SO GLAD YOU COVERED THIS! Extra info: Jeremy and Sheila were adopted, and not actually blood family. June was religious to the point of of obsession. Jeremy didn’t really want to take over the family business and run the farm, he was more interested in cars, women and drinking. Sheila hated guns. The police didn’t enter the property for hours and hours as they thought they saw a curtain twitch in the farm house window, they assumed the shooter was still alive. Jeremy also called his girlfriend before he called the police, and even then he didn’t ring 999, the emergency number. He instead rung the local,police office number. I’ve been obsessed with this case for years. Read all the books. And I still don’t know what to believe. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts. I spent my whole street in criminal justice. I specialised in working with murderers, so I would like to think I’m quite well informed. But I really really don’t know what the truth is. I lean towards the brother though.
Sorry, ALSO forgot to mention that Jeremy said he had been shooting rabbits that night. Hence his fingerprints and his gun out. AND it was reported that the night of the shootings, June allegedly told Sheila that she was going to go for custody of the two young boys, as Sheila was incapable of being a good mum because of her mental illness.
@UCHUwjt9vWbqf_YrbtyoDE9w ? ELEANOR SAID SHIT LOL 😆 JUST WANTED TO CALL HER OUT AND JOKE AROUND I HAVEN'T HEARD HER USE A CUSS WORD EVER SO IT WAS A FUNNY FIND ....
One of the weirdest things to me is how they say Sheila's motive was to kill her mother. Her mother sustained the least injuries and the least brutal death with only one gunshot rather than 8 with her father and 8 between the two boys. That to me makes it so obvious that she did not do it.
That was my thoughts too. Whoever the killer is, they (Jeremy) were gentle with the mother. Sheila wouldn’t have been. The dad suffered and the boys suffered. The mom was shot once; she was not made to suffer nor was a victim of overkill.
honestly this case is just so devastating to me. i just can’t imagine being a victim of a crime and then getting your own intrusive thoughts used against you to frame you as the perpetrator
Don't understand why people believe Jeremy. He stood to gain so much wealth. Money makes people do the unthinkable, and this is definitely what happened here
SO GLAD YOU COVERED THIS! Extra info: Jeremy and Sheila were adopted, and not actually blood family. June was religious to the point of of obsession. Jeremy didn’t really want to take over the family business and run the farm, he was more interested in cars, women and drinking. Sheila hated guns. The police didn’t enter the property for hours and hours as they thought they saw a curtain twitch in the farm house window, they assumed the shooter was still alive. Jeremy also called his girlfriend before he called the police, and even then he didn’t ring 999, the emergency number. He instead rung the local,police office number. I’ve been obsessed with this for years. Read all the books. And I still don’t know what to believe. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts. I spent my whole street in criminal justice. I specialised in working with murderers, so I would like to think I’m quite well informed. But I really really don’t know what the truth is. I lean towards the brother though.
I'm of the opinion this is one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of the 21st century. An embittered girlfriend who realised Jeremy was no longer interested in staying in the relationship received an amazing pay off from a national newspaper and was integral into Jeremy being charged for a crime imo that he did not commit. A mentally ill sister (they were both adopted and both had different birth parents) who was not taking her medication. Covered up botched crime reports that were hidden! Extended family received the inheritance money which was gone through at lightening speed. There is a Jeremy Bamber group who are fighting to this day for evidence to be released which would prove his innocence. Just Google and links will come up. An absolute travesty
you don't need to lie about Sussex maps, there is always medicine for older roots over there.....Its OK! Just take the 3rd train at 12 o clock in the AM and you will be fine, at least the old ones will be....
I’ve never even considered anyone other than Jeremy for this. Schizophrenia rarely leads to murder, it was the father who received the most rage (overkill), the sister shot herself in neck… twice?! And Jeremy is the only one to benefit financially from the tragedy. Just to name a few basic reasons. This is easily a slam dunk!
Hi Elenor Neele. I've never heard of this case probaly because I live in U.S. I think Sheila or Jeremy, either one could've done the murder because they both had hatred toward their parents. Each had a motive of greed & jealousy of one another to see who the favorite child was obviously. Her mother was too fanatical, never making for a healthy enviroment in any situation. Peace, see you on the next video, love, Janine Smiley🙂😀😍😏😎✌👍♏🌌🌚👒👑🎶🎵👢🎩☕🎂☕🍫☕🥧☕🍰☕🍩💍💎
@@janinemccartha1811 How would greed be a motive in a suicide? All of the evidence was more than enough to get Jeremy put away for these horrible murders.
I don't even find it that hard to get the gun where he did if she was lying down. I'm not sure why that was an argument. Isn't that where you would probably place a gun if the person is lying down? I'd probably have to see the exact angles, but it doesn't sound like a weird placement to me considering her position. It sounds weirder for HER to be the one in that position doing it.
That said, I also don't think they have the evidence necessary to convict him. A lot of it is hearsay and circumstantial stuff, and it sounds like they destroyed most of the evidence immediately because they didn't collect it. So, I also just don't think they have what they need for a conviction, and he's convicted more because people think it's true than because they had the concrete evidence to prove it. Do I think it's quite probable? Yes. But I didn't hear anything convincing enough to convict. At least, not by the US justice system. I don't know about the UK.
considering both their fingerprints were on the silencer, it seems plausible that he pointed the gun at her, she grabbed the end of it to try to redirect the shot/pull it away from him, and they had a physical struggle over the gun that ended with him wrestling her to the ground and then shooting. that could potentially explain the awkward positioning.
@@emeryltekutsu4357 it doesn’t make sense that she’d have no blood on her feet if she was the one really walking around massacring people.. also hard to believe based on what she looks like that she’d be able to overpower and beat the dad not to mention the silencer being returned downstairs after the death. this is why we have a jury, some people may not see it the same and makeup excuses in their head but it’s quite obvious here that he did it.
@@lilybrown7265 ikr and if the argument was supposedly about sheila’s poor parenting… why would she then go and murder her children in response it just makes no sense
Me as soon as Eleanor says that the father allegedly calls the son to say the daughter was going crazy with the gun: “Guilty! The son did it!!” Seriously though, if your daughter is chasing people around the house with a gun trying to kill them, the call you make is to police emergency services,not your other child!?🤷♀️🤔
Actually, this may seem totally weird, but calling the police is not usually the first thought of wealthy English landowners. “Old money” types. They didn’t want policemen poking around their house, looking in all the cupboards and asking impertinent questions. That generation are also very private people and do not like being the subject of a scandal. The idea of calling another family member would be that they can come over and help and then help hush it up. “Keeping it in the family”. I know it sounds really strange to most people, but the first thought of wealthy landowners in England is often their reputation.
What I also found really strange is that Jeremy claims to have heard gunshots on the call with his dad. But since it is obvious that the silencer has been used, it’s clear that Jeremy must have lied about this too, to put the suspicion on his sister. You clearly can’t trust a single word this man says and has ever said.
Honestly, this is such a sad case. And the thing with Sheila's schizophrenia being an umbrella term reminds me of how I might've been diagnosed the same way if I'd been alive in the 80s because many autistic women were misdiagnosed with schizophrenia 🥺
I'm autistic too! I hate to think about the women misdiagnosed during that time and the horrors they went through. It's hard enough being autistic this day in age so I can't even imagine how rough it was then when women were never taken seriously and thrown in wards.
