I like that Prodigy S2 gives us a reason exactly why Time Travel technology was so thoroughly outlawed that the Galaxy-spanning cataclysm of The Burn was still considered preferable to using it. I imagine the Temporal War ended with the Loom nearly erasing everything and the timeline remains vulnerable enough that anything could set them off again.
For those of you who still need to scratch that “Temporal Hot War” itch, I highly recommend the fanfic “The Last Great Time War” (link available on its TVTropes page?) which beautifully depicts the horrors of rewriting timelines & reliving battles on such a massive scale.
I think they learned their lesson about messing with Voyager after she dismantled the Borg in a single afternoon after teaming up with her past self and repeatedly made anyone who interacted with her have a psychotic break due to her casual disregard for temporal stability. I could see anyone who points temporal scanners at Krenim territory just saying "No... Just no." then immediately handing in a resignation rather than touch that.
One of the great things about time travel in stories is they can tell stories of the same era many different ways and just say this or that event was changed to get a totally different outcome!
@@Engulfedorb06 I think Quark said "Cloying" as the definition of Cloy is "To cause distaste or disgust by supplying with too much of something originally pleasant, especially something rich or sweet; surfeit."
8:45 I was under the impression that the timeline that had Khan as a child when he should have already been shot into space on the Botany Bay was a new timeline. Like how when the Narada went back and changed things, it was a new timeline, not a new canon
But key points in time have to happen, Star Trek Prodigy explains this. Khan still went up into space. Between the distance and time of deep Space and asleep, all that would be needed is a Traveler and their Agents keep an eye on Khan's ship and Kirk's ship and guide events to meet at the right time. Or the 29th century time agents can monitor this event, too. I bet more on Travelers assigning Agents to watch Khan and Kirk around the right time period to ensure a meeting.
@rumham8741 I think the original airing of TOS is the original timeline, the remastered TOS is the alternative timeline inclined with Discovery and SNW
So, from what you're both saying, whether the "original Prime" and "post SNW Prime" are different is irrelevant as long as the major points are hit. Like, the Original Series is the what should have happened, but that all still happens the same way because the real points of things like Khan's exile still happened. Archer still captains the NX-01, and nothing is changed by the events of Star Trek First Contact because when he met the Borg he didn't learn their name. I see. I've been looking at this from the perspective of "change something, change everything" (Too much Ninjago), but in the Trek universe, Starfleet has learned that changes are okay as long as the main points are hit. The Kelvin Universe was set to end similarly to the Prime even though it didn't start off exactly the same, but the Narada Incursion is what set it apart for good. They had to send someone back (Being La'an in Strange New Worlds) because someone had been changing the "core events" as it were, and it would have to be rectified. Kelvin was already a somewhat seperate timeline, the Prime Timeline never saw a reason to go and fix it, and by the time the Kelvin Universe got its own "Timefleet", the big stuff was already changed to get to that point so it never needed changing back. Would this be correct?
I'm unsure how we're using "Timeline" and "Universe" here. A different Universe, would be the Mirror Universe. It never properly converged with the Prime Timeline. It's a parallel universe because it runs parallel in equal and opposite events. Vulcans and humans meet peacefully in the Prime, instead the humans gun them down in the Mirror. The Kelvin Timeline is a different timeline because most of the events are similar. A different uniform here, bigger ships there, but the "Core Points" were there. It only properly diverged when the Prime Timeline got involved with the Narada and Spock. Or how when Harry Kim went back in time after screwing up the calculations for slipstream drive, that would be a new timeline branching off the Prime. "Timefleet" gets involved with timelines, not universes. God this is really interesting.
@AmelityshTV yes, correct! The 29th century Timefleet and Wesley Crusher-The Travellers and their Agents would keep an eye on events. The Travellers can go between dimensions as well and visited the Kelvin. Plus they assign Agents on certain time periods to watch over certain people. Like the 1960s Agent watched the moon landing An Agent watched over Picard's great grandmother as an astronaut And Wesley Crusher recruited a new Agent after season 2
Part of me wants to see a (mini?)series centering on a timeship as it travels across the various eras (& alternate timelines) of the Trek universe. It’d be a great way to revisit fan-favorite eras/moments while also creating wacky crossover battles that can safely be “restored to normal” by episode’s end. But considering how complicated time travel plots already are in standalone episodes, having an entire series focusing on it would likely be very difficult unless it was carefully planned from beginning to end. 😅
Contrary to popular opinion, I loved Enterprise's time-related episodes (minus the one Archer goes through time even though it is stated several times its impossible to do so without severe consequenses for the traveller). They were mostly done well and our characters were actually responsible enough to *avoid* using future tech, but smart enough to keep it around just in case any temporal agents came to finish the job.
