I really appreciate you having someone on your show who may not be of the same theological camp but affirms the core doctrine of faith and shared values. ❤
I appreciate that you both don’t necessarily agree on everything but were able to have a great conversation and share your perspectives and scripture. ♥️
Absolutely! This is the embodiment of Christ's LOVE. He said, "You will know they are my disciples for their LOVE for one another." And love conquers all! ❤
What does that mean though? Wof and NAR? Nobody will explain, they just accuse and slander with no context. I'm beginning to wonder if all these people were sent here or told to flood the comments and tear the Beveres down. It's a very low and dark tactic. Who are y'all partnering with, spiritually?
@ in terms word of faith and NRR are basically now just used as spare terms to demean preachers they don’t like. They never get into the theology or what the preacher actually says that they claim is against the word of God did just throw those words out to smear them and forget that so doing their disobey in the words of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I am tired of it and it has to stop. It is not a Christian like behavior to tear down people constantly because you watch some bad video of them on TH-cam like a critic
@RLS4jesus WOF stands for Word of Faith (meaning the Word of Faith movement, which goes against biblical Christianity in context), and NAR stands for New Apostolic Reformation (which is another movement that could be considered Word of Faithx10) there are some really sound teachers that touch on these different movements. Melissa Dougherty, Mike Winger, Justin Peters, and others have some great videos to look into regarding these movements and the false teachers that are apart of these movements. I grew up in it and there are many reasons why it is false based on what the truth of God's Word actually says but that is a good place to start if you are interested. The Bevere's pass a sniff test and may understand the true Gospel, but they actually promote many unhealthy and unbiblical views, such as submitting to your pastor in nearly everything, even if the pastor makes a request such as wearing oddly colored socks every single Sunday. This example that the Bevere's use is to promote the idea that churches should not go against their pastor, which can lead to a flock no longer questioning things that should be questioned and a lack of true accountability for a church pastor. I would encourage you to look into these movements and test the core beliefs of these movements to Scripture in context and see the truth of them for yourself 😊
I’ve listened to both Allie and Lisa. I’m disappointed that so many refer to John and Lisa as false teachers; I can’t speak for what they may have taught before 2024, because I haven’t followed them in earlier years, but if anyone would listen to their current podcast on TH-cam, I think you’d have to jump through hoops and take their words wildly out of context to consider them heretical. Why do we, as a body of believers, seem to leave no room for people to grow in their understanding of the word and in their relationship to Christ? John and Lisa are very clear that they strive to be teachable and repentant if they’re ever found to be in error. So far, I’ve heard them teach nothing less than Christ and Him crucified and the importance of knowing Him. I think the crime so many are uncomfortable with is that the Beveres are not cessationists, which is no crime at all. The Bible commands each person to work out their own faith with fear and trembling; I’ve never seen a single teacher that I thought was 100% on the money, who didn’t react in a fleshly manner at one point-including Allie, who I love! To err is human, to give grace is Godly. God is the author and perfector of our faith, not Allie, the Beveres, or anyone else. Stop relying on teachers to spoon feed you theology and understanding. Stop being terrified of Christians from differing denominations. Seek God and He’ll get you where He wants you. It is evident to me that the Beveres love God and His word and they seek diligently to share it with a broken world. All non-salvific issues they may or may not have, I will leave in the sanctifying hands of God.
You know with all the complaining on these comments - whether warranted or not - this conversation may have saved my physical life. May people always 1st think how God can use someone a human may disagree with to save the life of another. My dad did basically the exact same thing to me at age 12. I licked a whip cream spoon from my grandmothers baking as a chubby-ish child and my dad told me doing that would make me fat. And I went on a 20 year disordered eating cycle that I struggle with even today. And I never had an answer for why I couldn’t get healthy. She laid it out beautifully. I started our church’s fast this morning before I heard this message and I wept. I was doing it “to diet” and to hopefully be healed. But I just want to see and sacrifice now. I want to denounce the number and my fear and claim Jesus as the only One I want and need. My ultimate Comforter. These actionable tasks of acknowledging my identity - my body - as Christs and being grateful for it instead of loathing its existence spoke to me deeply. Thank you thank you thank you. I felt God through your words.
@@gingermanswife you could also listen to Bevere's teaching on "Supernatural overnight weight loss". (Just trying to contend for the faith and tell you how UNBIBLICAL Bevere is)
Was your dad trying to be helpful in a parental, loving way in order to help his greedy daughter out? And you interpreted him wrong all these years? Or was he just being cruel?
One of the biggest problems with being against women in ministry is the incorrect understanding of spiritual authority. Authority does not rest in a human. The authority is in God's Word, not in the messenger delivering the Word.
I love that you had Lisa on!!!! So good to champion other denominations when our base line is the same! We will literally spend eternity with one another! Beautiful example of being sisters in Christ!
I am so encouraged by all the people who have called out John and Lisa Bevere as heretical false teachers in the comments. ABS must be and do better than platforming guests like this on her massive platform!
You're encouraged by people accusing and slandering other Christians? That doesn't seem right. Who are you partnering with, spiritually? Where's the grace?
Relatabro here - my wife and I love your show and the guests you have are usually gear. But was rather disappointed in this one. I would not recommend my wife listen to Lisa or John Bevere as they have some serious issues. Although I appreciate your pushback on some issues and I do agree with her assessment of cultural feminism, I think the issues are a little too severe to be promoting her book as your audience will buy it and then possibly buys John’s which are also very problematic. Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here but really appreciate you and your platform.
Totally agree, having been rescued from heretical teaching. Believe me it was not easy, much repentance. While Lisa can be spot on about various topics, there is strong biblical error in too many important scripture matters. I agree sir, thank you for taking the time to post. You are so correct in not wanting your wife to listen to Lisa or John.
I agree with you. Lisa and John Bevere teach serious theological error and if Allie is recommending her book it can lead women down the wrong path. We know from the garden that women are more easily deceived and it concerns me if women start following Lisa. I came out of the charismatic Pentecostal church and have had to unlearn all the false teaching, including from Lisa.
What is wrong with you judgmental body of believers. Anyone that preaches/teachers the Gospel of Jesus Christ needs to be respected. Period. Judge NOT least ye be Judged.
So encouraged by Allie and the conversations she is having, I love how she is reaching across the isle and allowing the gospel to be shared with many that might not be in the reformed camp, we know God in his sovereignty can work in people’s lives just as He’s done for many of us who were not reformed and came from other evangelical camps. To God be the glory and all for His glory 🙏
Yikes-just looked up Lisa and found this. Lisa Bevere- Not recommended. Lisa and her husband John (author of many men’s ministry books, former associate pastor to Benny Hinn at World Outreach Center, and current board member of Joyce Meyer Ministries- This is not good. Doesn’t mean she doesn’t say some true things but this concerns me too much to recommend her.
What is wrong with you judgmental body of believers. Anyone that preaches/teachers the Gospel of Jesus Christ needs to be respected. Period. Judge NOT least ye be Judged.
@@amycourtney-messenger1642 God told us in his word to test the spirits and have righteous judgement/discernment/to beware of false prophets...aka the Bevere's. They do not teach the Gospel; they teach a false Word of faith gospel. John Bevere doesn't even teach grace right...
Love this podcast so much!! As women who love the Lord is ni e we can talk even if we dont discern the scriptures the same way. If you have excepted Jesus Christ as your savior then we are one body of Christ!! Lets focus on winning souls for Jesus! Lets focus on praying for our community and families!! May the Holy Spirit draw each of us higher in our prayer life, worship life and fasting! God is doing a new thing in 2025 in the body of Christ!! Blessings and love to all! 🙏 heart❤
I love your work, Allie, but I have an issue with something in this interview. Lisa describes her husband being gone a lot when their son was a teenager. Sometimes, Dad was home only one day a month, and not at his best even then. This was impacting the boy, because he needed his dad to talk to. When Lisa sought counsel, she was told that their son could process things with her. He would someday be married, after all, and would be processing with a woman for the rest of his life. Lisa should submit to her husband and deal with his work schedule. Honestly, I had to stop listening. The counsel she got is so wrong. First, teenage boys have a right to their fathers. They need them, especially during the teen years. Processing with a woman is completely different from talking life's depths over with a dad. There is no substitute for a father. Believe me, I raised two sons without one. Second, submission does not mean we don't address serious issues in the family, and this was one of them. A wife has a right and an obligation to stand up for the health of the family and the well-being of the children. In this case, her husband should have listened to her concerns and changed his schedule. If he refused, she needed to enforce some kind of boundary, brought the church in, gotten others involved. This can be done in the context of submission. Dr. James Dobson had a huge, positive impact on American families through his ministry, Focus on the Family. When James was a teenager, his dad was gone a lot with his preaching ministry. He was doing well in his career. But James was struggling without his dad. So his mom called his dad. "I need you here." Guess what? James' dad changed EVERYTHING to save his son. He adjusted his schedule to be there for James. And we got Dr. Dobson--and with him, many incredible stories of redemption. James' dad never revived his career after that decision. It cost him. But it was worth it to save his son. That's what real men do.
If you listen the podcast ‘At Home with The Beveres’ you’ll hear John and Lisa address the early days and how John acknowledges he should not have been away from home as much. All that to say, The Bevere’s have raised four men who are all proclaimed Christians and they’ve never had a scandal during their public ministry over the decades. I respect that a lot.
Saying someone is a false teacher does not make them false because you said so. If you do not have Biblical reasoning and solid arguments, then dont just SLANDER people who love Jesus and do a lot for God. Can we at least try to be sensible with each other as believers, or is it just okay to say things about people because you think we somehow get it all right?
@izannemarais156 slander is making a false accusation about someone. An assertion that is true is not slanderous. It is not incumbent upon the accuser to provide evidence in a comment section because yt doesn't allow links. If you want to do something with the accusation that has been made, then do the research yourself. We are, after all, commanded to test the spirits. I would suggest starting at servantsofgrace and famineintheland on yt.
@@chrisland4023 first of all, she’s not word of faith and also please stop some term just to disparage others because you watched videos that criticized certain people. It is appalling and unChristlike of you guys to keep doing that. Repent and stop judging others or else you’ll be judged by that same unfair measure if you’re going to call someone false teacher, then prove it through what they said that contradicts clear teachings of scripture and not just throw out a smear name.
I really love and respect your show, but I am so surprised you had her on, not just the female pastor issue but the connections to the NAR and WoF. Many women trust your judgement and it would be really concerning if they started to read or listen to some of the things the Beveres teach.
Who are you partnering with, spiritually, to be intentionally slandering a fellow believer? It's not up to you to decide who is one of God's children or not. Judge not least ye be judged. You will be judged just as harshly as you judged others. Nobody's perfect, nobody has all the answers, not even you. It's called grace. Be careful who you're partnering with when you start using such low and dark tactics to divide God's people.
I'm so disappointed that you have Lisa on as a guest. As someone who was in the NAR for over 20 years and listened to teachers (false) like the Beveres its heartbreaking. Now some women will like what they hear and go a search her out and possibly be lead a stray.
Everything discussed here is sound biblical wisdom, and they are uniting for the greater good and betterment of women in our nation and world which are in real crisis. That is praiseworthy. Unlike your projected judgments that only point to women tearing down other women. Jesus said it best, you will know they are my disciples for their LOVE for one another which is clearly displayed with these women doing this podcast despite theological differences. Unfortunately that is not being displayed by your character and projected judgments. I hope you will mature in Christ as these women have. At the end of the day, GOD alone knows our hearts and makes judgments. We are commanded to LOVE one another. ❤
Please tell me something that is not biblical that the beavers have preached. Something that contradicts the Bible. Please tell me one. Of course there is none but you do you.