I mean it is a thing today, in my country autism is considered to be a children's diagnosis, and when you turn 18 in overnight it turns into schizophrenia. There's just a handful of specialists who are willing to diagnose it in adults (I was 22 at the time), and they're private, not state doctors.
@@hannahabbot4250 yeah, it is also kinda the case in russia. I was in a psychiatric hospital and had a severe sensory overload made worse by nurses. Most of the nurses there were actually really good, but this time it was a particularly unlucky shift for me. And they did compare me with schizophrenic patients afterword and in the moment, even though I said I was autistic and my psychiatrist believes it too, he just can't diagnose me bc I'm an adult
In the 70's and 80's, the medical establishment still believed autism was a male(AMAB)disorder and rarely occurred in females(AFAB). I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and my sister was diagnosed with depression and anxiety disorder. We were not appropriately diagnosed with autism until 20 years later. They are still learning how different autism presents in girls than boys.
Right as she said that sheila shot herself two times in the neck I knew it wasn’t possible for her to shoot herself two times in the neck, aswell as she said that her father had self defense wounds there’s no way Sheila could over power him as Eleanor said she was fragile and I knew it was Jeremy
if she was holding a rifle, absolutely she could have, he may have tried to wrestle it away from her. he wasn't a spring chicken. Marks on his back could have been from anything, maybe not even from that night. there's not enough forensic evidence here to know. and yes she could have shot herself twice. its happened before, she would have had to pull the trigger with her thumb because the rifle is backwards, your thumb would get stuck in the trigger and the first shot can cause a jerking reaction by the body and the thumb can pull the trigger again. triggers are super sensitive. the easiest way to do that with a rifle is lie down so you don't have to hold the weight of the rifle. like I said, not enough info about exactly how she was found. rifle lying on body or fallen away on floor???????? so we can't really make a decision. the blood on the silencer could have been from anytime, they didn't find it on the night or the next day. he finger prints were on it, so she has touched it at some point. and no one who plans out a murder like that takes a silencer off and hides it in the murder house. they get rid of it. he would have had to be an idiot to do that and were his finger prints on the gun. they should have been because he said it was left at the house for when he and his dad went shooting. Too much fluff evidence and nothing hard. O that alone, whether you think he did it or not, the justice system says, "without any doubt" is the only way a jury is able to convict.
@@jodienovello5881 although i agree with you that there’s not enough evidence to draw a confident conclusion when it comes to this case, this comment did brush over some pretty damning evidence. Sheila shooting herself twice, the silencer etc etc can all be answered for, albeit quite far fetched. however, Jeremy choosing the police station phone number (which would be an 11 digit phone number) over dialling 999 is very curious. not only that, but he didn’t call the station straight away either, he called his girlfriend between the time this alleged phone call from his dad happened and the phone call to the station, why would he call his girlfriend first? the dad being frantic about Sheila going ‘crazy’ with the gun around the house, but the twins being found in bed, not noticing the alleged commotion? i think Sheila’s blood being on the silencer is also being massively downplayed here. besides that, i’m with you, i don’t think there’s enough evidence to say it was definitely Jeremy, but i think he had a lot of explaining to do and absolutely no cover story for it.
@@lenamariejackson It was only a blood type that was found and if that’s the case I wonder if Jeremy was that same blood type because if he was he could of cut himself at some point using it another time?? Just playing devils advocate here.
@@blossomalchemy oh, i thought i heard Eleanor mention it was Sheila’s. even with that part ruled out, i think there’s still a lot of evidence working against Jeremy and very little explanation or defence for it.
Definitely was Jeremy in my opinion. It all just adds up, I feel like potentially he saw his sister’s schizophrenia diagnosis as a perfect ‘get out of jail free card.’
as someone with a history of mental health issues, Its always scared me that something bad could happen to me and people will go with suicide faster than most due to my past. scary to think that someone could frame my murder as suicide and it might be seen as just that.
That’s my worry too! I’ve had issues with suicide in the past, but now I’m so much healthier and well and I don’t believe (never say never I suppose) I’d ever think of suicide again since I’ve had a child. But it probably wouldn’t be that hard for someone to make it look that way!
Write a handwritten note stating just that and that you are dealing with past mental issues with therapy & medication and you are in a much more secure mental state now. (Discuss your concerns with your psychiatrist first of course.) Include your psychiatrist's name and contact info and have him/her read and co-sign the dated note. Store with your important papers and a copy placed in your medical records.
Eleanor! I have a case suggestion. The murder of Liam Aitchison(16years old) who had been stabbed 20 times and beaten on the Isle of Lewis. Two fishermen where convicted, Johnathan Mackinnon and Stefan Miller (both 22 years). It’s absolutely heartbreaking and I’ve never heard anybody talk about it with a platform. Love you Ellie 💕
Hi Ellie, just getting my case recommendations over to you again! Chad Isaak brutally murdered 4 people with no known motive. Was tried and convicted, unalived himself in prison, and now his former attorneys are trying to argue his appeal and get his conviction overturned after his death. Savannah Greywind was 8 months pregnant when she went missing from her family's apartment. Tragic story, terrible police work, and a happy ending. If people could like this comment to get her attention, I would greatly appreciate it!!!
@Land_shark_man depends on the rifle I would think. Some rifles come with so much power that it would fly out of your hand unless you propped it against a wall to contain the jolt.
As soon as you mentioned the fight wounds on the dad I knew it had to have been Jeremy; Sheila was just too petite to have been able to physically manhandle a grown man and make him fight back like that. Now, I don't know enough about schizophrenia to say whether or not she potentially could've done it during an episode, but it doesn't seem plausible -- and all the other evidence lines up against Jeremy anyway.
the way the story was going i was really scared that jeremy was going to get a not guilty verdict and that he would’ve gotten away with pinning it on sheila
@rengokuenthusiast9273 I apologise for only just seeing this, but I found it easy, you just have to keep up with revision of terms and case examples! But yeah, overall, I found it to be my easiest course.
He definitely did it. Also, he could have removed the silencer because he realized it would be odd for someone about to kill themselves to bother using one.
I think the fact that sheila had 2 shots on the neck is very telling. It is very unlikely for a person to be able to shoot themselves twice in the thorat. Even if possible physically i dont think it is possible mentally the survival instinct just doesnt let you. And also yeah of course all the evidence on the window and the silencer. Sheila was just the perfect escape goat since she was struggling with her mental health.
The exact same as believing Ellen Greenberg could stab herself 20 times, 10 of those being in the back of her head and neck. Some of these cases just baffled me.
