Combat Tai Chi - It's Not Park Tai Chi
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- Sifu Workman discusses Combat Tai Chi vs "park tai chi" and why park tai chi is not suitable for self-defense. Sifu Workman also discusses the necessity of the iron part of the "iron wrapped in silk" description of traditional Tai Chi.
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I love seeing people who actually understand that Tai Chi is a martial art, not just a health movement. I don't teach Tai Chi for fighting per se as that's not what my students are looking for. But, I don't believe in teaching Tai Chi as moving through empty air without an understanding of why you're moving the way you are. All my students are exposed to applications even though I'm not teaching fighting. I find it helps them to remember Tai Chi better.
Finally. A taichi teacher that understands you are not fighting a one armed frozen warrior like in karate demonstrations. Taichi is not a fighting art, it is a self defense art. Big difference in the attitude going into a bad situation. Great video.
Makes sense...
Actually it is, Tai Chi was developed for warfare for use in the military. Then it went through it's first iteration where it changed into an art of self-defense and taught to one of the leading 5 families of the internal arts, i.e. the Chen Style, then Yang took over and it changed again into a hidden health art because the Emperor wanted to be taught the art and to save his family's life, Old Yang watered the applications down and taught it. It all depends on what you study and what time frames you study it in. I am happy that people are beginning to understand that Tai Chi is more than some pretty exercise done for health.
Funny how you say the truth about one martial art and then immediately discredit the other in the same way people discredit tai chi. Think about that. Karate "demonstrations" also show effective combat techniques, same as in tai chi. And karate also has it's "park" style, ineffective style, but at the same time it has the effective, Okinawan style of true fighting.
So I wonder how you could defend tai chi and attack karate in the same way that tai chi is attacked, and this all in one sentence.
Not a fighting art but a self defence art?
And how do you guys art down an aggressive attacker in a self defence situation without fighting? : )
Your completely wrong taichi as always been a fighting art...its just that now as to my 40 yrs of practice its now more related to health & exercises, its not combat taichi its taichi as it as always been used ..thats why yang Cheng-Fu was called the unbeatable...fearless..its just that some masters don't know the chi gongs that associated with...its not lost its it the askshic records.
“Iron wrapped in silk” “a grappling art” well said, great video
Tai Chi in the park is Shadow Wrestling. Similar to Shadow Boxing…
I've been saying this for years. I just found your channel. Instant subscribe.
Disclosure: I learned iron wrapped in silk from Kung Fu and applied it to the Tai Chi I was taught. It worked wonders. Anybody who reads this, this guy is awesome.
Thank you Sifu!
Finally i found a real tai chi instructor!
Please upload more and more videos!
You actually believe this crap ?🤣
@@GinoTrickz i used to😂 now im a kickboxer👊🏻
One of the best martial arts to gain reflexes, stability and well being. This coming from a Thai boxer. Lol you two are probably just ignorant
@@cyberreality7774 i was.. im a thai boxer now lol
@@alidasuqi4804 Dude do you actually keep changing martial art every month? hahaha
Sparring with my old instructor was like fighting a taffy pulling machine. I usually ended up tangled up in my own arms and hitting nothing but the floor.
I’ve searched for decades and never found another teacher like him.
Now it’s all health and moving meditation. I’m more likely to need to be healthy than get attacked, so I settle.
Thanks for keeping the old knowledge alive.
only good at beating up his novice students
Would you mind sharing the name of your old instructor? I'm picky about learning from people. If not, any suggestions on who I can follow without worry?
@@Merchantwun I'm afraid he quit teaching some time ago. (He taught me almost 30 years ago) Most Yang style practitioners have moved more towards moving meditation. The Chen style has a solid martial base, but it's harder to find teachers. Good luck! If you're interested in the health and philosophy aspects and don't have a local teacher I recommend Paul Read, aka the Teapot Monk. He has a well thought out online program.
@@Merchantwun Wudang Tai Chi (Chen Ting Hung lineage, through Dan Docherty/Ian Cameron) is usually taught as a combat art, and was very interesting to (briefly) study.
There is/was a Dan Docherty student called Neil Rosiak in London who studied under Docherty and taught Tai Chi as a full-contact grappling and striking art.