@@TaraGrace444 the bible is clear to mark and avoid false teachers. It is love that warns others to stay clear of women like Lisa. They are the ones causing division by teaching falsely. Would you listen if she had guests like Joyce Meyers, Paul White, or Kat Kerr? We are to judge them by what they teach and avoid them. I spent too many years listening to women like this. Seems like I'm not the only one who disagrees with Allie's guest choice. Maybe you should do a little research on Lisa's teachings. Just a suggestion.
@@karenmartin4221 do you see how you jumped to what platform she has been on to brand her a heretic. You couldn't find her teachings that are anti-biblical yet lumped a false label on her. Jesus warns against this. Please repent and stop seeking to tear down others for the sake of it. With the same measure you judge others you will be judged.
@31:07 this is a very dangerous idea that Paul is having non-authoritative opinions, like we are outside of his jurisdiction, like we can dismiss his words (especially if we don’t like them). Mike Winger had some great videos on these issues, women in ministry.
I think they are both right. People bring in their opinion and belief of their interpretation all the time. Doesn't mean Paul wouldn't/couldn't/didn't even in scripture. He does do it other times in scripture when he is stating the 2nd scripture as Lisa mentioned, he does it when telling people how to receive others he sends to them, he does it when he says he Wants certain things but God say or wait, etc. Yes, God inspires His Word but God uses Paul's humanity in it too.
I'm sorry, anyone who wants to talk about proper gender roles but then starts making exceptions for Paul's clear teaching on preaching and teaching is a hypocrite.
Be careful of a man that had no problem handing over men to Satan. Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan, -excerpt 1 Timothy 1 -words of Paul ...when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, I have decided to turn such a person over to Satan... -excerpt 1 Corinthians 5 -words of Paul No decent Christian talks like Paul did. There is a reason for that. Jesus freed men from Satan. Jesus is our example.
Paul never prohibited women from being pastors or spiritual leaders in the assembly of God's people (aka the church). If you are going to cherry-pick certain verses to say otherwise, I highly recommend you do your research first.
Im so surprised you had her. You could have had a solid, sound women on to discuss these things. Now the less discerning will follow her. Hes and her husband are dangerous in their theology. 😢
So disappointed that you would bring in Lisa Bevere as so many people look to you, Allie for guidance on who to follow, who to trust. My prayer is that you will address all the comments you’re getting regarding this choice… seriously and soberly as you do everything else. I so appreciate your books, your program, your commentary, all that you do.
People should look to JESUS for 'who to follow' (NOT to Allie Beth), and people should discern for themselves by the Witness of the Holy Ghost & God's Word regarding (all) doctrine. I discern what Allie Beth says the *same* as I discern what Lisa Bevere says: Both are my sisters in Christ. Both are equally daughters of God. And both are humans capable of error - and both are saved/redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb. I am shocked at the pharisaical attitudes of some in the comments urging Allie Beth to shun a *precious* woman of God (Lisa Bevere). And I find it telling that it is not likely to see 'supporters' of Lisa Bevere telling her to shun Allie Beth. (What 'kind' of brethren are drawn to whom, speaks.) Jesus said it is our love for the BRETHREN that makes us KNOWN that we are His.
@@TGBTG7 you should look up to Jesus and not to people. Also, it seems like you’ve been watching the videos of so many heresy hunters you cannot even make clear judgment of what somebody teaches from scripture. Show me what the unvocal beliefs, or teaching that to beavers have taught. According to the Bible, please show me. Of course you won’t be able tobecause all you guys now know how to do is tear down others. Don’t forget, Jesus said the same way you judge others you will be judged.
Here’s a link to more on the Beveres. I’m actually a bit stunned by what I’m seeing on them. ABS is usually so solid on her recommendations so I’m confused as to why she’s recommending her, even with the short convo on differences. I think a follow up needs to be done on this. th-cam.com/video/9YwTsMKTeTY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=f3C4bhkSKbUSp_8q
@@conservativemama3437 yeah you basically put up a link of a woman that has been known to basically tear down other people and disparage them with lies. Good job. You guys have gobbled up so much videos disparaging other people that you don’t even choose to love someone first all you do is jump to tear them down and judge them. It’s Shamley what Christians these days put out, disparage in and tearing down other people without even showing the biblical basis for it repent or you will be judged by that same on fair measure too
I remember in my humanities class I'd written on Mary Wollstonecraft speaking in favor of what I now recognize as first wave feminism. Yes, her philosophy was very much removed from God, but after Marx came on the scene, the ideology morphed into something more insidious. My stance on feminism shifted so hard when we crossed that era that I practically gave my professor whiplash. 😅
This is so good Allie! This brings so much untiy to the body of Christ! 🙏🏼♥️ I feel like Lisa- its hard to know where to fit sometimes in the Church- regarading the charismatic and reformed camps. It would be wonderful to see Lisa on again to expound on that! Thank you, Allie for all the work you do to build up the body of Christ!
Lisa beveres testimony about her body really spoke to me. I've struggled with this my whole life. It really opened my eyes and heart to receive it. Thank you for sharing. May God bless you.
Note about something not at all central to this but was still brought up--mary shelley, while married to an atheist, was a Christian. Her literature, especially Frankenstein, explores the human need for God and the dangers of taking things into our own hands. Christians, no need to shy away from reading Mary Shelley's works.
I agree that there is no need to shy away from Shelly's writings. I also believe that someone can read God into almost anything if they try. But I would never call Mary Shelly a Christian. I would say Frankenstein was more of a philosophical novel steeped in alchemy and the occult. After running off with a married man at the age of 16 who left his wife Harriet and two young children behind (Harriet unfortunately committed suicide while carrying her third child as a result) and then proceeded to go gallavanting around the world with her lover. At one particular weekend, getaway with friends, while indulging in wine and laudanum "Frankenstein" was set in motion. I don't think Christ was her inspiration. The deaths and tragedy that surround Mary, Percy, their friends, and many of their family members are quite remarkable. Much sadder than the end of her book. So yeah, I would say read it, but definitely not as Christian literature.
@micheletisdale7467 she wrestles with God but by the end of her life does identify with Christianity. Ideas of the occult are clearly present in her literature, but as a warning and a catalyst to explore the human condition, specifically the potential dangers of knowledge, which I assumed she was inspired by the downfall of humanity in Genesis. She also was against the destruction of the family. But that's my opinion. Glad to read yours!!:) I also agree that she wasn't a Christian writer like CS lewis, but rather a writer that happened to be a Christian.
@@micheletisdale_HHWF great comment, Do you think Shelly may have been likely exploring the power of man, thru humanistic philosophies and mans moral responsibility to contain himself? That's what I thought after reading it in view of her personal beliefs.
I use to not understand how people heard from God until it happened to me.. the first time I was praying over something as trivial as my lost sweater ( it was missing for months) and I was praying about it and I heard direction in my spirit that lead directly to it … that’s how I knew Gods voice the next time I heard and it was about my marriage ending and as I cried out to the Lord, I heard that same voice say,” I’m going to save your marriage “… and He did.. I stood on that promise for 3 years until my husband came home and continued to stand on it as He has been rebuilding my marriage since then. The Bible literally says “ My sheep hear my voice…”
Hi Allie, thank you for your ministry. Enjoying from South Africa 🇿🇦. Please research this guests. In theological circles she and her husband are well known for false teachings, associated with Benny Hinn and prosperity teachings. This book might lead to Christians following her or John's out of context teachings. Praying for your leadership always.
Appreciate the counsel for wives in regard to their husbands, however leading with “I feel” (four times!) in response to your question about women teaching in church is 🚩🚩🚩🚩 to me.
@@Szpak-123 Deborah did not preach or have authority in church. The point of the original commenter is Lisa answered with ‘I feel’ and that is not a biblical response.
@@debm3716 A Judge could teach scripture. A Judge could execute a man for his sin. The Judge during this time period was the primary/senior pastor/shepherd of God's people. (Deborah essay, read time: 10 minutes, postable here) you wrote: Lisa answered with ‘I feel’ and that is not a biblical response. (Up front, I haven't watched the video.) If a given 'feeling' is valid, then it's valid. Someone might say "I always felt that, such and such." They could very well be correct, yet not have enough scriptural understanding to back that up.
@@racheltonner2509 (N.N. personal note) The sending of a Judge was an act of mercy by God, as written in the Book of Judges. Actually covered in the essay, should you be referring to Isaiah 3.
As a man I've always had the greatest respect and admiration for women and girls, but I'm very turned off when they try to act like men. It's unnatural, and not fitting or appropriate. And it also doesn't even make sense to me. A strong man doesn't try to act like a woman, so why should a strong woman try to act like a man ? You can be strong AS a woman. .. I liked this woman you interviewed, and am proud of her for defending females while still recognizing the value and virtues of men.
It's because feminists are insecure and honestly belief men are better then them. So they try to become men to fix their insecurity, in 4th wave feminism they literally try to become men. I agree with you. This was a great interview.
Yup, she knows how to play to her audience, but her core doctrine is squarely in line with TBN, Bethel Redding, and other aberrant Charismatic/Pentecostal/NAR bad actors.
What is wrong with you judgmental body of believers. Anyone that preaches/teachers the Gospel of Jesus Christ needs to be respected. Period. Judge NOT least ye be Judged.
Maybe those women aren't bold enough to tackle this subject. Personally, I haven't heard or seen any pastors speaking out, fighting for women. The church in general is failing
two dynamic ladies- i love these sisters in Christ. i needed to hear this! convicted me about how i sometimes speak about my husband (and even to my children)...my attitude. I also want to say that a friend gave me a book recently where the heroine was a Baba Yaga figure- later I looked things up about this witch and it was so disturbing to learn that she is now a heroine of the feminist movement- look up the history of Baba Yaga and it will tell you all you need to know about whether she should be admired.... Very telling
I'm laughing so hard at the menopause commentary. I started menopause a couple of years ago, and I started REALLY reading my Bible more diligently because I was becoming a CRAZY person who wanted to flip out on my kids and coworkers. I needed to wash myself in the Word! Hahaha.
I felt like I had to "drive the boat" for the first part of my marriage. I remember telling my mother in law that if I let him drive the boat, he would sink it. Her response...."let him sink it then". Like Sarah obeyed Abraham and called him her lord, you are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
Did she just say that because Paul wrote “I do not permit” instead of “God does not permit” that it gives credence to women preaching in churches alongside men? That’s a slippery slope if I ever saw one, don’t you think? Also, doesn’t the verse go on to say “for Adam was created first; then Eve.” The following line should show any Bible reader that Paul is not referring to just the culture of their time but appealing to the creation order which isn’t flippant. I like Lisa, I don’t listen to her stuff, but I do appreciate some of her stances, however this is sloppy hermeneutics…esp for someone who apparently teaches the Bible.
Allie, thank you for having Lisa on and giving voice to different sisters in Christ and creating unity in the body. I have learned so much from Lisa, and her message (and yours) is one that Christian women need to hear. Well done.
The theology of the Beveres messed me up for years. I’m really hoping Allie decides to dig deeper into it and make a video on why having Lisa on was not a good choice.
@ charismatic legalism and word of faith. Driven by Eternity was filled with it. As were other books by John. I’ve never read any of Lisa’s books. But they promote and are promoted by Bethel Redding (hyper charismatic and word of faith). Look up their names on Bethel’s website. I don’t know what in the world Lisa was talking about when she said they weren’t charismatic enough for those in that category. They’ve also been promoted by Hillsong Church, Benny Hinn, Robert Morris, and Sid Roth, to name a few. And they endorsed the Passion Translation and its creator, Brian Simmons - look up the endorsements on the Passion Translation website. The only reason I ever even heard of the Beveres was because Bill Johnson promoted them and their books. I’m very disappointed in this whole interview and Allie’s lack of research/discernment regarding Lisa. I just want more people to look into them for themselves because this interview has the potential to lead many astray.