The police caused the second shot to Sheila. Its was a police training team that went in that morning . It's 100% fact but covered up (like most of this case) by essex police . Essex police done a really s#it job on this case . The cop that done most of the cover up ended up working for the bambers and earnt a fortune. Imo Sheila did do it but the other side of the family saw ££ signs so framed jeremy . This case is still with the CCRC hopefully there will be more information and another court case in the future
I agree but i know what im going talk about is not really about the video. But if someone shoot themselves wouldnt the gun go off if the gun drops? Correct me if i’m wrong
I don't understand how some people think Jeremy is innocent. It is 100% obvious he is the killer. I love your videos Eleanor. I have a case suggestion. Could you cover the case of Eve Carson? It really affected me and tore at my heart. Hello from a fan in Canada ♥️
I hear the same cases on crime channels but I believe Eleanor always words the best, she is just so respectful but she has a cheerful mood because she knows how these cases affect so many people ❤
I remember watching the TV series on this on ITV and I looked into it more once I'd watched it. It's so so sad that he used his sister's mental illness against her and used it to frame her for the murders, absolutely disgusting behaviour. I lurk in the comments a lot, but I just wanted to say that I love how respectful you are telling these cases, you are amazing. I also want to put forward a case that I would absolutely love you to cover as its very personal to me. My brother Neil Jones was murdered in 2009 and I'd absolutely love for you to cover it. The vile person that killed him actually was released from prison and went on to commit 3 more attempted murders and is currently in prison for life. If you could reach out to me and cover this, it would mean the world to me🖤
@@niksha9608 hi, yeah I can tell you, I've kinda learned to just openly talk about it rather than getting upset etc. So he didn't live with us as he was 28, married and had kids and he lived in Bedfordshire, UK (we live near Newcastle in the UK, so a good 4 hours travel) and April 30th 2009, he rang my mam to say that he was coming up to surprise me and my younger brother as he'd broke up with his wife and wanted to come and stay with us for a while to work things out. Little did my mam know that he was already up our end of the country and he'd went to see some friends from school at a house party. Early hours of May 1st 2009, he got into a little bit of an argument with someone. Now I'm not going to sit here and say my brother was an angel because he wasn't, they got into an argument over weed of all things. The man he was arguing with accused my brother of stealing his stash and he never did, my brother told him to back off and just leave it, to which the other person (his name is Liam Keith Hall) proceeded to attack my brother. Now Liam was a cage fighter at the time (he's since had his fighting license revoked) and he brutally attacked my brother, punched him once in the temple and it automatically killed him, he then proceeded to jump on top of my brother's body and punch his face some more when he was already dead. He fled into the woods and it was his family that handed him into the police. I was 9 when this happened, my younger brother being 7 and he had a daughter at only 4 years old. If you want to read about it, here is one of the many news articles: www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/fourth-man-arrested-connection-death-1453895 Thank you for taking interest in his case, I'd absolutely love one day for Eleanor to cover it 💕
Thank you for bringing this case to our attention Eleanor. I appreciate the way that you focus on the victims in the cases that you cover because tragically, a lot of times people remember the perpetrators more than they remember the innocent people that had their lives taken away from them far too soon. And I think justice was served.
It’s honestly amazing how respectful you stay while filming these videos. No matter how disgusting the case or the person, you never say anything to belittle the person who did it and always stay respectful while talking about them. I’d get so angry talking about them
I was **immediately** suspicious of Jeremy. What brother/son would call the police based on an assumption that his family was dead --- murdered by his sister? The daughter/sister/mother is painted as unstable, so that explains this sadistic bloodshed? Without being home, Jeremy, knows something horrible happened, he's frantic to get there, and he KNOWS who did it!! In spite of UK folks being so sweetly mannered and not harsh skeptics (lol, like us bitter Americans), I thought it weird the police were so quick to wrap up the initial murder-suicide.
I’ve actually just started going back and watching the series with Mark Addy and Stephen Graham. It truly is a sad story and I find it so unbelievable that Jeremy would commit these horrible murders out of greed and just go on with life as usual after the murders were committed. Good on Anne (the cousin) and Stan Jones (the police detective that Mark Addy played) for doing what the police failed to do. If it wasn’t for them, Jeremy would have never been caught and sentenced to life in prison.
My grandad was a prison officer at Wormeood Scrubs while he was there. He got on with most of the prisoners there as long as they didn't give him any trouble but he always said Bamber was the only one he couldn't stand.
i appreciate your content warnings being specific. I cant handle any cruelty to animls, i cant tell you how many shows i watch and its just blurted out. I hate it. This is just one reason why you are my favorite crime youtube channel. ✌💜
i was wondering when you were gonna do a video on this case. such a crazy case to me, the fact he used his sisters mental health and her struggles to pin it on her after brutally killing her😕
This happened in my village, before I was born but me and my pals were obsessed with the story and would often walk to the house, to spook each other out. Local people are really split over whether or not he did it... I personally think he did. But people who knew him said he was not the kind of person capable! But who knows... Heart breaking for the two boys.
Edit: who else waits for Eleanor to upload? Thank you for all the research you do! I know it’s not easy, but you cover everything PERFECTLY! Your energy is like no other… Best true crime channel out there! ❤️
I believe it was Jeremy, as soon as you said “she shot herself twice in the neck with a rifle” I was thinking exactly like you how did she manage to do it twice and I felt like she wouldn’t been able to reach the trigger. Such a sad case, but I’m glad he’s in jail for it
Yay just in time for relaxing after housework ❤ Thank you for being you Eleanor! Your hardwork and dedication to telling this cases with detail and compassion is not unseen!!!!
Oh I always listen while I do the household work xD I dunno, it motivates me the most ..! ( yeah, my adhd is stuck at becoming motivation kicks from true crime .. lol .. )
Eleanor I could literally spend the rest of my life with you! I love listening to you speak and you’re so beautiful but that’s not the entire reason why I’m here, your so very talented, your story telling abilities are stellar and your cases are so interesting and educational. Thanks for your channel, your a legend.
Something to note… Jeremy had the police burn things at the scene when they were collecting the bodies. Not sure of the context but he basically told them it would help him calm down. Sheila’s husband drive her to her parents house and said that the kids really didn’t like going there and we’re quite scared of there grandma as she was very strict and religious. Sheila and Jeremy were both adopted from different families
OMG I could listen to you say vitamin all day long lol your accent is everything to a country girl like me. Thank you for sharing this case, it's not often I come across a case that I haven't heard of before! You always deliver!
i remember seeing this story done by another youtuber but the way eleanor explains it is so much easier to keep up with and understand that it feels like a different case
I feel like her clutching the Bible is not something someone who is in a murderous rage would do. She was most likely terrified in her last moments asking god for strength or peace
i love you Eleanor ❣️ I've been watching you for 2 years now and you've always been so respectful and amazing with your videos and the cases you cover.
Just finished re-watching the Escape the Night series’. Always thought Ellie would be amazing on this! If they do another she would be my top pick to go on.
I believe it was the brother. The forensic evidence (the little there was indicates the sister was innocent). As Eleanor pointed out postpartum depression wasn’t understood back then. There was a time that even the mildest form of mental illness would have people think you’re a raving lunatic, the brother used that to his advantage.
The fact none of the family was his blood family makes me think he had no worries doing so. What a sad case, I feel especially sad for the 2 little boys who got caught up in this horrific crime
The second you said she shot herself with a rifle, I knew it couldn't have been her. Especially if she'd been holding a bible while she was doing it, it's rare those things are small. I think it's pretty clear Jeremy did it, and the fact that the police didn't immediately catch on that it was staged is shameful.
I really enjoy that you say "s#!÷" in your dialog, it makes you seem more relatable as if I'm hearing this case from a close friend rather than a documentary
I have already watched Kendall Rae cover this case. I have also already watched the mini series on this case, but because it's Eleanor Neale...how can I say no? She is an awesome true crime youtuber. I love her! ❤️
Only recently discovered your channel in the last few days but I have binged watched 5 videos so far and my watch later list has another 3. These stories are very intriguing, it's stocking to know people like this exist
I love watching true crime because I like how smart the police and the doctors are. They could use the littlest of evidence and find a series of suspects! And sometimes they find a little bit of evidence and expand it and make it into a whole new part of the crime. It’s also so brilliant how they can connect one thing to another like stacking bricks.
