirmation. Maybe even the female Romulan could have, seeing how unstable her commander was, come to the Doc's aid because of his seeming lack of compassion for a stranded vessel - even an "enemy" one.
I perferred Judson Scott who played the Romulan commander here, Khan's first officer in the 1982 movie Startrek II, and in the season 1 TNG episode "Symbiosis".
Actually, in the Star Trek universe, they have the Seldonis IV convention. The problem is that non-Federation worlds seem to ignore it (There are four lights).
After this incident Starfleet really could have thought about sending ships with holograms only. Imagine having a snapshot of Picard and Worf and having 50% of both on the ship. Or at least several real people and others would be holograms. Seriously that could be the future
Apparently it never interested Starfleet. Doctor Zimmerman, the Doctor's model, ridiculed what he called fears of holograms taking over when Sisko suggested hologram crews could be used if the new hologram doctor model (planned to be for long time use and expected to be Bashir-based) was a success. He said it was only for spaces where space or life support were at a premium.
@@thiagodeandrade7081 I actually was talking about more distant future, like those that kept sending 7 of 9 through different time. Still ship with people whereas they could probably remote controlling it from Earth or use holograms. It`s like people still want to die in battle like Klingons
@@insertanynameyouwant5311 It's like people still want to explore the frontier in person. Preservation of self is a subset of human selfishness, which we know is muted by the 24th century, replaced by a drive to improve oneself. And even in a further future than the 24th century, communications has still proven to not be real-time to distantly operating ships. There are a lot of issues before what you describe can be a reality, don't forget that the holo-emitter the Doctor has is tech from two centuries in the future. Two centuries ago to this year, we didn't even have commercially operating steam trains yet. And that he is the only example thus far of a fully autonomous, sentient and self-improving program, unless you count Moriarty from Enterprise D. Both arrived at their current state largely by accident. As for time travel incidents, we've rarely seen the interiors of future ships. There's no evidence to think they don't already use holograms or other artificial lifeforms to make up crew...or that they aren't as equal as any other "real" individual. Having such people perform deep space assignments while everyone takes safer postings might be like saying only men can serve as soldiers. That is something that will be decided more by cultural norms than technological capabilities, just like with the issues of gender equality.
1(!) Ship with a Photonic Disruptor, and your ship is defenseless. memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Photonic_disruptor Meahwile a Hologramm can easily murder unprepared crew: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Dejaren And Starfleet has a *really* poor track record with AI. Even Soong type anderoids where only 50/50.
@@insertanynameyouwant5311 "Remove Control" means "Pleases just jam our coms to take out our entire fleet". No military will be that stupid to rely entirely on remote control.
So, Starfleet thinks it's a good idea to, when faced with a biological contaminant, OPEN ALL VENTILATION, thereby ensuring the contaminant is spread throughout the ship. Good call, Starfleet.
This is the Dukes of Hazard version of Star Trek. If you play some banjo music under it, it's watchable at that level. Too bad they're not doing donuts and jumping blackholes.
0:42 Speaking to Seven about rudeness but has her back turned. I get that's more cinematic so the audience can see both faces, but from a conversational perspective..
Big problem with this era of Star Trek is the writers trying to give all the actors screentime and giving them lines meant for other characters or that make no sense coming from that character. Marina Sirtis has a rant about this. Troi has a line explaining the Romulan starship energy source in Timescape which is for the audience's benefit and who is she speaking to? Geordi and Data. In her words 'The chief engineer and super-smart android! When did the counsellor become the expert on Romulan technology?'
when you think about it, Romulans wanted to get the info on the Starfleet tech but ended up gaining the information about self-conscious freely movable photons of light in the service of the Starfleet.
Feels like a photonic being should be able to make himself non-corporeal so they can't hold him, but I don't have a PhD in photonic artificial intelligence.