I was fortunate to have an instructor who taught me how to fight with Tai Chi. They are a rarity, especially here in the US. But they are out there. Sadly, many folks only want the health aspect of Tai Chi, and don't want to know how to use it. Personally, I'm 56 and still training. I don't fight as well as I used to, but I bring my Tai Chi experience to my kickboxing training when I spar. The other students who are mostly karate or jiu jitsu students like the fact they are getting exposed to something different that isn't usually seen. For me I get to keep my skills to some extent, for them, they get exposed to a traditional martial art that does work if you know how to use it.
I really like your explanation. I recently started doing Tai Chi, but it's the soft sensitive heal practice 'the silk" without the iron. I am doing Tai Chi with my wife so she can improve her health. But I would like to learn the combat Tai Chi. I have a back ground of martial arts when I was young. Now I am a Krav Maga practitioner. As I have been developing my Krav Maga skills, I like the balance of Tai Chi. I feel it would improve my balance. Krav Maga teaches us principals and add too your tool box. I will be going through your videos on youtube. Thank you for being honest as well.
Hello, saw your comment, if you learn real Taijquan the health benefits will come. Its difficult to receive positive results with a health only approach because the mind is trying to work out what's happening during the movements and the energy flow is blocked. Great that you guys are practicing together. Peace
Some of the best Taiji people I've met have been in parks throughout China. Taiji is Taiji, whether you practice it for health, exercise or self-defense. None of those people call their Taiji "combat Taiji" or "park Taiji".
Gotta love it when you've struggled handling a sword for a year or two - and then see "fragile" 90 year old Chinese guys handling two swords as if they were part of them 🤣
I agree with you, being a Neijiaquan practitioner myself. I humbly posit the common argument that "To learn to fight, you must train with the intention to fight."
Also- Yes Tai Chi is Tai Chi, but context is important. I have no doubt that there are great teachers of Taijiquan who teach in parks who do not differentiate between "combat" and "health" Tai Chi.. but I think the important message this instructor is sharing is that people should not conflate Tai Chi is qigong for health with Tai Chi as martial arts for self-defense. Not making this distinction to your students is negligent, and leads to this now common phenomenon of Internal Arts charlatans drunk on their own Kool-Aid having their egos crushed by the Xu Xiaodongs of the world, who merely wish to decipher what is real, effective Chinese martial arts of his native country, and what is not.
@@EazyMac "To learn to fight, you must train with the intention to fight." No question about that. Problem is, most western Taiji teachers have no idea that there is a martial side to Taiji. I'm all for teaching the whole thing, as my teacher does. But I've also found that most teachers who are teaching "combat Taiji" haven't really learned the correct applications and, to make up for not ever having learned from a teacher who understands the applications within the forms, have instead taken movements from the forms and retrofitted their idea of how to apply the movements, especially those who have come from other, especially external, martial arts. Unfortunately, those applications rarely work in real life without the application of muscle. Regarding Xu Xiaodong, I've watched his fights against alleged "Taiji masters" and in my opinion, not one of those so-called "masters" was the real deal. Besides, real "masters" don't need to prove themselves in a sporting event. Unfortunately, westerners have a wrong notion of what a master is in terms of Chinese culture. The Chinese term "Shifu" is rarely used in China to refer to a martial arts master, but western teachers like to call themselves that. It's more commonly used for taxi drivers, chefs and other skilled workers. "Laoshi" is the more common term for martial arts teachers. But westerners seem to like to exaggerate the meaning to be something greater than what it is. Same thing happened to the western translation of Taiji as "Grand Ultimate" or "Supreme Ultimate". Someone who doesn't understand Chinese used an English-Chinese dictionary, looked up the various meanings of "Tai" and "Ji", and chose the means that were most impressive. The correct translation should be "Extreme Polarity", as in "Yin Yang".
Thank you! I use tai chi to an extent, along with other styles in actual fights. Not sure about this distinction he's making. He does say tai chi is a grappling art, tho. That's absolutely true in my humble opinion. I use tai chi the most if someone manages to get me to the ground.