I believe he is guilty. Especially when you said she had the rifle in one hand and bible in the other hand, and shooting herself twice. The recoil of gun would have knocked it out of her hand. At least I think so for such a small person. She was holding her bible with the other.. I believe her father could have over powered her. Thank you Eleanor for another case well done.
Great story. I’ve watched multiple docs and read a couple books about this. People still quite divided about it even though it’s pretty obvious Jeremy did it.
ive never requested a case before but i was wondering if you could cover the murderer marcus volke. this case has had a lasting impact on me and i know you would do it well. it happened a few houses down from where i lived at the time in 2014 and i still remember the utter shock it brought to our city and particularly my street. we have a fairly low crime rate and this street is one of the wealthiest and safest areas in the city. i still cant believe we were all just going about our lives asuming a sewer drain had burst or something. its an awful case but i truly admire the level of respect you offer for the victims in the cases you cover.
I've always found it odd that in some of the post mortem photos of Sheila there's a bible next to her body with a letter sticking out the top (you can see it if you Google it. It's a pretty shocking photo though so be warned). The police first labelled this as a suicide note. They then lost it 😕
At that time Eleanor mentioned that one window was opened while all other entrances were closed, it had me questioning. Why would you lock everything and then leave one window open? I was like someone from inside (the killer) exited the manor through that window.
I'm so greatful for the thoughtful content warnings. I can usually handle the worst stuff these cases throw at us, but when it comes to animal cruelty I'm out. Anyone else?
I totally agree with what you said! Feeling totally normal while listening to multiple murders but when a pet is hurt I'm immediately crying 😂😂 (a pet is just an example, it can be a buffalo and I would feel the same)😅😊
The fact that the family member who found the silencer wanted to keep it quiet is very interesting. Why want to keep that on the down low if you believed the person responsible has already been found? Why at least not tell Jeremy if they thought he was completely innocent? It could be nothing but that was really odd to me an it seems like people were already doubting him.
imagine if the silencer was never found, or if the family member who found it hadn't have gave it to police jeremy would've probably never of been found guilty
i’ve been on a binge of your videos and came across this because i thought i’d watched it and it sounded so familiar. i realised that i have watched this before and it’s also a tv show that i’ve been trying to find since 2020 when it came out.
Wait so they thought this guy was someone that murdered his whole family and still they told him that his ex accused him of it? I highly doubt they got her any protection. Careless idiots
Hello Eleanor i love your videos. You help me learn about so many cases i never heard about, that's why i was wondering, whenever you can, can you do The Jeannette Tamayo Case. The only thing i heard from that case was that the little girl was really smart. Thank you so much for what you're doing. Keep it up!
you should look at the alex murdaugh case, it happened in my home state (sc)! the trial for it literally just ended, w/ a guilty verdict. he was a former lawyer from a very prominent family down here who killed his wife and his 22 year old son. there’s a lot of other shady, bad shit that went on involving his family. it’s really interesting, you should cover it!
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(She was doing shit for the town).... 👂 that and popped right up like did she just 🤬 lol kidding good laugh
SO GLAD YOU COVERED THIS! Extra info: Jeremy and Sheila were adopted, and not actually blood family. June was religious to the point of of obsession. Jeremy didn’t really want to take over the family business and run the farm, he was more interested in cars, women and drinking. Sheila hated guns. The police didn’t enter the property for hours and hours as they thought they saw a curtain twitch in the farm house window, they assumed the shooter was still alive. Jeremy also called his girlfriend before he called the police, and even then he didn’t ring 999, the emergency number. He instead rung the local,police office number.
I’ve been obsessed with this case for years. Read all the books. And I still don’t know what to believe. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts. I spent my whole street in criminal justice. I specialised in working with murderers, so I would like to think I’m quite well informed. But I really really don’t know what the truth is. I lean towards the brother though.
Sorry, ALSO forgot to mention that Jeremy said he had been shooting rabbits that night. Hence his fingerprints and his gun out. AND it was reported that the night of the shootings, June allegedly told Sheila that she was going to go for custody of the two young boys, as Sheila was incapable of being a good mum because of her mental illness.
@@beethimbles8801 !1
@UCHUwjt9vWbqf_YrbtyoDE9w ? ELEANOR SAID SHIT LOL 😆 JUST WANTED TO CALL HER OUT AND JOKE AROUND I HAVEN'T HEARD HER USE A CUSS WORD EVER SO IT WAS A FUNNY FIND ....
One of the weirdest things to me is how they say Sheila's motive was to kill her mother. Her mother sustained the least injuries and the least brutal death with only one gunshot rather than 8 with her father and 8 between the two boys. That to me makes it so obvious that she did not do it.
Right it makes so much sense it was definitely a cover up
Exactly what I was thinking
Thought the same thing!!
That was my thoughts too. Whoever the killer is, they (Jeremy) were gentle with the mother. Sheila wouldn’t have been. The dad suffered and the boys suffered. The mom was shot once; she was not made to suffer nor was a victim of overkill.
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I TBOUGHT
honestly this case is just so devastating to me. i just can’t imagine being a victim of a crime and then getting your own intrusive thoughts used against you to frame you as the perpetrator
Yeah, being framed for your own murder is such a level of messed up that it had never even occurred to me as something that would be possible.
Don't understand why people believe Jeremy. He stood to gain so much wealth. Money makes people do the unthinkable, and this is definitely what happened here
so scary to think how we might’ve never known the truth if that silencer was never found
Right? Shout out to David for turning that in right away.
It's a suppressor, but yes
@@nthgth they're exactly the same thing. 💀
@@nthgth suppressor and silencer is the exact same thing😭
Always go snooping around is the moral of the story ig lmao
SO GLAD YOU COVERED THIS! Extra info: Jeremy and Sheila were adopted, and not actually blood family. June was religious to the point of of obsession. Jeremy didn’t really want to take over the family business and run the farm, he was more interested in cars, women and drinking. Sheila hated guns. The police didn’t enter the property for hours and hours as they thought they saw a curtain twitch in the farm house window, they assumed the shooter was still alive. Jeremy also called his girlfriend before he called the police, and even then he didn’t ring 999, the emergency number. He instead rung the local,police office number.
I’ve been obsessed with this for years. Read all the books. And I still don’t know what to believe. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts. I spent my whole street in criminal justice. I specialised in working with murderers, so I would like to think I’m quite well informed. But I really really don’t know what the truth is. I lean towards the brother though.
I'm of the opinion this is one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of the 21st century. An embittered girlfriend who realised Jeremy was no longer interested in staying in the relationship received an amazing pay off from a national newspaper and was integral into Jeremy being charged for a crime imo that he did not commit. A mentally ill sister (they were both adopted and both had different birth parents) who was not taking her medication. Covered up botched crime reports that were hidden! Extended family received the inheritance money which was gone through at lightening speed. There is a Jeremy Bamber group who are fighting to this day for evidence to be released which would prove his innocence. Just Google and links will come up. An absolute travesty
Appreciate the extra info! That definitely explains a lot of the aspects in this case, diving deeper into Jeremy’s thoughts.
Jeremy did it. He planned well but he absolutely killed them.
you don't need to lie about Sussex maps, there is always medicine for older roots over there.....Its OK! Just take the 3rd train at 12 o clock in the AM and you will be fine, at least the old ones will be....