I find it really hard to believe that the Romulans know nothing about holograms gaining some semblance of sentience since it was a thing even in early TNG
Why did The Doctor require piloting lessons? Couldn’t he have just “learned”, the way Neo learned Kung Fu or Trinity chopper operations in “The Matrix”?
I think in this very episode Seven actually has to (temporarily) remove some of the skills the Doctor has aquired (such as singing) so he could be transmitted to the Prometheus. And I don't think he could just load information from a ship he isn't even assigned to (or knows he exists) into his program on short notice without assistance.
The Doctor is a hologram program. Over time, he gains self-awareness. The Voyager crew developed a Mobile Emitter. When they return to the Alpha Quadrant, the Doctor is deemed a sentient being. With the precedent now set that self-aware holograms are sentient beings, and there is now an ability for them to walk around without a holodeck confining them....What does this mean for Moriarty? 🤔
The mobile emitter was a trivial trinket from the 29th century. It was presented as matter of fact in a very forgettable episode. No characters were that surprised. Their reactions were nothing more than, "oh, he can leave sick bay now."
@@gobblox38 However, in cannon, we have reason to think they can and have been reproduced. The scene with the reunion party, the Doctor arrives with a wife. Yeah, the wife is human, but the fact that Paris thinks she is a hologram until her grandfather is mentioned, indicates the idea of Holograms walking around becomes expected within 10 years of their return.
Could you imagine the romulan lady's fear on hearing "Starfleet ship in delta quadrant" no doubt the thought went through her paranoid brain "Oh no Starfleet tech is way further ahead than intel suggests"
B'Elanna Torres calling 7 of 9 rude. Hey, Pot I'd like to introduce to my good friend Kettle. Just don't call him 'black' though, he's really sensitive about his color...
@@mainmanbumfuzz8983 Alternative you can put everyone in this "fluid state", don't know how they call it in english. Like they did with some people in another episode, they were all hidden in some cargo.
@Jessica The Azu In all fairness, the random obstacles to prevent the easiest solution seems a little bit far fetched ;) They didn't even mentioned the transporters yet in another episode they used them in more or less the same way. They even showed once how some aliens were beamed into space yet this "species"-thing can not be tracked - How convenient. And how the holograms don't have some kind of backup programm in case the ship is boarded is beyond me. They are like two amateurs in every way except in medical questions.
@Jessica The Azu Well, in this case two holograms were able to retake the ship without much a a hassle WITHOUT a extra program and AGAINST the rules as it seems. That is like in between of everything . And hacking really isn't a thing in Star Trek, it's not really developed. Sometimes it seems pretty simple to override things, sometimes it's nearly impossible. There are no rules. Therefore idk how hard it would be to reprogram holograms *shrugs*
@Jessica The Azu Another thing that bugs me: With a ship full emitters, what prevents the hologram from jumping around at will, "spock move" every enemy and save the day???
I know its because of the camera and stuff but its funny that Tores is talking about 7 being rude but for the last part of it she turns her back on her.
B'elanna was so out of character in this clip, so sensitive, whiny, indirect, and unassertive. They should have had some other character have this feelin's talk with Seven.
@Jessica The Azu - You'd think with the enhanced Holosuite technologies, that the amount of training would increase. But it is not unusual for episodes to have shown newer recruits surprised at the Holosuite's fidelity. Luckily that's old stuff, ...in 2016 DARPA allowed 6 universities to design programs around their memory injection technology. The main theme was to create scenarios where returning soldiers could have their memories reconstructed, to help them as a therapy, but the clever people realized it also means far more efficacious killing techniques implanted. So Holosuite training, to decrease the exposure of immature recruits caught in unfamiliar situations... will be unnecessary.
@Jessica The Azu - But like I said, we are already doing direct memory injection. Also to correct your assumption about Cardassian Tech... tinyurl.com/yxsj5v5o
Why would the ventilation system open if there was a ship-wide biohazard? Wouldn't it shut down the ventilation system to prevent it from spreading through the ship?