I agree with you. What I explain to my tai chi students is that I am showing applications to better help them remember the form; I teach the 108 move traditional Yang Style Tai Chi form. But I make it clear to them that there's a lot more to fighting than just knowing the moves and applications. Defence training, body conditioning, just getting into the mind set that hitting someone, or someone hitting you hurts are all part of fighting. So while I try to keep the traditional form alive, I make it very clear to my students that if they want to fight, there's a whole lot more they need to learn than just the movements of the form. I'd love to teach my students to use the form, but most are much older than I am, and are really only interested in learning the health aspects of Tai Chi.
@@EazyMac
So many applications to such a simple move. Kung fu truly is real combat
Well said!
100%. I tell people tai chi is one of the deadliest martial arts I know and they look at me like I’m crazy.
Demonstrations always look great but sparing to prove he's point will be more convincing to me. The problem I have demonstrating technics in martial arts is people don't leave their hands there for you to grab and do your stuff. For example, a boxer is super fast, agile and strong. He will hit you like a machine gun! That's the reality!!!
You are correct. Real fighting does not look like this. It is very hard to demonstrate in a way that people can understand while someone is hitting you “like a machine gun”. Fighting and teaching are two different things.
@nicholasgreen339 You think a good boxer is "easy to read"? Why does EVERY taichi practitioner get their dantian's handed to them when they fight boxers, kickboxers, or wrestlers? I have never seen any taichi "fighter" do anything but get starched when they deal with a trained boxer or kickboxer or mma fighter. I think there's even a guy over in China who has made quite a career out of proving this point. Cheers!
@@athenry as he said those don't train to Fight. They don't know how to fight
@@athenry nobody punches like that not even a brawler or street fighter this guy is demonstrating nonsense. Infact they will throw with multiple punches and his technique won’t work cause they you won’t stop and hold his arm out and his strikes aren’t deadly enough to stop them.
I'm glad this is out there being said. I've felt for years that poor representatives give a formidable art a bad name. Thank you.
Thank You sir. Now, that I have seen the COMBAT SIDE.
Good stuff Sifu is speaking the unpleasant truth. You can’t fight until you have taken your lumps in training.
Thanks! This is real Tai Chi! I remember the Shaw brother's kung fu movies on Tai Chi. They were awesome.
I did combat Tai chi and Northern Shaolin combo many years ago with a master in Dubai, when I came to USA, I couldn’t find combat Tai Chi, all were park Tai Chi. So sad that this unique art has disappeared. I wish I can find a master in North Texas where I live.
Great video, learning the applications behind the moves, practice the applications, and do controlled sparring is the only way properly use Tai Chi techniques.
Controlled as in it does not work in real life
@@luiscruces1578 Controlled means you don't go 100% during sparring. Otherwise, it becomes a real match and people will get hurt before they can learn to familiar with the techniques.
You learn the applications/techniques so you can understand the body mechanics and structure (the principals) behind them, you are very unlikely to use a given technique exactly as practiced during form practice, instead you use the principals gleaned during sparring to create whatever move or amalgamation of moves is needed. From sparring you will also learn the sensitivity required to predict and take advantage of an opponents movements. If you don’t pressure test with uncooperative sparring, you are not going to learn much that will be useful.
Great video. 4 once Tai Chi makes sense as a martial art. I had heard a long time ago that yang style tai chi was for combat but I don't know if that's accurate.
@@donaldmackerer9032 All styles (Yang, Wu, Chan, etc) can be used for combat; the key point is that the practitioner must know the applications behind the moves + practice the applications through sparring.
One of the greatest Sifu's in the valley. Thank you Master Workman. I am a stronger person today because of you.
Thank you for this comment..
I would like study Tai Chi, but I'm 43 years old.
Can I study it?
Age doesn’t matter.
@@rew7974 thanks
@@omtolerent Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. Better now than later, brother 🙏🏼 It cannot hurt; it can only help. BUT- Find a qualified instructor; there are many charlatans. Find someone who clearly respects and knows the culture. And/or, find someone who can easily move you against your will. An accomplished Tai Chi player/stylist will introduce you to a feeling you have likely never experienced before. Best of luck to you, brother. 🙏🏼
Wrong. Daniel LaRusso is hhe best instructor in the valley. He teaches Mayagi do.
