Jeepers Matt. That garage is clearly modelled on mine. I'm afraid I'm going to have to do you for copyright (though the dog cage is a nice extra touch).
I first produced this conversion back in the 1970s for a Coupe engine I was marinising for a power boat . The pump gears were OEM Buick obtained through Custom Maid at Goodmayes .. The drive gear required shortening and a U drive for the distributor machined in . The spacer I cut from a scrap timing cover , milled to suit the extra gear length .A couple of thin gaskrts and replace the cover and filter . I also made the pressure relief adjustable by drilling and tapping the pressure relief cap , used half nut , bolt and Dowty seal .
I see Rover V8 content, I like, I comment. I'm currently trying to soak up as much information about these engines as i can, as I plan to do a very special swap into another Rover. Cheers for the content.
Lot's of people advise building up metric threaded stuff using a lubricant [copperslip etc] for road wheel nuts/bolts etc. This is because a standard metric thread is relatively loose thread fit and a coarse TPI. With older imperial threads such as UNF/BSF there is a possibility of stripping the thread and should be fitted dry [ or possibly using a loctite product]. It's a good habit to check all threads first before assembly to check for stretched or damaged threads. A tap & die set plus a thread file comes in very handy! Posting this just in case you didn't know! Another interesting video Matt!
, UNC (Unified National Coarse), Class 2A thread tolerance if not explicitly stated otherwise. Unified National Fine in 1/4" would be 28 threads per inch. The Metric system does make far more sense with two exceptions that suddenly come to mind: class of fits with minus/minus tolerances (WTF) and the stubborn refusal to state what pitch a given diameter fastener thread is, as if everyone should have that memorized by rote from Kindergarten (Metric ISO do have different pitches such as Fine, but they just don't like to talk about them).
It will be great to see the Rover back on the road. Now I'm the opposite Matt. I can work with Imperial sizes but can't get my head around Metric! Must be an age thing! Thanks again.
I can do some..a lot is just having the confidence to have a go, annoyingly the more I spend on a project the less confident I get in case it goes wrong! You can learn alot following the Haynes manuals and get a long way to getting yours back on the road
Hi,what a video,your getting closer to sorting out the P6 engine,it's a beast LOL,you have got a few classic cars,a Mini as well I heard you say,I like to see that one.
Question, i gather your fitting the uprated gears to the oil pump due to the larger engine, but would it be necessary for the 3.5L originally in (I assume not?)... after all the existing gears worked for many yrs 'as is' when Rover took over the engine?
Are you really sure about the 4.6? I thought the 3.9 was the best of the bunch - I heard the 4.6 was a step too far and very unreliable. Also, in a P6B would the suspension cope with the increased power/speed or are you planning on ruining Spen King's very carefully designed suspension by 'upgrading' it? Just asking as a former 3500 owner. Mike
Hi Mike, the 4.6 can go porous but this one has been machined by an engineering shop with good V8 knowledge (and runs a 4.6 RR) and this looks to be a good block. Im going to add stiffer springs and a thicker anti roll bar in the front, similar to the track cars when they they were new
@@furiousdriving was there not a police suspension set up for the p6,ps i can't believe i am saying these things as i thought i knew nothing about rovers lol
What do you think of the story that running a high volume pump conversion is hard on the distributor drive gear? The drive gears are seriously big for the size of the engine .i have a spare engine here with a SD1 front cover and the gears look a lot bigger than 3.5 gears but it has the same drive for the distributor and no wear on the gears or stress damaging .The high volume pump has been around for decades,being originally for the buick .I think Mellings used to sell a kit too.
I dont think its a problem, they run them on race cars at higher rpm and under heavier loads than road cars, and they are supplied by Rover V8 specialists, if there was an issue they know about it and warn people or stop selling them
Hi.nice to see someone else struggles in their garage with space.Can i ask a serious question about that 4.6. Did they check the liners for movement before they honed the bores? A common fault with these blocks being porous and badly machined, was that as the car collected mileage the radiators clogged up causing a temperature rise, which in turn caused the liner to slip. Customers with the idea that the camshaft had a bad tappet noise, were soon disappointed when they replaced the shaft and hydraulics to find it still tapped when hot.