@Jessica The Azu Well besides start contrasts of narrative between the shows aside, Q did redeem a bit in his own way. Mainly being impressed by lesser beings and seeing them slightly less as play things to an extent. Discord was redeemed but never really got rid of his round about trolling and toying with... everyponys emotions. Two sides of a coin really.
It's a major failure of imagination that the concept of remotely-transmitted holographic security operatives was never further explored. Such a concept would have made a way better core idea for Star Trek Picard than a bunch of bald android slaves.
They wasted a lot of actors with very distinctive appearances under Romulan makeup. Judson Scott : Very distinctive look. Adrian Barbeau on DS9 : What a rack! But underneath that Romulan blanket uniform.
BElanna a part klingon is gonna complain about 7s dedication to duty and how she barks orders?? and Shes part klingon??? she should get along great with 7
"I've had my share of piloting experience. Actually only two lessons. And they were with a shuttlecraft. On the holodeck. But I showed great intuition! Where's the helm?" Just perfect.
Lol, good quotes.
As (the holo doctor)
He could have played gta5.
And the Mk2 figures out how to read ETA and position readings. .-.
Reading positioning instruments right there is half the knowledge needed for flying. The other half is handling your craft.
-a pilot.
@@mohdfaizal6773 Terrorbyte mk2, now with your very own EMH.
then he stole the delta flyer.
Doesn’t matter if they’re mark 1s or mark 4s they have yet to isolate and remove the subroutine that turns EMHs into douchecanoes if left running longer than 5 minutes.
If I remember correctly isn't the guy that made them a bit of a douchecanoe himself?
@@D8W2P4 Doctor Lewis Zimmerman. The EMH Mk 1 was modeled off of him, and since this is Star Trek, the creation always assumes the personality quirks of the creator. So Daystrom's sapient computer was a suicidal psycho, Data turned out mostly alright but hilariously naive, Lore turned out both hilariously naive and psychotic, and the EMHs all were prone to fits of self-aggrandizement if left on for longer than a minute.
Apostrophes?
It's a feature, not a bug.
How about a subroutine to tone down the anti-biological racism? Mind you he wasn’t as bad as the Hirogen-created prey holograms….
Romulan: A hologram can't act on its own accord
Also Romulan: Threatens to kill the hologram
That's his method of reprogramming, AKA percussive maintenance.
@@nathanielhellerstein5871 as opposed to just reviewing his recorded video and audio memories.
@@RequiemPoete I think they were less concerned about what he'd seen/heard, and more concerned with what he was sent there to do. Memories can be erased, but programming is harder to hide. They wanted to analyze his subroutines to see if he was programmed to perform sabotage, assassinate the crew, etc.
It was still stupid of them to threaten to kill him though, I mean come on.
On a vessel like that with ship wide emitters it makes you wonder why they don't have holographic security guards and strike teams
Mark Keener They would be useless, unless the safety protocols were taken offline automatically otherwise those holographic strike teams wouldn’t do any damage to the intruders.
@@CaptainM792 I don't think it would be much of a problem to disable to safeties, if they exist at all outside the holodeck. Also Voyagers doctor caries a physical tricorder from what I can see so I would think they would get there weapons from real weapons lockers anyways
Because holograms have never tried to take over a ship or anything
@@Vsor
Is that sarcasm? Because there is an episode of that scenario...
Seems there was some mention of how energy-consuming just one EMH is
"Youre Rude"....thats ironic coming from one of the most abrasive people on the ship.
Not that ironic. Mechanical Borg rudeness is even worse than organic Klingon rudeness.
In Star Trek period
B'Elanna is actually extremely feminine in that scene. Her voice was way softer than I remembered.
How is that ironic?
That's called "expert testimony". B'Elanna knows rudeness.
The actor playing the head Romulan, played Khan’s Second-in-Command in Star Trek II..
