What we know is a drop, knowledge is the ocean ;) But yeah I concentrate on composing and arranging. All these mixing details lead to nothing but time wasting, that NOBODY will hear, except the experts pros and audiophiles.
you'll get there... ive learned so much within the last three years... I never thought I'd make it this far. condensed repetition. it begins to become familiar.
Utter GENIUS! So well explained, which tools to use, when and, for what. Thank you SO very much! Hey, you guys should think about taking this up full-time, like starting an academy or something, I think you “might” be onto something here! 🤔 🤭
Great teaching as always. I was expecting you to mention side chain just like another useful technique to set separation between kick and bass. Thank you for these precious insights!
1:30 I definitely think this is an over simplification. we can definitely perceive differences in pitches less than 6%. microtonal music and even just pitch bends wouldn't exist if this was the case
Guys, I am really considering joining your membership but, please, tell me. Are there private courses, person on person or it is just about having access to some courses that you read alone, you try to apply alone, etc. alone? Is all communication with the teachers done via texting? Because even when listening to your YT videos I have hundreds of questions and there is no one there to answer them for me. In rest, great stuff, thank you for everything.
Great knowledge here! I've always been kinda "scared" of removing a portion of the bass like that, but should i be?? It obviously gets the job done without taking away so much from the bass that it makes the bass sound weak.
Speaking of overtones (at around 4:25), personal opinion: Making a perfect 2-octave overtone could sound like an ideal solution... but does it? Fine, the kick's freq is E1, let's make that E3 the first heard overtone! A learner would say "hell yeah, that's it". Before we jump into conclusions, look at the guitar market where the demand for (deviant) tube amps is greatly higher than the need for (perfect) solid-state amps. The sound of tubes is simply warmer, more appealing, preferable. If we reed the overtone spectrum of solid states, it lifts up 1st, 3rd and 5th overtone (all perfect octaves). On the other end, tubes engage all deviant overtones of 2nd, 4th and 6th (those would be 5th, major 3rd, minor 7th). These are all much 'denser' intervals compared to perfect octaves that cohere in subtle dissonances. But we seem to find these 'deviant' sounds much more appealing than the sterile solid-state sound. So, be careful with math in music. Trust your ears!
Yeah, in the harmonic series, the fundamental is considered to be the first harmonic. The second (an even number) is one octave above (double the frequency) and the third (an odd number) is not the same note as the fundamental. Some people like odd harmonics, others prefer even harmonics. A lot depends on taste and context.
What are, if any, benefits of high pass filter on kick and bass verses just a shelf to achieve both more head room and take away unwanted/ muddy low end frequencies
This is amazing! Thank you for this! Brilliantly explained. I do have a query, though. Kick is going to have a static and fixed fundamental frequency. But if the bass is playing the groove, and it's fundamental keeps changing, doest the same thing apply? As in, if my kick is on E1 which happens to be 41.2 Hz and if the bass hits Eb1 pretty often in the song, which is roughly 38.9 Hz, how is it supposed be processed?
Great question! That comes down to composition. In that instance, it's best to find ways to widen the range of frequencies between the kick and bass - so maybe Eb2 is a better option than Eb1. Otherwise, separating the 2 instruments with processing is incredibly difficult since they're so close in frequency.
One of the best videos why beating f@cks up your low end.....I always shouting at percussion players to tune their instr correc tly!!Also a phase plugin like the SSL helps the low end between kick and bass!!
