I think I recognize some of these throws from Japanese counterparts. At 1:21 maybe an o soto otoshi (judo) attempt that didn't go as planned? At 1:31 it looks like a variant of hachi mawashi (aikijujutsu) (I hit that a couple of times last night actually). 2:18 is an attempted o soto gari (judo) that slipped off but the guy went down anyway (already lost his balance by that point). Also hit that one last night from an outside overhook.
@@canaldesugestoesa6651 The posing was pretty rad though. I'm going to start being more theatrical every time I successfully throw someone instead of trying to follow them down for the submission.
@@kevintse2870 I wouldn’t either, I’m just identifying the technical analogs in judo and aikijujutsu. I’m not implying that he’s just using those styles and calling it tai chi, it just so happens that there are pretty good equivalents in other styles.
That was the coolest looking Tai Chi I’ve ever seen since Ip Man 4. Side note, Tai Chi guy has actually practiced Bajiquan and Nanquan for 3 years and even one year of Ninjutsu, while Baji guy has also practiced Mantis, Bagua, Xingyi, and Tai Chi, so both fighters have experience in each other’s specialty.
@@canaldesugestoesa6651 Sparring in these arts has been common since these arts were invented. People have been seeing the watered down or mass produced version given to the west and think it represented the real version of the art. You gotta understand, martial arts were always built for function. It's not just some new phenomenon since MMA.
@@The_true_Joe_mamaI thought the same way, until I saw a video of one of the creators of Sanda, who categorically stated that everyone knew that boxing is the best for fighting and can be added to any style, even karate.
Although the fight is between so-called kung fu masters with different styles, it often just ends up being an exchange of big punches, but the masters in this tournament put on an interesting fight.
Wow, there have been some major improvements in Kung Fu in its home country. In older fights, it often seemed like they were just flailing their arms, and the essence of Kung Fu was lost because it was never truly applied to real-life scenarios. Now, it looks like they are really starting to spar more and genuinely apply their art, reconstructing it in the process. For centuries, it felt like Kung Fu was all theory and forms, but today they are really focusing on its practical aspects. I believe Xu Xiaodong played a significant role in starting this revolution. I can't wait to see how these traditional arts evolve in the near future.
Yeah, I think this Keiten Aijin channel is going to keep bringing a lot of these traditional arts forward! And I'll keep finding cool clips to help in the movement to add nuance to the martial arts ;)
Kung Fu used to be legit under actual fighters and I am not just talking just sport but yes it became mostly theories and forms unfortunately because people dont have the time or dedication to learn and apply. People use MMA or Kickboxing as reference and this gives a narrow minded view of martial arts as a whole. Not every fight can be solved via knock out. Depending on the system Kung fu encompasses throws, locks, submissions, long and close fighting. Because its not gloved there are strikes beyond a simple fist. Xu Xiadong definitely gave people a wake up call on peoples actual skills and what is required. Form imho are just the first step of practice but is very limited. Its like a mma fighter practiving the same combination over and over again. Might have worked previous fights but eventually its not gonna have the same effect especially once people study it.
The ascension of Sanda also helped. Since it allows takedowns and throws from the traditional arts, it's being relearned to apply there. There are some videos of a Shaolin trained guy teaching Sanda children how to apply some of these moves
That was actually great. If only he had better striking, it would be what a complete version of what tai chi quan should look like from a martial perspective.
What an impressive display by Tai Chi guy! With a little head movement, a stronger guard, or better footwork, that’d be really interesting to see in a conventional full contact competition fight!
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I really like seeing this. Back in the 80s I took Tai Chi from a guy from China that also taught Kung Fu. There was quite a lot of mysticism that drew me in at the time, but doesn't make much sense to me now. I really like seeing that there are principles in Tai Chi that work under the right circumstances. I'd really be curious about the relationship between Tai Chi and Judo - though maybe the biggest difference is the amount of full contact sparring each competitor does. Very cool video and I definitely like seeing your channel in my feed! 👍
@@gnos1s171 you said that it has "no connection to Taiji", but if Wang Xiangzhai did incorporate his experiences with Taiji into Yiquan, then your initial statement would be false.
Tai Ki Ken is Yi Chuan. In this fight I saw Tai Chi chuan. The Baji-Mantis guy was very slow for the style which is usually extremely fast, and he is poorly grounded. Not a good representative of the styles. Tai Chi guy did fairly well.
Tai Chi guy seems to practice Chen Style; his movements (at the beginning before the fight) are from Erlu 二路. For some reason he adds a bit of stylistic flourish to his movements.