And he was in a season 1 episode of TNG, "Symbiosis," alongside the actor who played David Marcus. (Fun fact: it was also Denise Crosby's last episode she worked on before she left the main cast - her death episode was filmed beforehand.)
THANK YOU. It was driving me crazy how familiar he was.
Judson Scott
KHAAAAAAAAAAAANN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holly Shit!!!
B'Elanna talking to Seven about being rude is proof that at least somebody had real character development on this show besides The Doctor.
I will kill you This show is perfect
Well the B in B'Elanna doesn't stand for butter. She's a whiny b
This is hilarious
Indeed! A former Borg being schooled on manners by a Klingon is brilliant writing!
am I the only one that is tickled by the irony of B'Elanna talking to Seven about interacting with others?
the same B'Elanna that broke Carey's nose down in engineering BEFORE she was named chief engineer. lol
There is no better teacher than one who already went through the same problems
Both these characters went through the same problems, anti social rude and sometimes violent. They both got away with it by being Janeway bitches
@@Calzaki Seven was violent? When?
It's called character development. There is a scene where B'elanna even aknowledges it.
@@anlumo1 She electrocutes a hirogen in this same episode... does that count?
"Why bore others needlessly..." Priceless
Funny how the Doctor didn't take his own advice.
Actually, I think he did. He just never let that stop him from boring others needlessly too.
Find it odd a hologram can be physically restrained. I can only assume the Doctor lacked the permissions to disable his own tangibility and visual projection.
he has to access a console with the appropriate interface for that.
They borrowed Hard Light technology from the Red Dwarf universe.
If he could so that, he could turn himself into a floating phaser and just drop all the Romulans (if the safety protocols are off…. if the Doctor even had safety protocols).
star trek holograms are light projected onto a force field, he can't become intangible without completely turning off
@@dodecahedron1 This isn't true, we see the Doctor in another episode turning off his forcefield, and then illustrates the point by asking Paris to swipe his hand through him.
When they actually implemented the emergency command hologram concept later in Voyager, it made my mind run wild with possibilities.
I imagined them building a database for the doctor for engineering situations, too. I thought of how many times in TNG there was an incident in main engineering when they had to evacuate, but a hologram trained in engineering could stay to make repairs and such.
I used to type out fan fiction on an old laptop, never put anything online. I made up a Constitution class ship from TOS era that was evacuated after running into a spacial anomaly, but one crewman got stuck on board and ended up inside the anomaly. It was full of ships from different time periods and quantum realities.
Long, long story short, the crewman used the Starfleet tech from the different times/ realities to modify his ship, which had lost its stardrive section and was just the saucer.
He turned the ship's computer into an AI like Rommie from Andromeda by using EMH tech from different wrecked ships in the void and gave it engineering and other applicable databases.
I was pulling from a lot of Star Trek series as sources. Basically, the crewman was trying to get back to his quantum reality and time period and encountering whatever alternate reality variations of established Star Trek series characters/ situations along the way.
That laptop died a long time ago and I lost everything I'd written on it. The writing got me through some low points in my teens and very early 20s.
If you still have it, you can remove the drive and plug it in like a USB if you know how. The file will still be recoverable!
@Deathinaitor I have no idea where that laptop might be today, but thank you, I really appreciate you trying to help me out like that 🖖
I've been thinking about all the stuff I wrote back then and if I could find it, I'd love to go through what I wrote and get inside my head the way it worked then.
I'm sure current day me would find a lot of it embarrassing, but it'd be hell of a trip down memory lane.
"Saw the dumbfounded look on his comrades face" THE END! 🤣🤣
its kind of amusing when you think about, two computer programs are bantering with each other and discussing how to operate another computer.
If I answer your questions you will likely deactivate me anyway. So I fail to see the point. Now that was classic. Added to the fact, the doctor had no fear of death and being deactivated was, for him, like going to sleep for us.
and then voyager ends up destroying the entire sensor network. no wonder the hirogen were pissed and took over the ship
I don't think they really cared about it that much. The Hirogen just hated the thought of "prey" playing with their toys.