1:26 Of course, 1.06 is the rounded ratio (which is fine). The exact ratio is 1.05946309. I mean, there's an uppercase "SCIENCE" in the video title. So let's do some math 😄 If you multiply a frequency 12 times with the ratio r, you would get double the frequency. It has to be like that because you would go up 12 semitones, which is an octave by definition, which is double the frequency by definition. So one octave above 440Hz is 880Hz. 440 • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r = 880 440 • r^12 = 880 1 • r^12 = 2 r^12 = 2 r = 12√2 r = 1.05946309
I've always thought that kick should have the same kick as the bass. And then I usually use frequency sidechaining to have a more precise frequency handling
Why not just use a ducker? I always completely duck the bass when the kick is hitting and reducing the length of the kick so that I have the punch from the kick and the tonal information from the bass. I use a ducker (shaperbox volume) to duck the low frequencies (below 100 hz) completely out of the way when the kick is hitting in that range. So these two components perfectly blur together without interfering with each other since kick and sub never play at the same time. This way I can master to a very high LUFS without having phase issues in the bass.
Another amazing way to perfectly mix low end is to learn how the frequencies sum up in volume,then Use a Ducker plugin to duck some frequencies something I learnt from Baphometrix clip to zero strategy
So i should consider using different fundamentals in kick and bass so that they not cancel eachother out? I am always using the same key in kick and bass.
Question: I recently saw another yt tutorial where somebody said, when mixing a sub, in order to make it audible on phone speakers, you just add a second sine wave oscillator which is only playing the third overtone of the fundamental (the fifth). Then you adjust the phase of both oscillators so you get maximum loudness while having minimum voltage basically. And after having tried it out, it does sound pretty good (if you don’t have a texture bass on top). But why do these two signals don‘t cancel each other out then? Is it because it’s an overtone or because the fifth is a large enough interval?
I don't use that technique, but the relationship between two notes a fifth apart (seven semitones) is fundamental to music. Not only are they roughly half an octave apart (so they are clearly discernible as different notes), the ratio between the frequencies is exactly 3:2, which means any phase cancellation or beating is regular and harmonious. It's why all major and minor chords sound "good" (they contain the tonic and the fifth) and why many genres use "power chords" (just the tonic and fifth). Other intervals can be discordant because the ratio of the frequencies isn't a simple ratio like 2:1 (octave), 3:2 (perfect fifth), 4:3 (perfect fourth), but something like 1.0663728:1 or another number with random infinite digits.
3:01 just heads up that some people are watching on systems that can’t pick up 41hz. I know what phase cancellation, and the wobble that comes with it but not everyone does. Just fyi
I have a song in G major. And as of now i thought we sre supposed to keep everything in the same key. But what should I do in this case change key of kick or bass/ and how many semitones up or down!!
If you make EDM don’t eq the low end and distort your kick. It’s the best way to make it sound horrible 😅 just spend more time to find / synthesize a kick that works with your bass - all the math / physics in this video of course apply to EDM too but less (processing, plug-ins..) is more (audio quality)
Nice but what about manually fixing the phase problems,also,you wouldnt be putting the bass an octave up just to fix the phase..and also what is the fundamental of a kick really?a kick that starts from f6 slopes on b3 and ends up on g1 for example
@@AdamSki.45 no,i dont mean that,i mean using a scope to see the phases and manually editing them by delaying them or from their source or with plugins..its a quite common practice
Yeah I was about to say, wasn't expecting this approach as phase is very technical and these tips are very different. Nonetheless, I think they're still really useful! Great info as always from Sage Audio
If you layer your kicks, then you might have to select the dominant kick as the fundamental frequency. By using a spectrum analyzer graph in fabfilter pro-Q3, you will find your fundamental frequency being equivalent to the highest amplitude in your frequency spectrum.
Use any good spectrum analyser and just visually look for the loudest peak while you loop the sample. What you'll probably notice is that kicks don't have a fixed fundamental frequency, because the pitch sweeps from one frequency to another (which is why kicks sound like kicks, not bass guitars) whereas sustained instruments stay on the same frequency. The rapidly changing pitch of drum sounds is what makes it very hard to get them to gel with bass sounds, since the changing pitch means there will always be moments where the kick is out of phase. You just have to pick or tune your kicks so that they are in phase more often than not.
Spoiler: this video delivers exactly what the title teased on. Well done, super interesting and helpful!
Except he stole it from another TH-camr 😂. How haven't you all figured out he's full of poop 💩 yet?