@@furiousdriving the vaseline wont harm it it degrade and like I said if you take the pump off when you change the oil you have to pack the pump again and you'll bee in the same situation
www.V8tuner.co.uk supplied most of the parts for this build, although they have very sadly had a bereavement in the company so they are open but Im not sure what is in stock just now
Depends on what you worked on. Fractions is a very complicated system and easy to forget if you dont use it for years and years. I'm from a totally metric country but I understand fractions somewhat becasue I worked in hydraulics manufacturing pipe fittings and lumber etc. In saying that some times the steps between screw sizes are better on fractions but it doesnt make sense anymore for most things.
@Indosarnia I know that but you don't have metric fractions on tools though. On metric it's decimal. And nowadays I'd say its SAE rather than imperial.
You’re packing that oil pump with Vaseline without first disassembling and recleaning. Despite the instructions specifically telling you to do it the other way round. Well you know best I suppose.
@@furiousdriving On the engineering drawings we had for programming the cnc machines when I worked in a machine shop it would be specified if a hole was metric or wether it was unc unf pipe or npt/bspt. I'd say that's a much easier way of labelling screws aswell since in this case UNF or UNC can only be one spec for a specific screw diameter. Why they would specify the number of threads is beyond me unless they made some kind of bespoke spec to make life difficult which really wouldnt be beyond BL.
yes, its the same engine, you just change the timing cover and sump to suit. I almost bought a P5B with a dead engine at the same time as I started this project and thought about putting it in there
Those questions were what was GnR’s first uk single (or first top 10?) It was Paradise City and name the song from a clip -Teen Spirit. Then round 2 had name The Orbital’s biggest hit? I was in my element
@@furiousdriving Paradise city was a great track in fact appetite for destruction the whole album was great. Not sure but was chime the biggest orbital single? loved the late 80s early 90s dance/techno/trance/acid rave music. ps perferred 808 state to orbital, saw them live at what was then the gmex manchester.
Not sure which was their biggest but the answer was Little Fluffy Clouds, which Ive actually referenced in a previous video, might have been the Rover convertible? That was a great time for music
Lol I got 12 points in the first round, & 3 thats right 3 in the second🙃 I’m referring to Pop Master obvs Edit; Todays Pop Master went as follows round One - 0. Round two - 9 🙃 And I only knew ‘End Of The Road’ in the three in ten. How’d you get on Matthew?
Jeepers Matt. That garage is clearly modelled on mine. I'm afraid I'm going to have to do you for copyright (though the dog cage is a nice extra touch).
I think of it as added security, if a thief tried getting in he'd trip and be buried under an avalanche of stuff!
I first produced this conversion back in the 1970s for a Coupe engine I was marinising for a power boat . The pump gears were OEM Buick obtained through Custom Maid at Goodmayes .. The drive gear required shortening and a U drive for the distributor machined in . The spacer I cut from a scrap timing cover , milled to suit the extra gear length .A couple of thin gaskrts and replace the cover and filter . I also made the pressure relief adjustable by drilling and tapping the pressure relief cap , used half nut , bolt and Dowty seal .
I see Rover V8 content, I like, I comment.
I'm currently trying to soak up as much information about these engines as i can, as I plan to do a very special swap into another Rover. Cheers for the content.
Lot's of people advise building up metric threaded stuff using a lubricant [copperslip etc] for road wheel nuts/bolts etc. This is because a standard metric thread is relatively loose thread fit and a coarse TPI.
With older imperial threads such as UNF/BSF there is a possibility of stripping the thread and should be fitted dry [ or possibly using a loctite product]. It's a good habit to check all threads first before assembly to check for stretched or damaged threads. A tap & die set plus a thread file comes in very handy!