I did not even know this info! Great video. Impressive how one simple move combined with takedown and striking is so powerful!
Thanks Sifu Workman
Very informative and helpful video
Do you or your students have schools in Chicago?
Also if you need to learn combat taichichuan and it takes years to master what do you suggest if you need to protect yourself in a matter of days or weeks
refreshing to see someone with an understanding of the violent side of tai chi! so rare these days.
Thank you.
This is a great video!
My TCC Sifu's senior classmate said:
"It's okay to punch second, but arrive first."
:)
Indeed, this is a powerful axiom of the Internal Arts! Possibly especially within Taijiquan. Thank you for sharing this wisdom!
Excellent teaching.
We appreciate your feedback.
I remember learning some tai chi and always incorporated the iron with it. Never settle
I use a lot of the fajin principles to generate a lot of power in my strikes and the "swimming" techniques to deflect blows sometimes but that is about it. I find that if I try to do the frame and someone is throwing alot of crazy haymakers in a row I tend to get hit. I've decided to go more with distance and mobility and only going in when I have an opening. Though the way you are describing this is getting me thinking.
Awesome thank you
Real Tai Chi players don't engage in M.M.A., cage matches, etc.
Most of what Tai Chi is about is illegal in these 'organized' matches.
I learned real Tai Chi Chuan in the park from some very old (pre Mao) players years (decades) ago.
If we look like martial artists we're doing it wrong.
Tai Chi Chuan is all about 'Fang song' (放松) for which there is no real English translation.
It's unfortunate that you have such a low opinion of park players.
We're not supposed to look like martial artists.
That's the whole point.
triangle seen at both arms, well done!
thanks for this. i wondered what was missing..
I also train in tai chi, and yes I will apply what you show hear to my own training.
Excellent!
In Fayetteville North Carolina there are two combat Taiji instructors...Sifu Richard Martin and Sifu Joseph Adames. Both are knowledgeable and highly skilled! Search for the Rou Long Ma School of Chinese Martial Arts in Fayetteville NC. I studied Yang Taiji and Northern Shaolin Kung Fu under both of them for nearly two years.
Super sir👏👏
Ok good Demo! What would keep 2 combatants from donning protective gear and getting close-in video angles or above of a tai chi master and student actually hitting? Then slow-mo it to study. I especially like the focus on maintaining your stance. In a street attack you often start with backing away from the attacker to keep distance from dangerous blows, waiting for that prime moment to strike
Do u have any videos posted on your channel that shows Combat Tai Chi in action with real sparring? Would love to see that. Thanks
Not a single 'tai chi' super dude has ever demonstrated his 'tai cheese' superduper evasive superior power in the ring against a resisting opponent. All talk and no walk.
this is a great combat.
Thank you for sharing. One of my teachers Master Yu used to say T’ai Chi harder than any kind! Grateful I only had to use it one time when 2 guys tried to mug me on the NYC subway. After I took out the guy with the razor blade box cutter the other guy ran. Anyway thanks for sharing parts of the lost martial art.
If you're in Europe /England , look up practical taijiquan from Dan docherty. They will teach you how to fight from the Wu style from Cheng Tin Hung.
This is Great! i was a practitioner of A Taekwando Mma style and my Dad was taught a JKD style with other people from one of bruce lees students i don't remember who right now but he used to tell me that even as old as he was he could be 20 feet away from you and get in on you in a second, i think it was Wing chun and grappling style mostly but this reminds me of how my dad spars when we mess around, Keep the good work going!
Your dad trained with Bruce Leroy? That's cool!
I've practiced sanshou for one year, and now I practice taekwondo and hapkido. I have about six years practicing bout. Now I'm also training Tai chi in a park. As you said they don't teach me how to fight with this art so I'm trying to learn from books. What do you recommend me to learn more how to apply Tai chi even when there are no masters that teach combat Tai chi near where I live?
This is admittedly a highly inadequate answer, but: Understand the value of stillness. Without Song, the Internal Arts (Tai Chi, Xingyi, Bagua, among others) are empty and lacking in power or strength. Anyone who says ALL power of Tai Chi comes from comparing the human being to a doorstop does not understand Tai Chi. It goes much further than the physical, and what is highly understated is the importance of mind.