@@pamfoy I responded, but apparently my comments aren’t being posted. In a nutshell, charismatic legalism and word of faith. Look for my other comment in the thread for more info.
@@RobinStoddard yea, id also like to know what theology of theirs you're referring to? I see so many people bashing them but no explanation of what they did that was so horrendous? Be careful who you're partnering with...
This discussion and work they are doing to empower women in the restoration of God's divine order is praiseworthy. God does not need you or us policing his universe or projecting judgments. They displayed the embodiment of Christ's love uniting for the common good and betterment of women. Are you? Those who criticize are never making significant changes in culture and this world but cast judgments behind a screen. ❤
@ Are you not using judgment right now by disagreeing with me? You used your discernment to make your claim and disagree which you have every right to do - and as do I. I used my discernment to say what I believe is needed to be said about this video which is to be careful and to be aware of false teachers as the Beveres have been proven to be, to recommend and advocate misinformation and untruths is ungodly. Having conversations and respectful debates is fine, once that crosses into advocating and promoting those very things is another. Romans 12:1-2 “people should not be of this age, but instead discern what is the will of God.” Do you believe it is in Gods will to have mis truths of Him spread about? I encourage you to look into her more and read about the WOF/NAR movement and how unbiblical it really is and that goes for anyone who continues to choose to believe their mis truths. 1 Timothy 6:3 “If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing”
@TaraGrace444 are you not policing in this very response?Believers keeping their mouths closed and not speaking truth to one another is exactly why the church is where it is today.
@@TaraGrace444well said! 👏👏👏 All these people are saying the same thing with no context, I don't think they even know fully why and they're just paroting each other... Shameful
I really appreciate you having her on. The reformed world can label her as a demonic false teacher at times lol but I don’t see her that way. Both sides can run waaaaay too hot and heavy with their condemnations of the other side. I also appreciated her explanation of where she stood regarding men and women’s roles. My background is more like the world Lisa is in now, yet in recent years I hang out in and glean from more conservative circles. I don’t feel that they honor these men and women of God enough.. sometimes it’s just a semantic issue separating us. Thank you for not treating her as though she is an untouchable lol.
@@chb9197 i mean heaven forbid God would alliow women to teach, unless it is to Sunday school kids, right? How people created a whole doctrine around one Scripture often baffles me. Paul clearly said, it was his opnion that in context of that congregation, the women should not disrupt the meeting and yell over the men. And yes, women should be under leadership, but seeing how well lots of men have messed up the church with their abuse of power and sexual misconduct in churches. I dont then think a preaching woman is really the issue.
hi Allie I also found it impossible to believe that I heard from God except when I was like 20 years old , not even a believer yet, I was going to get married and I did get married, and while I was walking one day somebody said to me you are no longer the boss. your husband is the head of you now, I wouldn't even know where that came from, so, I know that was god.
Hi Allie-new listener here. I was very shocked to hear that you promoted a guest who doesn’t accept God’s clear directive that women cannot be pastors and are not to teach in the church. At all. Dangerous territory. Please consider a follow up clarifying your views on this. I have recommended you to other women and am now having second thoughts.
@kstarbar but she still recommends Lisa and her books? Hence, the need for clarification. If Allie opposes egalitarianism, she shouldn't recommend those who promote it. If Allie thinks the issue is secondary, then she should explain why any command of God can be relegated to an "agree to disagree" status.
God's word does not prohibit women from being pastors, and the very small handful of bible verses that have been cherry-picked to support the claim against female pastors have been debunked by a large and growing body of Biblical scholarship. The teaching that prohibits women as pastors is a gross mishandling of the word of God, and it's beyond the time the lie stopped being propagated through the church.
Respectfully, I challenge your view. God's word does not prohibit women in ministry. The verses often used to undermine women have been grossly misrepresented. From a spiritual perspective, we should be asking ourselves why is there so much vitriol and hatred toward women in ministry. It seems that Satan must hate women and be afraid of what will happen if the daughters of God take back their Divinely given, image-bearing, authority to rule and reign just as Yahweh designed for them from the beginning of time.
@@rebeccajolliff3378you are absolutely correct that women are vital to the ministry of the church. In Romans 16, Paul commended several women, who worked along side him, as fellow servants of Christ. But the position of Pastor and teacher, in the church body, has been entrusted to Godly men. Older women are charged to teach younger women. In obedience to Christ, we must recognize that men and women are not the same, and have different parts to play in the church, in submission to Christ, the head. Where men are not teaching and leading their congregations, while properly utilizing the gifts that God has given to the women, women have attempted to fill the void of leadership and create a major stumbling block in the church’s goal of making true disciples. It is not God’s design and further complicates the distinction God has made between men and women, resulting in all sorts of false teachings-feminism among them.
You're not wrong! Lisa Bevere's doctrine is questionable on many fronts, but perhaps the underlying problem with her is that she says God actually wrote one of her books! And her husband agrees.
Lisa and her husband should be marked and avoided. Allie has no discernment and is proving more and more why women should not have the role that she has.
They are mystics! Word of faith heretics! Always about the experience and extra biblical than knowing God for who he really is. Twisters of the Word!!! They do not abide in the doctrine of Christ!
You’re not wrong at all! Lisa was very deceptive when she claimed not to be promoted by the more charismatic circles. They are directly listed on Bethel Redding’s website and have spoken at numerous problematic churches and events. I commented separately with multiple links to show receipts.
Very bold of you Allie, I’m very proud of you for doing this episode knowing yall have different views theologically. Both of you showed the love of Christ, united for one cause the gospel, the kingdom of God.
II Timothy 2 : 8 - 15 is not in the context of the church, but of marriage and the home ... the references to child-bearing and Adam and Eve (the first husband and wife) make that clear.
This particular episode is one that highlights that the challenges of having a daily podcast that is run as a sort of a paraministry. You always need to have a guest on and why not go for someone that is on the New York Times Bestseller list. Oprah used this approach and we see the result of that throughout the professing church today. Always talking, but never arriving at the truth. When you start to equivocate and say that female pastors are not salvation issue, you a treading on the perspicuity of Scripture. For a thorough discussion of the of the topic of organization of the church read "Biblical Eldership" by Alexander Strauch. Next when you have a half hearted discussion on the "hearing the voice" of God apart from Scripture you are starting to undermine the doctrine of the "Sufficiency Scripture". One of the cornerstones of The Reformation. Better to stick with Rosaria Butterfield, Susan Heck and Nancy Pearcey (The Toxic War on Masculinity: How Christianity Reconciles the Sexes and Total Truth).
What is wrong with you judgmental body of believers. Anyone that preaches/teachers the Gospel of Jesus Christ needs to be respected. Period. Judge NOT least ye be Judged.
Allie Beth, I do not agree with a lot of your theology but I have respect for you. I have noticed a critical spirit in you at times. I don’t agree that you accused Ashley Hetherington of witchcraft for applying anointing oil, she used scripture and everything she spoke about was scriptural. You accused her - who accuses? Who is the accuser of the brethren? Who is critical? I just think that you should issue a public apology since you accused her publicly. So glad you had Lisa on! Love her. ❤
Right off the bat, I could see through her fakeness... Her title says divine females..."I'm not saying we're Goddesses"...***Word of Faith teaching holds that its believers have a divine right to prosper in all areas of life, including finances, health, marriage, and relationships....
My informed biblically conscious speak to me too. Say God or the Holy Spirit speak us it's not wrong ,but it's dangerous say for all "God tell me". Scripture is the Vox Dei
Hi, Allie thank you for this episode showing how as Christians we should show the love of Christ to all believers. Some people in the comments judge Lise from other people's comments and not on her fruit. Listen to her podcast about biblical issues and see that she is not a false teacher. Believers must test and see the fruit of a person before judging them. That's why people in the world are afraid to be in the church because of believer in showing the love of Christ in them calling out sin from others. You can call out a person who is sinning, but not condemning them in making them believe there is no hope. Because Jesus Christ died for all mankind to be saved. That's all remember the cross and why Jesus Christ died because of love for the world. I know we can make mistakes and we all can fall short. Only in enteral glory we will be with no fault with the Lord. From South Africa love my sisters and brothers in Christ.
Allie. No. Just no. When you highlight false teachers like this, you lead Christians who are young in their faith towards false teaching. This was the wrong decision. I hope you take this video down.
Hi Allie, Huge fan here....love the show and watch daily! But, I am a bit befuddled by the choice to have this guest on. John and Lisa Bevere are false teachers in every sense of the word, and should not be recommended or platformed by trusted Baptist/Reformed voices, such as yourself. I understand your right to platform whomever you choose, however false teachers like Lisa and John have the ability to cause both baby and seasoned Christians to stray toward their false beliefs....and that is a tragedy. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
I just looked this up…who is this Michelle? There are A LOT of people on this list. And I don’t necessarily agree with all of the people on the list…and some are definitely questionable…but I question some of her decisions…like Celebrate Recovery. I have gone many times…and it’s a group of people who acknowledge they are sinners, but know they need help to keep themselves accountable…you say I’m a faithful believe in Christ, my name is _____, and I struggle with ________…so she has that wrong in her article. And they say this because we need to identify as a child of God in need of redemption first…I don’t find anything wrong with this…and women are with women and men with men…no one is preaching…or pastoring…they are talking about their struggles and how Jesus has helped them…it’s bringing people to Christ 🤷🏻♀️
I certainly pray not! She really has to get her research done before putting guests on. If she would have researched the Bevere's thoroughly, she would know better. I think this was out of ignorance. I pray for the discernment of the sheep!!!
Hey Allie! This is off-topic, but would you consider tackling the Scofield Bible controversy? I would so appreciate your take on that particular subject. Thank you for all that you do for the body of Christ as you boldly proclaim the Truth and selflessly take the arrows!
It is not much of a controversy. Clear and obvious lies and only a recent change of Christianity (and only among the protestants, and not what Martin Luther ever understood/taught). See for example WhiteHorseMedia Steve Wohlberg and for example his book 'exploding the israel deception', for understanding about it, also videos about it exists elsewhere (with the same title).
I've tried to look into this myself.. if you like: Jon courson has a sermon where he addresses the controversy. You'll have to go to his website searchlight with Jon Courson. The sermon is under his prophecy teachings and it's titled "The rapture, new teaching or timeless Truth?" That sermon seems to be the best defense of this controversy I've found so far.. I also haven't had a whole lot of time to explore the sources he sites but I hopefully will. Also check out any scholarship regarding the topic.. May God reveal the truth in your heart ❤ God bless you ❤
Scofield goes wrong in his footnote about placing a gap between the first 2 verses in Genesis. There is an "AND", not a gap. He did this in response to Lyell's long ages. There is no gap there. Campus Crusade for Christ promote Scofield's reference Bible, so many of us made that our first read. It probably took me 2 decades to accept the 6 days of creation as 6 rotations of the earth.
That comment by your dad may of been painful but at some level I appreciate that the person who loves you told you the truth!! Food is definitely an idol in our society and our young people are obese, miserable and unhealthy. We need to speak truth in this area as well.
I agree that food is an idol in society (believe me, as a gen z I’ve seen so many of my peers embrace over eating in the name of “body positivity”). However, do you agree that her father could have said it in a more kind manner without sacrificing the truth? For instance, rather than “you’re fat and boys won’t like you”, as a father it should have been “I’ve noticed you’ve been putting on weight and indulging in unhealthy eating habits. this is dangerous and can seriously impact your health and self-esteem”. But I definitely agree we need more people willing to confront this topic in this day and age!!!