what if the event known as "the burn" was actually a faction in the temporal wars actually attacking multiple factions at once? Like, they see it as a way to disarm multiple factions and let their people live in peace (while many others suffer). This leads to events where the exploration arm eventually breach the "cosmic barrier" around the galaxy 'to early' and leads to the destruction of the galactic union through unseen enemies. Basically a small-enough faction that went undetected attacked a certain point in time BEFORE they could be detected by the bigger powers, thus causing an even LARGER problem
That is one of the problems with making certain that the timeline has not been changed and to change things back if someone does make changes. First, you would need to have an extremely detail record of time and pretty much what everyone in existence did in the unaltered timeline. Second, you would need to have that record stored outside of time so that it could not be affected by any changes in the timeline so a constant comparison with what was recorded to what is happening can be made and know when and where and hopefully who caused any changes. Third, all of the vessels and equipment and personnel would have to be shielded from any effects that a change in the timeline that happened so they would not have themselves or their memories affected by any changes when they go out to make corrections as well as the changes they make to correct the timeline. Basically, a timefleet would have to spend an eternity outside of time while observing and interacting with what is happening inside of time.
As much hate as Discovery gets, I'm glad it spent its last 3 seasons in the 31st century. Some of the ideas they touched on and the galaxy being more wild west due to dwindling resources were interesting concepts. Shame about the writing and some (though not all) of the acting though.
Some of the acting was good. All of the directing was bad. We don't give bad directors enough shit. Also they took all the wrong lessons from DS9 and made everyone a meanspirited bad guy rather than troubled flawed and complex.
@@qdllc I'm one of the people who still say they fucked up even with the jump into the future. The handwaving away of canon events and technologies of FTL for tha sake of "No, you can't go faster than light anymore, unless you have Dilithium." so the main ship has a higher plot value. But it was certainly the better choice besides opening yet another timeline.
8:42 I didn’t notice that the first time. So that’s how they’re handling the actual timeline, not matching with Star Trek timeline due to time. They’re doing a terminator.
And the words of Janeway, my advice about making sense of temporal mechanics is don't even try. That's a paraphrase because I don't remember the exact wording but it's close
oh this is getting good up there with the dead sea area in chrono cross a huge merging of time altered realities all merged together which looked so wicked then it's destruction to bring forth a 2400 A.D. Sea of Eden, instead of the 2300A.D. in the Dead Sea, this temporal war just got hot.
Just remember, time-fleet would never change events that led to its own creation. EG: At the moment of Timefleet's creation, whatever they consider "cannon history" is the one they consider set in stone, even if that includes temporal manipulation already. So of course they wouldn't interfere with the voyager time contamination, that is their own personal history. This includes their own interference in these events. They would close any loops, not change anything. They would know of the mobile emitter being left in the past, so they would leave it in the past when they came to interfere in those events.
I suspect the Timefleet is technically fully independent of Starfleet. Being originally made up of Romulan, Starfleet, and Klingon agencies, it likely recruits from all 3. But I imagine that Starfleet has a good deal of influence, because Starfleet is the most likely to have good potential recruits, given their scientific over military focus. I would say that we only really see Federation agents of Timefleet, and come to a conclusion from there, but we also only see the Timefleet through the Federation's eyes, and it seems likely that they're assigning compatible agents for the comfort of those they are interacting with.
The 27th and 28th were a war with machines from outside the galaxy. Where Control ai from the 23rd century was corrupted from a wormhole connecting both 23rd and 28th centuries. That war between Starfleet and the machines could've been connected to the machines in Picard season 1 that finally came into our galaxy. Note: Mass Effect sort-of matches the same timeline as the Starfleet vs machines war time period
Although I'm not a fan of discovery it would have been interesting for them to have gone to this time period, since the show is considered canon it would have been cool continue what voyager started, plus those uniforms are amazing
@PhilipKerry to me the show tried to hard to look cinematic that it got in the way of just good storytelling, I had the same issue with Picard as well, I don't want to feel like I'm watching a movie every week, that's where the Orville really shines as it looks and feels more like '90s trek then new trek does.