Circle hands with sticky contact Wu Style and feel the chi move through your limbs 😮😂🎉
Interesting video.
Im loving my Tai Chi. Doing it for a few month now. Exactly as you demonstrated. Not in a park.
Very happy to hear you are enjoying your Tai Chi experience! Please don't neglect your Wuji standing! 😁🙏🏼
I have the basic same issue when dealing with Aikido. I group it into two categories Fluffy Bunny Aikido and then the kind that is effective in real life. They both are really, basically, the same but the real Aikido practice allows it to work, in real life. I like it when people talk trash about my Aikido it shows me that I still have a great advantage in a real-life situation, people still believe it won't work in real life. Such a great advantage in a real situation.
People who've never jad a real fight in their lives will never understand that in reality based fights, all of the fancy crap you see goes out the window and having that move that works in a real situation is what counts. I know there are aikido moves that would work and disable an attacker completely but you must be like Steven Seagal and mix in striking with it and know some grappling in case to get back to your feet.
@@GBody-sn5ok real life fight is nothing like training, and yes those that only train will never get that. training, in a dojo, has prepared my mind and body so that they react without thought or delay, but the skills of a real fight are only found in a real fight.
I've had over 100 fights during the 90s in a city that's no different than L.A. or San Diego or others at that time. I had to learn from experience because just crossing the main road meant I was going into another hood with their rules and that was getting hit up and taking on more that one. Back then there weren't any weenies like the ones today. My generation was the last real generation of tough men and women and honestly, the generations before mine were tougher. When I started mixing in martial arts and combat sports, it got really interesting. I could observe a class and see what's wrong and what should be done instead. @@zenshinacademy4096
Excellent, someone who teaches combat Tai Chi in the way I do....steel wrapped in cotton wool
Great principles. I tell people all the time. Tai Chi is not a fighting art, It is a finishing art. You notice that the student threw the first punch, but Sifu landed first and was in position to finish not continue fighting. Fighting involves at least 2 adversaries. In my Tai Chi I don't fight, I finish, he never gets a second chance.
Great vid!
Is there a system of tai chi that is better suited for self defense?
@18Hands
I agree 100% with your feedback.
Although much of what's available in terms of tai chi is mostly meditative, and contemplative, I had heard that there were pretty interesting grappling sequences in Chen style, and some Hsing Yi/ Bagua stuff in Sun style.
I'm in no way a practitioner, but I'm fascinated by the beauty and excellence displayed in some tai chi, and of course, kung fu!
I like your channel, good stuff. Subbed. Can you do Needle at the Sea?
this new intro is so cool it made me bust out of joy
It’s super cheap to try to make your name by attacking people who practice in parks. More “holier then thou” nonsense from people who don’t even understand the art but want to get clicks and make money.
I did Tai Chi in a park on my way to the subway. There were people there doing stuff I still can’t understand. There was an old, old guy open hand slapping the cast iron swing set poles. Let’s go find him and criticize “park tai chi.”
Unprofessional and disrespectful to others in the community. You’re embarrassing.
I’m sure you understand that it’s not about the location but the content of your art. If the old, old man is doing real tai chi while standing in a park, that is not park tai chi. Those are two different concepts.
Promising video. 😃
I have a friend who is starting Tai Chi. She is learning, as you call it, 'park Tai Chi'. When I asked if she was aware of "combat Tai Chi", she said "Whaaa? But I live 1500mi away and am trained in hard styles, TKD, boxing, Krav Maga, etc... (I've been to a couple of 4 hr. workshops on combat Tai Chi about 15/18years ago.)
I want to recommend some vids/channels and as I said, this video seems like a promising start.
Question: What about defending against the Jab. I can see how that would work against a haymaker. But, no one throws a lunge punch.
Also, when you go to the inside, you are open to a knee to the groin. What is the defense?
As a TKD-JKD Instructor for over 20 years, I understand that you can only show so much at one time, but it's not even addressed. As in, "Check out our video on 'defending against the knee kick to the groin'" or such.
Thank you for your consideration.
These are great questions! Stay tuned for a video or blog post reply. I’ll post a link in a response.