The best thing practical thing I discovered from this video is the piano roll at the bottom of pro q-3!
wtf i never noticed that until yet
@@ssmblwowww same
the video is practically an advertisement for their website and the examples are pretty much useless for any electronic producers, sad
This doesn’t really teach 808s tho lookup alexmadeit thank me later
The Keys are not always shown… you have to turn that “ON” in Pro Q3
The more i learn the less i feel i know...
Dunning Kruger's effect
That’s what I say! 😅
What we know is a drop, knowledge is the ocean ;) But yeah I concentrate on composing and arranging. All these mixing details lead to nothing but time wasting, that NOBODY will hear, except the experts pros and audiophiles.
you'll get there... ive learned so much within the last three years... I never thought I'd make it this far.
condensed repetition.
it begins to become familiar.
Make sure to also check out some production related myths. It helps a lot when you drop out of old beliefs.
This channel has made such a better audio engineer. Thank you & I appreciate u.
A complex aspect of audio science explained succinctly and - most appreciated - efficiently.
Perfect! I used their mastering service many times. They are true pros! ❤
Great work expanding on those notes! Keep it up!
Lol the shADE 😂
Another awesome smudging out the "negative frequencies" tutorial! Thank you so much Sage Audio 👑 Definetely gonna join as soon as possible for me!
Always coming with game changing info 👍
Utter GENIUS! So well explained, which tools to use, when and, for what. Thank you SO very much!
Hey, you guys should think about taking this up full-time, like starting an academy or something, I think you “might” be onto something here! 🤔 🤭
Really good video to demonstrate the need to watch phase across different types of instruments.
Great teaching as always.
I was expecting you to mention side chain just like another useful technique to set separation between kick and bass.
Thank you for these precious insights!
Side chain is old!! 😢
@@RUPRO1111 ok and
This video is a winner. You put in a lot of work I hope it continues to grow exponentially 🎉
Right when i bought new monitors to up task my mixing. Perfect
1:30 I definitely think this is an over simplification. we can definitely perceive differences in pitches less than 6%. microtonal music and even just pitch bends wouldn't exist if this was the case
well it was said that 6% is when we perceive it as a different note, implied to mean when we perceive it as a different note on a 12-tone tuning
you give some of the best and clearest explanations. thank you sir. and btw guys the course is 🔥
Guys, I am really considering joining your membership but, please, tell me. Are there private courses, person on person or it is just about having access to some courses that you read alone, you try to apply alone, etc. alone? Is all communication with the teachers done via texting? Because even when listening to your YT videos I have hundreds of questions and there is no one there to answer them for me. In rest, great stuff, thank you for everything.
Great knowledge here! I've always been kinda "scared" of removing a portion of the bass like that, but should i be?? It obviously gets the job done without taking away so much from the bass that it makes the bass sound weak.
Well, if it sounds good then it is good!
Awesome insight very helpful and will be utilizing these ideas, kudos!!!
Speaking of overtones (at around 4:25), personal opinion: Making a perfect 2-octave overtone could sound like an ideal solution... but does it? Fine, the kick's freq is E1, let's make that E3 the first heard overtone! A learner would say "hell yeah, that's it". Before we jump into conclusions, look at the guitar market where the demand for (deviant) tube amps is greatly higher than the need for (perfect) solid-state amps. The sound of tubes is simply warmer, more appealing, preferable. If we reed the overtone spectrum of solid states, it lifts up 1st, 3rd and 5th overtone (all perfect octaves). On the other end, tubes engage all deviant overtones of 2nd, 4th and 6th (those would be 5th, major 3rd, minor 7th). These are all much 'denser' intervals compared to perfect octaves that cohere in subtle dissonances. But we seem to find these 'deviant' sounds much more appealing than the sterile solid-state sound. So, be careful with math in music. Trust your ears!
even harmonics are octaves, not odd
Yeah, in the harmonic series, the fundamental is considered to be the first harmonic. The second (an even number) is one octave above (double the frequency) and the third (an odd number) is not the same note as the fundamental. Some people like odd harmonics, others prefer even harmonics. A lot depends on taste and context.
