TEST | TRIUMPH STREET TRIPLE MOTO2 VS RS | RIDE ON
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Really appreciate your efforts here to take the time to compare and put your thoughts out there so comprehensively ! I personally want the RS, i saw Moto2 - it was cool but the price difference to me is not worth it - i would rather buy more gear to wear and ride more ;)
Thank you! The moto2 is nice to look at and ride, but has no advantages on the road over the RS for quite a lot more money as you mentioned. I can see an R, RS, and moto2 being the right choice for different people. But the majority will probably want the RS. It just has the right balance of spec and price. And irrelevant of which model, they all make a perfect power-to-weight ratio road bike. Glad you enjoyed it - don't forget to like and subscribe!
I have a new RS and it’s a dream. Super smooth everywhere. Has enough punch to pass on the highway while being civil enough around town.
Glad you love yours as much as I love mine! 👍
Good choice. Track Weapon is ready! More RPM (like more happy zone 😊), more braking power (brembo stylema) and better suited to the track day (moto2) 💛💛💛 and Cosmic Yellow is awesome 🤗
I'm still in love with the cosmic yellow... despite not being a fan of yellow!
Thanks for the review as I'm debating the 2 right now. They are asking more for the moto2 2nd hand than it was new. It's hard to say no though. I'd figure the rear feels different because of the body position. You've less weight on your backside, more over the front. They also don't have quite the same front end geometry, it's a small difference, .1 of a degree different rake but that's quite a bit when you add the clipons and the ohlins. I've ridden the RS, what a bike, doubt theyll let me ride the moto2 so it will be a leap of faith and an extra 6grand if I want it. I ride alot of track though on a Daytona and would love to put this on a track as the Daytona cramps me up a bit now I'm older.
You are spot on with your observations! If you're only going to use it on the track the Moto2 is worth it, but only at the MSRP. If you will use it on the road half the time, get the RS. There is absolutely nothing between them (including when knee down and riding at 10/10ths) but the more upright bars are much nicer on the road, and it's still a very useful saving for a bike that already has top drawer everything as standard on the RS. I went and started my cosmic yellow RS this morning, just to 'stare' at it. It'ss that kinda bike - buy with confidence, there's about 8 of us who have now and we love them!
One thing I am doing is I’m having the dealer add TPMS, frame sliders, cruise control and heated grips. Since they moved away from the old style metal tank I haven’t got a clue on how to pull the tank.
Well, that's four things, but fair enough! I had cruise control and heated grips fitted, both well worth it (should be standard on every bike IMPO), although IMHO Triumph grips are never quite hot enough, even if they are beautifully discreet being built into the grips themselves. Enjoy!
I've got a 2023 RS (my 3rd street triple), my mate got the Moto 2 as he does as many track days as he can except in winter but the RSs comfort won it for me as 95% of my riding is confined to the road and as an old git the Moto 2s clip ons were just too extreme for day to day riding especially in town.
I'm totally with you, Yonni. The RS is a very addictive bike. I have a 200-mile ride on Saturday. It's going to be cold here and I have the Multistrada V4S in the garage with its heated everything and decent screen.... but I want to ride the RS! 😁
@@RichDunn You lucky devil owning a V4S Multistrada , which is my personal favourite after the RS, enjoy your luxurious ride 😂.
Have the 1050 triple R ohlins F /B AWSOME BIKE
I wonder if you've been on the speed triple and would you take the speed over a street RS or even the street moto 2? All three are gorgeous but I feel for the street you can get the most out of the street models.
I've owned two Speed Triples, ridden two STR-R's and two moto2's. For the road, hands down, I would have a Street Triple RS over all of them. It's the most agile, the most comfortable, the most fun, and for me personally, the quickest to ride cross-country. I genuinely struggle to think of a better road bike that costs less than 20k. Temperatures weren't much above freezing on Saturday and I rode the RS 200 miles, when I could have easily taken my Multistrada with its tall screen, handguards, and heated seat. Enough said!
@@RichDunn interesting and thanks for the feed im debating on the street RS, street RS moto2 and the Speed triple 1200 RS.
@@stephencarbajal5657The moto2 is almost certainly already sold out. I'm not sure it's worth the extra money, but I'd pick that for a track day. The Speedy is now old tech and should be available at large discount. The RS is sold out for the year (in NA), but is worth placing aa refundable deposit for now, so ass to secure one by the spring, ready for three seasons of fun ahead. Let me know which way you decide!
@@RichDunn i actually have the option of all 3 models here at my dealership locally now color options on the 3 are limited though. Thanks for the response ill let you know, cheers
I think the difference in the rear shock is because you made the wrong adjustment. preload is not used for how hard the shock , it is used only for rider sag … even though the thought of reducing preload to make it softer ..
U may be in the linkage stroke zone that actually makes it feel a lot harder
Thanks for your feedback. The shock, spring rate, internal damping, linkage, and baseline settings for all three adjustment types are in fact exactly the same one both models. While preload only governs sag, the slight changes in ride-height, and the different ergonomics (clip-on's) does alter the c of g of the rider, and that in turn puts more or less pressure on both the compression and rebound strokes at both ends. A sensitive rider who is trying to, can feel these nuances. I'm happy with my suspension settings on the RS which suit my style and type of riding, so I did not make a wrong adjustment with my suspension settings.
If I’m honest I don’t like the moto2 colours. Wish they did upgrade packages to replace the whole front end. That would have made loads of people happy. My thoughts on the rear feeling plusher is that the whole bike is affected by both ends. If the front is better the rear would have a chance to react better.