Mike Winger has a very thorough study of women in ministry on his TH-cam channel that I would highly recommend. It helped me sort out what the Bible says about this.
I enjoy both of these women, but I'd like to clarify something. She briefly touched on being a former Catholic and said she'd never heard the Gospel. That is not BECAUSE she was Catholic. If anything, someone greatly failed in her catechesis. As someone who has faced attacks by Protestants because they believed Catholics weren't Christian, I think it's important to point out.
I'm sad that she didn't really answer the question about how to trust your husband in his leadership role when he's not a believer. I love my husband very much, but I also value finding the will of God for my life, so I have a very difficult time leaving decisions to my husband who doesn't seek the will of God. It's a hard situation and I would have loved some insight. EDIT: I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has responded ❤️
Candice Cameron talks about going through this with her husband. She came to Jesus after they were married. She said she started praying that God would be seen in every thing she did.
For me, I believe the Lord showed me, through Scripture and prayer, that by submitting to my husband I was trusting the outcome to God. Submitting to my husband was submitting to God's design. It was a matter of trust. My husband never went into a church and made a profession of faith. But I do believe the Lord gave him wisdom in leading our family. I also believe He gave my husband the gift of salvation. As I look back on his life, I see the Lord changed him even though I hadn't seen it in the moment. The unbelieving husband is sanctified through his believing wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband. 1 Corinthians 7:14 Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the Word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives. 1 Peter 3:1 The 1 Peter 3:1 verse was my go-to verse. It reminded me to keep my attitude in check and not roll my eyes or sigh. Yes, it is more than "without a word" because conduct is included. We are not submitting in good faith when rolling our eyes. This was HARD for me. This made for a miraculous last half of our marriage. I thank God every day for three decades we had together. And I'm so grateful for the Word that guided our marriage. Read Scripture daily, that will bless your marriage.
Even if your husband is not a believer you should still submit to your husband (1st Peter 3:1-2), as long as his decisions aren't anti biblical or leading you into sin.
You can usually tell when it is the Holy Spirit and not you. Once,when I was furious with my husband I heard ( not audibly) “ ask David to forgive you for the anger you are holding against him in your heart.” That did not come from me. I needed God to get me there before I walked down those stairs. It took a good while, but I obeyed the leading of the Holy Spirit.My husband looked surprised,but his wall came down. God does peak to us through the HolySpirit. You don’t always understand it at the time, but His ways are so much better than anything we would come up with. Many times it is something we do not want to do.
Yes but also no. Moses has to deal with a question of inheritance when a men dies and has only daughters, because in their patriarchal culture only men got inheritance. So he asks God and God says to give it to the daughters. Patriarchy is a loaded word. Well God's way could fit into the category of patriarchy, usually that term refers to a very pagan way of doing things.
Thank you so much for the reminder; garbage in, garbage out. I have slacked off and watchjng yt, instead of reading. As for women being subjected by emotions. This happens every single time women take over a spciety. The pagan seeps in. The kids are at risk. Every single time, women take over, men step back, this happens. Then comes the backlash. Men build. Women are chaos. We need both.❤ men in charge. Logic. Leadership. As a whole.Individuals will vary❤
Mark and avoid Lisa Bevere...be like the Bareans. Acts 17:11 English Standard Version 11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.
The I-80 comes through San Francisco at its west end. There were 80 Tracts for the Times of the Oxford Movement. Pusey and Newman were with them, I think.
Wait, where does Paul say "don't get married" ? Paul says forcing celibacy is a doctrine of demons, & juxtaposed with the teachings in catholicism, makes so much sense from pauls wisdom, & the created order of God in Genesis. Marriage is not for everyone, but Marriage & children is the goal for most of humanity, a good mathematical reason & rationality is birthrates, or the lack thereof in replacing the previous generations with new generations, this was a fun episode I really enjoyed this one.
1 Corinthians 7, he talks about how he is single and that is a good thing because he can focus on God's work rather then his wife. He wishes that everyone could be single like this and even says that it is good to stay unmarried. But in verse 10 he says "not I but the Lord", suggesting that all the "I" statements were his personal opinion but after verse 10 is God's commands.
Where does paul say he has/had a wife ? I have seen paul was single for missionary purposes after his conversion, its also possible while he was a pharisee persecuting christians his wife could have passed away & he remained single after that, but my point stands. He never says "dont get married" he is saying he has self control & because most dont have self control he says "do get married & be faithful to your husban/wife alone", also it's possible paul was never married because he was married to his work as a pharisee & then continuing as the greatest Apostle in the history of the world for the cause of Christ. But maybe you have a translation that says what you are saying here ? I have the bible app & have most English versions, just not seeing what you are saying here ?@@viperstriker4728
1 Corinthians 7:26 "... because of the present distress ..." The advice is contextual to those people at that time under that particular persecution. In general, marriage is good and a gift from God, but for brief periods of time and under certain circumstances, it may be wise for Christians to suspend new marriages.
why was she working full time, postpartum with their first, and her husband was working PART TIME? i dont know much about them so im confused what the deal is with that situation? it’s like a plot hole in the story she’s telling. im just so confused especially being traditional and Christian, why wouldnt he get a part time job or at least step it up from normal for the household/food prepping duties. i mean working full time, feeding baby during lunch break. but like i said, i literally dont know much about these people so what was her job at the time? what was his? still throwing me off though. i just cant imagine any of my religious or secular friends letting their wives work full time postpartum regardless of finances. the couples i know who were in major financial struggles still had the man wrecking himself to work extra hours during the postpartum stage. then the wife went back to work. its just weird and given all the comments im reading about Lisa and her husband, it seems they give off really weird and not-right-in-the-head vibes
Not everyone can get it right the first time. They were a newly married young couple, life happens fast and some can't figure it all out right away. Grace, please.
@ no i think this one is pretty obvious. it’s also pretty self righteous to tell someone to have grace. if you read my comment it says that i dont know these people but that i am thrown off. so i dont see why and where “grace” is needed especially when this is a public platform and we share our opinions. i only ever shared my opinions on what she shared.
@@LL-iu3bi now we're not allowed to remind other believers to practice the grace that was given to us or else we're labeled self righteous? I don't think so. That's a matter of pride on your end because you don't want to admit your lack of grace. You were judging a family's early adulthood life choices and comparing them to others and then said they're "not right in the head" because they don't think like you or do things the way you've decided they should have done... But I'm the self righteous one, right...
@@LL-iu3bi @LL-iu3bi now we're not allowed to remind other believers to practice the grace that was given to us or else we're labeled self righteous? I don't think so. That's a matter of pride on your end because you don't want to admit your lack of grace. You were judging a family's early adulthood life choices and comparing them to others and then said they're "not right in the head" because they don't think like you or do things the way you've decided they should have done... But I'm the self righteous one, right...
Paul also gave more advice from him self not God on how women should dress and not braid their hair, but God says modesty is of the heart. If dressing in expensive clothes or doing elaborate, hairdos becomes an idol get rid of it.
Hey so 1 Tim 2:12 is ACTUALLY Paul talking about one particular woman who was disrupting the service. The fact that this isn’t common knowledge is beyond me. It’s a poor translation. Also please be more respectful when talking about Olive’s passing. If I were her mother I would be so hurt by how flippantly you mentioned her tragic death. Also she was 2. Not an infant. Not that it makes it any better but it’s important to talk factually about something so sad.
Love this interview the best!! Its interesting when people start speaking the biblical truth about the roles of a husband and wife, you instantly get the comments about how they are false mislead teachers 🤔.
When she said Paul said I forbid women to teach that really bothered me. Those were Gods words written through Paul. Not Paul’s words. She’s taking the woman should not speak in church to be too literal. GOD is talking about women teaching in the churches main gathering
Dear Allie, no doubt you've received many words of warning from fellow believers about platforming a prominent false teacher. There are many such warnings from your loving supporters in this thread. I'm shocked you choose not to heed those warnings, and instead, leave the interview on your channel. What's happening here Allie?
I really appreciate you having someone on your show who may not be of the same theological camp but affirms the core doctrine of faith and shared values. ❤
I appreciate that you both don’t necessarily agree on everything but were able to have a great conversation and share your perspectives and scripture. ♥️
I agree!!
Absolutely! This is the embodiment of Christ's LOVE. He said, "You will know they are my disciples for their LOVE for one another." And love conquers all! ❤
Lovingly and gently, as someone who experienced the consequences of WOF/NAR false teachings for years, please reconsider the Beveres.
Oh dear y’all are insufferable.
What does that mean though? Wof and NAR? Nobody will explain, they just accuse and slander with no context. I'm beginning to wonder if all these people were sent here or told to flood the comments and tear the Beveres down. It's a very low and dark tactic. Who are y'all partnering with, spiritually?
@ in terms word of faith and NRR are basically now just used as spare terms to demean preachers they don’t like. They never get into the theology or what the preacher actually says that they claim is against the word of God did just throw those words out to smear them and forget that so doing their disobey in the words of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I am tired of it and it has to stop. It is not a Christian like behavior to tear down people constantly because you watch some bad video of them on TH-cam like a critic
@RLS4jesus WOF stands for Word of Faith (meaning the Word of Faith movement, which goes against biblical Christianity in context), and NAR stands for New Apostolic Reformation (which is another movement that could be considered Word of Faithx10) there are some really sound teachers that touch on these different movements. Melissa Dougherty, Mike Winger, Justin Peters, and others have some great videos to look into regarding these movements and the false teachers that are apart of these movements. I grew up in it and there are many reasons why it is false based on what the truth of God's Word actually says but that is a good place to start if you are interested. The Bevere's pass a sniff test and may understand the true Gospel, but they actually promote many unhealthy and unbiblical views, such as submitting to your pastor in nearly everything, even if the pastor makes a request such as wearing oddly colored socks every single Sunday. This example that the Bevere's use is to promote the idea that churches should not go against their pastor, which can lead to a flock no longer questioning things that should be questioned and a lack of true accountability for a church pastor. I would encourage you to look into these movements and test the core beliefs of these movements to Scripture in context and see the truth of them for yourself 😊
@@RLS4jesusim pretty sure this information is easily accesible and please pray that your discernment be based on Gods Word and not how you feel
I’ve listened to both Allie and Lisa. I’m disappointed that so many refer to John and Lisa as false teachers; I can’t speak for what they may have taught before 2024, because I haven’t followed them in earlier years, but if anyone would listen to their current podcast on TH-cam, I think you’d have to jump through hoops and take their words wildly out of context to consider them heretical. Why do we, as a body of believers, seem to leave no room for people to grow in their understanding of the word and in their relationship to Christ?
John and Lisa are very clear that they strive to be teachable and repentant if they’re ever found to be in error. So far, I’ve heard them teach nothing less than Christ and Him crucified and the importance of knowing Him.
I think the crime so many are uncomfortable with is that the Beveres are not cessationists, which is no crime at all.
The Bible commands each person to work out their own faith with fear and trembling; I’ve never seen a single teacher that I thought was 100% on the money, who didn’t react in a fleshly manner at one point-including Allie, who I love! To err is human, to give grace is Godly.
God is the author and perfector of our faith, not Allie, the Beveres, or anyone else. Stop relying on teachers to spoon feed you theology and understanding. Stop being terrified of Christians from differing denominations. Seek God and He’ll get you where He wants you. It is evident to me that the Beveres love God and His word and they seek diligently to share it with a broken world. All non-salvific issues they may or may not have, I will leave in the sanctifying hands of God.
Beautifully said❤
Beautifully said ❤
Well said! Thank you 👏👏👏
Very well said!