What are, if any, benefits of high pass filter on kick and bass verses just a shelf to achieve both more head room and take away unwanted/ muddy low end frequencies
Yeah man. Good Job
This is amazing! Thank you for this! Brilliantly explained. I do have a query, though. Kick is going to have a static and fixed fundamental frequency. But if the bass is playing the groove, and it's fundamental keeps changing, doest the same thing apply? As in, if my kick is on E1 which happens to be 41.2 Hz and if the bass hits Eb1 pretty often in the song, which is roughly 38.9 Hz, how is it supposed be processed?
Great question! That comes down to composition. In that instance, it's best to find ways to widen the range of frequencies between the kick and bass - so maybe Eb2 is a better option than Eb1. Otherwise, separating the 2 instruments with processing is incredibly difficult since they're so close in frequency.
One of the best videos why beating f@cks up your low end.....I always shouting at percussion players to tune their instr correc tly!!Also a phase plugin like the SSL helps the low end between kick and bass!!
1:26 Of course, 1.06 is the rounded ratio (which is fine). The exact ratio is 1.05946309.
I mean, there's an uppercase "SCIENCE" in the video title. So let's do some math 😄
If you multiply a frequency 12 times with the ratio r, you would get double the frequency. It has to be like that because you would go up 12 semitones, which is an octave by definition, which is double the frequency by definition. So one octave above 440Hz is 880Hz.
440 • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r • r = 880
440 • r^12 = 880
1 • r^12 = 2
r^12 = 2
r = 12√2
r = 1.05946309
Thank you Sage
I've always thought that kick should have the same kick as the bass. And then I usually use frequency sidechaining to have a more precise frequency handling
Amazing thank you
Ok this was awesome
Why not just use a ducker? I always completely duck the bass when the kick is hitting and reducing the length of the kick so that I have the punch from the kick and the tonal information from the bass. I use a ducker (shaperbox volume) to duck the low frequencies (below 100 hz) completely out of the way when the kick is hitting in that range. So these two components perfectly blur together without interfering with each other since kick and sub never play at the same time. This way I can master to a very high LUFS without having phase issues in the bass.
Another amazing way to perfectly mix low end is to learn how the frequencies sum up in volume,then Use a Ducker plugin to duck some frequencies something I learnt from Baphometrix clip to zero strategy
thanks this helps alot!
Glad it helped!
Thank you!
Thoughts on sympathetic vibration?
🔥
The other science is to match a kick to your bass in production, try different kicks and have less need for processing. 😀
Wonderful info. Thanks.
Great video! Thanks.
So i should consider using different fundamentals in kick and bass so that they not cancel eachother out? I am always using the same key in kick and bass.
If they are in tune you ll not have problems
But…..if they’re in tune and out of phase at all, you’ll have big problems.
Where would you place the exciter on your chain
Thank you, you are awesome!
Thanks for sharing!
90 seconds of watching, subbed
Question: I recently saw another yt tutorial where somebody said, when mixing a sub, in order to make it audible on phone speakers, you just add a second sine wave oscillator which is only playing the third overtone of the fundamental (the fifth). Then you adjust the phase of both oscillators so you get maximum loudness while having minimum voltage basically. And after having tried it out, it does sound pretty good (if you don’t have a texture bass on top). But why do these two signals don‘t cancel each other out then? Is it because it’s an overtone or because the fifth is a large enough interval?
I don't use that technique, but the relationship between two notes a fifth apart (seven semitones) is fundamental to music. Not only are they roughly half an octave apart (so they are clearly discernible as different notes), the ratio between the frequencies is exactly 3:2, which means any phase cancellation or beating is regular and harmonious. It's why all major and minor chords sound "good" (they contain the tonic and the fifth) and why many genres use "power chords" (just the tonic and fifth). Other intervals can be discordant because the ratio of the frequencies isn't a simple ratio like 2:1 (octave), 3:2 (perfect fifth), 4:3 (perfect fourth), but something like 1.0663728:1 or another number with random infinite digits.