Good thoughts: suspension, Stephen. But as we discussed in the interview, neither of us felt the Ohlins forks were any better on the road than the Showa big-piston forks. And ultimately, days later, we felt the rear shocks felt the same too - which they should do, as they are the same item. One publication said the geometry was different, but I can't find anything to say there is a rake/trail difference between the RS and moto2, only versus the R, and that's purely down to the 10mm spacer omission from the rear shock (plus it is a different shock).
@@RichDunn some say they find the R shock plushier for road use. I cannot comprehend how a superior shock cannot be adjusted to be as plush as a shock made at a lower budget so I’m sure that it’s either the less rake of the R bike transferring more weight to the rear or they have different spring weight. I know that the RS had 95Nm springs at the rear as it is clearly written, I’m not sure what the R springs are though. I’ve asked various bloggers, suppliers and uses but nobody gave me an answer. I’m guessing that they have different springs.
@@stephenspiteri_zunkus Inside the shock are damping valves, they are different. Ohlins on the RS have always felt stiffer, better for fast smooth road and track. The R can be set up stiffer for a track day, but couldn’t get ohlins as plush for imperfect roads. I got the R, it suits our roads better. Triumph make both models R and RS and they are quite clear about their uses, it’s not more £££ is better necessarily. You could get an R, save a grand and fit a Nitron shock built for your weight and riding style for £500.00 where the Ohlins give you no choice on spring at all. I did this to an mt09, better than the mt09 SP which had ohlins.
The 765 RS was a 'dream bike' for me for some time. Then I started discovering details that very few seem to be mentioning. Things such as,
- how busy the engine is in 6th gear, i.e. circa 5500rpm at only a little over 60mph. That's circa 500rpm higher than even the Triton 660 and considerably higher still than the MT-09. Making it low-geared in top gear may be fine for a track bike but it's not so great for those using it primarily on the road. I could do without the unnecessary extra noise, vibrations and wear and tear.
- the significant cost of valve adjustments (on this and other Triumphs) which also incidentally needs doing much sooner than on the MT-09
- penny-pinching ways, e.g. charging an obscene £325 plus fitting (and the inconvenience of needing to get it enabled at a Triumph dealer) for traction control which is included as standard on the MT-09 SP and charging £159 for the low-seat option when the likes of BMW do so as a zero-cost option
- its My Triumph Connectivity Module (a £241.40 option, btw!) and mobile app reportedly having connection issues for seemingly many owners. The app is rarely updated and has received a stream of complaints on the App Store. Navigation functionality is rudimentary and reportedly doesn't allow the use of offline maps meaning it'll drain your phone's battery and hammer your mobile data allowance
The Triton isn't a sports bike and the MT-09 is a larger engine, hence more torque. The 765RS doesn't need lots of torque because it's very lightweight, has low gearing, its engine spins up faster than those bikes, and it also has the running gear (Ohlins, Stylema, etc) to put down its power better. As the video showed, I'm often pulling away in 2nd (even 3rd) without realizing it, as the bike doesn't chug or bog down - it just accelerates cleanly, smoothly, and quickly - you really have to ride one (or two) to see!
Regarding vibration, after owning 40 bikes, and riding hundreds, I can say without a doubt, this is both one of the smoothest and most characterful engines that I've ever had the pleasure of using (at all revs). All those years of moto2 R&D did not go to waste.
Valve adjustment is every 12k, the same as say a BMW boxer which typically will be ridden a greater distance per annum. Yamaha and Ducati spring valves excepted (24k/36k), Triumph generally rules the valve intervals check, as most bikes in their range only require a check every 20k, and most oil changes are only every 10k. A sports bike, that may be used on track (not really an MT09 thing) should probably be checked more frequently, so it makes sense.
You're mistaken about traction control, which is standard on every variant and is lean-sensitive (as is the ABS) due to the axis IMU. Having high-sided before, no traction control would be a deal-breaker on any bike for me.
I've owned 10 BMW's including a low-seat GSA. You can only get a low-seat option "if" pre-ordered in that specification. I'm not aware of any other manufacturer that doesn't charge for a low seat, does Yamaha? Perhaps when spending $30k, which I did on my last BMW, it should be expected. But for half that price, with this level of equipment and performance, it doesn't surprise me that it's not an option. Note: the 10mm space can be removed from both the RS and moto2 rear shock to lower it to the same ride height as the R. Your dealer should do that free of charge at the PDI if you ask them to.
The connectivity suite of BMW, Ducati, Triumph, and others is extremely poor (I've owned and tested them all). I've complained to each manufacturer and highlighted my concerns (no GPX import/lost connectivity etc) with no joy. I even made videos about it, and talk to some of them directly and in person (at a very senior level) for hours. That dog will not hunt. It was compounded when they moved away from pure Bluetooth to Wifi, requiring their apps to be the current displayed else connectivity was lost - meaning, you cannot run and watch Waze for hazards ahead if also running the proprietary connectivity application. Honda, Indian, and now HD have got it right (taken the least path of resistance) - and just stuck CarPlay on it and let the app manufacturers offer compatible navigation apps. Then customers can use whatever they wish (Waze, Scenic, Rever, MyRoute-App, etc). But that's not a problem exclusive to Triumph is it? And an RS/moto2 ain't no pack-mule tourer, is it?
Anyhoo, many thanks for sharing your thoughts, I greatly appreciate it! 👍
@@RichDunn Many thanks for the detailed response. I somehow mistakenly typed "traction control" when I meant to say 'cruise control'!
12k miles before cable adjustment? And oil change every 10k miles? Ouff my delete set mine for next oil change/ service in 6000 kilometres 😂
I daily my 2024 RS and even at 80mph in 6th gear it’s not bad.
@@RadDadisRad Reportedly 7000rpm @ 80mph.