@UCZPqeRrOopn7x8py4ecu3YA "... Look for a video or blog post reply..." I don't understand. Are you with the channel? You want to weigh in on what I find while I surf yt channels?
@@Tht1Gy sorry. I’m the program manager. Posted from the wrong account.
@@ShaolinArtsAZ Lol. Thx. I figured out that it was something like that. :-)
I'll keep a look-out.
Your questions are great. My background is in TKD (39 years) and HKD (19 years) plus I dabbled in several other systems taught by very accomplished masters. But as far as the question about being on the inside, the answer was stated in the video - you have to know how to fight. I would think 20 years of teaching is enough to raise your fight IQ high enough to deal with that. But if you're thinking of sticking solely to TCC concepts and techniques in that situation, then perhaps adding the study of TCC would be appropriate.
Can I also use push hand
Because I have watched Tai chi hero. He uses an open hand is it useful
Show wind sweeps away the lotus leaf. Please and thank you
Ohhh now that you said it, it make alot of sense. Every other taichi master is trash beside you.... OMG thank you for saving tai chi for us master
Move those feet to the superior position usually at at 45 degree angle. He strike with the right hand you used your right side and arm to come in at this right go through him.
Sifu, what do you think of the late Erle Montaigue’s material? I have a couple of his books in my personal library.
BTW, gladly subscribed!
@333 666A FTR, Erle Montaigne (1949-2011) was a longtime Tai Chi practitioner and master of the Yang style who was best known for his books about Dim Mak and vital point striking. I have 2 or 3 of his books.
Having never heard of him would hardly be “proof” that you don’t know what you’re talking about…not in my “book.” I was simply curious, no disrespect intended or implied.
He made most of his stuff up....pretty much all of it.
I heard he was a bullshit artist . When my teacher ( Wu style taiji from Cheng Tin Hung ) challenged him , he backed off...
Hmmmmm. Agreed. I was a bouncer for years to strengthen my control. Seven star position never failed me. Couple that with my lessons under Malcolm Su, I earned a reputation and no-one ever asked my core style. I posted my Australian certification. The stamp was done by the man from China/Tibet who did my examinations.
Can you use “roll the ball” as a guard? Can it work as a good response?
"Hold the ball" is a trasitionary/set-up movement. Use the opening stance as a guard. It should look like a wrestling stance with both hands ready in front of you.
I am doing Tai Chi with my own background in some other martial arts including Muay Thai and Karate. Also, I have experienced a couple of real street fights where I had to safe my friend by taking him away from gangsters. Tai Chi does not work like we see in any DEMO. It just helps the practitioner adjust the force during the fight through the Physics of the art; but it does not work in the scope of its anticipated application taught in any DEMO, for sure. 🙏
Do not rely on the martial art technique; but rather on how big your opponent is, and your safety will be guaranteed.
Exactly, Taichi has been invented for fighting, as should be applied in al direction. More emphasis on separating the directions and their timing could add more to beginers. Paul, 68, retired instructor of Karate, fun of Taichi.
Tai Chi moves from the centre; your movements are all arms and shoulders. It's nice that you can fight with whatever it is that you're doing, but it's obviously not Tai Chi. Tai Chi experts in China are quick to point out that Shaolin training is very different from Tai Chi training. There's a reason for that.
This is hilarious, all make beleive. I see nothing to indicate you have any fighting skills.
A ground art I would like to see flow
My Aikido teacher also teaches tai chi, brings a relaxed power that feels unstoppable when on the receiving end. The old style Tai Chi does still exist in China but most people I met whilst living there made huge claims but didn't have the real thing. The so called Tai Chi masters are like the weird uncle of the martial arts world in China. Look at Wei Lei's training footage and you'll realize he lacks any kind of structure.
Looked like young dude was holding back, good discipline!?