Fire tunnels and unbiblical words of prophecy are on her agenda.
You know with all the complaining on these comments - whether warranted or not - this conversation may have saved my physical life. May people always 1st think how God can use someone a human may disagree with to save the life of another. My dad did basically the exact same thing to me at age 12. I licked a whip cream spoon from my grandmothers baking as a chubby-ish child and my dad told me doing that would make me fat. And I went on a 20 year disordered eating cycle that I struggle with even today. And I never had an answer for why I couldn’t get healthy. She laid it out beautifully. I started our church’s fast this morning before I heard this message and I wept. I was doing it “to diet” and to hopefully be healed. But I just want to see and sacrifice now. I want to denounce the number and my fear and claim Jesus as the only One I want and need. My ultimate Comforter. These actionable tasks of acknowledging my identity - my body - as Christs and being grateful for it instead of loathing its existence spoke to me deeply. Thank you thank you thank you. I felt God through your words.
Praise God for His work in your life!! His grace is abundant and available as He gives us eyes to see! ❤
@@gingermanswife you could also listen to Bevere's teaching on "Supernatural overnight weight loss". (Just trying to contend for the faith and tell you how UNBIBLICAL Bevere is)
Was your dad trying to be helpful in a parental, loving way in order to help his greedy daughter out? And you interpreted him wrong all these years? Or was he just being cruel?
One of the biggest problems with being against women in ministry is the incorrect understanding of spiritual authority.
Authority does not rest in a human. The authority is in God's Word, not in the messenger delivering the Word.
I love that you had Lisa on!!!! So good to champion other denominations when our base line is the same! We will literally spend eternity with one another! Beautiful example of being sisters in Christ!
Amen, amen
I am so encouraged by all the people who have called out John and Lisa Bevere as heretical false teachers in the comments. ABS must be and do better than platforming guests like this on her massive platform!
You're encouraged by people accusing and slandering other Christians? That doesn't seem right. Who are you partnering with, spiritually?
Where's the grace?
Relatabro here - my wife and I love your show and the guests you have are usually gear. But was rather disappointed in this one. I would not recommend my wife listen to Lisa or John Bevere as they have some serious issues. Although I appreciate your pushback on some issues and I do agree with her assessment of cultural feminism, I think the issues are a little too severe to be promoting her book as your audience will buy it and then possibly buys John’s which are also very problematic.
Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here but really appreciate you and your platform.
It's ironic because a lot of the conferences she speaks at reek feminism...girls with swords...
Thank you-I agree
Totally agree, having been rescued from heretical teaching. Believe me it was not easy, much repentance. While Lisa can be spot on about various topics, there is strong biblical error in too many important scripture matters. I agree sir, thank you for taking the time to post. You are so correct in not wanting your wife to listen to Lisa or John.
I agree with you. Lisa and John Bevere teach serious theological error and if Allie is recommending her book it can lead women down the wrong path. We know from the garden that women are more easily deceived and it concerns me if women start following Lisa. I came out of the charismatic Pentecostal church and have had to unlearn all the false teaching, including from Lisa.
What is wrong with you judgmental body of believers. Anyone that preaches/teachers the Gospel of Jesus Christ needs to be respected. Period. Judge NOT least ye be Judged.
So encouraged by Allie and the conversations she is having, I love how she is reaching across the isle and allowing the gospel to be shared with many that might not be in the reformed camp, we know God in his sovereignty can work in people’s lives just as He’s done for many of us who were not reformed and came from other evangelical camps. To God be the glory and all for His glory 🙏
Yikes-just looked up Lisa and found this.
Lisa Bevere- Not recommended. Lisa and her husband John (author of many men’s ministry books, former associate pastor to Benny Hinn at World Outreach Center, and current board member of Joyce Meyer Ministries-
This is not good. Doesn’t mean she doesn’t say some true things but this concerns me too much to recommend her.
What is wrong with you judgmental body of believers. Anyone that preaches/teachers the Gospel of Jesus Christ needs to be respected. Period. Judge NOT least ye be Judged.
@@amycourtney-messenger1642 God told us in his word to test the spirits and have righteous judgement/discernment/to beware of false prophets...aka the Bevere's. They do not teach the Gospel; they teach a false Word of faith gospel. John Bevere doesn't even teach grace right...
Definitely steer clear of the Beveres. th-cam.com/video/-3BThELhu04/w-d-xo.html
Love this podcast so much!! As women who love the Lord is ni e we can talk even if we dont discern the scriptures the same way. If you have excepted Jesus Christ as your savior then we are one body of Christ!! Lets focus on winning souls for Jesus! Lets focus on praying for our community and families!! May the Holy Spirit draw each of us higher in our prayer life, worship life and fasting! God is doing a new thing in 2025 in the body of Christ!! Blessings and love to all! 🙏 heart❤
I love your work, Allie, but I have an issue with something in this interview. Lisa describes her husband being gone a lot when their son was a teenager. Sometimes, Dad was home only one day a month, and not at his best even then. This was impacting the boy, because he needed his dad to talk to.
When Lisa sought counsel, she was told that their son could process things with her. He would someday be married, after all, and would be processing with a woman for the rest of his life. Lisa should submit to her husband and deal with his work schedule.
Honestly, I had to stop listening. The counsel she got is so wrong.
First, teenage boys have a right to their fathers. They need them, especially during the teen years. Processing with a woman is completely different from talking life's depths over with a dad. There is no substitute for a father. Believe me, I raised two sons without one.
Second, submission does not mean we don't address serious issues in the family, and this was one of them. A wife has a right and an obligation to stand up for the health of the family and the well-being of the children. In this case, her husband should have listened to her concerns and changed his schedule. If he refused, she needed to enforce some kind of boundary, brought the church in, gotten others involved. This can be done in the context of submission.
Dr. James Dobson had a huge, positive impact on American families through his ministry, Focus on the Family. When James was a teenager, his dad was gone a lot with his preaching ministry. He was doing well in his career.
But James was struggling without his dad. So his mom called his dad. "I need you here."
Guess what? James' dad changed EVERYTHING to save his son. He adjusted his schedule to be there for James. And we got Dr. Dobson--and with him, many incredible stories of redemption.
James' dad never revived his career after that decision. It cost him. But it was worth it to save his son.
That's what real men do.
👏👏👏
If you listen the podcast ‘At Home with The Beveres’ you’ll hear John and Lisa address the early days and how John acknowledges he should not have been away from home as much. All that to say, The Bevere’s have raised four men who are all proclaimed Christians and they’ve never had a scandal during their public ministry over the decades. I respect that a lot.
Why are you having this false teaching on the program? She is word-of-faith which preaches a false gospel.
YES! Thanks for being discerning!
@@racheltonner2509 Discerning what? Seriously asking? It seems people love to accuse other believers but have nothing to back up their accusations.
Saying someone is a false teacher does not make them false because you said so. If you do not have Biblical reasoning and solid arguments, then dont just SLANDER people who love Jesus and do a lot for God. Can we at least try to be sensible with each other as believers, or is it just okay to say things about people because you think we somehow get it all right?
@izannemarais156 slander is making a false accusation about someone. An assertion that is true is not slanderous. It is not incumbent upon the accuser to provide evidence in a comment section because yt doesn't allow links. If you want to do something with the accusation that has been made, then do the research yourself. We are, after all, commanded to test the spirits. I would suggest starting at servantsofgrace and famineintheland on yt.
@@chrisland4023 first of all, she’s not word of faith and also please stop some term just to disparage others because you watched videos that criticized certain people. It is appalling and unChristlike of you guys to keep doing that. Repent and stop judging others or else you’ll be judged by that same unfair measure if you’re going to call someone false teacher, then prove it through what they said that contradicts clear teachings of scripture and not just throw out a smear name.
I really love and respect your show, but I am so surprised you had her on, not just the female pastor issue but the connections to the NAR and WoF. Many women trust your judgement and it would be really concerning if they started to read or listen to some of the things the Beveres teach.
Agreed 💯
It's ok to have conversations with people we don't agree with.
@ false teachings go way beyond simply not agreeing.
Lisa Bevere is a woman of God.
Who are you partnering with, spiritually, to be intentionally slandering a fellow believer? It's not up to you to decide who is one of God's children or not. Judge not least ye be judged. You will be judged just as harshly as you judged others. Nobody's perfect, nobody has all the answers, not even you. It's called grace. Be careful who you're partnering with when you start using such low and dark tactics to divide God's people.
Not a fan of the Beveres. Word of faith.
they actually aren't. y'all love to tear down people. Not of God.
Lisa's story about body image is so worth listening to. Thanks for having her on, Allie.
"It is hard to present something to God if you think it is less than." Truth!
Love you, Allie. Careful sister.
I'm so disappointed that you have Lisa on as a guest. As someone who was in the NAR for over 20 years and listened to teachers (false) like the Beveres its heartbreaking. Now some women will like what they hear and go a search her out and possibly be lead a stray.
Everything discussed here is sound biblical wisdom, and they are uniting for the greater good and betterment of women in our nation and world which are in real crisis. That is praiseworthy. Unlike your projected judgments that only point to women tearing down other women. Jesus said it best, you will know they are my disciples for their LOVE for one another which is clearly displayed with these women doing this podcast despite theological differences. Unfortunately that is not being displayed by your character and projected judgments. I hope you will mature in Christ as these women have. At the end of the day, GOD alone knows our hearts and makes judgments. We are commanded to LOVE one another. ❤
Please tell me something that is not biblical that the beavers have preached. Something that contradicts the Bible. Please tell me one. Of course there is none but you do you.
@@TaraGrace444 the bible is clear to mark and avoid false teachers. It is love that warns others to stay clear of women like Lisa. They are the ones causing division by teaching falsely. Would you listen if she had guests like Joyce Meyers, Paul White, or Kat Kerr? We are to judge them by what they teach and avoid them. I spent too many years listening to women like this. Seems like I'm not the only one who disagrees with Allie's guest choice. Maybe you should do a little research on Lisa's teachings. Just a suggestion.
James Robison has platformed her and her husband as well.
@@karenmartin4221 do you see how you jumped to what platform she has been on to brand her a heretic. You couldn't find her teachings that are anti-biblical yet lumped a false label on her. Jesus warns against this. Please repent and stop seeking to tear down others for the sake of it. With the same measure you judge others you will be judged.
@31:07 this is a very dangerous idea that Paul is having non-authoritative opinions, like we are outside of his jurisdiction, like we can dismiss his words (especially if we don’t like them). Mike Winger had some great videos on these issues, women in ministry.
Paul is an Apostle of God and whatever he said was inspired and vetted by the Almighty! End of story!
@@garlandofbooks4494 completely agree! I did think Allie addressed it wisely
@@garlandofbooks4494 Agree! My jaw dropped when she said that.
Yeah-I believe she’s completely wrong on this
I think they are both right. People bring in their opinion and belief of their interpretation all the time. Doesn't mean Paul wouldn't/couldn't/didn't even in scripture. He does do it other times in scripture when he is stating the 2nd scripture as Lisa mentioned, he does it when telling people how to receive others he sends to them, he does it when he says he Wants certain things but God say or wait, etc. Yes, God inspires His Word but God uses Paul's humanity in it too.
I'm sorry, anyone who wants to talk about proper gender roles but then starts making exceptions for Paul's clear teaching on preaching and teaching is a hypocrite.
Yes she's in violation of God's clear command.
Be careful of a man that had no problem handing over men to Satan.
Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan,
-excerpt 1 Timothy 1
-words of Paul
...when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, I have decided to turn such a person over to Satan...
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 5
-words of Paul
No decent Christian talks like Paul did. There is a reason for that.