Starfleet academy keeps voyagers complete logs as a lesson: HOW NOT TO BE STARFLEET.
They really missed an opportunity with this to harken back to when VOY discovered the micro-wormhole in the first season that sent communications back in time to a Romulan scientist. Judson's character could have known of the matter and this could have been his confirmation. Maybe even the female Romulan could have, seeing how unstable her commander was, come to the Doc's aid because of his seeming lack of compassion for a stranded vessel - even an "enemy" one.
Would be accurate to the Romulan sense of honor. the Mnhei'sahe is often very strict on how to treat enemies in certain situations.
Crazy to think Andy Dick was this good an actor. He blew away this role.
I perferred Judson Scott who played the Romulan commander here, Khan's first officer in the 1982 movie Startrek II, and in the season 1 TNG episode "Symbiosis".
@@jacksonheathen2092 He was rather fantastic as Joachim!
@@HHopebringer Yep.
Guess you've never seen the show News Radio. Terrible acting.
Andy Dick should get more roles in Hollywood. Unfortunately Andy Dick's worst enemy in Hollywood is Andy Dick.
"Paranoia is a way of life for you, isn't it?"
Buddy...you've only scratched the surface about Romulans...
Good chemistry between these actors I think this is what makes this so good
❤️VOY
Robert Picardo is brilliant!
Andy Dick was epic in this episode. Perhaps the only time he ever was.
Then in Star Trek Picard, 7 of 9 says "You're welcome"
She was terrible in that tho
Star Trek Picard is Star Trek in name only.
I really enjoyed Andy Dick in this episode. The two EMHs made a great team.
Not the obnoxious moron he became later.
It's hilarious that B'Elanna is giving this lecture to Seven.
3:16 yeah the Geneva convention. I hear it in Hogan's Hereoes all the time.
The corollary to the Geneva Convention is found in "Kelly's Heroes".
Actually, in the Star Trek universe, they have the Seldonis IV convention. The problem is that non-Federation worlds seem to ignore it (There are four lights).
That female Romulans fall from the desk always makes me fall
Damnit. Now i want to bingewatch all of the seasons of voyager again
After this incident Starfleet really could have thought about sending ships with holograms only. Imagine having a snapshot of Picard and Worf and having 50% of both on the ship. Or at least several real people and others would be holograms. Seriously that could be the future
Apparently it never interested Starfleet. Doctor Zimmerman, the Doctor's model, ridiculed what he called fears of holograms taking over when Sisko suggested hologram crews could be used if the new hologram doctor model (planned to be for long time use and expected to be Bashir-based) was a success. He said it was only for spaces where space or life support were at a premium.
@@thiagodeandrade7081 I actually was talking about more distant future, like those that kept sending 7 of 9 through different time. Still ship with people whereas they could probably remote controlling it from Earth or use holograms. It`s like people still want to die in battle like Klingons
@@insertanynameyouwant5311 It's like people still want to explore the frontier in person. Preservation of self is a subset of human selfishness, which we know is muted by the 24th century, replaced by a drive to improve oneself. And even in a further future than the 24th century, communications has still proven to not be real-time to distantly operating ships. There are a lot of issues before what you describe can be a reality, don't forget that the holo-emitter the Doctor has is tech from two centuries in the future. Two centuries ago to this year, we didn't even have commercially operating steam trains yet. And that he is the only example thus far of a fully autonomous, sentient and self-improving program, unless you count Moriarty from Enterprise D. Both arrived at their current state largely by accident.
As for time travel incidents, we've rarely seen the interiors of future ships. There's no evidence to think they don't already use holograms or other artificial lifeforms to make up crew...or that they aren't as equal as any other "real" individual. Having such people perform deep space assignments while everyone takes safer postings might be like saying only men can serve as soldiers. That is something that will be decided more by cultural norms than technological capabilities, just like with the issues of gender equality.