She said the first two
I’ve never even considered anyone other than Jeremy for this.
Schizophrenia rarely leads to murder, it was the father who received the most rage (overkill), the sister shot herself in neck… twice?! And Jeremy is the only one to benefit financially from the tragedy. Just to name a few basic reasons.
This is easily a slam dunk!
Hi Elenor Neele. I've never heard of this case probaly because I live in U.S. I think Sheila or Jeremy, either one could've done the murder because they both had hatred toward their parents. Each had a motive of greed & jealousy of one another to see who the favorite child was obviously. Her mother was too fanatical, never making for a healthy enviroment in any situation. Peace, see you on the next video, love, Janine Smiley🙂😀😍😏😎✌👍♏🌌🌚👒👑🎶🎵👢🎩☕🎂☕🍫☕🥧☕🍰☕🍩💍💎
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What's up with all the emojis?
@@janinemccartha1811 How would greed be a motive in a suicide? All of the evidence was more than enough to get Jeremy put away for these horrible murders.
@emimia. IKR!plus WHY would she kill her own some as well if that was the motive
I find it interesting that the suicide was so perfectly set up, and who’s to say that she wasn’t forced to stage her own suicide?
Yeah in a " I'll let your kids live if you do this" way
I don't even find it that hard to get the gun where he did if she was lying down. I'm not sure why that was an argument. Isn't that where you would probably place a gun if the person is lying down? I'd probably have to see the exact angles, but it doesn't sound like a weird placement to me considering her position. It sounds weirder for HER to be the one in that position doing it.
That said, I also don't think they have the evidence necessary to convict him. A lot of it is hearsay and circumstantial stuff, and it sounds like they destroyed most of the evidence immediately because they didn't collect it. So, I also just don't think they have what they need for a conviction, and he's convicted more because people think it's true than because they had the concrete evidence to prove it.
Do I think it's quite probable? Yes. But I didn't hear anything convincing enough to convict. At least, not by the US justice system. I don't know about the UK.
considering both their fingerprints were on the silencer, it seems plausible that he pointed the gun at her, she grabbed the end of it to try to redirect the shot/pull it away from him, and they had a physical struggle over the gun that ended with him wrestling her to the ground and then shooting. that could potentially explain the awkward positioning.
@@emeryltekutsu4357 it doesn’t make sense that she’d have no blood on her feet if she was the one really walking around massacring people.. also hard to believe based on what she looks like that she’d be able to overpower and beat the dad not to mention the silencer being returned downstairs after the death. this is why we have a jury, some people may not see it the same and makeup excuses in their head but it’s quite obvious here that he did it.
I think it’s weird; If Sheila’s motive was hatred for her mother, it’s sus that her father was murdered so brutally and her mum was shot once.
And also they said that she loved her boys, so why would she kill them and shoot them so many times? Doesn’t really make sense…
@@lilybrown7265 ikr and if the argument was supposedly about sheila’s poor parenting… why would she then go and murder her children in response it just makes no sense
That was my first thought the moment it was mentioned that she and her mom didn't like each other!
Also, her kids.
Glad I'm not the only one who questioned that😂
Me as soon as Eleanor says that the father allegedly calls the son to say the daughter was going crazy with the gun: “Guilty! The son did it!!”
Seriously though, if your daughter is chasing people around the house with a gun trying to kill them, the call you make is to police emergency services,not your other child!?🤷♀️🤔
Agreed
Actually, this may seem totally weird, but calling the police is not usually the first thought of wealthy English landowners. “Old money” types. They didn’t want policemen poking around their house, looking in all the cupboards and asking impertinent questions. That generation are also very private people and do not like being the subject of a scandal. The idea of calling another family member would be that they can come over and help and then help hush it up. “Keeping it in the family”.
I know it sounds really strange to most people, but the first thought of wealthy landowners in England is often their reputation.
Exactly what I thought
What I also found really strange is that Jeremy claims to have heard gunshots on the call with his dad. But since it is obvious that the silencer has been used, it’s clear that Jeremy must have lied about this too, to put the suspicion on his sister. You clearly can’t trust a single word this man says and has ever said.
Ye I think so too
Honestly, this is such a sad case. And the thing with Sheila's schizophrenia being an umbrella term reminds me of how I might've been diagnosed the same way if I'd been alive in the 80s because many autistic women were misdiagnosed with schizophrenia 🥺
I'm autistic too! I hate to think about the women misdiagnosed during that time and the horrors they went through. It's hard enough being autistic this day in age so I can't even imagine how rough it was then when women were never taken seriously and thrown in wards.
I mean it is a thing today, in my country autism is considered to be a children's diagnosis, and when you turn 18 in overnight it turns into schizophrenia. There's just a handful of specialists who are willing to diagnose it in adults (I was 22 at the time), and they're private, not state doctors.
@@hannahabbot4250 yeah, it is also kinda the case in russia. I was in a psychiatric hospital and had a severe sensory overload made worse by nurses. Most of the nurses there were actually really good, but this time it was a particularly unlucky shift for me. And they did compare me with schizophrenic patients afterword and in the moment, even though I said I was autistic and my psychiatrist believes it too, he just can't diagnose me bc I'm an adult
In the 70's and 80's, the medical establishment still believed autism was a male(AMAB)disorder and rarely occurred in females(AFAB). I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and my sister was diagnosed with depression and anxiety disorder. We were not appropriately diagnosed with autism until 20 years later. They are still learning how different autism presents in girls than boys.
They had to give a serious diagnosis for insurance and to keep the patient involuntarily so schizophrenia became the go-to diagnosis
Right as she said that sheila shot herself two times in the neck I knew it wasn’t possible for her to shoot herself two times in the neck, aswell as she said that her father had self defense wounds there’s no way Sheila could over power him as Eleanor said she was fragile and I knew it was Jeremy
if she was holding a rifle, absolutely she could have, he may have tried to wrestle it away from her. he wasn't a spring chicken. Marks on his back could have been from anything, maybe not even from that night. there's not enough forensic evidence here to know. and yes she could have shot herself twice. its happened before, she would have had to pull the trigger with her thumb because the rifle is backwards, your thumb would get stuck in the trigger and the first shot can cause a jerking reaction by the body and the thumb can pull the trigger again. triggers are super sensitive. the easiest way to do that with a rifle is lie down so you don't have to hold the weight of the rifle. like I said, not enough info about exactly how she was found. rifle lying on body or fallen away on floor???????? so we can't really make a decision. the blood on the silencer could have been from anytime, they didn't find it on the night or the next day. he finger prints were on it, so she has touched it at some point. and no one who plans out a murder like that takes a silencer off and hides it in the murder house. they get rid of it. he would have had to be an idiot to do that and were his finger prints on the gun. they should have been because he said it was left at the house for when he and his dad went shooting. Too much fluff evidence and nothing hard. O that alone, whether you think he did it or not, the justice system says, "without any doubt" is the only way a jury is able to convict.
@@jodienovello5881 although i agree with you that there’s not enough evidence to draw a confident conclusion when it comes to this case, this comment did brush over some pretty damning evidence. Sheila shooting herself twice, the silencer etc etc can all be answered for, albeit quite far fetched. however, Jeremy choosing the police station phone number (which would be an 11 digit phone number) over dialling 999 is very curious. not only that, but he didn’t call the station straight away either, he called his girlfriend between the time this alleged phone call from his dad happened and the phone call to the station, why would he call his girlfriend first? the dad being frantic about Sheila going ‘crazy’ with the gun around the house, but the twins being found in bed, not noticing the alleged commotion? i think Sheila’s blood being on the silencer is also being massively downplayed here. besides that, i’m with you, i don’t think there’s enough evidence to say it was definitely Jeremy, but i think he had a lot of explaining to do and absolutely no cover story for it.