@@PhilipKerry I took little issue with Discovery or Picard being a movie every week... but the bridge designs were awful with far too many accent lights and not enough light everywhere else, the writing was... unpleasant... and, with Discovery especially, I didn't like any of the characters. None of them felt like Starfleet officers except for Pike. Strange New Worlds is... somewhat better, they sometimes feel like Starfleet officers, but the shaky cam and the lighting effects are still off for me. They would have done well to take notes from TNG and Voyager on set design.
like the quantum combine from Dr. Gieger in the last season of Sliders used his device to merge people with their alternates this agency has a way more advanced version and if they had Jumba Jookibas Paradox inhibiter like in Stitch the series Jumbas time surfboard has they would be perfect.
It could be that the mobile emitter was an element of a temporal causality loop. He leads to be rude to see leads to a. Somebody invented the mobile admit her and then dies and didn't leave notes so nobody can duplicate it. It travels back in time to the 24th century where it's equipped by the doctor and used and then when they return back to the alpha quadrant it is studied, And probably either unable to be duplicated or duplicated with limited success as you indicated for hundreds of years, until that inventor figure it out and creates a working one, but again only one, and again dies and nobody can duplicate it and temporary cause loop is complete. Obviously somewhere down that loop would have to get a hold of it and then the guy I can't remember his name in future and the business owner dude and then the doctor and it's clear hill the last two got it but not clear how Braxton got it, but in my head canon these explanations make perfect sense.
In the 29th century the federation has shifted from peacekeeper to timekeepers what you are saying. So the Accords were only made possible by the total eradication of a entire society, that's a sketchy reason for doing something positive when it could be undone at any given time but wasn't.
Which is the point that many made leading to the Temporal Cold Wars. Sympathetic reasons were aplenty and it would make an interesting setting to really tackle these sorts of issues I think.
Ugh. Still annoyed that they retconned the Eugenics Wars and the idiotic, braindead defence of this with the old argument of "well we're past the 90s and those wars didn't happen." It's a fictional setting. If you keep revising its history every time we pass time periods that history takes place, then what meaning does ANY of that backstory have?
Just Kirk and Janeway between them abused time travel to benefit their own goals enough that this would have been one of the major provocations of the Temporal Wars.
Would have been a cool episode of the temporal investigation showing up and stopping Voyager from abusing some tech or temporal anomaly, because that was not supposed to happen and would have changed the timeline. Similar to bringing Riker to the Voyager for a short time.
Not to mention Spock has invented a time travel formula which can be used for any star ship and any sufficiently massive body. We know this cause they time travel with both the Enterprise and the Bounty so for all we know, Starfleet found the formula in the Bounty once they fished it out of the San Francisco Bay.
Starfleet in the 29th century did not concoct the department of Temporal investigations. It existed long before that. Refer to Star Trek deep space nine trials and tribble-ations. If we're talking about apocryphal content it was even before that.
If the multi-verse is a thing, how do you know what 'time line' is the "True' one. at that point, it is more of a POV and well when your dealing with Infnity it gets messy.
I think an reason for why the potsable holo emitter was deemed ok for that timeline to have is it has rushed hologram and even machine rights. Like if the Founding father got hands on something that made them all agree to out law slavery and give voting rights to all citizens 13 and over in their constution and admenmets... As while one could argue the effects in our timeline of their choice were in the end a nassercay thing... It can also be argued the pain caused was unneeded and the US would be better off with the effects of slavery and exclusive voting rights.
The Burn is the single worst thing they've ever done to Trek. Thankfully we have alternate timelines where this never happened, nor did JJ Abomination.
@jaklinhyde Strong disagree. Godlike beings capable of transporting ships across space &/or time have been in Trek from the very beginning, so Voyager’s inciting incident is nothing new. Plus having its events be in an isolated part of the galaxy means you can safely ignore everything that happened from your headcanon (except when Votager returns, that’s a bit hard to ignore). Not saying that you’re not allowed to hate Voyager, just that it’s _FAR_ from “the biggest worst thing” to happen to Trek.
Presumably after time travel was banned, most travellers to the future got blocked? So they couldn't learn about what was coming. (I dunno why people keep bringing up Spock's sister as if he didn't ALREADY have a secret half-brother. The man is secretive about his family.)
The whole time travel thing just kills Star Trek for me. I hate and I wish it had never been introduced to the genre…save a random…INCREDIBLY RARE encounter. Whole ships? Whole divisions? Just crap imho.
I wish they had carried over & advanced the 29th century art style in Discovery instead of floating shaped. It feels like this era has been thrown under a bus.