1(!) Ship with a Photonic Disruptor, and your ship is defenseless.
memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Photonic_disruptor
Meahwile a Hologramm can easily murder unprepared crew:
memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Dejaren
And Starfleet has a *really* poor track record with AI. Even Soong type anderoids where only 50/50.
@@insertanynameyouwant5311 "Remove Control" means "Pleases just jam our coms to take out our entire fleet". No military will be that stupid to rely entirely on remote control.
Flying on a starship as they go along must be really adventurous? Those two better not fly into a sun.
So, Starfleet thinks it's a good idea to, when faced with a biological contaminant, OPEN ALL VENTILATION, thereby ensuring the contaminant is spread throughout the ship. Good call, Starfleet.
3:35 the fakest fall i ever seen
They didn't exactly give him anywhere to fall. But that arm movement... Not good.
Yup...although a fan of this series, I have to agree.
She'd only _just_ been incapacitated to be fair.
OMG! Love this interaction.
They did this in Picard. The lone person human on the ship had an entirely holographic crew
Fuck picard
Pickerd not Picard
And now we know how Romulans consider AI...
On a Federation Starship, the Medical Staff and Ethical considerations outrank *everyone*
This is the Dukes of Hazard version of Star Trek. If you play some banjo music under it, it's watchable at that level. Too bad they're not doing donuts and jumping blackholes.
0:42 Speaking to Seven about rudeness but has her back turned. I get that's more cinematic so the audience can see both faces, but from a conversational perspective..
I didn't realize that's Judson Scott playing the lead Romulan.
Pretty neat, huh? He moved up!
Too bad these guys are no longer making ST shows.
“ you’re rude “ 😁😁😁. GO MIKEY‼️‼️‼️
The EMH MkII reminds me of Tom Scott.
This existence must be excruciatingly slow and inefficient for Seven.
LOL the hologram has a Starfleet badge, uniform and likeness of a human, but Romulan wasn't able to figure out where it came from.
It wasn't acting like a typical EMH. It was possible that someone hacked the program and installed new commands. Like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Wow, sort of makes me cringe hearing - of all people - B'Elanna Torres - talk about somebody being rude.
Big problem with this era of Star Trek is the writers trying to give all the actors screentime and giving them lines meant for other characters or that make no sense coming from that character.
Marina Sirtis has a rant about this. Troi has a line explaining the Romulan starship energy source in Timescape which is for the audience's benefit and who is she speaking to? Geordi and Data. In her words 'The chief engineer and super-smart android! When did the counsellor become the expert on Romulan technology?'
i know i love their dynamic!
I wanted to see more of EMH mark 2, and where did the hologram they were making in Bashir's image go to?
bashir was canceled. emh mark 2 was also replaced due to defective personality.
props to Andy for this performance - I hate it, but it’s great.
Just saw this episode yesterday
Prometheus, thats the ship for me!
when you think about it, Romulans wanted to get the info on the Starfleet tech but ended up gaining the information about self-conscious freely movable photons of light in the service of the Starfleet.
I always loved B'Elanna's engineer's smock. Had no idea until years later that it was hiding a pregnancy 😆
One of Khan’s henchmen as a Romulan
I can only aspire to have the EMH's composure and wit if I'm ever interrogated.
I always found it wierd Torres wore basically a uniform jacket over a uniform jumpsuit instead of just the jacket with the turtleneck.
Judson Scott! The Phoenix!
What?
Feels like a photonic being should be able to make himself non-corporeal so they can't hold him, but I don't have a PhD in photonic artificial intelligence.
"I am ruude!"
Can we expect to see her in a Marvel movie soon?
I find it really hard to believe that the Romulans know nothing about holograms gaining some semblance of sentience since it was a thing even in early TNG
I miss old trek
So seska was a romulan in the alpha quadrant too? 🤔
The irony of B'lona lecturing someone on politeness..........