Agreed 100%!
@@lenamariejackson It was only a blood type that was found and if that’s the case I wonder if Jeremy was that same blood type because if he was he could of cut himself at some point using it another time?? Just playing devils advocate here.
@@blossomalchemy oh, i thought i heard Eleanor mention it was Sheila’s. even with that part ruled out, i think there’s still a lot of evidence working against Jeremy and very little explanation or defence for it.
Definitely was Jeremy in my opinion. It all just adds up, I feel like potentially he saw his sister’s schizophrenia diagnosis as a perfect ‘get out of jail free card.’
i remember watching a documentary on thus a few years ago and they spoke abt it being him a lot more
as someone with a history of mental health issues, Its always scared me that something bad could happen to me and people will go with suicide faster than most due to my past. scary to think that someone could frame my murder as suicide and it might be seen as just that.
That’s my worry too! I’ve had issues with suicide in the past, but now I’m so much healthier and well and I don’t believe (never say never I suppose) I’d ever think of suicide again since I’ve had a child. But it probably wouldn’t be that hard for someone to make it look that way!
Yeah exactly! Or if I end up going missing and the police just think i ran away 😖
It’s kind of how back in the 30s-90s they would blame black people for random crimes
Write a handwritten note stating just that and that you are dealing with past mental issues with therapy & medication and you are in a much more secure mental state now. (Discuss your concerns with your psychiatrist first of course.) Include your psychiatrist's name and contact info and have him/her read and co-sign the dated note. Store with your important papers and a copy placed in your medical records.
I have bpd and cptsd, a history of self harm, and dissociative episodes.
I feel you
Eleanor! I have a case suggestion. The murder of Liam Aitchison(16years old) who had been stabbed 20 times and beaten on the Isle of Lewis. Two fishermen where convicted, Johnathan Mackinnon and Stefan Miller (both 22 years). It’s absolutely heartbreaking and I’ve never heard anybody talk about it with a platform. Love you Ellie 💕
Aeva that sounds like an interesting case.Could you please do it Eleanor 🤗
Please Eleanor it needs cover
@@joannerutledge6508 it’s really interesting! I’ve never seen anybody cover Liams case and Elenor would 100% do it justice
Also commenting so hopefully she sees
@@katieelizabeth834 thank you! Xx
Hi Ellie, just getting my case recommendations over to you again! Chad Isaak brutally murdered 4 people with no known motive. Was tried and convicted, unalived himself in prison, and now his former attorneys are trying to argue his appeal and get his conviction overturned after his death.
Savannah Greywind was 8 months pregnant when she went missing from her family's apartment. Tragic story, terrible police work, and a happy ending.
If people could like this comment to get her attention, I would greatly appreciate it!!!
I'm only about 15 minutes in but I appreciate the empathy you used in describing Shiela. You're really good for that.
They found her holding the gun and a bible after shooting herself twice in the neck 👀 and actually thought that was a suicide? Seriously?
And with a rifle lol not like, a handgun. You’d need two hands to hold it to aim especially at yourself
@@ambernailling2658 Exactly.. she would need some Inspector Gadget arms for something like that. SMH
@@ambernailling2658 no you can hold it to you neck and it would stay
@Land_shark_man depends on the rifle I would think. Some rifles come with so much power that it would fly out of your hand unless you propped it against a wall to contain the jolt.
As soon as you mentioned the fight wounds on the dad I knew it had to have been Jeremy; Sheila was just too petite to have been able to physically manhandle a grown man and make him fight back like that. Now, I don't know enough about schizophrenia to say whether or not she potentially could've done it during an episode, but it doesn't seem plausible -- and all the other evidence lines up against Jeremy anyway.
As soon as she said, the dad called him immediately, while they attack was happening and not the cops I suspected him
the way the story was going i was really scared that jeremy was going to get a not guilty verdict and that he would’ve gotten away with pinning it on sheila
This case was part of my final coursework for my Criminology A level! It's definitely an interesting one to research.
this is super random, but is criminology a hard course at all?
@rengokuenthusiast9273 I apologise for only just seeing this, but I found it easy, you just have to keep up with revision of terms and case examples!
But yeah, overall, I found it to be my easiest course.
@@missfail_ no worries! and thank you for answering!
He definitely did it. Also, he could have removed the silencer because he realized it would be odd for someone about to kill themselves to bother using one.
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I think the fact that sheila had 2 shots on the neck is very telling. It is very unlikely for a person to be able to shoot themselves twice in the thorat. Even if possible physically i dont think it is possible mentally the survival instinct just doesnt let you. And also yeah of course all the evidence on the window and the silencer. Sheila was just the perfect escape goat since she was struggling with her mental health.
The exact same as believing Ellen Greenberg could stab herself 20 times, 10 of those being in the back of her head and neck. Some of these cases just baffled me.
Scapegoat.
The police caused the second shot to Sheila. Its was a police training team that went in that morning . It's 100% fact but covered up (like most of this case) by essex police . Essex police done a really s#it job on this case . The cop that done most of the cover up ended up working for the bambers and earnt a fortune. Imo Sheila did do it but the other side of the family saw ££ signs so framed jeremy . This case is still with the CCRC hopefully there will be more information and another court case in the future
I agree but i know what im going talk about is not really about the video. But if someone shoot themselves wouldnt the gun go off if the gun drops? Correct me if i’m wrong
@@sto3914For sure. Recoil is powerful, especially on a rifle.
I don't understand how some people think Jeremy is innocent. It is 100% obvious he is the killer. I love your videos Eleanor. I have a case suggestion. Could you cover the case of Eve Carson? It really affected me and tore at my heart. Hello from a fan in Canada ♥️
2 videos within 1 week is a blessing! Thank you for your effort, Eleanor ♥️
I hear the same cases on crime channels but I believe Eleanor always words the best, she is just so respectful but she has a cheerful mood because she knows how these cases affect so many people ❤
I remember watching the TV series on this on ITV and I looked into it more once I'd watched it. It's so so sad that he used his sister's mental illness against her and used it to frame her for the murders, absolutely disgusting behaviour.
I lurk in the comments a lot, but I just wanted to say that I love how respectful you are telling these cases, you are amazing.
