VAADWAUR: Cultural Index
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.พ. 2020
- Sometimes you can't predict the outcome of a first contact.
Sometimes things go well, sometimes the species wants nothing to do with the Federation, and sometime you accidentally unleash an ancient evil upon the Delta Quadrant.
The Vaadwaur may not have been the nicest species in history, but after their suspended animation, now their wrath is only distilled.
This is the Cultural Index a series aimed at exploring various Science-Fiction species.
For outsiders to a series to get to know the basics and maybe even hardened Sci-fi nuts might discover something new.
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Sounds like the Talaxian use of "Vaadwaur" to mean "fool" was in reference to "You would be a fool to trust a Vaadwaur."
Well the fact that the living Vaadwaur seem to sill believe in their baseless supremacy over the other races after awakening from a 900 year hypersleep and into a time when they are outclassed technologically, they are dumb as fuck, lol. 😂
@@ohlawd3699 Hmm.. Just like any supremacist.
@@ohlawd3699 They weren't dumb. They were extremely ambitious, intelligent, ruthless, and courageous.... there only weakness was there small number of people left. If they had a large enough population it wouldn't take them long to acquire (take) modern technology, understand it, and be right up to Star Fleet levels.
It was more like: “the vaadwaur are synonymous with being fools”
@@RickySpanish12344 hence why its dumb they didnt have the population OR the tech to even be a equal to the current powers they would have brought themselves back into extinction if they hadnt lucked out with the iconians supporting them.
the Vaadwar are terrifyingly competent as a military force. these guys are THE DOMINION if the Dominion suffered the massive inconvenience of being nuked back to the stone age and then roleplaying as Brotherhood of Steel.
I don't know about you but I think the Vaudwaar or one of most interesting species and had one of the most memorable stories of voyager.
To be fair, that's like being the smartest kid in the special education class. Most of Voyager's species were blander than TOS nonhuman species. Their star-faring descendants of our dinosaurs had a lot more potential in being interesting.
The devore. Why did they hate espers. How did they get tech to rival the voth to overpower voyager. Why did they becone so autocratic.
They were great. In my head cannon they find there are millions or billions of living Vaudwaar who are treated as a servants to another species. The awoken Vaudwaar are outraged, and lead a rebellion. They rebuild their empire, and Star Fleet runs into them 20 to 30 years after Voyager.... I also think they would make natural allies with the Cardassians or maybe Romulans.
I wish Voyager had the Vaadwaur as a season wide enemy constantly harassing them right up until the end. With the use of the corridors they could come out of nowhere anywhere along the path that voyager was going.
gotta remember when voyager left they probs got wiped out sept for a few since they were in a fight with people 900 years ahead in weapons and shields
Yeah, kind of sad that season long storyline weren't really a regular thing when Voyager was airing on tv.
@@Robosapien_ DS9 did it.
I think they would have made a good series villian.
They felt like the Delta Quadrant's version of Cardassians.
@@Tms0211 I knew something about them was familiar. That's exactly it! They are that quadrant's Cardassians!
@@That80sGuy1972 They are a combination of Cardassians and Klingons. They are cunning, arrogant, intelligent, and deceitful like Cardassians, but they also don't have a fear of death, and embrace conflict like the Klingons.
I always felt the Vaadwaur's neck is what happens when a Cardassian does a Cardassian neck trick.
Those cannon volly of theirs are a nightmare to fight against "
I get that they got new weapons, ships and technology from their shadowy allies, but what I'm wondering is where they got the manpower from. They were basically extinct, with only a handful of survivors, right? There must have been many more cryo-sleep installations beyond the one from Voyager so that they could replenish their numbers.
It's hinted that there are, such as on Kartella. They also manage to get into the one on the world the Kobali claimed, so they could be beaming pods up, or opening them and taking their stasis people that way.
Actually, if STO is going to do a next "big bad", it could be fighting the Vaads again, who have nothing to lose after Gaul getting killed and the Icos choosing to leave the galaxy alone - well, except for T'Ket.
perhaps cloning 🤔
It's honestly just a lazy story for a video game. They would have to rebuild their population, education system and entire infrastructure.
The getting advanced tech from a mysterious third party is probably the laziest part.
They basically turned them into Kazon clones.
@@Bitchslapper316 like sulibans
@@Velldog Yeh
Am I the only one who thinks it's interesting that Voyager had both an episode about a sentient (female) ship AI and around the same time had a different episode about people trying to resurrect a centuries-dead civilisation about a year before Andromeda came on the air?
This guy is connecting those dots.
@@SergioRodriguez-bq2wq I mean it makes sence they would know about it. The DS9 writers worked on it at the beginning and Majel was involved in both Star Trek and Andromeda.
I agree that IS interesting.
both are by Roddenberry's hand
@@mrbojangles8133 Voyager also portrayed both of those things as negative.