It never ceases to annoy me that Trek won't go to the 29th century and have a show take place in it. So many possibilities and will give Trek a much needed breath of fresh air.
i dont see a lot of ships that may be studyied deep space 9 worm hole and can uze warp drive what not and worm hole to travel .... so you would have a warp ship .... tranz warp ship .... worm hole ship .... tim shft ship
I'm so tired of time travel. Its so overdone in Star Trek that actual space exploration is kind of pointless, and if it is in fact so common, there is no point in trying to regulate it, because you'd be entering a recursive situation where somebody makes a change and then someone else goes back to fix it until the heat-death of the universe. It's exhausting to think about and frustrating that Star Trek writers expect us not to.
Yeah. I understand why writers of TOS wrote some time travel episodes (to tap into popular ideas) but they opened a Pandora's box that enabled deus ex machina solutions galore and lazy writing. The only way things could have been reined in was essentially making time travel as something done by aliens that were essentially godlike (like Q or the Guardian of Forever). It should have been made practically impossible.
To me, all this posturing about preserving time is just them covering their ass as they try to make the timeline benefit their side with as little interference as possible.
As much as I am loathe to defend Discovery, I can at least see any kind of temporal agency working much like an intelligence agency in that they are only given information they need to know at one time. And that is rarely information from their relative future. Due to the contamination of the timeline that can cause.
"The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible."
The Time Travel Fleet ( Good keep thinking that ) lol.
What a bunch of nerds.
@@GoNo117
Us or the Vulcan science directorate??
@@jaklinhyde Vulcans
@@GoNo117
lol right they are a bunch of nerds 😝🖖🏽🤟🏽
dang, last time I was this early the temporal authority sent me a cease and desist letter
Nice one!
29th TIC: ok, just here to fix the temporal issue, here we g-
31st TC: ahem, excuse me *I’m* here to fix this one
I like that Prodigy S2 gives us a reason exactly why Time Travel technology was so thoroughly outlawed that the Galaxy-spanning cataclysm of The Burn was still considered preferable to using it. I imagine the Temporal War ended with the Loom nearly erasing everything and the timeline remains vulnerable enough that anything could set them off again.
For those of you who still need to scratch that “Temporal Hot War” itch, I highly recommend the fanfic “The Last Great Time War” (link available on its TVTropes page?) which beautifully depicts the horrors of rewriting timelines & reliving battles on such a massive scale.
These guys are the reason the Bell Riots didn't happen back in September.
It may just be postponed... maybe a precursor to WWIII
On the flip side, they are the reason America doesnt have massive poverty camps.
The only thing scarier than temporal borg... are temporal lawyers.
Admiral Janeway: what time police.
She sent them the way of Tuvix and The Wife
I think they learned their lesson about messing with Voyager after she dismantled the Borg in a single afternoon after teaming up with her past self and repeatedly made anyone who interacted with her have a psychotic break due to her casual disregard for temporal stability. I could see anyone who points temporal scanners at Krenim territory just saying "No... Just no." then immediately handing in a resignation rather than touch that.
@@KertaDrake Perfectly summs up Janeway's non-interaction with chrono cops.
I was always fascinated by the 29th century Starfleet!
One of the great things about time travel in stories is they can tell stories of the same era many different ways and just say this or that event was changed to get a totally different outcome!
Time is fluid. Like Root Beer!
Eww root beer
Eww, regurgitated beans.
pardon?
“It’s so bubbly and coy.”
@@Engulfedorb06 I think Quark said "Cloying" as the definition of Cloy is "To cause distaste or disgust by supplying with too much of something originally pleasant, especially something rich or sweet; surfeit."
8:45 I was under the impression that the timeline that had Khan as a child when he should have already been shot into space on the Botany Bay was a new timeline. Like how when the Narada went back and changed things, it was a new timeline, not a new canon
But key points in time have to happen, Star Trek Prodigy explains this.
Khan still went up into space.
Between the distance and time of deep Space and asleep, all that would be needed is a Traveler and their Agents keep an eye on Khan's ship and Kirk's ship and guide events to meet at the right time.
Or the 29th century time agents can monitor this event, too. I bet more on Travelers assigning Agents to watch Khan and Kirk around the right time period to ensure a meeting.
@rumham8741 I think the original airing of TOS is the original timeline, the remastered TOS is the alternative timeline inclined with Discovery and SNW
So, from what you're both saying, whether the "original Prime" and "post SNW Prime" are different is irrelevant as long as the major points are hit. Like, the Original Series is the what should have happened, but that all still happens the same way because the real points of things like Khan's exile still happened. Archer still captains the NX-01, and nothing is changed by the events of Star Trek First Contact because when he met the Borg he didn't learn their name.