A recent important discovery of mine with the power of old school Tai Chi, is the importance of standing practice. It's difficult to keep this short, but I'll try: With External arts, what you see is what you get. It seems powerful because it looks powerful, and most people have seen "powerful". The power of Internal arts is not evident in the physical movement, which is why it is misunderstood- you will only know the truth of Internal power from experiencing it (which only makes sense- Martial Arts is experienced through the sense of touch, not sight.. people seem to forget this). It is many consecutive days and countless collective hours of standing in Wuji or Zhan Zhuang (Cheng Bao, "embracing tree") posture that trains the Internal arts practitioner to rely less on isolated muscular tension and specific physical structure, and instead the freedom afforded by the whole-body tensegrity of fascial tissues. Tai Chi will always "look weak" to the uninitiated, watching from the outside in.. What is unseen is occurring within the practitioner's mind and body- the yi leading the qi; the qi moving the body. On the outside, a neophyte and master may appear the same... But what is occurring inside is the difference between defeat and victory.
Nice!
Taiji is not all Taiji especially in America. He should have started with Taiji Chaun but he wanted neophytes to understand him. Taiji works great in a fight but you have to train and you have to fight William C C Chen is someone that knows this. There are others, some teach in parks, some don’t. Park Taiji is what you show the public because you don’t know them and you don’t trust them.
Reminds me of Aikido.
That makes sense. The founder of Aikido went to China to learn Tai Chi and White Crane Kung Fu to mix it with his Japanese martial arts training.
@@ShaolinArtsAZ interesting, thanks!
@@ShaolinArtsAZ This is the 1st I've heard of a taiji connection with aikido. Most of these speculations connect aikido with baguazhang which is even more unlikely due to the closed nature of neijia groups. There is no record of Chinese wu de being friendly with Japanese.
It is possible that Ueshiba saw some outside practice but being taught is highly unlikely. Aikido is superficially like bagua but most training methods and applications outside of qinna are quite different.
Tai Chi is mainly for health only a very few can use it for self-defense. Many who claim that they can use it for that purpose are using strength based Tai Chi which is against its Taoist principals. That is my take on it.
Nice sir
What is fellow is saying, is what I am taught. When the average person encounters is "Park Taiji". No disrespect to all the practitioners. I've been studying since 1978.I still understand little, but comprehending the Eight Energies is crucial.
My late dad did park tai chi for over 60 years. He offered to reach me numerous times but it was not combat tai chi so i wasnt interested.
I learned it, I can use it and teach it...guarantee.
I completely agree with you...the art as it was ..is lost...even the iron shirt training parts of it are not done...as you were soaked in special fermented herds...times have changed we don't gave that time to just be delicated to just that we have to earn a living but there are some very good ones
That’s not combat you’re still just doing choreographed drills
There is a difference between demonstration and an actual fight. And remember, this is not a sport like the MMA where the intent is to entertain. An actual fight goes so fast you wouldn’t be able to see anything.
@@ShaolinArtsAZ point is, it’s not an ‘actual’ fight and anything I’ve ever seen in tai chi which is mostly drills and grappling with some throws and locks… it belies its original name ‘supreme ultimate fist’ there’s no boxing, so it’s useless in a real fight against someone who can box
PLUS there’s no ground game, so if you get in a fight against someone who knows jujitsu you’re going to get taken down and destroyed. So not much use in real life
That’s why there are no tai chi champions of mma, they don’t have an adequate range of skills to combat a multifaceted warrior
Sure they can wave a sword in fancy ways and impress children and the gullible. But it’s an obsolete and gentrified ‘art’
The core principals of taichi combat are great, but it needs a serious overhaul and modernisation
@Shaolin Arts Kung Fu and Tai Chi Yay! someone whos actually showing the defense side of it for once!
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Sun Tzu stated, “When men go to war they use weapons.” Whether one is doing Tai Chi in a park or in a studio it’s their ability to fight that makes it effective. This ability may or may not be present in someone doing Tai Chi in the park, as it may or not be present in someone doing Tai Chi in a studio. To say a person doing Tai Chi in a park can’t defend themselves or if wanted, to effectively attack someone is totally not understanding reality.
Most can't tho
lunge punch?
Yup - practical application of park taichi.
There is only Tai Chi , a name is just a name
Ti chi is an art of circular motion .
Tai Chi does work for self-defense... but only if you want it to. (i.e.- Train with that intention.)
Footnotes? Non existent. Standing still against a real trained fighter? 😢😂😂😭
The attacker is walking into pain.
@@alfredspice3061 or knocking him out as many mma fighters have demonstrated with putative taiji MASTERS.
