JEM'HADAR: Cultural Index
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ม.ค. 2020
- The Dominion wouldn't be half as powerful if it weren't for its imposing military. It's strength lies in its rapid production of powerful vessels and more importantly, rapid production of troops. The Jem'Hadar.
Under the complete control of the Vorta and the Founders, this species has only one purpose. Victory.
For them, it is life.
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"I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. I am very much alive, and I intend to stay that way."
Best quote in DS9.
"I tore my pants!"
Sisko: Amen
A nice clash of cultures in this scene and while pinpointing the difference, by mimicing the ritual he still showed a Form of respect in some way. Very nice speech of our chief.
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"and this is my favourite store on the promonad"
Dax: "how old are you?"
Jem'Hadar: *Proudly* "I am 8"
Dax: "...I would have guessed 15"
Jem'Hadar: "15? few live that long, if we live to 20 we become honoured elders"
Jem'Hadar: "..how old are you?"
Dax: "I stopped counting at 300"
Jem'Hadar: *shocked pikachu face*
One of my favourite scenes in DS9 :')
To be fair Trill cheat by switching bodies.
What episode I cant find it in TH-cam
@Rob Powell But he's Human that's all him and medical advancements...No damned symbiont.
"300? you don't look it"
I loved that scene...Alien vs. Alien.
The Jem'Hadar are my favorite bad guys. They suffer from the same situation as the Clone Troopers in Star Wars. No knowledge of their past and no hope for a future except to fight and die in wars that are not their own. A truly tragic race.
Unfortunately the jem’hadar don’t to Order 66 the founders or even in some cases like captain Rex, resist and have an actual life.
@@JeanLucCaptain there was that one captain who killed his vorta then his own men so they wouldn’t go insane once he knew there was no white left
@@theomnissiah-9120 ok that's kinda my point he had no choice but to kill his men. NO WAY OUT.
If they don't see it as tragic how can it be tragic.
@@elliotyourarobot Because they are genetically unable to realize what's been done to them.
He does not have to EARN my respect. He has HAD it, from the moment I was conceived. I am a Jem’Hadar, HE is a Vorta. It is the order of things.
And do you really wish to give up your life for the “order of things?”
It was not my life to give, commander. It never was.
Yeah but as soon as a Vorta questions the honor/motives of a First, it got vaporized and the JEM'HADAR is all, he should not have questioned me. Ouch, burn!
@@mteige well, to be fair, Keivan never questioned their loyalty. Not ever for a moment.
@@iBloodxHunter better yet, he actually depended on it to extreme.... in a way...
@@iBloodxHunter and that's how he could force them all to pointlessly throw their lives away. I don't know about you, but I'm GLAD Kevan got got the way he did.
I think the Jem'Hadar were made from the Tosk alien that came from the Gamma Quadrant. He was genetically made as well. It wouldn't be much effort for the Founders to find out the process and make the alterations to make their soldiers.
Valid.
I just assumed the Tosk and the hunters were members of the Dominion and the Jem'Hadar were just reptilian like them. I thought that perhaps the gamma quadrant favored reptiles rather the mammals. But after I saw the episode where quark purchased the birthing chamber, I thought just as you did
Star Trek Online has done some work expanding on experiments The Founders carried out over the years; Creating the Voorta from a tree dwelling species, finding and enslaving the Hur'q, Creating the Fek'Ihri and modeling them after Klingon Spiritual Beliefs to make the Klingons fear them.
But of course the only detail we get about the Jem'Hadar is a Stardate for when they were first considered a finished project. "7903.01 Dominion Reckoning"
The jem'hedar were not clines but genetically engineers. There ia a difference
@@rodniegsm1575I see what you did there
I’d love to see some Stargate races on the Cultural index. The Wraith, the Gou’ald, the Asgard, etc.
They have long reaching empires and societies and would make for very interesting viewing as subjects of the series.
The personal eyescreens also allowed for the elimination of a structural weak point(windows and viewport). Actually kind of liked that element as it is rarely addressed in sci-fi.
The view screen was never a window in star trek. It was just a large holographic display.
Them being windows is a new thing.