I see. I've been looking at this from the perspective of "change something, change everything" (Too much Ninjago), but in the Trek universe, Starfleet has learned that changes are okay as long as the main points are hit.
The Kelvin Universe was set to end similarly to the Prime even though it didn't start off exactly the same, but the Narada Incursion is what set it apart for good.
They had to send someone back (Being La'an in Strange New Worlds) because someone had been changing the "core events" as it were, and it would have to be rectified.
Kelvin was already a somewhat seperate timeline, the Prime Timeline never saw a reason to go and fix it, and by the time the Kelvin Universe got its own "Timefleet", the big stuff was already changed to get to that point so it never needed changing back.
Would this be correct?
I'm unsure how we're using "Timeline" and "Universe" here. A different Universe, would be the Mirror Universe. It never properly converged with the Prime Timeline. It's a parallel universe because it runs parallel in equal and opposite events. Vulcans and humans meet peacefully in the Prime, instead the humans gun them down in the Mirror.
The Kelvin Timeline is a different timeline because most of the events are similar. A different uniform here, bigger ships there, but the "Core Points" were there. It only properly diverged when the Prime Timeline got involved with the Narada and Spock.
Or how when Harry Kim went back in time after screwing up the calculations for slipstream drive, that would be a new timeline branching off the Prime.
"Timefleet" gets involved with timelines, not universes.
God this is really interesting.
@AmelityshTV yes, correct! The 29th century Timefleet and Wesley Crusher-The Travellers and their Agents would keep an eye on events.
The Travellers can go between dimensions as well and visited the Kelvin. Plus they assign Agents on certain time periods to watch over certain people.
Like the 1960s Agent watched the moon landing
An Agent watched over Picard's great grandmother as an astronaut
And Wesley Crusher recruited a new Agent after season 2
Remember that temporal transporter re-integration, which a primitive FORM of it, was in a TOS episode.
Additionally I think we can consider the Mobile Emitter a case similar to giving the formula for transparent aluminum.
Also the timeline changed during TNG because the Klingon Empire had previously joined the federation. But then it was just a peace treaty..
I am gonna stop now cause temporal bullshit is one of my things and I could go on forever.. heh forever.
@@mattatobin Klingon Empire could still join the Federation in the future. Their membership has never been given an exact date.
Part of me wants to see a (mini?)series centering on a timeship as it travels across the various eras (& alternate timelines) of the Trek universe. It’d be a great way to revisit fan-favorite eras/moments while also creating wacky crossover battles that can safely be “restored to normal” by episode’s end.
But considering how complicated time travel plots already are in standalone episodes, having an entire series focusing on it would likely be very difficult unless it was carefully planned from beginning to end. 😅
Contrary to popular opinion, I loved Enterprise's time-related episodes (minus the one Archer goes through time even though it is stated several times its impossible to do so without severe consequenses for the traveller). They were mostly done well and our characters were actually responsible enough to *avoid* using future tech, but smart enough to keep it around just in case any temporal agents came to finish the job.
Rick, I really loved your work as The Door Technician. Easily the most memorable boss of the game.
When Seven was on this ship she was taken to a matter conversion room or something, I’m betting this was the early version of the programmable matter.
Hello Rick, All here!
what if the event known as "the burn" was actually a faction in the temporal wars actually attacking multiple factions at once? Like, they see it as a way to disarm multiple factions and let their people live in peace (while many others suffer). This leads to events where the exploration arm eventually breach the "cosmic barrier" around the galaxy 'to early' and leads to the destruction of the galactic union through unseen enemies.
Basically a small-enough faction that went undetected attacked a certain point in time BEFORE they could be detected by the bigger powers, thus causing an even LARGER problem
Thank you Rick
This really makes me want that Doctor Who / Star Trek crossover even more 🤓
No. Get that woke crap out of here
Temporal mechanics always give me a headache.
Do you need a Doctor 😂😂
"This is no time to talk about time! There's no time!" D. Troi.
Janeway: Oh shit its the time police, Tuvok pretend you were driving! I can't get another strike on my record.
I always look forward to your videos.
That is one of the problems with making certain that the timeline has not been changed and to change things back if someone does make changes.
First, you would need to have an extremely detail record of time and pretty much what everyone in existence did in the unaltered timeline.
Second, you would need to have that record stored outside of time so that it could not be affected by any changes in the timeline so a constant comparison with what was recorded to what is happening can be made and know when and where and hopefully who caused any changes.
Third, all of the vessels and equipment and personnel would have to be shielded from any effects that a change in the timeline that happened so they would not have themselves or their memories affected by any changes when they go out to make corrections as well as the changes they make to correct the timeline.