Bruh, just 6 months of boxing, 3 times a week and u beat both of them easily. At the same time. No need for extra 2 matches. Look how they lack even the most basic punching knowledge. They would get countered at the first "jab" they try to throw. Not that their punches are classified as a jab.
The Baji guy showed a part of the form Xiao Jia from Bajiquan and the Tai Chi was collecting his breath to get ready. The Tai chi guy used the grappling techniques the forms have, while the Baji was aggressive but did not stuck to the opponent to do takedowns or the famous Tie Shan Kao or the DingZhou/elbow strike
I like Bajiquan guy's lightning fast quick step low flick-kicks he uses to start combos. See when he steps out of the red, how he taps tai chi guy's shin first
The voting system seems wild to me, but interesting. Love the actual application of tai chi, this whole series has challenged my all my preconceived notions about this style!
tai chi if used in practical ways, it should look like judo meets aikido in a way. very likely to be similar like koryu jujitsu. they share similar principle anyway - tai chi and judo (seiryoku zenyo)
that was some decent taichi. decent Bajiquan too. Bajiquan guy needs to work on his range. the starting every combo with a kick thing is a strategy that works even if its predictable. f you are in range for the kick to properly land, if you can conceal the first kick enough that the defender doesnt retreat from it.
Check out Han Feilong, the Tai Chi Dragon. He has some really cool highlights. I’d have thought the baji guy would be more explosive, but it felt like neither were throwing as hard as they could. Are they discouraged from it in that format?
That's irrelevant because you're comparing apples to oranges. This is a competition that caters to specific rules and specific styles. It's not a Dog Brothers Gathering of the Pack event, it's not MMA, it's not Street Beefs, and it's not a parking lot brawl. It's style specific. I say this as someone who practices BJJ and MT but I can appreciate other combat sports within their own specific environment, context and rule sets.
That doesn't look like Tai chi to me Tai chi is knees and elbows and they look like beginners unless they have to hold back in these kinds of competitions because the guy in White didn't use his knees or his elbows and in Tai chi that's most used is this amateur competition because it sure looked like it
a lot of judokas in my dojo is so tai chi like. one of them take me down with de ashi harai four times in a roll without me even feel anything. it is almost zero gravity when he sweep me
This is a new format of chinese martial art competition. However the rules look like silat competition, with the fighter shows their strike first, and have counts on falling
The most underrated martial art is Fiore's Abrazzare or Fiore di Liberi, a martial art who was born in 15th century in the center of Italy. Good technicals,look a bit like wrestling and was first made to defend yourself against people wearing daggers...
If you can't make it into a sports competition, then don't do it. Not be forced. Take aikido for example. He used it for real fighting, not for competition.
I'm glad to see Kung Fu and Tai Chi in contact tournaments, but this doesn't look at all like real combat. I didn't see any striking that would hurt someone. In fact, it looked more like a push hands event or a training exercise than a real fight.
Interesting video, would like to see either of these fight a boxer/kick boxer or judoka, wouldn’t be interested in BBJ fighter may as well throw them in a swimming pool and see who can do the most lengths
Idk if taichi would work in real life though, without a balance of strong punches and smooth deflection. It seems like the taichi guy here got punched a lot in the beginning just to trip the other guy. Without head gear, tripping others after getting punched 7 times doesn't seem like a good trade off. The bajiquan guy would most likely win without headgear since he was aiming at the head for knockout blows.
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I think I recognize some of these throws from Japanese counterparts. At 1:21 maybe an o soto otoshi (judo) attempt that didn't go as planned? At 1:31 it looks like a variant of hachi mawashi (aikijujutsu) (I hit that a couple of times last night actually). 2:18 is an attempted o soto gari (judo) that slipped off but the guy went down anyway (already lost his balance by that point). Also hit that one last night from an outside overhook.
@@elenchus The bajinquan fighter understood that punching and kicking is better than posing.
@@canaldesugestoesa6651 The posing was pretty rad though. I'm going to start being more theatrical every time I successfully throw someone instead of trying to follow them down for the submission.
@@elenchus I'll search up Hachi Mawashi.
I wouldn’t say it looked like judo.
@@kevintse2870 I wouldn’t either, I’m just identifying the technical analogs in judo and aikijujutsu. I’m not implying that he’s just using those styles and calling it tai chi, it just so happens that there are pretty good equivalents in other styles.
Finally, a fight between two fighters from the same fantasy world.
😄
When the developer balances the video game lol
🤣🤣🤣😂
They seem to be fighting on the moon...
Law of gravity becomes a suggestion when you do taichi
man i wish they fought on a green screen!! that would be sooo coool!!