@@EddBlackheart Blame Discovery
@@layersofpoliticaljokes5337 No the JJ trek did it first. Discovery just rolled with it.
Oh *blyat* i actually forgot about that, sorry m8
@@EddBlackheart That was only true for certain larger ships and the intrepid, but the Sovereign class had a view screen viewport hybrid hence the helmsman being blown out into space in Nemesis. Most smaller vessels also had window viewports as did the old legacy ships many of which were still in service even during the Dominion War
Another great index, I think the idea of trying to create the "perfect soldier race" is fascinating, the Founders went a pretty twisted but arguably effective route.
A klingon fights for the honor of the Empire, their house, and themselves. Jem'hadar fight simply to win battle after battle for their gods/slave masters.
The episode where a Jem'Hadar was independent of Ketracel calls that into at least partial question. "You are surprised that a soldier would want more than the life of a slave?"
Then, of course, the Vor'Ta would certainly agree with you. "You fight because it is what you were DESIGNED to do," one says to a Jem'Hadar first when comparing them to Klingons.
sooooo... like the Imperial Guard? FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
Technically there is no difference.
@@captaindiaper2210 😂 DEATH KORPS OF JEM'HADAR!
@@rharris4736 Clonetroopers: THAT'S WHAT ORDER 66 IS FOR MATE
Would love to see the Jem'hader go against Species 8472 and to see whose the "last man is?"
I'd say species 8472 or the Undine as there other name in story Arc. would likely win a one on one fight. given there incredible Regeneration and natural resistance to most energy weapons. plus there scratch alone can cripple most biological species. The Undine/8472 truly is a species of power and wonder even when they can blow up planets with little effort.
How about against sontarans
8472
@Chris Yes Janeway does have this rather annoying "survivability" factor that always surrounds her. 😂
8472 definitely
Jem'Hadar, "I am dead. As of this moment we are all dead."
Vorta, "I'm not dead yet. I'm getting better."
Jem'Hadar, "No you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment."
Vorta:....we'll see who's dead at the end of this
VORTA: ITS TREASON THEN!
I think I'll go for a walk later!
@@vsgfilmgroup KLINGONS: YOU'RE NOT GETTING BETTER P'TAK!!!
@@JeanLucCaptain Jem'Hadar "The Founders tell me I feel happy!"
I think that with all the genetic modification you would think that the Founders would engineer a builder or construction race to make their cities and ships. Maybe we just haven't explored enough of Dominion space to find them
I think the Vorta do that. Most construction would be automated, so you could have Vorta engineers and scientists.
In fact Vorta scientists were referenced in one of the last episodes.
You also have all of the members of the Dominion. They seem to have a lot of autonomy.
I was wondering who the scientist and engineers of Dominion are. Clearly not the Jem'hadar or Vorta.
@@MandalorV7 the vorta do that I think
@@pnorbert2222I think Weyoun was lying to Dukat in that scene in order to get into his head.
I loved seeing their comparisons and interactions with Klingons.
i really enjoyed when worf fought that jem hadar and he showed honor by recognizing and respecting worfs warrior spirit when he refused to yeild the fight… and then he was immediately shot and killed. too bad id love to see that jem hadar make a recurrence
Somehow the whole idea reminds me of a samuri jack episode about archers that used a magic well to become great warriors but were mindless and sightless.
Great episode, just wishing you would of talked about he differences between the Gemma and Alpha Jem'Hadar
There are basically no differences besides possibly a bit more hubris and autonomy by the Alphas
@@jonsnowight9510 Well, I realize the Pocketbooks series was not canon, but in it they developed a more independent culture and broke away from the Dominion. If I'm not mistaken, they formed a fast alliance with the Klingon Empire (and may have even become a member world, complete with an advisory-only seat on the High Council).
Difference between the 2 was The Jemhadar bred in the Alpha quadrant are simply that born in that side of space bred with training species knowledge to fight the races of the Alpha quadrant. The Gamma are the reverse as they were Bred with combat knowledge to deal with the races of the Gamma quadrant.
Such fabulous antagonists. They were unique and extremely well developed throughout the series arc. DS9 stood well on its own and unlike Voyager, didn't rip off or ruin TNG villains and storylines.