Basically, a timefleet would have to spend an eternity outside of time while observing and interacting with what is happening inside of time.
You gotta love those 29th century "tridcorders"
As much hate as Discovery gets, I'm glad it spent its last 3 seasons in the 31st century.
Some of the ideas they touched on and the galaxy being more wild west due to dwindling resources were interesting concepts.
Shame about the writing and some (though not all) of the acting though.
Some of the acting was good. All of the directing was bad. We don't give bad directors enough shit. Also they took all the wrong lessons from DS9 and made everyone a meanspirited bad guy rather than troubled flawed and complex.
It was the only way to save the show. The writers pooped all over the original canon. Pushing it into the future eliminated the conflict.
@@qdllc I'm one of the people who still say they fucked up even with the jump into the future. The handwaving away of canon events and technologies of FTL for tha sake of "No, you can't go faster than light anymore, unless you have Dilithium." so the main ship has a higher plot value.
But it was certainly the better choice besides opening yet another timeline.
If you have time travel and trans warp, why not reach another galaxy
The show should NEVER have been made
8:42 I didn’t notice that the first time. So that’s how they’re handling the actual timeline, not matching with Star Trek timeline due to time. They’re doing a terminator.
The only addendum you need, is the immortal words of Miles O'Brien.. "I HATE temporal mechanics"
And the words of Janeway, my advice about making sense of temporal mechanics is don't even try. That's a paraphrase because I don't remember the exact wording but it's close
For the various weapon types, a chunk of that might also be more of something designed for more of blending in/leaving no evidence behind thing
oh this is getting good up there with the dead sea area in chrono cross a huge merging of time altered realities all merged together which looked so wicked then it's destruction to bring forth a 2400 A.D. Sea of Eden, instead of the 2300A.D. in the Dead Sea, this temporal war just got hot.
Yo can you tell me when music is used 4:40 plz
Just remember, time-fleet would never change events that led to its own creation. EG: At the moment of Timefleet's creation, whatever they consider "cannon history" is the one they consider set in stone, even if that includes temporal manipulation already. So of course they wouldn't interfere with the voyager time contamination, that is their own personal history. This includes their own interference in these events. They would close any loops, not change anything. They would know of the mobile emitter being left in the past, so they would leave it in the past when they came to interfere in those events.
It would blow everyone’s mind to know the true state of our tech…
What do you think Star Fleet or Star Trek would react to Star Wars or the force
Good video.
I hate time travel crap.
I suspect the Timefleet is technically fully independent of Starfleet. Being originally made up of Romulan, Starfleet, and Klingon agencies, it likely recruits from all 3. But I imagine that Starfleet has a good deal of influence, because Starfleet is the most likely to have good potential recruits, given their scientific over military focus.
I would say that we only really see Federation agents of Timefleet, and come to a conclusion from there, but we also only see the Timefleet through the Federation's eyes, and it seems likely that they're assigning compatible agents for the comfort of those they are interacting with.
Good.
Even in Star Trek:
Always in motion, the future is.
What was that giant spider at 8:12 about?
"I guess you guys from Temporal Investigations are... Always on time?" 😉
The 27th and 28th were a war with machines from outside the galaxy.
Where Control ai from the 23rd century was corrupted from a wormhole connecting both 23rd and 28th centuries.
That war between Starfleet and the machines could've been connected to the machines in Picard season 1 that finally came into our galaxy.
Note: Mass Effect sort-of matches the same timeline as the Starfleet vs machines war time period
If a Tardis was detected in the 29th Century...
Depending on which calendar you use.😊
Just like an idea of an eccentric being wearing a Bow Tie with his companions chasing River Song through the Federation.
The real prime directive is “Don’t anger The Doctor.”
Although I'm not a fan of discovery it would have been interesting for them to have gone to this time period, since the show is considered canon it would have been cool continue what voyager started, plus those uniforms are amazing
IMHO Discovery was and is the best Trek ever ....
@PhilipKerry to me the show tried to hard to look cinematic that it got in the way of just good storytelling, I had the same issue with Picard as well, I don't want to feel like I'm watching a movie every week, that's where the Orville really shines as it looks and feels more like '90s trek then new trek does.
@@PhilipKerry I took little issue with Discovery or Picard being a movie every week... but the bridge designs were awful with far too many accent lights and not enough light everywhere else, the writing was... unpleasant... and, with Discovery especially, I didn't like any of the characters. None of them felt like Starfleet officers except for Pike. Strange New Worlds is... somewhat better, they sometimes feel like Starfleet officers, but the shaky cam and the lighting effects are still off for me. They would have done well to take notes from TNG and Voyager on set design.