Jesus freed men from Satan. Jesus is our example.
Yes exactly!
@@Szpak-123stop with your nonsense. Paul is the apostle to the gentiles and had the authority to give us commands from Christ.
Paul never prohibited women from being pastors or spiritual leaders in the assembly of God's people (aka the church). If you are going to cherry-pick certain verses to say otherwise, I highly recommend you do your research first.
Im so surprised you had her. You could have had a solid, sound women on to discuss these things. Now the less discerning will follow her. Hes and her husband are dangerous in their theology. 😢
Completely agree that those less discerning could be led astray.
By what teachings specifically? Genuine question.
The pharisees said the same thing(s) about Jesus.
Can you give an example? I see so many people in the comments just paroting each other but nobody says what they've done that's so horrendous? 🤔
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So disappointed that you would bring in Lisa Bevere as so many people look to you, Allie for guidance on who to follow, who to trust. My prayer is that you will address all the comments you’re getting regarding this choice… seriously and soberly as you do everything else. I so appreciate your books, your program, your commentary, all that you do.
Agreed 💯
People should look to JESUS for 'who to follow' (NOT to Allie Beth), and people should discern for themselves by the Witness of the Holy Ghost & God's Word regarding (all) doctrine. I discern what Allie Beth says the *same* as I discern what Lisa Bevere says: Both are my sisters in Christ. Both are equally daughters of God. And both are humans capable of error - and both are saved/redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb. I am shocked at the pharisaical attitudes of some in the comments urging Allie Beth to shun a *precious* woman of God (Lisa Bevere). And I find it telling that it is not likely to see 'supporters' of Lisa Bevere telling her to shun Allie Beth. (What 'kind' of brethren are drawn to whom, speaks.) Jesus said it is our love for the BRETHREN that makes us KNOWN that we are His.
@@k.night-light5252 well said!! 👏👏👏
@@TGBTG7 you should look up to Jesus and not to people. Also, it seems like you’ve been watching the videos of so many heresy hunters you cannot even make clear judgment of what somebody teaches from scripture. Show me what the unvocal beliefs, or teaching that to beavers have taught. According to the Bible, please show me. Of course you won’t be able tobecause all you guys now know how to do is tear down others. Don’t forget, Jesus said the same way you judge others you will be judged.
Here’s a link to more on the Beveres. I’m actually a bit stunned by what I’m seeing on them. ABS is usually so solid on her recommendations so I’m confused as to why she’s recommending her, even with the short convo on differences. I think a follow up needs to be done on this.
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Thank you for warning others. The Beveres are to be MARKED and AVOIDED.
This was very informative, thanks for posting this. Truly these people are heretics
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@@conservativemama3437 yeah you basically put up a link of a woman that has been known to basically tear down other people and disparage them with lies. Good job. You guys have gobbled up so much videos disparaging other people that you don’t even choose to love someone first all you do is jump to tear them down and judge them. It’s Shamley what Christians these days put out, disparage in and tearing down other people without even showing the biblical basis for it repent or you will be judged by that same on fair measure too
I remember in my humanities class I'd written on Mary Wollstonecraft speaking in favor of what I now recognize as first wave feminism. Yes, her philosophy was very much removed from God, but after Marx came on the scene, the ideology morphed into something more insidious. My stance on feminism shifted so hard when we crossed that era that I practically gave my professor whiplash. 😅
This is so good Allie! This brings so much untiy to the body of Christ! 🙏🏼♥️
I feel like Lisa- its hard to know where to fit sometimes in the Church- regarading the charismatic and reformed camps. It would be wonderful to see Lisa on again to expound on that! Thank you, Allie for all the work you do to build up the body of Christ!
Oh I really liked her!
Lisa beveres testimony about her body really spoke to me. I've struggled with this my whole life. It really opened my eyes and heart to receive it. Thank you for sharing. May God bless you.
Rings true to me....also like Lisa for the first part of my marriage 😢
From South Africa 🇿🇦
Note about something not at all central to this but was still brought up--mary shelley, while married to an atheist, was a Christian. Her literature, especially Frankenstein, explores the human need for God and the dangers of taking things into our own hands. Christians, no need to shy away from reading Mary Shelley's works.
I agree that there is no need to shy away from Shelly's writings. I also believe that someone can read God into almost anything if they try.
But I would never call Mary Shelly a Christian. I would say Frankenstein was more of a philosophical novel steeped in alchemy and the occult. After running off with a married man at the age of 16 who left his wife Harriet and two young children behind (Harriet unfortunately committed suicide while carrying her third child as a result) and then proceeded to go gallavanting around the world with her lover. At one particular weekend, getaway with friends, while indulging in wine and laudanum "Frankenstein" was set in motion. I don't think Christ was her inspiration. The deaths and tragedy that surround Mary, Percy, their friends, and many of their family members are quite remarkable. Much sadder than the end of her book. So yeah, I would say read it, but definitely not as Christian literature.
@micheletisdale7467 she wrestles with God but by the end of her life does identify with Christianity. Ideas of the occult are clearly present in her literature, but as a warning and a catalyst to explore the human condition, specifically the potential dangers of knowledge, which I assumed she was inspired by the downfall of humanity in Genesis. She also was against the destruction of the family. But that's my opinion. Glad to read yours!!:) I also agree that she wasn't a Christian writer like CS lewis, but rather a writer that happened to be a Christian.
@@micheletisdale_HHWF great comment, Do you think Shelly may have been likely exploring the power of man, thru humanistic philosophies and mans moral responsibility to contain himself? That's what I thought after reading it in view of her personal beliefs.
I use to not understand how people heard from God until it happened to me.. the first time I was praying over something as trivial as my lost sweater ( it was missing for months) and I was praying about it and I heard direction in my spirit that lead directly to it … that’s how I knew Gods voice the next time I heard and it was about my marriage ending and as I cried out to the Lord, I heard that same voice say,” I’m going to save your marriage “… and He did.. I stood on that promise for 3 years until my husband came home and continued to stand on it as He has been rebuilding my marriage since then.
The Bible literally says “ My sheep hear my voice…”
Hi Allie, thank you for your ministry. Enjoying from South Africa 🇿🇦.
Please research this guests. In theological circles she and her husband are well known for false teachings, associated with Benny Hinn and prosperity teachings. This book might lead to Christians following her or John's out of context teachings. Praying for your leadership always.
Hi! Also from SA 🇿🇦. Thanks for the heads up
@danelleventer6094 👏🏼Ek wonder hoeveel Suid Afrikaners kyk haar program. Wens sy kan vir 'n toer hierheen kom nè?
Agreed 💯 🇿🇦
🇿🇦 Thanks for the heads up about Beveres
Pretty sure John has addressed the whole Benny Hinn thing without using names in a lot of his sermons.
Nobody's perfect. Grace abounds.
Love Lisa Bevere!!!! ❤ She is a strong woman of God who isn’t afraid to speak the Truth.
Appreciate the counsel for wives in regard to their husbands, however leading with “I feel” (four times!) in response to your question about women teaching in church is 🚩🚩🚩🚩 to me.
A Judge was cleared to teach scripture.
Deborah. Judges 4 and 5.
@@Szpak-123 Deborah did not preach or have authority in church. The point of the original commenter is Lisa answered with ‘I feel’ and that is not a biblical response.
@@debm3716
A Judge could teach scripture.
A Judge could execute a man for his sin.
The Judge during this time period was the
primary/senior pastor/shepherd of God's people.
(Deborah essay, read time: 10 minutes, postable here)
you wrote:
Lisa answered with ‘I feel’ and that is not a biblical response.
(Up front, I haven't watched the video.)
If a given 'feeling' is valid, then it's valid. Someone might say
"I always felt that, such and such." They could very well be
correct, yet not have enough scriptural understanding to back
that up.
This is old testament and seen as a sign of judgment. @@Szpak-123 Stop spreading this. It's shameful for women to teach over men.
@@racheltonner2509
(N.N. personal note)
The sending of a Judge was an act of mercy by God,
as written in the Book of Judges. Actually covered in
the essay, should you be referring to Isaiah 3.
As a man I've always had the greatest respect and admiration for women and girls, but I'm very turned off when they try to act like men. It's unnatural, and not fitting or appropriate. And it also doesn't even make sense to me. A strong man doesn't try to act like a woman, so why should a strong woman try to act like a man ? You can be strong AS a woman. ..
I liked this woman you interviewed, and am proud of her for defending females while still recognizing the value and virtues of men.
It's because feminists are insecure and honestly belief men are better then them. So they try to become men to fix their insecurity, in 4th wave feminism they literally try to become men.
I agree with you. This was a great interview.
So agree! Those thoughts are so necessary and needed in our crazy world today.
Thanks !@@ValentinaAnastasia
Wow Lisa doesn’t talk like this when she’s with her women groups like Better Together on TBN. Quite the opposite.
Yup, she knows how to play to her audience, but her core doctrine is squarely in line with TBN, Bethel Redding, and other aberrant Charismatic/Pentecostal/NAR bad actors.
What is wrong with you judgmental body of believers. Anyone that preaches/teachers the Gospel of Jesus Christ needs to be respected. Period. Judge NOT least ye be Judged.
Maybe those women aren't bold enough to tackle this subject. Personally, I haven't heard or seen any pastors speaking out, fighting for women. The church in general is failing
two dynamic ladies- i love these sisters in Christ. i needed to hear this! convicted me about how i sometimes speak about my husband (and even to my children)...my attitude. I also want to say that a friend gave me a book recently where the heroine was a Baba Yaga figure- later I looked things up about this witch and it was so disturbing to learn that she is now a heroine of the feminist movement- look up the history of Baba Yaga and it will tell you all you need to know about whether she should be admired.... Very telling
I'm laughing so hard at the menopause commentary. I started menopause a couple of years ago, and I started REALLY reading my Bible more diligently because I was becoming a CRAZY person who wanted to flip out on my kids and coworkers. I needed to wash myself in the Word! Hahaha.
Thank you both for examplifying the most mature conversation when facing differences.
Unity in the Body!! Way to not get sidetracked by quarrelsome debates but handle the differences with class.
I felt like I had to "drive the boat" for the first part of my marriage. I remember telling my mother in law that if I let him drive the boat, he would sink it. Her response...."let him sink it then". Like Sarah obeyed Abraham and called him her lord, you are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
Did she just say that because Paul wrote “I do not permit” instead of “God does not permit” that it gives credence to women preaching in churches alongside men? That’s a slippery slope if I ever saw one, don’t you think?
Also, doesn’t the verse go on to say “for Adam was created first; then Eve.” The following line should show any Bible reader that Paul is not referring to just the culture of their time but appealing to the creation order which isn’t flippant.
I like Lisa, I don’t listen to her stuff, but I do appreciate some of her stances, however this is sloppy hermeneutics…esp for someone who apparently teaches the Bible.
Deborah. Judges 4 and 5, else my free informal essay on her.
Cattle were created before Adam, by the way.
Allie, thank you for having Lisa on and giving voice to different sisters in Christ and creating unity in the body. I have learned so much from Lisa, and her message (and yours) is one that Christian women need to hear. Well done.
The theology of the Beveres messed me up for years. I’m really hoping Allie decides to dig deeper into it and make a video on why having Lisa on was not a good choice.
What theology was it that messed you if you don’t mind me asking?