Agreed
The part more else explains the Klingons contempt for them. In their minds, they are not a warriors but machines because they have no deeper purpose to their existence than fighting
The klingons regard them as powerful fighters, the anti thesis of fighting to live instead of the klingon way of fighting honorably till death. But the jem hadar are more kamikaze in their attacks because of their knowledge of their lives are short and can be replaced just as there were different versions of weyoun
However i also believe the highest level klingons whove been through the most victorious battles will regard them hard to defeat, but more or less souless so the victory feels empty
I wouldn't put it past the Dominion to have made the Jam'Hadar what they are as a punishment for being their enemy in the past.
Let's just hope the Borg never get ahold of one!
the way the founders manipulated all these species with genetics and tech remind me of the Reapers in Mass Effect
I always thought the Borg would be Star Trek's equivalent of the reapers
The indoctrination side definitely fits, but Lobster Man is right: the Borg are the closest to the reapers.
They are "better" and don't seek to understand species more than what they learn from their destruction and (in the case of the keepers at least) subjugation.
With the Dominion, you had a chance of peace....if its _their_ peace and *only* their peace... But the reapers gave no quarter.
The Borg give no quarter, either.
Very obscure reference, but the story of Jem Hadar also reminds of og XCom alien races, who were geneticaly and cyberneticaly enhanced for example Mutons, floaters, sectoids etc.
And of the Zentraedi from Robotech/Macross.
Unngoy: when in doubt run away
Laughs in Zentradi.
I think the Unngoy won.
Whoa, he's dead, RUN!! -Unngoy
Am I the only one who, at first, heard "two personal ice creams" at 08:18?
What's interesting is comparing them to *Augments,* which were created with far less advanced technology.
Khan could slaughter one easily, now imagine if humanity hadn't become genetic engineering phobic after WW3, but had advanced the science and worked out the megalomania and increased aggression bugs - which were due to a faulty brain transmitter, not being superhuman.
So 21st century human genetic engineering was superior to the Jem'Hadar … (except for that one psychological glitch).
In fact genetically engineered humans were far superior to any other species genetic engineering efforts - just look at Julian Bashir, the stats he had improved (he didn't get everything upgraded, and he was poor starting material, which was the point) made him vastly better than any alien in that area - perfect memory of DNA charts he saw years ago, able to throw a bullseye every time without effort.
[And according to some beta canon, the cloaking ability was a invasive technological implant that only worked when the Jem'Hadar was calm, so they couldn't be cloaked in combat (imagine if a Vulcan had one fitted, or they just learnt Vulcan mental discipline… yeh, no)].
It would probably lead to alot of wars because the aliens would be terrified of us
Joshua Sharwood the animated series?
Try comparing Jem'Hadar to the Neyel (geneticaly enhanced humans that were lost in Small Magellanic Cloud) from the Titan book series.
I think the Jem Hadar doesn’t work in combat is because of how they move. They seem to walk more on the cloak.
I love how the designed their faces. Like predators have forward facing eyes, prey side facing. These guys have such forward facing eyes they almost seem crosseyed
They’re soulless creatures. Fighting for no goal, no purpose except to serve the Founders. They take no pleasure in what they do. Nothing is glorified, nothing is affirmed. To the Jem’Hadar we are nothing more than… than targets to be destroyed! I must not let them destroy us!
Not all theyre not.
One yielded to Worf out of honor and was murdered because of it.
Another had a conversation with Dax about how old she was.
@@Tms0211 that jem'hadar was a good man, when ths vorta says that worf fights for "some primitive idea of honour" the first says "that is something you can never understand"
The little speech the Jem'hadar do before battle is something I always picture Gurkhas doing
Victory is Life!
And obedience is victory!
Victory is irrelevant. Resistance is futile.
I play the game Stellaris where you can master genetic engineering. When I do so in game my favorite thing to do is conquer Honor bound warriors and turn them into genetically engineered war monsters stripped of free will. Use the traits very strong, resilient, and nerve stapled to conquer everyone. in one game they happened to also already be cyborgs so they where between the Jem'hadar and the Collectors. Was great.