@@PhilipKerry you poor bastard
@@Soul-cry1The Orville is such a good show it’s honestly just a hilarious TNG
You think the timefleet would have been able to do something about the crisis of the 32nd century?
We need a new series after the DS9 period and 500 years later
I asked the Q about all that once. They just said, "No spoilers."
like the quantum combine from Dr. Gieger in the last season of Sliders used his device to merge people with their alternates this agency has a way more advanced version and if they had Jumba Jookibas Paradox inhibiter like in Stitch the series Jumbas time surfboard has they would be perfect.
They were obviously born of starfleet but the reason for their existence would dictate they were completely independent of it.
You've been Rick, but due to some funky time tampering you are no longer Rick, but you will be Rick again. L O L
It wasn't basically a temporal prime directive. It was the temporal prime directive. That's what they called it on the show.
It could be that the mobile emitter was an element of a temporal causality loop. He leads to be rude to see leads to a. Somebody invented the mobile admit her and then dies and didn't leave notes so nobody can duplicate it. It travels back in time to the 24th century where it's equipped by the doctor and used and then when they return back to the alpha quadrant it is studied, And probably either unable to be duplicated or duplicated with limited success as you indicated for hundreds of years, until that inventor figure it out and creates a working one, but again only one, and again dies and nobody can duplicate it and temporary cause loop is complete. Obviously somewhere down that loop would have to get a hold of it and then the guy I can't remember his name in future and the business owner dude and then the doctor and it's clear hill the last two got it but not clear how Braxton got it, but in my head canon these explanations make perfect sense.
What would prevent someone who still could devleop time travel going back in time and getting dilithium? I'm trying to think of ways to address this.
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With the programmable matter, what is to stop an attacker from re-programming it on the fly to destroy you?
In the 29th century the federation has shifted from peacekeeper to timekeepers what you are saying. So the Accords were only made possible by the total eradication of a entire society, that's a sketchy reason for doing something positive when it could be undone at any given time but wasn't.
Which is the point that many made leading to the Temporal Cold Wars. Sympathetic reasons were aplenty and it would make an interesting setting to really tackle these sorts of issues I think.
Ah, the Union you say? I wonder when The Orville crossover will happen. 🤔
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Ugh. Still annoyed that they retconned the Eugenics Wars and the idiotic, braindead defence of this with the old argument of "well we're past the 90s and those wars didn't happen."
It's a fictional setting. If you keep revising its history every time we pass time periods that history takes place, then what meaning does ANY of that backstory have?
Hmm. The temporal 'shuttle' reminds me a lot of the Delta Flyer.
"I'd like to travel, but I don't have the time..." 😅
Just Kirk and Janeway between them abused time travel to benefit their own goals enough that this would have been one of the major provocations of the Temporal Wars.
Would have been a cool episode of the temporal investigation showing up and stopping Voyager from abusing some tech or temporal anomaly, because that was not supposed to happen and would have changed the timeline. Similar to bringing Riker to the Voyager for a short time.
Not to mention Spock has invented a time travel formula which can be used for any star ship and any sufficiently massive body. We know this cause they time travel with both the Enterprise and the Bounty so for all we know, Starfleet found the formula in the Bounty once they fished it out of the San Francisco Bay.
Warp drive was time teaval getting around time dilation of traveling the speed of light. .so jyst a progression of technology
Starfleet in the 29th century did not concoct the department of Temporal investigations. It existed long before that. Refer to Star Trek deep space nine trials and tribble-ations. If we're talking about apocryphal content it was even before that.
Still reeling that Kovich is Agent Daniels.
This is why I didn't have time travel as possible in my own work.
That humanity would be satiated with only the milky way is how you know its fiction.
If the multi-verse is a thing, how do you know what 'time line' is the "True' one.
at that point, it is more of a POV and well when your dealing with Infnity it gets messy.
"Time is a meaningless concept" Lt Corwin Babylon 5
I tried to play trek online. I had to exit game during the tutorial and got stuck :(
I think an reason for why the potsable holo emitter was deemed ok for that timeline to have is it has rushed hologram and even machine rights. Like if the Founding father got hands on something that made them all agree to out law slavery and give voting rights to all citizens 13 and over in their constution and admenmets... As while one could argue the effects in our timeline of their choice were in the end a nassercay thing... It can also be argued the pain caused was unneeded and the US would be better off with the effects of slavery and exclusive voting rights.