0:20 Taikiken is not a Japanese version of Taijiquan, but of Yiquan.
Yeah, suddenly I remembered after I uploaded XDD
Yiquan was meant to be a distillation of the internal aspects at the core of all arts that its founder was exposed to, including Taiji.
That was the coolest looking Tai Chi I’ve ever seen since Ip Man 4. Side note, Tai Chi guy has actually practiced Bajiquan and Nanquan for 3 years and even one year of Ninjutsu, while Baji guy has also practiced Mantis, Bagua, Xingyi, and Tai Chi, so both fighters have experience in each other’s specialty.
Dude, shut up
really neat stuff. both guys actually looked pretty competent in their respective styles. interesting strikes from the baji guy
How ridiculous..
Finnally, They understood that sparring is necessary for the blows to be effective, otherwise they will continue to get hit.
Bro, i think these type of schools always existed. They just need more publishing. China is huge
@@canaldesugestoesa6651 Sparring in these arts has been common since these arts were invented. People have been seeing the watered down or mass produced version given to the west and think it represented the real version of the art.
You gotta understand, martial arts were always built for function. It's not just some new phenomenon since MMA.
Please do away with fixed step push hands competition. No one beats a sumo in this game.
@@ppp123asdf well if u don't have strength behind ur punches or kicks, irl is the same though
@@The_true_Joe_mamaI thought the same way, until I saw a video of one of the creators of Sanda, who categorically stated that everyone knew that boxing is the best for fighting and can be added to any style, even karate.
Although the fight is between so-called kung fu masters with different styles, it often just ends up being an exchange of big punches, but the masters in this tournament put on an interesting fight.
Wow, there have been some major improvements in Kung Fu in its home country. In older fights, it often seemed like they were just flailing their arms, and the essence of Kung Fu was lost because it was never truly applied to real-life scenarios. Now, it looks like they are really starting to spar more and genuinely apply their art, reconstructing it in the process. For centuries, it felt like Kung Fu was all theory and forms, but today they are really focusing on its practical aspects. I believe Xu Xiaodong played a significant role in starting this revolution. I can't wait to see how these traditional arts evolve in the near future.
Yeah, I think this Keiten Aijin channel is going to keep bringing a lot of these traditional arts forward! And I'll keep finding cool clips to help in the movement to add nuance to the martial arts ;)
They copy silat sparing rules
Kung Fu used to be legit under actual fighters and I am not just talking just sport but yes it became mostly theories and forms unfortunately because people dont have the time or dedication to learn and apply. People use MMA or Kickboxing as reference and this gives a narrow minded view of martial arts as a whole. Not every fight can be solved via knock out. Depending on the system Kung fu encompasses throws, locks, submissions, long and close fighting. Because its not gloved there are strikes beyond a simple fist. Xu Xiadong definitely gave people a wake up call on peoples actual skills and what is required. Form imho are just the first step of practice but is very limited. Its like a mma fighter practiving the same combination over and over again. Might have worked previous fights but eventually its not gonna have the same effect especially once people study it.
The ascension of Sanda also helped. Since it allows takedowns and throws from the traditional arts, it's being relearned to apply there. There are some videos of a Shaolin trained guy teaching Sanda children how to apply some of these moves
In almost all martial arts styles they flail their arms and their feet because martial arts are based on the art of deception
I wish everyone fought this way.. so i know i will never be in danger
😂😂😂
That was actually great. If only he had better striking, it would be what a complete version of what tai chi quan should look like from a martial perspective.
What an impressive display by Tai Chi guy! With a little head movement, a stronger guard, or better footwork, that’d be really interesting to see in a conventional full contact competition fight!
Short but interesting video, thanks Jerry …
This was definitely one of the better Tai Chi fight videos I have seen. Love how he redirected into throws. Wonderful.
Yes sir. Recommended video from Google newsfeed. 🎉
I really enjoy these clips. Long time martial artist here. Since 5yo when i found my 1st Karate book...then Kung Fu practitioner...most dedicated student...China traveler. 🙏 Shaolin Temple...invited me to be a Discipline ❤
I really like seeing this. Back in the 80s I took Tai Chi from a guy from China that also taught Kung Fu. There was quite a lot of mysticism that drew me in at the time, but doesn't make much sense to me now. I really like seeing that there are principles in Tai Chi that work under the right circumstances. I'd really be curious about the relationship between Tai Chi and Judo - though maybe the biggest difference is the amount of full contact sparring each competitor does. Very cool video and I definitely like seeing your channel in my feed! 👍
*goes to Japanese court
Interpreter: Don't worry, I can translate about half of everything they're saying.