I've been rewatching DS9 and forgot how intricately evil Kai Winn was. I would love to see a bio of that character here on your channel. I searched but didn't see one, so if I missed it, sorry about that!
She was pure evil
Nitpick: in the series finale, Ma Changeling says the Jem'Hadar had been the Dominion's "first line of defense" for "two millennia."
Also, you swapped the battlecruiser and battleship :). Otherwise, great series! I subscribed.
You're easily the best info giver with you work, wits, humor and effort, out there on youtube in which I find the most entertainment for a index of information that goes just more in debth.
It'd be interesting to see a Jem'hadar team tasked with hostage rescue.
Their is evidence that their is an underground among the Jem'Hadar. Episode "To the death" feature not only Jem'Hadar that actively attack other dominion assets, it's sated by Weyoun that the founders ability to influence the jem'hadar has been overstated, Weyoun's 1st knowing the mission and what has occurred even when the information was mean't to be top secret .
Exactly , The Founders had an unnatural healthy fear ' of Rogue factions of renegade Killing machines that could jump , to anywhere in the Galaxy " and Dominate you on a moment's notice ! .... Yeah I'd be kinda Afraid also .
Here's Romulan - Reman relationship for ya! Proven, fierce Soldiers of The Empire, still, very much aware of own disfranchised position and very cynical about it, yet with sense of loyalty among themselves.
I just thought of the good ol Jem'Hadar and then I clicked onto TH-cam and saw this. Uncanny!!!
Horned faced *Narns!*
I always thought DS9 was heavily influenced by *Babylon 5.*
I feel like I’ve watched every video in the index, Love if you made a video about a few of the humanoid alien species in DC and Marvel comics, thanks for the videos:)
Ds9. ..the dominion. The best time watching this during my childhood 😢
Ds9 is the best ever made
@@chrismaloney2108 I have been going through the series recently.
The Next Generation may have a rocky start but still good nonetheless.
Deep Space Nine however, very good. Season Two has really impressed me.
@@bobo577 it gets better as it goes. Once you get more into the gamma quadrant and the dominion battles and sisko as the emissary
That was fantastic.
I really like these Cultural Indexes.
Looking forward to " The Breen. "
You know, I always like to think the Jem'hadar are like the Roman Legionaries. Tough, Discipline, and almost fanatic to their service; no wonder why they're one of the deadliest soldiers in the galaxy.
The Legionaries also expected to be paid, many revolts among them happened when they weren't.
Awesome vids man love the personal logs on characters and cultural index vids.
I stopped the jem'hadar STO story when they took away my bridge officers for some reason. OP little ship just made me dislike my other ships.
'Our gods never talk to us... and they don't wait for us after death. They only want us to fight for them. And to die for them.' - Goran'agar
YEEES, been waiting for this video
Wow. Thank you, out did yourself this time. Amazing, spot on
What would make a great future Star Trek episode would be the discovery of prime jem hadars. Males and females that escaped and hid from the dominion for centuries and how they would unify with their engineered counterparts and stoping the dominion from trying to kill them.
This was excellent. Thanks!
Ungoy/Grunts!!! All the way even when they run away lolz
Would like see them fight the Hirogen.
Great video!! Keep up the good work!!😁
I am curious to see combat between the Jem'Hadar and Hirogen,
I would trust the word of a Jem'Hadar any day over the word of a Vorta.
I like how the backgrounds of the videos are sometimes The species specific computer interface design :3
They remind me of the covenant from halo with their blind faith
Thank you for the detailed video. One thing that is kind of funny and wasn't addressed too much on the show was how in actuality the Dominion could have been defeated rather easily. Just as troops march on their stomachs, the Jem'Hadar relied on the White which couldn't be replicated. Simply targeting the facilities, and supply chains much like in real war they would have been crushed.
They did address it and acted on it during the war
Damar's plan to poison the last supply of white if they could start new production? Very Cardassian.
You should look into the different Votan races from the Defiance universe. There are 8 species from the same star system, in which 6 came together to save their species from a cosmic collision that destroyed their native star system and forced the survivors to travel to Earth.