I also want to put forward a case that I would absolutely love you to cover as its very personal to me. My brother Neil Jones was murdered in 2009 and I'd absolutely love for you to cover it. The vile person that killed him actually was released from prison and went on to commit 3 more attempted murders and is currently in prison for life. If you could reach out to me and cover this, it would mean the world to me🖤
can you tell me more about your brothers case? i understand if youre not comfortable talking about it
@@niksha9608 hi, yeah I can tell you, I've kinda learned to just openly talk about it rather than getting upset etc. So he didn't live with us as he was 28, married and had kids and he lived in Bedfordshire, UK (we live near Newcastle in the UK, so a good 4 hours travel) and April 30th 2009, he rang my mam to say that he was coming up to surprise me and my younger brother as he'd broke up with his wife and wanted to come and stay with us for a while to work things out. Little did my mam know that he was already up our end of the country and he'd went to see some friends from school at a house party. Early hours of May 1st 2009, he got into a little bit of an argument with someone. Now I'm not going to sit here and say my brother was an angel because he wasn't, they got into an argument over weed of all things. The man he was arguing with accused my brother of stealing his stash and he never did, my brother told him to back off and just leave it, to which the other person (his name is Liam Keith Hall) proceeded to attack my brother. Now Liam was a cage fighter at the time (he's since had his fighting license revoked) and he brutally attacked my brother, punched him once in the temple and it automatically killed him, he then proceeded to jump on top of my brother's body and punch his face some more when he was already dead. He fled into the woods and it was his family that handed him into the police. I was 9 when this happened, my younger brother being 7 and he had a daughter at only 4 years old. If you want to read about it, here is one of the many news articles: www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/fourth-man-arrested-connection-death-1453895 Thank you for taking interest in his case, I'd absolutely love one day for Eleanor to cover it 💕
Sorry for replying a year later, but if you’d still like for her to cover it, use the request a case section in the description!
Thank you for bringing this case to our attention Eleanor. I appreciate the way that you focus on the victims in the cases that you cover because tragically, a lot of times people remember the perpetrators more than they remember the innocent people that had their lives taken away from them far too soon. And I think justice was served.
It’s honestly amazing how respectful you stay while filming these videos. No matter how disgusting the case or the person, you never say anything to belittle the person who did it and always stay respectful while talking about them. I’d get so angry talking about them
I was **immediately** suspicious of Jeremy. What brother/son would call the police based on an assumption that his family was dead --- murdered by his sister? The daughter/sister/mother is painted as unstable, so that explains this sadistic bloodshed? Without being home, Jeremy, knows something horrible happened, he's frantic to get there, and he KNOWS who did it!! In spite of UK folks being so sweetly mannered and not harsh skeptics (lol, like us bitter Americans), I thought it weird the police were so quick to wrap up the initial murder-suicide.
I’ve actually just started going back and watching the series with Mark Addy and Stephen Graham. It truly is a sad story and I find it so unbelievable that Jeremy would commit these horrible murders out of greed and just go on with life as usual after the murders were committed. Good on Anne (the cousin) and Stan Jones (the police detective that Mark Addy played) for doing what the police failed to do. If it wasn’t for them, Jeremy would have never been caught and sentenced to life in prison.
My grandad was a prison officer at Wormeood Scrubs while he was there. He got on with most of the prisoners there as long as they didn't give him any trouble but he always said Bamber was the only one he couldn't stand.
i appreciate your content warnings being specific. I cant handle any cruelty to animls, i cant tell you how many shows i watch and its just blurted out. I hate it. This is just one reason why you are my favorite crime youtube channel. ✌💜
Same
We have a snow day here, and I just laid my kids down for a nap. Time to clean while listening to the beautiful Eleanor. ❤️
Its heartbreaking the way that the two little boys were murdered 💔💔
any of them being murdered was heartbreaking.
Work of a sociopath, they don't have feelings.
We can only hope that they were peacefully unaware the whole time and slept soundly until they slipped away😔❤️
Eleanor and Jack, PLEASE never stop making this amazing content!!
Y’all are literally my favorite channel on TH-cam! ♥️♥️♥️
Absolutely love when Ellie posts
Thank you /j
Absolute love when Ellie says "multivitamin"
Why does she go by Ellie now?
@@cab4cab she said that’s what her fam and friends call her and on her second channel she goes by Ellie
@@cab4cab she’s always gone by Ellie in her private life and now that she vlogs, we’re hearing it more.
This took place really close to where I grew up, granted a couple of years before I was born but never heard about this until now. Great job Eleanor.
i was wondering when you were gonna do a video on this case. such a crazy case to me, the fact he used his sisters mental health and her struggles to pin it on her after brutally killing her😕
Spoiler but thanks lol
@@ejcovington7372 bro real people died, do you really care if it's a "spoiler"?
Evil! D:
@@ejcovington7372 these types of videos cant really be spoiled
Come on why are you spoiling it for us like that was real lame of you but I'm still going watch
wrote about this case in my dissertation and it’s absolutely heartbreaking
The minute I heard the sister had to 2 bullet wounds I just knew it didn’t make any sense to be a murder suicide
I've been waiting for you to cover this case! I will never get over this case, its insane.
3 minutes ago……
@@adiawolfe4346 yeah?
This happened in my village, before I was born but me and my pals were obsessed with the story and would often walk to the house, to spook each other out. Local people are really split over whether or not he did it... I personally think he did. But people who knew him said he was not the kind of person capable! But who knows... Heart breaking for the two boys.
Me too, I’ve researched this and have been obsessed with the story I’m convinced he did it.
What is “normal” anyway? People wear masks all the time and as we see so often in true crime, you can never fully know a person or their intentions.
@@LilacMorelli how ever much you think you know a person you never know what goes on in their head. Only you really know yourself.
Sociopaths tend to be able to hide their true selves easily so..
Edit: who else waits for Eleanor to upload?
Thank you for all the research you do! I know it’s not easy, but you cover everything PERFECTLY! Your energy is like no other… Best true crime channel out there! ❤️
The mini series on this is definitely worth a watch too! It was such a frustrating case in terms of how it were handled
Where can you find it?:))
I believe it was Jeremy, as soon as you said “she shot herself twice in the neck with a rifle” I was thinking exactly like you how did she manage to do it twice and I felt like she wouldn’t been able to reach the trigger. Such a sad case, but I’m glad he’s in jail for it
Yay just in time for relaxing after housework ❤ Thank you for being you Eleanor! Your hardwork and dedication to telling this cases with detail and compassion is not unseen!!!!
Oh I always listen while I do the household work xD I dunno, it motivates me the most ..! ( yeah, my adhd is stuck at becoming motivation kicks from true crime .. lol .. )
Eleanor I could literally spend the rest of my life with you! I love listening to you speak and you’re so beautiful but that’s not the entire reason why I’m here, your so very talented, your story telling abilities are stellar and your cases are so interesting and educational. Thanks for your channel, your a legend.
Something to note… Jeremy had the police burn things at the scene when they were collecting the bodies. Not sure of the context but he basically told them it would help him calm down. Sheila’s husband drive her to her parents house and said that the kids really didn’t like going there and we’re quite scared of there grandma as she was very strict and religious. Sheila and Jeremy were both adopted from different families
OMG I could listen to you say vitamin all day long lol your accent is everything to a country girl like me. Thank you for sharing this case, it's not often I come across a case that I haven't heard of before! You always deliver!
The only confusing part of this case is how there are any significant number of people who still think this obvious murderer is innocent. Bizarre.
Ive been into true crime for a while now and I must say. You’re one of my favorite case narrators.
It's unsettling how many adopted children have murdered their adoption parents. 😲
Look at how many children have killed their biological parents how is that any different?
Who else?
i remember seeing this story done by another youtuber but the way eleanor explains it is so much easier to keep up with and understand that it feels like a different case
I remember a while ago ITV did a drama series of this case, I'd definitely recommend watching it. Absolutely heartbreaking case :(
I watched that, it was so creepy! And so frustrating too
Do you remember what it was called?
@@abbey2376I think it's called 'White House Farm' 😊
The TV drama series may have been good but, because I was involved in the last months of Sheila's life, I can tell you they made a number of mistakes.
