i did these batteries are getting better and better and smaller and smaller and cheaper and cheaper lol by this time next year these batteries will cost 100.00 dollar per 100amp hour battery ill bet anything on that
@@ChadKovac the smaller batteries are for sure but the 100amp hour batteries are presmatic or like the battery I bought has 8 pouch cells to make up the 100amp hours but the smaller batteries are using smaller cells for sure sill good tho well there all built from the same factory just slap different labels on the product lol
@@jimmy_Ross honestly I don't care what the cells are packed in as long as they function and operate under spec.. I mean that's brilliant just using packs because they're so much easier to manufacture
@wallacegrommet9343 As long as your batteries are serving you well, nothing to worry about :D I have a mix of super old and newer LFP cells mixed in. They don't look great, but they power all my stuff just fine!
@colin8532 This battery is in long term testing... several other batteries here are going through the same process. The best test is to use them for awhile! If they survive that, I am done :D
Good stuff Dave..! I'm using Four Li Time 400Ah here..(1600Ah) it's alot of power. My panels (2 arrays) just don't get enough sun hours here with all the tall trees around here.. and can't cut them down either. I'm using an EG4 12k Hybrid for my AC and heat. It runs off a pair of 305w panels when the sun is out. Getting ready to relocate to AZ for lots of sun there.
@OFFGRID_Trucker Thanks :D that's a nice setup. It's amazing what solar can do. Maybe I'll do a video about my house batteries some time. Never shown that. Exciting moving to AZ... apparently zero problems with sun... that will get the batteries charged up.
@solarpoweredge yes.. I would like to see that video. Yeah.. full 10hrs of sun. The mini split starts working at 90 volts. I will add more panels to it when I get relocated and have the space to use them. Yes, the big move is exciting. 900 miles away. It's going to take four trips , almost 8000 miles. Lol
I still have to watch this but I did some snooping around. The one thing that stands out is the weight: 57 pounds. Usually, lithium batteries are considerably lighter than lead batteries of the same dimensions. But a 300AH lithium battery of that size has a lot of LiFePO4 crammed in it! Gotta wonder how safe this battery really is...
@schautamatic They must have higher energy density, appear to be aluminum cases. I am doing long term cycling on it now, I believe it will be very safe. Have been cycling the 100ah versions and no problems whatsoever
Your findings were similar to Wil Prowse as he tested the 100 AH model. Watt cycle seems to be the lowest priced LiFePO4 battery out there. I heard there is an abundance of lithium hence battery prices are dropping.
@philc.9280 Hi, you are right... there has been too much mining of lithium (over production) and it sometimes costs more to mine it than what they can sell it for. It's good to have lower prices, but at the same time we certainly don't want the market to collapse leading to production problems and a battery shortage. PS I reviewed a the WattCycle 100ah units also, and they seemed to be pretty good batteries. They are in long-term testing right now in my shop. If things go well, I will be able to do long term updates on all the batteries I have reviewed after 1 year or so.
WattCycle Claims they use EVE A Rated Cells in these Batteries. According to a video on the EVE 280 and 300 Ah Cells, Both Cells are the Same Size, and EVE under rates their Cells by 10% so their 300Ah Rated Cells will Actually Flow ~330Ah, and their 280Ah Cells ~311Ah (Max) before the BMS cuts them off. Remember that Battery Manufacturers usually stick to standard size Cases for their common rated batteries for same form factor mounting, and that LiFePO4's Cells are Smaller than Lead Acid cells. ALSO Overseas Shipping Charges are mostly based upon Volume, and smaller Dimensions per unit allows for less shipping cost per unit from China. (NOT Shipping as much Air!) *** APPARENTLY... WattCycle is taking advantage of this and are using EVE's 280Ah cells to be able to Claim/Give 300Ah Capacity while selling them at a lower price, and allow for a Smaller Void to be left within the Battery case allowing the MINI's smaller size. Thanks for the video! 🍺🍻
@cocoloconuevo Welcome :D the meter is very generic, goes by several brand names. You can see one I installed here for the shop and there is a link in the description to the exact listing th-cam.com/video/OEPnwosBYE0/w-d-xo.html
Looks like a good value for alot of capacity. Is there any company., making a decent 12 volt heater that puts out 500-1000 watts so the heater cana be directly hooked up to this type of battery ?
@davehimlin2374 Yes I tested some 12v heaters from amazon. They are car/truck cab heaters, and 12V PTC mini heaters. Both work OK for 12v use. For safety reasons, the PTC heaters seem better as they protect themselves from excess heat. The cab heaters put out more heat, but need to be placed on cement board and they don't seem to have any safety protections built in. Using an inverter is very inefficient, but I just wanted to show the method as it's very common
@ryan52403 I'm not very familiar with EG4, had a quick look at it just now. In my opinion, it's probably cheaper and better to assemble a standard DIY system with discrete components. Anotherwords battery, inverter, charge controller and cable it all together. That said, EG4 looks like a premium solution!