Clone Trooper vs Jem'Hadar.
*Sits back eating popcorn watching the galaxy burn*
Sardaukur troopers from Duneiverse would anihilate them all by the tens of billions... but then theres the chaos marines.
I typically get a lot of grief for saying this but DS9 is my favorite star trek series. I love the nostalgia of TNG and I appreciate the way Voyager expanded on the Star Trek universe as we know it
but there's something about the story of DS9, the Dominion War, the idea of the Federation facing an enemy that (at least in my personal opinion) rivals even the Borg in their ferocity and ability to bring the Federation practically to its knees that just hits different
For the original series and TNG, we are led to see the Federation as this galactic bulwark that, despite the strength of both the Romulan and Klingons, remained rather untouched by the military might of both those factions
So, in my eyes, it was cool to see the Federation face an enemy that pushed them back so far that we actually get to see admirals on-screen openly talking about how Starfleet is on the brink of capitulating and surrendering to the Dominion
"...so no other could question orders as they did not have the full picture of events..."
This is something I've been questioning for a long time, not just in Star Trek but everywhere.
Those who are working with the least amount of information have the most reason to question their orders. Not sure why anyone would see it differently.
I love the Star Trek Index.....Can you do The Breen, Talaxians, and Bolians at some point...?
I prefer the theory that the Jem'hadar are the species that was hunting the Changeling's in the past, for crimes the Changeling's committed against them.
Jem'hadar are more dangerous then the borg. At lasst a Borg can be severed from the collective. It's nearly impossible to break all that Dominion conditioning.
The idea of being "already dead" is a commonly heard thing among real war vets. Many would say the only way to deal with combat is to know you already dead, and that knowledge liberates you to do what needs to be done to win a war. The creators of DS9 obviously took that idea and ran with it in the Jem'Hadar
Jem hadar are intense warrior species.
Earth Augment vs Jem'hadar. Who wins?.
Depends. Is Khan leading the Augments?
Normal humans beat Jem'hadar on many occasions, Augments would wipe the floor with them everytime
Paging Dr. Bashir...
Augments don't die when left on their own for a short time.
@@RRW359 Well, Augments don't die if they don't get their white fix, but Augments left unsupervised for too long could wind up turning on each other out of their own innate "superiority".
hell yeah new video, thank rick
The Dominion Fighters seem more like a corvette or gunship with a crew compliment that big.
That is such a great mantra. I can not believe it came from the writer's room.
I think it's worth mentioning that the Jem'Hadar will become mutinous if the Ketra-cel white isn't provided. This shows a deeper, more base level understanding of who they are as living beings that, when threatened with starvation, their loyalties go out the window.
Watching this before my STO dominion playthrough
Have you done one on the Iconians? They made computer viruses strong enough to, in time, destroy Galaxy-class ships like _USS Yamato_ .
And I gotta say, every time a Vorta perished I was delighted, as I’m sure they were too!
Race recommendation the Vidians. A Delta quadrant race whose whole culture was forced to center around the treatment of a disease that was killing them.
Will you being doing any of these on the Babylon 5 universe?
A series between the Klingon and Jem hadar might be bloody!
basically, the Jem Hadar are imperial clone troopers who can fight and who can actually hit what theyre aiming at.
I always found them fascinating but very tragic. I actually feel sorry for them. In essence, they seem more "slave" like than the Vorta. As an African American, I've always had a level of sympathy for the Jem' Hadar--they do have deep code of ethics as pure warriors (but that level just may have been bred in them). I don't think it was a coincidence that most of the actors that portrayed them were African American or other POC. The producers of DS9 (especially DS9) made many episodes concerning race and racism, and may have been telling something about how the real world treated people who subjected to enslavement either had to "embrace' the belief systems of their enslavers or face obliteration by those same slavers, Great vid!
Interesting point
Avery Brooks even said that the season 3 episode "The Abandoned" was meant to be about how hard it is for inner city gang members to simply exist with the rest of society, that once they are too far in they can't get out, that violence, drugs (ketricel white was an analogy for crack), and sticking with others like that were all they had.