@ charismatic legalism and word of faith. Driven by Eternity was filled with it. As were other books by John. I’ve never read any of Lisa’s books. But they promote and are promoted by Bethel Redding (hyper charismatic and word of faith). Look up their names on Bethel’s website. I don’t know what in the world Lisa was talking about when she said they weren’t charismatic enough for those in that category. They’ve also been promoted by Hillsong Church, Benny Hinn, Robert Morris, and Sid Roth, to name a few. And they endorsed the Passion Translation and its creator, Brian Simmons - look up the endorsements on the Passion Translation website. The only reason I ever even heard of the Beveres was because Bill Johnson promoted them and their books. I’m very disappointed in this whole interview and Allie’s lack of research/discernment regarding Lisa. I just want more people to look into them for themselves because this interview has the potential to lead many astray.
@@pamfoy I responded, but apparently my comments aren’t being posted. In a nutshell, charismatic legalism and word of faith. Look for my other comment in the thread for more info.
@@RobinStoddard yea, id also like to know what theology of theirs you're referring to? I see so many people bashing them but no explanation of what they did that was so horrendous? Be careful who you're partnering with...
Good job Allie! I enjoyed this interview. You might want to be prepared to be criticized by the reformed camp for doing this interview with Lisa.
Because she's a complete heretic!
Having her on as a guest is one thing, recommending her stuff is another. Do be careful Allie. In Jesus name
This discussion and work they are doing to empower women in the restoration of God's divine order is praiseworthy. God does not need you or us policing his universe or projecting judgments. They displayed the embodiment of Christ's love uniting for the common good and betterment of women. Are you? Those who criticize are never making significant changes in culture and this world but cast judgments behind a screen. ❤
@ Are you not using judgment right now by disagreeing with me? You used your discernment to make your claim and disagree which you have every right to do - and as do I.
I used my discernment to say what I believe is needed to be said about this video which is to be careful and to be aware of false teachers as the Beveres have been proven to be, to recommend and advocate misinformation and untruths is ungodly. Having conversations and respectful debates is fine, once that crosses into advocating and promoting those very things is another.
Romans 12:1-2 “people should not be of this age, but instead discern what is the will of God.”
Do you believe it is in Gods will to have mis truths of Him spread about? I encourage you to look into her more and read about the WOF/NAR movement and how unbiblical it really is and that goes for anyone who continues to choose to believe their mis truths.
1 Timothy 6:3 “If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing”
@TaraGrace444 are you not policing in this very response?Believers keeping their mouths closed and not speaking truth to one another is exactly why the church is where it is today.
you have become God right?? oh dear, y'all have become insufferable
@@TaraGrace444well said! 👏👏👏 All these people are saying the same thing with no context, I don't think they even know fully why and they're just paroting each other... Shameful
Great episode. ♥️
I really appreciate you having her on. The reformed world can label her as a demonic false teacher at times lol but I don’t see her that way. Both sides can run waaaaay too hot and heavy with their condemnations of the other side. I also appreciated her explanation of where she stood regarding men and women’s roles. My background is more like the world Lisa is in now, yet in recent years I hang out in and glean from more conservative circles. I don’t feel that they honor these men and women of God enough.. sometimes it’s just a semantic issue separating us. Thank you for not treating her as though she is an untouchable lol.
@@chb9197 i mean heaven forbid God would alliow women to teach, unless it is to Sunday school kids, right? How people created a whole doctrine around one Scripture often baffles me. Paul clearly said, it was his opnion that in context of that congregation, the women should not disrupt the meeting and yell over the men. And yes, women should be under leadership, but seeing how well lots of men have messed up the church with their abuse of power and sexual misconduct in churches. I dont then think a preaching woman is really the issue.
hi Allie I also found it impossible to believe that I heard from God except when I was like 20 years old , not even a believer yet, I was going to get married and I did get married, and while I was walking one day somebody said to me you are no longer the boss. your husband is the head of you now, I wouldn't even know where that came from, so, I know that was god.
This podcast was exactly what I needed to listen to - praise God!!
Bc it exposed the lies?
Hi Allie-new listener here. I was very shocked to hear that you promoted a guest who doesn’t accept God’s clear directive that women cannot be pastors and are not to teach in the church. At all. Dangerous territory. Please consider a follow up clarifying your views on this. I have recommended you to other women and am now having second thoughts.
She says multiple times she doesn't agree in this interview.
@kstarbar but she still recommends Lisa and her books? Hence, the need for clarification. If Allie opposes egalitarianism, she shouldn't recommend those who promote it. If Allie thinks the issue is secondary, then she should explain why any command of God can be relegated to an "agree to disagree" status.
God's word does not prohibit women from being pastors, and the very small handful of bible verses that have been cherry-picked to support the claim against female pastors have been debunked by a large and growing body of Biblical scholarship. The teaching that prohibits women as pastors is a gross mishandling of the word of God, and it's beyond the time the lie stopped being propagated through the church.
Respectfully, I challenge your view. God's word does not prohibit women in ministry. The verses often used to undermine women have been grossly misrepresented. From a spiritual perspective, we should be asking ourselves why is there so much vitriol and hatred toward women in ministry. It seems that Satan must hate women and be afraid of what will happen if the daughters of God take back their Divinely given, image-bearing, authority to rule and reign just as Yahweh designed for them from the beginning of time.
@@rebeccajolliff3378you are absolutely correct that women are vital to the ministry of the church. In Romans 16, Paul commended several women, who worked along side him, as fellow servants of Christ. But the position of Pastor and teacher, in the church body, has been entrusted to Godly men. Older women are charged to teach younger women. In obedience to Christ, we must recognize that men and women are not the same, and have different parts to play in the church, in submission to Christ, the head. Where men are not teaching and leading their congregations, while properly utilizing the gifts that God has given to the women, women have attempted to fill the void of leadership and create a major stumbling block in the church’s goal of making true disciples. It is not God’s design and further complicates the distinction God has made between men and women, resulting in all sorts of false teachings-feminism among them.
Really appreciated this conversation - thank you ABS!
I’m surprised you interviewed Lisa Bevere. I thought her and her husband were people to mark and avoid? Am I wrong??
You're not wrong! Lisa Bevere's doctrine is questionable on many fronts, but perhaps the underlying problem with her is that she says God actually wrote one of her books! And her husband agrees.
Lisa and her husband should be marked and avoided. Allie has no discernment and is proving more and more why women should not have the role that she has.
Discern with the Holy Spirit ;-)
They are mystics! Word of faith heretics! Always about the experience and extra biblical than knowing God for who he really is. Twisters of the Word!!! They do not abide in the doctrine of Christ!
You’re not wrong at all! Lisa was very deceptive when she claimed not to be promoted by the more charismatic circles. They are directly listed on Bethel Redding’s website and have spoken at numerous problematic churches and events. I commented separately with multiple links to show receipts.
Very bold of you Allie, I’m very proud of you for doing this episode knowing yall have different views theologically. Both of you showed the love of Christ, united for one cause the gospel, the kingdom of God.
Teach me, o Lord, to be sweet and gentle in all events of life...
Great interview. God blesses you both
I hope you’ll have a discussion with her and/or her husband about his “covering” theology that does such harm to so many.
It does? What’s going on?
Extreme damage!
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II Timothy 2 : 8 - 15 is not in the context of the church, but of marriage and the home ... the references to child-bearing and Adam and Eve (the first husband and wife) make that clear.
This particular episode is one that highlights that the challenges of having a daily podcast that is run as a sort of a paraministry. You always need to have a guest on and why not go for someone that is on the New York Times Bestseller list. Oprah used this approach and we see the result of that throughout the professing church today. Always talking, but never arriving at the truth.
When you start to equivocate and say that female pastors are not salvation issue, you a treading on the perspicuity of Scripture. For a thorough discussion of the of the topic of organization of the church read "Biblical Eldership" by Alexander Strauch.
Next when you have a half hearted discussion on the "hearing the voice" of God apart from Scripture you are starting to undermine the doctrine of the "Sufficiency Scripture". One of the cornerstones of The Reformation.
Better to stick with Rosaria Butterfield, Susan Heck and Nancy Pearcey (The Toxic War on Masculinity: How Christianity Reconciles the Sexes and Total Truth).
What is wrong with you judgmental body of believers. Anyone that preaches/teachers the Gospel of Jesus Christ needs to be respected. Period. Judge NOT least ye be Judged.
Allie Beth, I do not agree with a lot of your theology but I have respect for you. I have noticed a critical spirit in you at times. I don’t agree that you accused Ashley Hetherington of witchcraft for applying anointing oil, she used scripture and everything she spoke about was scriptural. You accused her - who accuses? Who is the accuser of the brethren? Who is critical? I just think that you should issue a public apology since you accused her publicly.
So glad you had Lisa on! Love her. ❤
Right off the bat, I could see through her fakeness... Her title says divine females..."I'm not saying we're Goddesses"...***Word of Faith teaching holds that its believers have a divine right to prosper in all areas of life, including finances, health, marriage, and relationships....
I thought that was off too
My informed biblically conscious speak to me too. Say God or the Holy Spirit speak us it's not wrong ,but it's dangerous say for all "God tell me". Scripture is the Vox Dei
@Allie Beth Stuckey Your modesty is beautiful.
Hi, Allie thank you for this episode showing how as Christians we should show the love of Christ to all believers. Some people in the comments judge Lise from other people's comments and not on her fruit. Listen to her podcast about biblical issues and see that she is not a false teacher. Believers must test and see the fruit of a person before judging them. That's why people in the world are afraid to be in the church because of believer in showing the love of Christ in them calling out sin from others. You can call out a person who is sinning, but not condemning them in making them believe there is no hope. Because Jesus Christ died for all mankind to be saved. That's all remember the cross and why Jesus Christ died because of love for the world. I know we can make mistakes and we all can fall short. Only in enteral glory we will be with no fault with the Lord. From South Africa love my sisters and brothers in Christ.
Thank you Allie for having Lisa on🙏👍🙏Such great stuff.
God's blessings from Bay City Michigan
Allie. No. Just no. When you highlight false teachers like this, you lead Christians who are young in their faith towards false teaching. This was the wrong decision. I hope you take this video down.
Hi Allie, Huge fan here....love the show and watch daily! But, I am a bit befuddled by the choice to have this guest on. John and Lisa Bevere are false teachers in every sense of the word, and should not be recommended or platformed by trusted Baptist/Reformed voices, such as yourself. I understand your right to platform whomever you choose, however false teachers like Lisa and John have the ability to cause both baby and seasoned Christians to stray toward their false beliefs....and that is a tragedy. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Can you please share what they have said or done to make them false? I honestly haven't seen anything they've done for like, 12 years or more.
Agree
@@sjking1111one thing is working with and for Benny Hinn, a false teacher
You didn’t watch the whole episode, did you?
What??? She is solid biblically! How can you say that?
How much longer until Allie’s on Michelle Lesley’s mark and avoid list, lol?!?
Wondering the same sadly.
I just looked this up…who is this Michelle? There are A LOT of people on this list. And I don’t necessarily agree with all of the people on the list…and some are definitely questionable…but I question some of her decisions…like Celebrate Recovery. I have gone many times…and it’s a group of people who acknowledge they are sinners, but know they need help to keep themselves accountable…you say I’m a faithful believe in Christ, my name is _____, and I struggle with ________…so she has that wrong in her article. And they say this because we need to identify as a child of God in need of redemption first…I don’t find anything wrong with this…and women are with women and men with men…no one is preaching…or pastoring…they are talking about their struggles and how Jesus has helped them…it’s bringing people to Christ 🤷🏻♀️
she will be soon, if she keeps this up.
I certainly pray not! She really has to get her research done before putting guests on. If she would have researched the Bevere's thoroughly, she would know better. I think this was out of ignorance. I pray for the discernment of the sheep!!!
@@racheltonner2509 and that shows she has no business being in this position.
I’m so sad to see this.
So many people have had their lives recked because of NAR/WOF teachings.