I freaking love this channel, i had forgotten the name, gonna bookmark it this time
Thanks! Bell button helps too!
The best part of this match is how excited Jerry got! 😄
I like the headguard and grion protector for this kind of sparring. good for the Japanese always reserving Chinese culture
Taikiken Does not come from taiji, it comes from yi quan, As far as I know, it has no connection to taiji
Both have asian roots.
Yiquan was meant to be a distillation of the internal aspects at the core of all arts that its founder was exposed to, *including* Taiji.
@@maxisalas5249 So does muay Thai lol, that doesn't make muay Thai the same as Tai Chi.
@@tranquil_dude I thought it mainly came from xingyi quan, not taiji
@@gnos1s171 you said that it has "no connection to Taiji", but if Wang Xiangzhai did incorporate his experiences with Taiji into Yiquan, then your initial statement would be false.
This is so funny 😭 i had a great time watching it tho
More videos from this competition. It's like Tekken-lite IRL
Tai Ki Ken is Yi Chuan. In this fight I saw Tai Chi chuan.
The Baji-Mantis guy was very slow for the style which is usually extremely fast, and he is poorly grounded. Not a good representative of the styles. Tai Chi guy did fairly well.
So satisfying to see Tai Chi used effectively
Tai Chi guy seems to practice Chen Style; his movements (at the beginning before the fight) are from Erlu 二路. For some reason he adds a bit of stylistic flourish to his movements.
Bruh, just 6 months of boxing, 3 times a week and u beat both of them easily. At the same time. No need for extra 2 matches. Look how they lack even the most basic punching knowledge. They would get countered at the first "jab" they try to throw. Not that their punches are classified as a jab.
You know of more videos(or any) on the japanese form/adaptation of tai-chi?
Love the video as always
Doesn't look like an intense fight, BUT rather the most insane looking sparring with insanely good technique. WOW.
The amount of protective gear just makes this silly.
I like when the Tai chi guy actually blitzed with some punches for a moment
The refs and judges are having so much fun lol
They afraid to get hit on the face with those head gear they won't win against a boxer or kick boxer
The Baji guy showed a part of the form Xiao Jia from Bajiquan and the Tai Chi was collecting his breath to get ready.
The Tai chi guy used the grappling techniques the forms have, while the Baji was aggressive but did not stuck to the opponent to do takedowns or the famous Tie Shan Kao or the DingZhou/elbow strike
Yeah! Tie Shan Kao would have been awesome!
They both look so unstable. Too much time training drills and not enough grappling sparring. A judoka would have them upside down
Senza offesa ma questo combattimento sembra fatto da due principianti del primo anno di studio
assolutamente..sto canale pija x il culo il kung fu anche quando sembra apprezzarlo xD
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Combat drip (mandatory)
Wow! More of like this fights. Great!
I like Bajiquan guy's lightning fast quick step low flick-kicks he uses to start combos. See when he steps out of the red, how he taps tai chi guy's shin first
White needs more head defense. He would have lost after having been kod.
His redirect throw was nice.
Smaller dude was aggressive.
The voting system seems wild to me, but interesting. Love the actual application of tai chi, this whole series has challenged my all my preconceived notions about this style!
Kyokushin please Join...
tai chi if used in practical ways, it should look like judo meets aikido in a way. very likely to be similar like koryu jujitsu. they share similar principle anyway - tai chi and judo (seiryoku zenyo)
that was some decent taichi. decent Bajiquan too. Bajiquan guy needs to work on his range. the starting every combo with a kick thing is a strategy that works even if its predictable. f you are in range for the kick to properly land, if you can conceal the first kick enough that the defender doesnt retreat from it.
Fascinating!
I see very little Tai Chi Chuan here....
Yes!!! Also congratulations on finally removing your braces !!
Check out Han Feilong, the Tai Chi Dragon. He has some really cool highlights.
I’d have thought the baji guy would be more explosive, but it felt like neither were throwing as hard as they could. Are they discouraged from it in that format?
Taichi finally
Man they are so unathletic it's incredible
@@cryptobref i know especially the baiji guy. It’s kinda funny in a way.
loll they seem to be older is my partial guess
@@jaefrmbk2k the Baji guy is so out of shape it’s embarrassing.
2:20 - Taijiquan: the trip your opponent, and then VOGUE martial art.
Good to see the taiji
Nice to see they're wearing kudo armor
This is ridiculous. Neither one of these gentlemen could last 30 seconds in the ring with any of my 14-year-old students.