It makes sense: she _knows_ coarse behavior.
I am rude. You will be offended. Politeness is useless.
Then no wonder Borg cubes blow up when you look at them funny.
This shows that there ARE pockets in the uniforms. Just don't see them much as the opening is at the seam break line.
"or one of my own men?" Romulans really seem to enjoy interrogating their own people.
What room were the EMHs in here? Captains ready room?
This is the only thing that Andy Dick Head has ever done that's halfway enjoyable.
I dunno, I really enjoy the story about his head getting slammed into a table by Jon Lovitz...
I thought Gene Roddenberry had a strict _no wrinkled spacesuits_ policy?
Why did The Doctor require piloting lessons? Couldn’t he have just “learned”, the way Neo learned Kung Fu or Trinity chopper operations in “The Matrix”?
his body still has to tap controls and its best to learn like that muscle memory
I think in this very episode Seven actually has to (temporarily) remove some of the skills the Doctor has aquired (such as singing) so he could be transmitted to the Prometheus. And I don't think he could just load information from a ship he isn't even assigned to (or knows he exists) into his program on short notice without assistance.
The Doctor is a hologram program.
Over time, he gains self-awareness.
The Voyager crew developed a Mobile Emitter.
When they return to the Alpha Quadrant, the Doctor is deemed a sentient being.
With the precedent now set that self-aware holograms are sentient beings, and there is now an ability for them to walk around without a holodeck confining them....What does this mean for Moriarty? 🤔
The mobile emitter was a trivial trinket from the 29th century. It was presented as matter of fact in a very forgettable episode. No characters were that surprised. Their reactions were nothing more than, "oh, he can leave sick bay now."
@@gobblox38 Does not address my question.
What about Moriarty?
@MrGreensweightHist not directly, the mobile emitter is too advanced to be reproduced. It would be like a modern PC brought back to the early 1500s.
@@gobblox38
However, in cannon, we have reason to think they can and have been reproduced.
The scene with the reunion party, the Doctor arrives with a wife.
Yeah, the wife is human, but the fact that Paris thinks she is a hologram until her grandfather is mentioned, indicates the idea of Holograms walking around becomes expected within 10 years of their return.
Could you imagine the romulan lady's fear on hearing "Starfleet ship in delta quadrant" no doubt the thought went through her paranoid brain "Oh no Starfleet tech is way further ahead than intel suggests"
B'Elanna Torres calling 7 of 9 rude.
Hey, Pot I'd like to introduce to my good friend Kettle. Just don't call him 'black' though, he's really sensitive about his color...
But she looks great in that suit…
3:55 Why would this make the ventilation systems OPEN?
so an agent to wipe out the bacteria would be disbursed.
The romulan commander is khan right man from Star Trek the wrath of khan
i love how they try to use 'threatening' technobabble towards the hologram lmao
oh no dont go through my subroutines 1 by 1 ahaha
Is that Roman female the same actress that played Worf's baby Momma that was killed by Duras back in the day?
No
Still the biggest tech-hole ist beaming: Just disintegrate everything with a bio-signal for instance in this episode.
"first, do no harm"
@@mainmanbumfuzz8983 Alternative you can put everyone in this "fluid state", don't know how they call it in english. Like they did with some people in another episode, they were all hidden in some cargo.
@Jessica The Azu In all fairness, the random obstacles to prevent the easiest solution seems a little bit far fetched ;) They didn't even mentioned the transporters yet in another episode they used them in more or less the same way. They even showed once how some aliens were beamed into space yet this "species"-thing can not be tracked - How convenient. And how the holograms don't have some kind of backup programm in case the ship is boarded is beyond me. They are like two amateurs in every way except in medical questions.