I’m so surprised to see this on your channel💔💔
Allie said at the beginning that she did not agree with a lot of this woman’s teachings. Did anyone hear that?
Merry Christmas ❤🎁🎄
Equal in value but the roles in the home and church aren’t the same. Amen
Hey Allie! This is off-topic, but would you consider tackling the Scofield Bible controversy? I would so appreciate your take on that particular subject. Thank you for all that you do for the body of Christ as you boldly proclaim the Truth and selflessly take the arrows!
It is not much of a controversy. Clear and obvious lies and only a recent change of Christianity (and only among the protestants, and not what Martin Luther ever understood/taught). See for example WhiteHorseMedia Steve Wohlberg and for example his book 'exploding the israel deception', for understanding about it, also videos about it exists elsewhere (with the same title).
I've tried to look into this myself.. if you like:
Jon courson has a sermon where he addresses the controversy. You'll have to go to his website searchlight with Jon Courson. The sermon is under his prophecy teachings and it's titled "The rapture, new teaching or timeless Truth?"
That sermon seems to be the best defense of this controversy I've found so far..
I also haven't had a whole lot of time to explore the sources he sites but I hopefully will.
Also check out any scholarship regarding the topic..
May God reveal the truth in your heart ❤
God bless you ❤
Scofield goes wrong in his footnote about placing a gap between the first 2 verses in Genesis. There is an "AND", not a gap. He did this in response to Lyell's long ages. There is no gap there.
Campus Crusade for Christ promote Scofield's reference Bible, so many of us made that our first read.
It probably took me 2 decades to accept the 6 days of creation as 6 rotations of the earth.
That comment by your dad may of been painful but at some level I appreciate that the person who loves you told you the truth!! Food is definitely an idol in our society and our young people are obese, miserable and unhealthy. We need to speak truth in this area as well.
Agreed! God had to get a hold of me and He's been working on me to not treat food as an idol..... it's def difficult !
I agree that food is an idol in society (believe me, as a gen z I’ve seen so many of my peers embrace over eating in the name of “body positivity”). However, do you agree that her father could have said it in a more kind manner without sacrificing the truth? For instance, rather than “you’re fat and boys won’t like you”, as a father it should have been “I’ve noticed you’ve been putting on weight and indulging in unhealthy eating habits. this is dangerous and can seriously impact your health and self-esteem”. But I definitely agree we need more people willing to confront this topic in this day and age!!!
@ariannan2710 sure I guess, but this was probably the 60s...no dad would of used the words "self esteem" back then!!!
Mike Winger has a very thorough study of women in ministry on his TH-cam channel that I would highly recommend. It helped me sort out what the Bible says about this.
Her husband sounds awful and shes clearly defeated in her marriage. I do not feel God in this. This is just delusion.
I am a feminist but I agree with Liza I believe women should frive but I love men.
I enjoy both of these women, but I'd like to clarify something. She briefly touched on being a former Catholic and said she'd never heard the Gospel. That is not BECAUSE she was Catholic. If anything, someone greatly failed in her catechesis. As someone who has faced attacks by Protestants because they believed Catholics weren't Christian, I think it's important to point out.
I'm sad that she didn't really answer the question about how to trust your husband in his leadership role when he's not a believer. I love my husband very much, but I also value finding the will of God for my life, so I have a very difficult time leaving decisions to my husband who doesn't seek the will of God. It's a hard situation and I would have loved some insight.
EDIT: I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has responded ❤️
Candice Cameron talks about going through this with her husband. She came to Jesus after they were married. She said she started praying that God would be seen in every thing she did.
I know this sounds odd, but ask God for guidance.
Your husband isn't a believer, but you are. ❤
So ask Him.
What you should be doing.
For me, I believe the Lord showed me, through Scripture and prayer, that by submitting to my husband I was trusting the outcome to God. Submitting to my husband was submitting to God's design. It was a matter of trust.
My husband never went into a church and made a profession of faith. But I do believe the Lord gave him wisdom in leading our family. I also believe He gave my husband the gift of salvation. As I look back on his life, I see the Lord changed him even though I hadn't seen it in the moment.
The unbelieving husband is sanctified through his believing wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband. 1 Corinthians 7:14
Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the Word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives. 1 Peter 3:1
The 1 Peter 3:1 verse was my go-to verse. It reminded me to keep my attitude in check and not roll my eyes or sigh. Yes, it is more than "without a word" because conduct is included. We are not submitting in good faith when rolling our eyes. This was HARD for me.
This made for a miraculous last half of our marriage. I thank God every day for three decades we had together. And I'm so grateful for the Word that guided our marriage.
Read Scripture daily, that will bless your marriage.
Even if your husband is not a believer you should still submit to your husband (1st Peter 3:1-2), as long as his decisions aren't anti biblical or leading you into sin.
The Bible states that the saved spouse is to be a Godly example to the unsaved spouse, even covering them in prayer.
You can usually tell when it is the Holy Spirit and not you. Once,when I was furious with my husband I heard ( not audibly) “ ask David to forgive you for the anger you are holding against him in your heart.” That did not come from me. I needed God to get me there before I walked down those stairs. It took a good while, but I obeyed the leading of the Holy Spirit.My husband looked surprised,but his wall came down. God does peak to us through the HolySpirit. You don’t always understand it at the time, but His ways are so much better than anything we would come up with. Many times it is something we do not want to do.
This is amazing! Love Lisa B, AND seeing you two together on the show 🎉!
❤ Lisa Bevere ❤
This video is an answered prayer from my family and I! Thank you Allie ❤❤❤ and Merry Christmas 🎄
Patriarchy is Gods Devine order for families and government!
Not government
@ Isiah 9:6
@@snsdb4299% of the greatest empires, kingdoms, and countries were lead by men.
Yes but also no.
Moses has to deal with a question of inheritance when a men dies and has only daughters, because in their patriarchal culture only men got inheritance. So he asks God and God says to give it to the daughters.
Patriarchy is a loaded word. Well God's way could fit into the category of patriarchy, usually that term refers to a very pagan way of doing things.
Some much of this was spot on. Great talk Ali!
Thank you so much for the reminder; garbage in, garbage out.
I have slacked off and watchjng yt, instead of reading.
As for women being subjected by emotions.
This happens every single time women take over a spciety.
The pagan seeps in.
The kids are at risk.
Every single time, women take over, men step back, this happens.
Then comes the backlash.
Men build. Women are chaos.
We need both.❤ men in charge. Logic. Leadership.
As a whole.Individuals will vary❤
Mark and avoid Lisa Bevere...be like the Bareans.
Acts 17:11
English Standard Version
11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.
The I-80 comes through San Francisco at its west end. There were 80 Tracts for the Times of the Oxford Movement. Pusey and Newman were with them, I think.
Allie- so disappointed you put a dangerous false teacher on your show. 😢
Wait, where does Paul say "don't get married" ?
Paul says forcing celibacy is a doctrine of demons, & juxtaposed with the teachings in catholicism, makes so much sense from pauls wisdom, & the created order of God in Genesis. Marriage is not for everyone, but Marriage & children is the goal for most of humanity, a good mathematical reason & rationality is birthrates, or the lack thereof in replacing the previous generations with new generations, this was a fun episode I really enjoyed this one.
1 Corinthians 7, he talks about how he is single and that is a good thing because he can focus on God's work rather then his wife. He wishes that everyone could be single like this and even says that it is good to stay unmarried. But in verse 10 he says "not I but the Lord", suggesting that all the "I" statements were his personal opinion but after verse 10 is God's commands.
Where does paul say he has/had a wife ? I have seen paul was single for missionary purposes after his conversion, its also possible while he was a pharisee persecuting christians his wife could have passed away & he remained single after that, but my point stands. He never says "dont get married" he is saying he has self control & because most dont have self control he says "do get married & be faithful to your husban/wife alone", also it's possible paul was never married because he was married to his work as a pharisee & then continuing as the greatest Apostle in the history of the world for the cause of Christ. But maybe you have a translation that says what you are saying here ? I have the bible app & have most English versions, just not seeing what you are saying here ?@@viperstriker4728
1 Corinthians 7:26 "... because of the present distress ..."
The advice is contextual to those people at that time under that particular persecution.
In general, marriage is good and a gift from God, but for brief periods of time and under certain circumstances, it may be wise for Christians to suspend new marriages.
why was she working full time, postpartum with their first, and her husband was working PART TIME? i dont know much about them so im confused what the deal is with that situation? it’s like a plot hole in the story she’s telling. im just so confused especially being traditional and Christian, why wouldnt he get a part time job or at least step it up from normal for the household/food prepping duties. i mean working full time, feeding baby during lunch break. but like i said, i literally dont know much about these people so what was her job at the time? what was his? still throwing me off though. i just cant imagine any of my religious or secular friends letting their wives work full time postpartum regardless of finances. the couples i know who were in major financial struggles still had the man wrecking himself to work extra hours during the postpartum stage. then the wife went back to work. its just weird and given all the comments im reading about Lisa and her husband, it seems they give off really weird and not-right-in-the-head vibes
Not everyone can get it right the first time. They were a newly married young couple, life happens fast and some can't figure it all out right away. Grace, please.
@ no i think this one is pretty obvious. it’s also pretty self righteous to tell someone to have grace. if you read my comment it says that i dont know these people but that i am thrown off. so i dont see why and where “grace” is needed especially when this is a public platform and we share our opinions. i only ever shared my opinions on what she shared.
@@LL-iu3bi now we're not allowed to remind other believers to practice the grace that was given to us or else we're labeled self righteous? I don't think so. That's a matter of pride on your end because you don't want to admit your lack of grace. You were judging a family's early adulthood life choices and comparing them to others and then said they're "not right in the head" because they don't think like you or do things the way you've decided they should have done... But I'm the self righteous one, right...
@@LL-iu3bi @LL-iu3bi now we're not allowed to remind other believers to practice the grace that was given to us or else we're labeled self righteous? I don't think so. That's a matter of pride on your end because you don't want to admit your lack of grace. You were judging a family's early adulthood life choices and comparing them to others and then said they're "not right in the head" because they don't think like you or do things the way you've decided they should have done... But I'm the self righteous one, right...
When Paul read the word of God he was referring to the Torah and Prophets
Glad I saw this now bc Allie’s book was in my shopping cart to purchase. Delete.
Paul also gave more advice from him self not God on how women should dress and not braid their hair, but God says modesty is of the heart. If dressing in expensive clothes or doing elaborate, hairdos becomes an idol get rid of it.
Hey so 1 Tim 2:12 is ACTUALLY Paul talking about one particular woman who was disrupting the service. The fact that this isn’t common knowledge is beyond me. It’s a poor translation. Also please be more respectful when talking about Olive’s passing. If I were her mother I would be so hurt by how flippantly you mentioned her tragic death. Also she was 2. Not an infant. Not that it makes it any better but it’s important to talk factually about something so sad.
Love this interview the best!! Its interesting when people start speaking the biblical truth about the roles of a husband and wife, you instantly get the comments about how they are false mislead teachers 🤔.
No it's not because they are talking about the roles. It's who she is affiliated with and what they repeatedly promote and teach.
Thank-you Allie! 👏👏
This reminds me of Dr Carrie Gress's research. She's brilliant.
When she said Paul said I forbid women to teach that really bothered me. Those were Gods words written through Paul. Not Paul’s words. She’s taking the woman should not speak in church to be too literal. GOD is talking about women teaching in the churches main gathering
Dear Allie, no doubt you've received many words of warning from fellow believers about platforming a prominent false teacher. There are many such warnings from your loving supporters in this thread. I'm shocked you choose not to heed those warnings, and instead, leave the interview on your channel. What's happening here Allie?