Going to be waiting a while. It's hard to come by less than $1.40 per amp hour, and I don't see prices dropping much in the short term with tarrifs on China. Would be nice if I was wrong though. Just looked at the Amazon listing, with the coupon it's $1.50 per AH, with the mini form factor that's honestly a decent price if weight is at all relevant to you. I paid less per AH for my 280AHs on Prime Day, but they weigh more than this despite less capacity
@@priestesslucy lol well last yeat at this time these batteries cost over 300 dollars and today i can buy the same battery for 150.00 dollars lol i just paid 140.00 dollars for 1000amp hour battery with a good JBD BMS and it has bluetooth witch i love and it has all the protcetion you would ever need and i only paid 140.00 dollar after taxes and shipping and i got it within 2 days of buying it so yeah im 100% percent sure these batteries will be half the price by this time next year and everyone allready knows this i could of spend 300 dollars last year but i waited 1 year and these batteries dropped down in half the price so yeah these batteries will be under 100.00 dollars for sure buy next year at this time ill bet anything ON IT
@@priestesslucy yeah for now but last year at this time these batteries cost 300 dollars an now there half the price and i know for sure these batteries will be around 100.00 dollars at most by next year lol so that battery i bogght for 140.00 dollars shipped and taxes and it got to my house in 2 days and that cost me 140.00 dollars so im pretty sure by this time next years the price of a 140.00 dollar battery will be only 100,00 dollars to buy next years so stop it these batteries are alomst at 100.00 dollars allready for cheap battery for 12 more months from now of course the batteries will be 100.00 dollar for sure so stop it why are you lying to people
ill bet anythign these batteries will cost 100 dollar per 100amp hours by this time next year since last year these same batteries cost over 300.00 dollars but i just bought one OFF AMAZON for 140.00 dollars after TAXES AND SHIPPING so im pretty sure by this time next year these batteries will be way cheaper like 1 dollar per amp hour and ill bet anything on that so priestesslucy ill bet you anything these batteries will cost 100.00 dollar max by next year just like these batteries are half the price since last year so do the math last years this same battery cost over 300.00 dollar and now you can a 100amp battery under 150.00 dollars now so if you do the math that mean by this time next year these batteries will deffinitly cost 100.00 dollars for a 100amp hour battery and ill bet anyone anything on this priestesslucy
@jimmy_Ross I used a lot of prismatic cells for my house batteries... waiting for a load of prismatic LFP cells for the workshop, they should be cheaper than the drop-in style batteries
@@solarpoweredge I had a 3600 ah 24 volt system on line for 2 years. 12x300 ah batteries. A BMS failed on one battery...dead shorted...and set fire to the power console and did $150,000 damage to my shop and garage. The battery bank was at 100%, MPPT charger was off, not outputting, total load on the system was under 750 watts. This was my 12th build of 14 LFP systems. Everything was assembled correctly, fused everywhere, 12kw split phase inverter, etc. Why it failed is being looked at by a forensic fire investigator. The system was online for 2 years with zero signs of distress. Max loads typically under 2300 watts. WHY????
@kimmer6 That is horrific! Sorry for the loss... I have never used any "BMS" on my hand built prismatic cell banks (mostly CALB cells), and in fact one of the reasons IS the risk of them shorting out. Problem is, batteries usually need some kind of protection circuitry to sell to the common market. It is a real dilemma. Anyway I hope you are able to recover your losses and rebuild.
I was not expecting a battery that size to actually have 300 amps capacity.
@BlenderRookie Pretty amazing what they can cram into the case
i did these batteries are getting better and better and smaller and smaller and cheaper and cheaper lol by this time next year these batteries will cost 100.00 dollar per 100amp hour battery ill bet anything on that
I wonder. Think they're using the 21700s?
@@ChadKovac the smaller batteries are for sure but the 100amp hour batteries are presmatic or like the battery I bought has 8 pouch cells to make up the 100amp hours but the smaller batteries are using smaller cells for sure sill good tho well there all built from the same factory just slap different labels on the product lol
@@jimmy_Ross honestly I don't care what the cells are packed in as long as they function and operate under spec.. I mean that's brilliant just using packs because they're so much easier to manufacture
Amazing energy density. Better form factor, too. Wish I waited on purchasing new batteries but didn’t have that option
@wallacegrommet9343 As long as your batteries are serving you well, nothing to worry about :D I have a mix of super old and newer LFP cells mixed in. They don't look great, but they power all my stuff just fine!