ANDORIANS! GLORY TO THE EMPIRE!
I wish they would make a whole prequel about the rise and fall of the Andorians , they made Enterprise bearable
@@TheArchersTungsten That had so much canon to work with and ignored it, I agree. They did a great job with the Andorians and shown how they and the Tellarites were better friends than the Vulcans until the humans "became" a useful species. So... did they go right into the meat and bone of the Klingon and Romulan hostilities and into the simmer-down of the cold wars with the trek meeting many "minority" species as well as the near overthrow from the augments in new and different ways and finding ways to keep it fresh? Nope, they filled it with some temporal war and a trek into a space-bending expanse with their own aliens that had nothing to do with the future (TOS) universe and beyond. They could have used any number of existing ST aliens for any of those stories... no need to literally bend time and space as an ongoing theme.
Sooooooo basically they had the Eldar Web Way?
I vote Vulcan. I admire their serenity achieved above the raging ocean.
X X those who march beneath the raptor’s wings would like t- already know your location.
this was one of the better voyager episodes.
9:45 Design of the Vaadwaur soldiers reminds me of a cross between the Kalderans from Andromeda and battle toads from the NES
I still highly recommend you do a series on the Votan races from Defiance. Eight distinct alien races that originate in the same star system and travel to Earth when that star collides with another.
That has been perplexing me since Defiance was a show literally everyone watched. It sucked how they obviously ran out of ideas and caused the show to die in a lazy-written finale... at least it had one.
These guys were interesting. Kind of makes you wonder if they share any distant ancestry with the Cardassians doesn't it.
finally you did the vaaduar
How about a Cultural Index on the Vidiians? They always struck me as one of the most terrifying races in Voyager. Quite a bit more advanced than Star Fleet and far more ruthless.
I'd like to see them as well. I don't think they were that more advanced than starfleet, just in some medical equipment which was developed fighting the phage.
I'd like to see them again because it was said before the phage they had a thriving and peaceful culture.
Now that the phage was cured I'd like to see how they pucked up the pieces and rebuilt.
I could see the Vidiians getting a ton of "blowback" from all the other races they had previously preyed upon once the phage was cured.
They'd have A TON of restitution and retribution coming their way.
@@Bitchslapper316 The Phage was never cured. The Doc tried, but never was able to
@@histguy101 It was cured off screen by the think tank. They talk about it in the episode "think tank".
@@Bitchslapper316 I'm assuming they were lying. They got access to Voyager's database before meeting them, which is how they knew about Seven of Nine. They set up the whole scam to acquire Seven, then acted surprised when they met her.
He just had to impress Janeway, and she would never be able to verify if he was telling the truth. Plus the Vidiians were were like 30 years away and the think tank was a known local group.
Really. I think STO did the right thing for the Vaadwaur. After all. As you stated. The Vaadwaur went into statics during times of war. And woke up still thinking it was just yesterday their homeworld was being bombarded to dust. So even few in number. Rebuilding in such a short time and yet all for war. I can see it.
Think about freezing a World War 2 soldier...oh...Just think of Captain America. Best example really. Waking up to a new world where they aren't fighting. Yet still very much a fighter and willing to fight.
That is basically the Vaadwaur. Yet instead of at least ATTEMPTING in adjusting. Decide to just go to war with nearly everyone.
Perfect fodder for the Iconians. That devil's bargain must have sounded like a gift from the gods.
I agree but if it wasn't for the 'mysterious benefactors' the Vaadwaur probably would have antagonized everyone into destroying them again. If things didn't go the way they did in STO they probably would have just become a remnant group of little more than pirates and terrorists.
*stasis
Ehh i'd say a better example would be a soldier from the hundred years war rather than a world war 2 soldier
Na this was a lazy story for a video game. They would have had to rebuild their population and infrastructure and would have had to do it without scientists or teachers.
Instead they took a lazy shortcut and had a mysterious third party do all the hard work. Essentially turning them into Kazon clones.
Rick, please do a cultural index on the Kelvan Empire! They're quite the interesting bunch, being the only known form of sapient life from the Andromeda Galaxy in Trek.
Space Wehrmacht!. I prefer their style over the Cardassians.
I'd rather space fight Cardassians. Vaadwaur ships fire annoying artillery strikes. No, matter if you are able to normally overpower them. That strike can just rip through your shields and hull with little effort. ANNOYING!
Qardo but awesome though! Really makes them a force to be reckoned with and adds to their blitz krieger vibe
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 Oh no. I like it. Just hate fighting them lol. I am a Federation Engineer! I do not look for hard fights! I leave that up to the Klingons. Lol.