That's irrelevant because you're comparing apples to oranges. This is a competition that caters to specific rules and specific styles. It's not a Dog Brothers Gathering of the Pack event, it's not MMA, it's not Street Beefs, and it's not a parking lot brawl. It's style specific.
I say this as someone who practices BJJ and MT but I can appreciate other combat sports within their own specific environment, context and rule sets.
Sure thing, buddy.
@@arupaeo Your arrogance made you the only one ridiculous person here.
Can’t agree more with you
@@netherwhite4098 idk why everyone is so angry at him. He's completely right.
Like WTF have I just watched?
Like to untrained teenagers.😂
That doesn't look like Tai chi to me Tai chi is knees and elbows and they look like beginners unless they have to hold back in these kinds of competitions because the guy in White didn't use his knees or his elbows and in Tai chi that's most used is this amateur competition because it sure looked like it
Redirection Kata: weeping willow
I don't understand how they train all these techniques but the second they try to use them in combat, it all goes out the window.
Both of them used a judo leg sweep mutually to do anything effective
a lot of judokas in my dojo is so tai chi like. one of them take me down with de ashi harai four times in a roll without me even feel anything. it is almost zero gravity when he sweep me
Are there more matches like this from this event? Style vs style
Taikiken is really hard to find any information about, in Japan I tried to find some books about it but they were all out on print
tai chi won the drip contest
This is a new format of chinese martial art competition. However the rules look like silat competition, with the fighter shows their strike first, and have counts on falling
Looks like me fighting for the last shrimp in the buffet.
Me at the Ranch 99 trying to get moon cakes
0:24 taikiken is Japanese branch of yiquan Jerry.
Tai chi / Taiji is same name in Japan branch.
И я столько лет потратил на эту ерунду..да тут выйдет боксёр,кикбоксёр,муай-тай и похоронит этих "мастеров"..
Not bad!
More of Tai Chi!!!
Great Tai Chi moves.
This is dancing😂😂😂😂
Wtf 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nice. Seems like a San Shou match, but with long pants and shirts.
Gut in white warm up look Chen style tai chi
The most underrated martial art is Fiore's Abrazzare or Fiore di Liberi, a martial art who was born in 15th century in the center of Italy.
Good technicals,look a bit like wrestling and was first made to defend yourself against people wearing daggers...
Any one know what Tai Chi guy's outfit is called?
The helmet wore him out.
So what's the the secret in the tai chi throw thingy? 🙂
It's not "Tai Chi", it's 'Chen Tai Chi', Tai Chi is not meant for combat, but is as beneficial as hatha yoga, pilates, or ballet.
Those two masters don't seem to have spent that much time in combat... Great posing but in terms of technique?.....
What degree of contact was allowed in this ruleset?
Interesting how slow they started
Guy in black has the cardio of a pack of hotdogs.
@@UnskilledGrappler lol..that was a surreal comment
Apparently this isn't like a movie.
Please include a link to, or explanation of the rules.
💀..You are Perceptive✨️
Slo mo battle! ❤😂
If you can't make it into a sports competition, then don't do it. Not be forced. Take aikido for example. He used it for real fighting, not for competition.
I'm glad to see Kung Fu and Tai Chi in contact tournaments, but this doesn't look at all like real combat. I didn't see any striking that would hurt someone. In fact, it looked more like a push hands event or a training exercise than a real fight.
Baji guy needs cardio, he got freaking gassed
_"Your momentum is wrong.... I will Redirect you."_ 😎
(("Like if you ever hear someone say that.. Back Up😅 Recalibrate..."))
They looks like 80 years old
Interesting video, would like to see either of these fight a boxer/kick boxer or judoka, wouldn’t be interested in BBJ fighter may as well throw them in a swimming pool and see who can do the most lengths
I guess the black uniform guy is “Baji tanglang” from Su Yuchang? GM Su was pretty popular in Japan
Tell me more!
REALLYYY!!!!!!!!
I'd fight both of them at the same time and I've never fought
BL would have a thing to say about the shape of of the guy in black.
I think tai chi guy Don't know how to use Chui (Punching) and his best move is Palm Attack. But the rules ban him
From the movements of the beginning it looks like Chen style. Taikiken isnt Taji its YiQuan.
slipping & side-stepping seem to be markedly needed but absent
Idk if taichi would work in real life though, without a balance of strong punches and smooth deflection. It seems like the taichi guy here got punched a lot in the beginning just to trip the other guy. Without head gear, tripping others after getting punched 7 times doesn't seem like a good trade off. The bajiquan guy would most likely win without headgear since he was aiming at the head for knockout blows.