I would love to see a true Jem Hadar empire, one decades or centuries after the fall of the dominion at their hands. They can tell stories of their rise and origin, how the foolish masters sought to control them, how they killed thier gods.
Would be real cool
The Dominion is meant to be a foil to the Federation. The Vorta and Jem'Hadar being genetically engineered slave races is the antithesis of the Prime Directive.
The Federation came out of a combination of human ingenuity, Vulcan practicality, Tellarite diplomacy, and Andorian military might. The Vorta play a similar role to the Tellarites, and the Jem'Hadar to the Andorians.
With the cybermen coming up in series 12 of Doctor Who, I would like to see an index on them please. Also an index on either the Autobots or Decepticons or both combined as the cybertronians would also be an awesome index to see.
What would happen if the Dominion and the Borg meet?
@Zerebrat Eightyseven liquid drones
I'd be curious to see a warhammer 40k video tbh, though, with how many channels already cover this, don't think it'd be a recurring topic.
I don't know where else to put this so I'm going to put it here. In the Voyager episode Retrospect, Janeway is in the mood for some new firepower so Voyager rolls on up to the local arms dealer. They go to the trouble of fitting and test firing an "isokinetic cannon" and everyone is suitably impressed. Shenanigans then ensue and the arms dealer ends up dead, so why does the cannon get removed after the episode ends never to be heard of again. Given the local authorities views on the importance of trade with aliens I find it unlikely that they would have insisted on the cannon being returned. Bonus question, do you think the "memories" of the events that 7 of 9 recovered really happened to her or not? By the end of the episode everyone, 7 included has dismissed them as false but as I recall during his investigation the Doctor did find evidence of a memory block in 7's brain.
Easy to answer your last question. For admin Dominion rullers had Vorta. Once peace and order was established they would simply withdraw the supply of white and maintain only small detachments. If it takes only 3 days to rise a new army why would one bother to supply the enormous demands of large numbers of JemHaddar?
considering the experience and skills that could be gained would a JEM'HADAR trill be theoretically possible?
How exactly does a plasma beam deliver an anticoagulant
How about S.M. Stirling’s infamous “Draka” series next?
Maybe the first Jem Hadar was a bounty hunter who offered his genetic code and training but was later killed and smeared by others so that people would forget
I think this species and the Borg should have never had formal names. It would make them scarier of they could tell them apart, but no one else could. It would also be an advantage in combat by making it more difficult to figure out how many were actually there. The Borg plan simply never needed names or designations.
Might not be a bad existence. Short and brutal but at least there's no question about what their purpose is.
Guess the DS9 writers must have watched Macross but took the idea a bit too far.
@JRPGFan20000 unless it was loud enough to be a sonic weapon
Jem'Hadar,Zentraedi, not that dissimilar....
I like the Jem'Hadar in Star trek online!
These guys, the Cardasians and the Klingons all bleed together. How many slightly different flavors of military aliens do you need?
I always found it odd that both Voyager and DS9 had these purely warrior races. I am curious if there was any genetic ties between the Jem'Hadar and the Hirogen.
"This we do gladly...... because we were genetically engineered to do it gladly!"
They left out that they are extremely curious. That means they search everywhere and everything.
I have a question who would win a Jem'Hadar or a Predator, if it was 1 vs 1, i know they are from different universe but i wonder who is stronger since they have similar ideologies
The viewscreens the Vorta and First use can be used by Cardassians as well but humans and other species get terrible headaches using them
There are two seperate groups of Jem'Hadar, the gammas, born in and from the Gamma quadrant and the Alphas, supposedly bred specifically to deal with the challenges of the Alpha quadrant but the Alphas were evidently deemed too arrogant and too self confident in their own abilities to ever learn from their more experience Gamma brothers and the first batch were all killed off. We never heard of the Alphas again after their one and only experience and it might be the case that they were discontinued after that
Badass dude narrated like an SCP report
At the end of they day I think the only relevant question with the Jem’hedar is: “was it’s worth it?”
When the battle is done they have nothing to go home too, if the Dominion conquered the entire universe and all of the races fell in line then the Jem’hedar would be screwed.