@@Qardo ah I get it. I can't imagine it's fun having to work on a ship while being raided by the Vaadwaur. I'm a Cardassian... Intelligence manager shall we say so I lack the required experience to know such events first hand. I bet you have plenty of exciting stories
Heavily agreed. Mix the Cardassians and the Vaadwaur and you have the space third Reich
The Vaadwuar supposedly did make it as far as the alpha quadrant according to one episode of Star Trek Enterprise with the repair station.
Please do some Babylon 5 Indexes =D
Those goddamn exploding X-s!
Also known as polaron barrage annoying as fuck when your trapped by the constricter anchor
I've not faced the Vaadwaur for a long time in STO, but I do recall swearing a lot when I did.
Thankfully am a tank in STO. Its not a
problem for me but still annoying
@@lostrider99robledo55 I have the tactical cruiser (Promethius Class). It has good firepower, but I'm constantly forced to fall back to recharge sheilds and repair hull damage.
THROW UP THE X!
Love these cultural videos
Meanwhile in Battlestar Galactiga we literally found space Nazis.
Who were the space Nazis?
gothicalpha everyone. But Cavill(old cylon male) was totally a fascist.
@@gothicalpha watch the original and find out.
@@gothicalpha eastern empire
So did TOS!
The Vaadwaur and Cardassians have to be my two most favorite species. I just love everything about them, especially their tech and aesthetic.
I love the vaadwaur
The bigger the smile the sharper the Knive
- Quark
They quote the Hagakure that should tell you everything you need to know.
I cast my vote for the next vid, but seeing both would be cool.
Great as always
I think it would be an awesome story if it was the Founders along with other species that helped defeat the Vaudwaar... that it was the Vaudwaar that was hunting the Changeling who was helped by the Vorta.
Does that track? The Dominion was supposedly founded 10,000 years ago (from the DS9 period) It could work if I remember correctly they hadn't lost a war in 1000 years so I guess that could work.
@@timcirulis5273 I think it's dumb that they were founded 10,000 years ago. So what they are saying is that 10,000 years ago they were already advanced while humans were still using animals for travel... Somehow we managed to catch up to them, and in some ways become more advanced... it makes no sense.
Great stuff man! Thanks for sharing with us. God bless you :)
Excellent video. Always liked the Vaadwaur, wish they were in more episodes of Voyager.
I noticed you haven't done a video about the Son'a yet, although their movie was pretty forgettable their concept is pretty cool.
Interesting and cunning species, it would be interesting if they approached them more in the future series or movie of Star Trek
Beautiful ships.
Vulvans!
This episode is a good example of how reckless Janeway really is
Also, i think there would be a split. Some might just want to live and others want to bring back the empire days. But I think the ones that want peace would be in the minority.
I don’t think the Death Corp of Krieg would appreciate aliens adopting their armor aesthetic
Ah yes, the delta quadrant off brand cardassians.
I feel it's very accurate
Look/sound/act similar to Cardassians. Any relation?
Yes
I love how Star Trek Online advanced the Vaadwaur.
I vote for a Vulcan remastering. Also, it would be nice to know how the Vaadwaur created their subspace corridors.
I think your andorian index was pretty expletive complete.
Polaron weapons disrupt plasma power systems which are used by most space fairing races, and it can also knock systems offline. On the ground, polaron weaponry can knock ground particle weapons offline for a brief time, and can also cause a stunlike effect similar to phasers set to stun that knock enemies out. Modified polaron weapons can even cause radiation, and can cause a knockback effect repelling enemy forces.
As a culture rhey remind me of Cardassians.
I think we should not worry too much about the Vaadwaur. I saw only one female specimen in the entire episode, and she died. So I think in the long term… Well, for them, there will be no long term.
Cloning?
Perhaps you can make a video on the Nausicaans.
Vulcan cultural index.
Will you also be doing a Cyberman cultural index in the future?
any new information about the nanite civilization on Kavis Alpha IV? I'm really curious about that
especie interessante e astuta, seria interessante se abordassem mais sobre eles em futura serie ou filme de star trek
Only wish Janeway could have probed the Vaadwaur for more info on the Borg encounters 900 years ago. Learning the earlier part of the Borg's history might be very valuable. The Vaadwaur are supposed to have eidetic memory so could recall every specific detail.
It's implied the Borg 900 years ago were nowhere near the great threat they are now. More like a small infestation of cyborg zombies in your backyard.
Did they have more than ONE deep shelter? You can’t rebuild an entire society with 600 people.
So many options for different races and species. But I'm still waiting for Betazoid from Star Trek.
Vadwar delta quadrant cardassians. They even look similar. Maybe a subspecies? Like the linked genetics episode on tng proving genetic links to cardassians romulan Klingon and humans
Sounds like they should have been introduced to some Ferengi Daimons with a side of Nausican mercenaries.
can you do a cultural index video of arachnid from starship troopers series
reall like a cultural index of arachinds from starship troopers
This could've been a good voyager movie vadwaar reclaim a large amount of space again to an invasion level and pose a threat to the delta quadrant
And then came the borg
Any possibility to do an index on the Cavalli?...On the topic of things that have come back from the dead.