Fresh Air on bass and kick! I would have never tried it, I'll see if it's better than Le Petite Excite on them. Thanks.
3:01 just heads up that some people are watching on systems that can’t pick up 41hz. I know what phase cancellation, and the wobble that comes with it but not everyone does. Just fyi
I have a song in G major.
And as of now i thought we sre supposed to keep everything in the same key. But what should I do in this case change key of kick or bass/ and how many semitones up or down!!
Always thought you SHOULD tune the kick to the key
mg ure genius :). Love your videos.
Great 👍 video.
If you make EDM don’t eq the low end and distort your kick. It’s the best way to make it sound horrible 😅 just spend more time to find / synthesize a kick that works with your bass - all the math / physics in this video of course apply to EDM too but less (processing, plug-ins..) is more (audio quality)
3:08 WTF do you mean by that? how do you change the fundamental note of the bass when bass is playing notes?
mmm, David Guetta and Tiesto make these equations to get they powerful squashed master??? 😁😁 Thanks for the info!
Googles homepage recommended me this video lol
WIZ AT WORK!
Is this vanoss?
Nice but what about manually fixing the phase problems,also,you wouldnt be putting the bass an octave up just to fix the phase..and also what is the fundamental of a kick really?a kick that starts from f6 slopes on b3 and ends up on g1 for example
Noob here. What do you mean by manually fixing the phase, reversing polarity?
@@AdamSki.45 no,i dont mean that,i mean using a scope to see the phases and manually editing them by delaying them or from their source or with plugins..its a quite common practice
Yeah I was about to say, wasn't expecting this approach as phase is very technical and these tips are very different. Nonetheless, I think they're still really useful! Great info as always from Sage Audio
Ssl phase is great for this
@@gughffhhghgghghgg1690 Got ya. Thanks for explaining
How could i identify kick fundamentals? I use different kick samles
If you layer your kicks, then you might have to select the dominant kick as the fundamental frequency. By using a spectrum analyzer graph in fabfilter pro-Q3, you will find your fundamental frequency being equivalent to the highest amplitude in your frequency spectrum.
Use SPAN.
Use SPAN and change the mode from default to high resolution to have more visual details
Use any good spectrum analyser and just visually look for the loudest peak while you loop the sample. What you'll probably notice is that kicks don't have a fixed fundamental frequency, because the pitch sweeps from one frequency to another (which is why kicks sound like kicks, not bass guitars) whereas sustained instruments stay on the same frequency. The rapidly changing pitch of drum sounds is what makes it very hard to get them to gel with bass sounds, since the changing pitch means there will always be moments where the kick is out of phase. You just have to pick or tune your kicks so that they are in phase more often than not.
👍👍👍Мне нужно это только на русском
учи английский
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@@yuradziadzichkin1251 спасибо
ever heard of sidechain?
Those were my same thoughts 😅.
Lol you ripped Nick de Lorenzo's video idea
What's the video did he make 1
The same video title but 1-2 weeks earlier, channel is called Panorama Mixing & Mastering @@1kingstan795
Hmm … no credit to panorama?
Ok, and I'm waiting for Baby Brain's audio engineer to f**ked up this well-explained kick & bass tutorial here in the comments.😅😅
If you are using science, then use metric system. Wavelenght of 30ft does not mean anything outside america.
Music is art, not science
You clearly know nothing about mixing.
@@Knucklesmd You think mixing is science? Do you set up an equation when you work? Scribble down all the frequencies in a planck curve?
Science and art can overlap and co-exist :)
Creating music is art, mixing/engineering is a mix of art and science
all popular music would not be listenable without engineering. gotta have both.
Thank's
The thing is for what?