@@jwsuicides8095 Yeahh sadly as it was a dramatised version of real life events I’m sure there were tons of inaccuracies 😓
Hello Eleanor, this is sad that those two little boys were killed for no reason, feel bad my heart goes out to them.
I feel like her clutching the Bible is not something someone who is in a murderous rage would do. She was most likely terrified in her last moments asking god for strength or peace
Or he just placed the bible in her hands after she was murdered, to make her look more crazy.
@@WouldntULikeToKnow.ye that would make the case way more crazy looking
I’ve been fishing at the lake near White House farm , when my dad told me murders took place there I looked up the case , I’m so glad your covering it
I was so nervous you were gonna say they blamed it on his sister, and he got away.
i love you Eleanor ❣️ I've been watching you for 2 years now and you've always been so respectful and amazing with your videos and the cases you cover.
I really was hoping you'd cover this case. I watched a documentary recently and was thinking I wonder if Eleanor would cover this case.
Just finished re-watching the Escape the Night series’. Always thought Ellie would be amazing on this! If they do another she would be my top pick to go on.
I believe it was the brother. The forensic evidence (the little there was indicates the sister was innocent). As Eleanor pointed out postpartum depression wasn’t understood back then. There was a time that even the mildest form of mental illness would have people think you’re a raving lunatic, the brother used that to his advantage.
My day always gets better when Eleanor posts a video ❤️
The fact none of the family was his blood family makes me think he had no worries doing so. What a sad case, I feel especially sad for the 2 little boys who got caught up in this horrific crime
What no they were both adopted and as a adopted person myself I could never kill my parents
@@land_shark_maw1048okay but that doesn’t mean he isn’t one
@@uglyjared4769 ok
Brazilian fan here! Thank you for your work. Best part of the day!
The second you said she shot herself with a rifle, I knew it couldn't have been her. Especially if she'd been holding a bible while she was doing it, it's rare those things are small.
I think it's pretty clear Jeremy did it, and the fact that the police didn't immediately catch on that it was staged is shameful.
I really appreciate the TWs given before each video. seems like a minute detail but it helps people like me. thank you eleanor!
Thank you for posting this! Going to get me through sorting my washing out. Love your videos x
The amount of time this girl takes to learn these cases is so unbelievable like it would take me atleast 4 weeks 💀💀
I think she has researchers especially for this now! But I still see your point, the mental load of research this stuff alone would break me
Love you Eleanor! This case sounds like a wild one, can’t wait to finish it!
I really enjoy that you say "s#!÷" in your dialog, it makes you seem more relatable as if I'm hearing this case from a close friend rather than a documentary
I have already watched Kendall Rae cover this case. I have also already watched the mini series on this case, but because it's Eleanor Neale...how can I say no? She is an awesome true crime youtuber. I love her! ❤️
Only recently discovered your channel in the last few days but I have binged watched 5 videos so far and my watch later list has another 3. These stories are very intriguing, it's stocking to know people like this exist
Anyone else find it interesting that to the police he said he heard gunshots but a silencer was used ?
I love watching true crime because I like how smart the police and the doctors are. They could use the littlest of evidence and find a series of suspects! And sometimes they find a little bit of evidence and expand it and make it into a whole new part of the crime. It’s also so brilliant how they can connect one thing to another like stacking bricks.
needed an Eleanor vid today 😅 as always, the most respectful, informative human ive seen. love ya E x
Never clicked so fast before! I remember watching the series they made about this. Great actors who brought the story to life.
I believe he is guilty. Especially when you said she had the rifle in one hand and bible in the other hand, and shooting herself twice. The recoil of gun would have knocked it out of her hand. At least I think so for such a small person. She was holding her bible with the other.. I believe her father could have over powered her. Thank you Eleanor for another case well done.
Actually when Magellan TV sponsored you, this was the first series I watched White House Farm Murders. It was very well done. This was a crazy story!
this is such a crazy story and the fact we might never know what actually happened that night is even crazier and so sad
Absolutely brilliant Eleanor 😀😀such quality viewing loved it. Thank you
Great story. I’ve watched multiple docs and read a couple books about this. People still quite divided about it even though it’s pretty obvious Jeremy did it.
ive never requested a case before but i was wondering if you could cover the murderer marcus volke. this case has had a lasting impact on me and i know you would do it well. it happened a few houses down from where i lived at the time in 2014 and i still remember the utter shock it brought to our city and particularly my street. we have a fairly low crime rate and this street is one of the wealthiest and safest areas in the city. i still cant believe we were all just going about our lives asuming a sewer drain had burst or something. its an awful case but i truly admire the level of respect you offer for the victims in the cases you cover.
I've always found it odd that in some of the post mortem photos of Sheila there's a bible next to her body with a letter sticking out the top (you can see it if you Google it. It's a pretty shocking photo though so be warned). The police first labelled this as a suicide note. They then lost it 😕
At that time Eleanor mentioned that one window was opened while all other entrances were closed, it had me questioning. Why would you lock everything and then leave one window open? I was like someone from inside (the killer) exited the manor through that window.
Rewinded the video like 5 times to watch the sponsored ad again because I'm obsessed with the way she says "vitamin" lol
I'm so greatful for the thoughtful content warnings. I can usually handle the worst stuff these cases throw at us, but when it comes to animal cruelty I'm out. Anyone else?
I totally agree with what you said! Feeling totally normal while listening to multiple murders but when a pet is hurt I'm immediately crying 😂😂 (a pet is just an example, it can be a buffalo and I would feel the same)😅😊
i remember watching a documentary and a series about this when I was younger and its just so sickening how someone can do that
YES!!!! i’ve been waiting for u to cover this case for so long i’m so glad that u have, love seeing different perspectives on it ❤
The fact that the family member who found the silencer wanted to keep it quiet is very interesting. Why want to keep that on the down low if you believed the person responsible has already been found? Why at least not tell Jeremy if they thought he was completely innocent? It could be nothing but that was really odd to me an it seems like people were already doubting him.
RIP TO THOSE BEAUTIFUL LITTLE BABIES 😢
imagine if the silencer was never found, or if the family member who found it hadn't have gave it to police jeremy would've probably never of been found guilty
i’ve been on a binge of your videos and came across this because i thought i’d watched it and it sounded so familiar. i realised that i have watched this before and it’s also a tv show that i’ve been trying to find since 2020 when it came out.
Love how Eleanor posts back to back to back! Love you! 🥰
If I was Jeremy I couldn’t bring myself to live in that house when it was given back knowing that my whole family was murdered in that house…
Bro am I the only one who loves the way she says vitamins. 😂😍 absolutely love true crime she is the best love her
Was lookinh for a comment mentioning this lol
@@sarahburns7278 girl same I was like I need to comment it lol 😂
Wait so they thought this guy was someone that murdered his whole family and still they told him that his ex accused him of it? I highly doubt they got her any protection. Careless idiots
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Hello Eleanor i love your videos. You help me learn about so many cases i never heard about, that's why i was wondering, whenever you can, can you do The Jeannette Tamayo Case. The only thing i heard from that case was that the little girl was really smart. Thank you so much for what you're doing. Keep it up!
you should look at the alex murdaugh case, it happened in my home state (sc)! the trial for it literally just ended, w/ a guilty verdict. he was a former lawyer from a very prominent family down here who killed his wife and his 22 year old son. there’s a lot of other shady, bad shit that went on involving his family. it’s really interesting, you should cover it!
It's been beat to death on TH-cam