I wanna learn tai chi and go to a tai chi course but i am afraid its gonna be a washed up health Version
Most of the courses are yang tai chi wich is (according to Google) the health focused from the beginning Version that got even more reduced to park tai chi nowadays
Some couses are called "Traditional yang, but idk if its just fancy sounding, and thats kinda what i am worried about
Check out Adam Mizners online program. It's very authentic, and produces good results. I just came back from a seminar with him and it's truly amazing
was here.
so, since not many teachers teach real taijiquan that can be used to fight, who were your shifu's and from what lineage.
to be frank i saw nothing in your demos that hasn't been duplicated in a more realistic way from others.
I have to say, just based on this one video, it seems like decent instruction. I use multiple styles, so I have to watch more videos to feel the instructions out fully. I'm going to take a small leap of faith and practice this for a couple months. This ain't a small thing for me overall, tho. I'm really getting into actual situations, and although I know some Tai Chi, I need more instruction. I'll also be following another Shaolin channel for an earlier form and a wudang channel for conditioning. That's just what I've been doing since a kid. Before I even heard of MMA, I would pick and choose what felt right for me. Also, I usually choose instruction from people who are from the place that the art is from, but I do make exceptions if I think they have real passion for the art. Anyway... Thanks for the video.
You talk too much, way too much.
Yes, "park Tai Chi" is almost useless in self defence. I was not sure about your opening stance position guarding a quick knee strike to the groin after a possible dummy first punch?
I appreciate that T'ai Chi was originally developed as a martial art, but to denigrate anything that isn't what you call "Combat T'ai Chi" like that is just stupid. Respect people's choices and stop putting people down because they don't do or know what you do and know.
Very practical
Relaxed doesn't mean soft.
Combat Tai Chi is still stemmed religiously to "Park Tai Chi" The forms are as plain as day. It doesn't work against speed and power. But! so called "Combat Tai Chi " along with many other disciplines seem to have a fear against MMA, so they try to adapt. What would I like to see? You guys compete in the MMA using pure Tai Chi, oppose to using a fraction of MMA to win. Because I think Tai Chi has a chance. Wait. I take that back, with breathing and foundation and listening energy, it would be too slow.
My Tai Chi instructor once through me around like a rag doll using Grasp birds Tail. She was 8" shorter and 50# lighter. It was Wu style.
Australian pub tai chi is very good.
Real Gung fu/Tai Chi is up close.
I want to be like the Avatar learn more than one type of kung fu Papua Tai chi Shaolin when Chen
Its just another explaination training.... if you cant show your apps in sparring... its park stuff. Sorry
Where’s the footwork?
I think this is supposed to be a up close deflect technique kinda like a slip in
@@SilencerXLR8 there’s no body movement either🤷🏽♂️ Plus, if that’s the distance you’re working from then why not start from there?
Where is footwork? - In the next episode I guess, as a part of some other demonstration :).
When I watch MMA matches, I ask the opposite question.. why so much of wild running there and back across the octagon, and why so few fighters employs these "stand your ground and smash face" techniques.. they all seem to bet on distance and lucky strikes here and there. Its perhaps necessitated by the sport, I dont know.. but taichi doesn't work like this, and its not the only way to fight.
I actually practise my "combat readiness" with a drill in which I am forbidden to move from the spot, and I am forbidden to attack, while sparring partner is allowed to try to punch me and hurt me however he wishes. It looks similar like demontration on this video, just the partner is free to unleash rage and creativity. With proper kind of focus and attitude, its the attacker who gets hurt most of the time. Footwork doesn't mean "wild bouncing around". Standing well is also a skill.
@@aiwasskindergarden7077 the only time you should stand still is if you’re forced to. Leaving yourself in range of being struck when there’s no need is idiocy 😁
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma you seem to be an expert, so what can I say. I have no intention to argue about this on youtube. But if you come around canary islands one day, I will be happy to show you what I mean. You said "if there is no need". Obviously, the need here would be the intention to neutralise your stupid face without asking your permission, and opening. There is anecdote to describe that - "if my oponent is still, I am still. if my oponent attacks, I already responded." Works in fight, aswell as communication. You are already turning around stumbling across your prejudice and limited knowledge.