Very impressive. I'd love to see how they're built, i.e. the build quality. Sure would be a nice one to add to my system though
@colin8532 This battery is in long term testing... several other batteries here are going through the same process. The best test is to use them for awhile! If they survive that, I am done :D
Good stuff Dave..! I'm using Four Li Time 400Ah here..(1600Ah) it's alot of power. My panels (2 arrays) just don't get enough sun hours here with all the tall trees around here.. and can't cut them down either. I'm using an EG4 12k Hybrid for my AC and heat. It runs off a pair of 305w panels when the sun is out. Getting ready to relocate to AZ for lots of sun there.
@OFFGRID_Trucker Thanks :D that's a nice setup. It's amazing what solar can do. Maybe I'll do a video about my house batteries some time. Never shown that.
Exciting moving to AZ... apparently zero problems with sun... that will get the batteries charged up.
@solarpoweredge yes.. I would like to see that video. Yeah.. full 10hrs of sun. The mini split starts working at 90 volts. I will add more panels to it when I get relocated and have the space to use them. Yes, the big move is exciting. 900 miles away. It's going to take four trips , almost 8000 miles. Lol
@OFFGRID_Trucker Wow that's going to a different world. Very exciting!
I still have to watch this but I did some snooping around. The one thing that stands out is the weight: 57 pounds. Usually, lithium batteries are considerably lighter than lead batteries of the same dimensions. But a 300AH lithium battery of that size has a lot of LiFePO4 crammed in it! Gotta wonder how safe this battery really is...
@schautamatic They must have higher energy density, appear to be aluminum cases. I am doing long term cycling on it now, I believe it will be very safe. Have been cycling the 100ah versions and no problems whatsoever
@schautamatic my single 400ah li time is 180lbs and i have of them.
Excellent video ! Thankyou ! 😉🙃😎 NZ
@deanedeane4318 Welcome, and thanks a lot for watching :) :D 👍
With WattCycle batteries, RV camping is a breeze. They're long-lasting and powerful, keeping me powered up no matter where I am.
@elysefang4651 :) 👍
Your findings were similar to Wil Prowse as he tested the 100 AH model. Watt cycle seems to be the lowest priced LiFePO4 battery out there. I heard there is an abundance of lithium hence battery prices are dropping.
@philc.9280 Hi, you are right... there has been too much mining of lithium (over production) and it sometimes costs more to mine it than what they can sell it for. It's good to have lower prices, but at the same time we certainly don't want the market to collapse leading to production problems and a battery shortage. PS I reviewed a the WattCycle 100ah units also, and they seemed to be pretty good batteries. They are in long-term testing right now in my shop. If things go well, I will be able to do long term updates on all the batteries I have reviewed after 1 year or so.
WattCycle Claims they use EVE A Rated Cells in these Batteries.
According to a video on the EVE 280 and 300 Ah Cells, Both Cells are the Same Size, and EVE under rates their Cells by 10% so their 300Ah Rated Cells will Actually Flow ~330Ah, and their 280Ah Cells ~311Ah (Max) before the BMS cuts them off.
Remember that Battery Manufacturers usually stick to standard size Cases for their common rated batteries for same form factor mounting, and that LiFePO4's Cells are Smaller than Lead Acid cells.
ALSO Overseas Shipping Charges are mostly based upon Volume, and smaller Dimensions per unit allows for less shipping cost per unit from China. (NOT Shipping as much Air!)
*** APPARENTLY... WattCycle is taking advantage of this and are using EVE's 280Ah cells to be able to Claim/Give 300Ah Capacity while selling them at a lower price, and allow for a Smaller Void to be left within the Battery case allowing the MINI's smaller size.
Thanks for the video! 🍺🍻
@CriticalThinker-42 Good breakdown of the details, thanks :D
Nice video review!
@CharlesNewkirk-lb6uh Thank you sir :D
Thanks for sharing. What make/model is the battery meter you are using? Do you have a video or blog post with the tools you use for testing?
@cocoloconuevo Welcome :D the meter is very generic, goes by several brand names. You can see one I installed here for the shop and there is a link in the description to the exact listing th-cam.com/video/OEPnwosBYE0/w-d-xo.html
hey thanks for the info
Watts up ? Sorry
@ianball3972 NP thanks for watching :)
@leeinwis No harm done :D
Bluetti charger1 video got my 10 year old interested 😮❤❤❤ 2:20
@steveadal4735 Good stuff :) :D he will be a solar expert when he grows up :)
@@steveadal4735 I have the 500 W pecron charger that charges my Ecoflow delta.
If making system use 48 volts as you can use smaller wires,would be good for rv
@samfish6938 Good point :)
Looks like a good value for alot of capacity. Is there any company., making a decent 12 volt heater that puts out 500-1000 watts so the heater cana be directly hooked up to this type of battery ?