Hmm may be tricky but a Video Lore of the Hurq.
At least, they have cool helmets and artillery.
were can i dind the comunity tab
I hope these guys turn out to be the main bad guys in Star Trek: Prodigy. This would give Hologram Janeway a painful emotional connection to the Protostar’s crew as the Vaadwaur is most likely the reason for the crew’s miserable childhoods and imprisonment on the mining world of the pilot episode.
Cardassians but an extra side order of 'Utter Bastard!'
How does Star Trek Online explain using species from the Delta Quadrant? Do they say that a wormhole to the Delta quadrant was found or something?
I would think the crew of the Voyager would have provided the means especially the transwarp technology to reach the Delta quadrant due to the multiple decade long time skip up until 2409
Pretty much, it's a bit of a long story but to be brief an ancient iconian Gateway was found on the new Romulus colony, which, lead to a Dyson sphere on the borders between the Alpha and delta quadrants.
While the alpha quadrant Alliance was attempting to secure this sphere from the voth (long story), a second gateway was found, this led to a second Dyson sphere deep in the Delta quadrant which led to the alliance establishing a foothold in the Delta quadrant to make new Alliances and overall case the joint.
Getting deep into the story now but the primary motivation of the alliance is the Threat of... a shadowy old enemy, which has actually been the benefactor of the vads.
STOs storyline is absolutely bonkers but I love it.
Only a 1000 year nap? these boys ain't got shit on the necrons
how many times would they have to greet you with a smile only to betray you before you greeted them with the Vulcan hello?
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I 💗 Ric🖖
Tbh, they look more like shock troops from ww1, especially with the masks.
At around 2:35 you say that the Vaadwaur Empire lasted for around 900 years, but the timeline you then put up goes from 584 BCE to 1484 CE, which is a period of around 2,067 years.
I think they were in stasis for 900 years.
@@histguy101 They were, but that just compounds the problem in the video.
Vulcans
I wonder if the Vaadwaur are the reason the Hirogen became nomads.
I would love if Star Trek had a villainous species that preferred cheery colors rather than the constant invoking of "enemy" real world cultures and drab browns. Or why not a colorblind species that was jovial as all get out but fine with greys and muddy browns?
A colour blind villain race who think they're wearing muted colours, but are actually wearing magenta and aqua battle gear.
Vorta?
i'm just here to see if anybody seeks jamaharon
Do the andorians pink skin
👍
I think STO got it mostly right. I also believe that real trek would have a break away faction that wanted a peaceful future and that Starfleet would support that faction in some way. Nu-trek would have Starfleet betray everyone involved for flimsy, nonsensical reason.
Apparently I am just a fan of 'V' species in Star Trek. Vulcan, Voth, & Vaadwaur. Oh also the... Vem'Haddar. V is pronounced with a J ^_^
• 1:10 - I've always thought the Vaadwaur design is too similar to that of Cardassians. Sometimes designers are lazy. ¬_¬
• 5:28 - They're more like the Eurondans from _Stargate SG-1_ . There's a lot of aspects in common between the _Voyager_ episode "Dragon's Teeth" and the _Stargate_ episode "The Other Side". The waking up from stasis, the being under attack, the xenophobia/superiority-complex, the advanced technology… 🤔
The Kazon are dollar store Klingons and the Vaadwaur are dollar store Cardassians.
Who are the benefactors?
i swear i recognize gauls voice actor from somewhere but i cant remember where
oh thats why... its liam O'brian
Yes, it is, I didn't know at the time! Vaxwaur.
St Voyager's cardassians
They look quite similar to some cardassians.
Vulcan
This video title just reminds me of Nardwuar the Human Serviette.
Are the Vaadwaur descended from the Rakata ? They sound little - if at all - better than them 😡🤢🤢🤢🥵🥵
A fanfic to relate them is needed.
😀
I love the mythological reference in the episode title Dragon’s Teeth. Jesus Christ be with you friends.😊
Fighter, 70 meters, single pilot...what?
These are my kind of enemy. They are ugly to look at, give plenty of excuses to kill every single one of them and have no redeeming qualities to make other people defend them.
Having played through the STO Vaadwaur/Kobali story arc, the Vaadwaur need a different arc, because you're not supposed to side with the Space Nazis.....but there is absolutely no way to hold Starfleet in anything but utter contempt for their actions. The Vaadwaur may be bad guys, but that arc went way too far.
Finally glad that you're not using non canon such as the source known as beta content
They remind me of Cardassians.
Third
Dealing with Vaadwaur: A case of pro-genocide making sense.
Andorians are the best
"Orient-tated"? lol...