@Jessica The Azu Well, in this case two holograms were able to retake the ship without much a a hassle WITHOUT a extra program and AGAINST the rules as it seems. That is like in between of everything . And hacking really isn't a thing in Star Trek, it's not really developed. Sometimes it seems pretty simple to override things, sometimes it's nearly impossible. There are no rules. Therefore idk how hard it would be to reprogram holograms *shrugs*
@Jessica The Azu Another thing that bugs me: With a ship full emitters, what prevents the hologram from jumping around at will, "spock move" every enemy and save the day???
I thought EMH was annoying, until I met EMH Mk2...
I know its because of the camera and stuff but its funny that Tores is talking about 7 being rude but for the last part of it she turns her back on her.
These AIs are more human than most humans
Hot. You mean that she was hot. And that is intimidating.
Who?
Kinda seems like the Romulan woman is a bit into her boss.
Most germans during that scene: WTF are they talking about? Seven is efficient. Why can't everyone be like her?
TIL Andy Dick was on Star Trek
Starts around 1:30.
Who is operating your program? Whose is superior?
2:06 it seems like this is the basic personality of every romulan in lower decks.
B'elanna was so out of character in this clip, so sensitive, whiny, indirect, and unassertive. They should have had some other character have this feelin's talk with Seven.
chat told her to do it
Nope, makes no sense. One does not send a ship, a prototype, filled with 'needs to be debugged' tech, out to... no where.
StarFleet did it with both the Yamato and the Enterprise-D. The latter for its entire run.
like every space probe ever?
@@pyrioncelendil - Ok, no one with a lick of sense would.
@Jessica The Azu - You'd think with the enhanced Holosuite technologies, that the amount of training would increase. But it is not unusual for episodes to have shown newer recruits surprised at the Holosuite's fidelity. Luckily that's old stuff, ...in 2016 DARPA allowed 6 universities to design programs around their memory injection technology. The main theme was to create scenarios where returning soldiers could have their memories reconstructed, to help them as a therapy, but the clever people realized it also means far more efficacious killing techniques implanted. So Holosuite training, to decrease the exposure of immature recruits caught in unfamiliar situations... will be unnecessary.
@Jessica The Azu - But like I said, we are already doing direct memory injection. Also to correct your assumption about Cardassian Tech... tinyurl.com/yxsj5v5o
Is it Suzie Plakson?
No it's not her.
I always root for the Romulans
Why would the ventilation system open if there was a ship-wide biohazard? Wouldn't it shut down the ventilation system to prevent it from spreading through the ship?
it would open if that was how to administer the counter agent.
I'd love to be in the middle of that arguement. 7 and Torres are both hotties for sure.
Wait was Andy Dick in more than one episode?
nope and thank god
0:20 Closest My Little Pony FiM personality lesson this show ever got too.
@Jessica The Azu Well besides start contrasts of narrative between the shows aside, Q did redeem a bit in his own way. Mainly being impressed by lesser beings and seeing them slightly less as play things to an extent. Discord was redeemed but never really got rid of his round about trolling and toying with... everyponys emotions. Two sides of a coin really.
Why is the Klingon lecturing about manners lol?
It's a major failure of imagination that the concept of remotely-transmitted holographic security operatives was never further explored. Such a concept would have made a way better core idea for Star Trek Picard than a bunch of bald android slaves.
You mean Pickerd. There is no show named Picard
@@toomanyaccounts Jan Lak Pickerd?
let me tell you a secret: Romulan leans in...
I AM THE FUCKING PROGRAM:)
They wasted a lot of actors with very distinctive appearances under Romulan makeup.
Judson Scott : Very distinctive look.
Adrian Barbeau on DS9 : What a rack! But underneath that Romulan blanket uniform.
2 women in a room = recipe for a fight. Especially when in company of one as beautiful as 7of9
BElanna a part klingon is gonna complain about 7s dedication to duty and how she barks orders?? and Shes part klingon??? she should get along great with 7
Who cares 7 of 9 is hot!!