@davehimlin2374 Yes I tested some 12v heaters from amazon. They are car/truck cab heaters, and 12V PTC mini heaters. Both work OK for 12v use. For safety reasons, the PTC heaters seem better as they protect themselves from excess heat. The cab heaters put out more heat, but need to be placed on cement board and they don't seem to have any safety protections built in. Using an inverter is very inefficient, but I just wanted to show the method as it's very common
What brand is your multimeter?
@Miles7955 It's a Gochifix, here is a video about it: th-cam.com/video/RBoQZ_HWm70/w-d-xo.html
Any downside to using these vs an EG4 battery for home battery backup?
@ryan52403 I'm not very familiar with EG4, had a quick look at it just now. In my opinion, it's probably cheaper and better to assemble a standard DIY system with discrete components. Anotherwords battery, inverter, charge controller and cable it all together. That said, EG4 looks like a premium solution!
What do you do if the battery doesn't meet it's rated capacity?
@trainmaster0217 Most likely send it back
@@solarpoweredge ok, Thank you.
@trainmaster0217 NP
Wow good price
@garys6898 Not bad for so much energy crammed into a small space!
@solarpoweredge yeah I just grabbed 280ah eco worthy ones for like 470 each
lol im waiting till these batteries come down to 1 dollar per amp hour lol then i will be happy to buy them to me they still cost to much
@jimmy_Ross You're right they ain't cheap
Going to be waiting a while.
It's hard to come by less than $1.40 per amp hour, and I don't see prices dropping much in the short term with tarrifs on China.
Would be nice if I was wrong though.
Just looked at the Amazon listing, with the coupon it's $1.50 per AH, with the mini form factor that's honestly a decent price if weight is at all relevant to you. I paid less per AH for my 280AHs on Prime Day, but they weigh more than this despite less capacity
@@priestesslucy lol well last yeat at this time these batteries cost over 300 dollars and today i can buy the same battery for 150.00 dollars lol i just paid 140.00 dollars for 1000amp hour battery with a good JBD BMS and it has bluetooth witch i love and it has all the protcetion you would ever need and i only paid 140.00 dollar after taxes and shipping and i got it within 2 days of buying it so yeah im 100% percent sure these batteries will be half the price by this time next year and everyone allready knows this i could of spend 300 dollars last year but i waited 1 year and these batteries dropped down in half the price so yeah these batteries will be under 100.00 dollars for sure buy next year at this time ill bet anything ON IT
@@priestesslucy yeah for now but last year at this time these batteries cost 300 dollars an now there half the price and i know for sure these batteries will be around 100.00 dollars at most by next year lol so that battery i bogght for 140.00 dollars shipped and taxes and it got to my house in 2 days and that cost me 140.00 dollars so im pretty sure by this time next years the price of a 140.00 dollar battery will be only 100,00 dollars to buy next years so stop it these batteries are alomst at 100.00 dollars allready for cheap battery for 12 more months from now of course the batteries will be 100.00 dollar for sure so stop it why are you lying to people
ill bet anythign these batteries will cost 100 dollar per 100amp hours by this time next year since last year these same batteries cost over 300.00 dollars but i just bought one OFF AMAZON for 140.00 dollars after TAXES AND SHIPPING so im pretty sure by this time next year these batteries will be way cheaper like 1 dollar per amp hour and ill bet anything on that so priestesslucy ill bet you anything these batteries will cost 100.00 dollar max by next year just like these batteries are half the price since last year so do the math last years this same battery cost over 300.00 dollar and now you can a 100amp battery under 150.00 dollars now so if you do the math that mean by this time next year these batteries will deffinitly cost 100.00 dollars for a 100amp hour battery and ill bet anyone anything on this priestesslucy
@jimmy_Ross I used a lot of prismatic cells for my house batteries... waiting for a load of prismatic LFP cells for the workshop, they should be cheaper than the drop-in style batteries
@@solarpoweredge true true
@@solarpoweredge I had a 3600 ah 24 volt system on line for 2 years. 12x300 ah batteries. A BMS failed on one battery...dead shorted...and set fire to the power console and did $150,000 damage to my shop and garage. The battery bank was at 100%, MPPT charger was off, not outputting, total load on the system was under 750 watts. This was my 12th build of 14 LFP systems. Everything was assembled correctly, fused everywhere, 12kw split phase inverter, etc. Why it failed is being looked at by a forensic fire investigator. The system was online for 2 years with zero signs of distress. Max loads typically under 2300 watts. WHY????
@kimmer6 That is horrific! Sorry for the loss... I have never used any "BMS" on my hand built prismatic cell banks (mostly CALB cells), and in fact one of the reasons IS the risk of them shorting out. Problem is, batteries usually need some kind of protection circuitry to sell to the common market. It is a real dilemma. Anyway I hope you are able to recover your losses and rebuild.