I wonder if they'd ever have a multiversal branch of starfleet. Like this one but for dealing with shit like the mirror universe
The Burn is the single worst thing they've ever done to Trek. Thankfully we have alternate timelines where this never happened, nor did JJ Abomination.
No the worst thing was stranding voyager 70,000 light years away from home, that shit was incredibly stupid 😂
@jaklinhyde Strong disagree. Godlike beings capable of transporting ships across space &/or time have been in Trek from the very beginning, so Voyager’s inciting incident is nothing new. Plus having its events be in an isolated part of the galaxy means you can safely ignore everything that happened from your headcanon (except when Votager returns, that’s a bit hard to ignore).
Not saying that you’re not allowed to hate Voyager, just that it’s _FAR_ from “the biggest worst thing” to happen to Trek.
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We dont have time to talk about time. We are out of time.
You'd think with all of this time travel tech, someone would have seen or heard of the burn.
Or that Spock had a human sister.
@1jotun136 possibly. But the Burn is a little bigger of a thing.
Presumably after time travel was banned, most travellers to the future got blocked? So they couldn't learn about what was coming.
(I dunno why people keep bringing up Spock's sister as if he didn't ALREADY have a secret half-brother. The man is secretive about his family.)
I've seen enough Doctor who to know you can't go and change everything. The doctor was the cause of pompeii!
Would be kind of hilarious if that was what set Braxton off the deep end originally and he'd just been too stupid to realize he was in the wrong time.
Wouldn’t time travel allow exploration out side the milky way
Timefleet always seemed to have a very poor understanding of time travel compared with people from their pre time travel past.
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The wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff should've been the cause of the Burn, not a lonely baby. Oh, well.
The whole time travel thing just kills Star Trek for me.
I hate and I wish it had never been introduced to the genre…save a random…INCREDIBLY RARE encounter.
Whole ships?
Whole divisions?
Just crap imho.
I wish they had carried over & advanced the 29th century art style in Discovery instead of floating shaped.
It feels like this era has been thrown under a bus.
Doctor who has entered the chat lol
It never ceases to annoy me that Trek won't go to the 29th century and have a show take place in it. So many possibilities and will give Trek a much needed breath of fresh air.
I have come from the past so I could post "First" in the future.
i dont see a lot of ships that may be studyied deep space 9 worm hole and can uze warp drive what not and worm hole to travel .... so you would have a warp ship .... tranz warp ship .... worm hole ship .... tim shft ship
Tridcorder.
I think this video is a violation of the Temporal Prime Directive
I'm so tired of time travel. Its so overdone in Star Trek that actual space exploration is kind of pointless, and if it is in fact so common, there is no point in trying to regulate it, because you'd be entering a recursive situation where somebody makes a change and then someone else goes back to fix it until the heat-death of the universe. It's exhausting to think about and frustrating that Star Trek writers expect us not to.
Yeah. I understand why writers of TOS wrote some time travel episodes (to tap into popular ideas) but they opened a Pandora's box that enabled deus ex machina solutions galore and lazy writing. The only way things could have been reined in was essentially making time travel as something done by aliens that were essentially godlike (like Q or the Guardian of Forever). It should have been made practically impossible.
I'm my own grandpa.
Unless all galactic civilisation dies because a child throws a tantrum. Then time travel is suddenly off limits
Time travel is easily the laziest trope in entertainment.
To me, all this posturing about preserving time is just them covering their ass as they try to make the timeline benefit their side with as little interference as possible.
"The burn" is so stupid.
I don't mind the event as a bit of a reset to reign in the crazy tech we'd see in that era a little. However the actual cause was... not great.
What do we want?
Time Travel
When do we want it?
It’s irrelevant!
Time Travel was a mistake. It made me hate the future.
just please, please ignore what ever that discovery crap is. let it remain and have gotten lost.
If I was a showrunner or producer or whatever, my first act would be to tell the writers to not submit any time travel stories.
For people who monitor time ,there sure didn’t know about Discovery or the burn . . .
As much as I am loathe to defend Discovery, I can at least see any kind of temporal agency working much like an intelligence agency in that they are only given information they need to know at one time. And that is rarely information from their relative future. Due to the contamination of the timeline that can cause.
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It’s ok to defend discovery don’t be shy
I thought temporal agents were only supposed to observe not interfere
@@jaklinhyde also, Doctor Who has the concept of fixed moments in Time that can't be changed
@@jaklinhyde I think that the Temporal Wars changed all that. Not to mention Voyager’s experiences with the Krenim Imperium.