Posting this just in case you didn't know!
Another interesting video Matt!
I must say that I am ever so pleased to see the Alfa Romeo once again and also some progress on Rover P6s is always good!
Hopefully I can extract that and get it to Margate on Sunday!
@@furiousdriving , yes indeed, sir, particularly as I just mentioned it in the most recent video on my channel too!
Ill watch now for the update
@@furiousdriving , thanks for watching!
Brilliant vlog matt that p6 is going to be one mean car when the 4.6 is dropped in... 😁
I cant wait to drive it
9:54 1/4 - 20 is quarter inch bolt with 20 threads per inch.
, UNC (Unified National Coarse), Class 2A thread tolerance if not explicitly stated otherwise. Unified National Fine in 1/4" would be 28 threads per inch.
The Metric system does make far more sense with two exceptions that suddenly come to mind: class of fits with minus/minus tolerances (WTF) and the stubborn refusal to state what pitch a given diameter fastener thread is, as if everyone should have that memorized by rote from Kindergarten (Metric ISO do have different pitches such as Fine, but they just don't like to talk about them).
It will be great to see the Rover back on the road. Now I'm the opposite Matt. I can work with Imperial sizes but can't get my head around Metric! Must be an age thing! Thanks again.
I guess! I was born after decimalisation and its just a jumble of numbers to me! Cant wait to be driving this again though
Can't wait to see the whole car complete I have a 4.6 p38 range rover and it moves the p6 will be a beast with a 4.6 in
The bloc for this came from a P38, Ive driven one with the same engine you're right, it really shifts! Cant wait to see what it can do in a P6
@@furiousdriving is there not a hot cam available for the rover v8??? drop that in to
yes there are a few, this has a Crower fast road fitted with Cloyes adjustable timing gear
Can’t wait to see it on the road, and the merc too
that will be a good day
Hopefully we will see it, your lucky that you can do most of the work yourself, I can’t and my ‘classic’ is still in the garage, over a year now
I can do some..a lot is just having the confidence to have a go, annoyingly the more I spend on a project the less confident I get in case it goes wrong!
You can learn alot following the Haynes manuals and get a long way to getting yours back on the road
Wasn't boring at all was good 👌👍
You should always pack the pump with vasoline to allow the oil to flow properly, as my rangerover is the same
Hi,what a video,your getting closer to sorting out the P6 engine,it's a beast LOL,you have got a few classic cars,a Mini as well I heard you say,I like to see that one.
Its a pre-prodcution new Mini, a classic is on the cards at some point, its income earlier videos and will be back in another soon
Question, i gather your fitting the uprated gears to the oil pump due to the larger engine, but would it be necessary for the 3.5L originally in (I assume not?)... after all the existing gears worked for many yrs 'as is' when Rover took over the engine?
probably not in a 3.5 unless you were planning on using it for competition or extended hi speed running
As I thought... many thanks! Cheers
wow , good work has nothing to do with big space.... thumps up for your projekts!
Are you really sure about the 4.6? I thought the 3.9 was the best of the bunch - I heard the 4.6 was a step too far and very unreliable. Also, in a P6B would the suspension cope with the increased power/speed or are you planning on ruining Spen King's very carefully designed suspension by 'upgrading' it? Just asking as a former 3500 owner. Mike
Hi Mike, the 4.6 can go porous but this one has been machined by an engineering shop with good V8 knowledge (and runs a 4.6 RR) and this looks to be a good block. Im going to add stiffer springs and a thicker anti roll bar in the front, similar to the track cars when they they were new
@@furiousdriving was there not a police suspension set up for the p6,ps i can't believe i am saying these things as i thought i knew nothing about rovers lol
they had front spoilers under the front bumper, I have a set waiting to go on this
Going to be great when done
I shouldn't have left it so long to get done
What do you think of the story that running a high volume pump conversion is hard on the distributor drive gear? The drive gears are seriously big for the size of the engine .i have a spare engine here with a SD1 front cover and the gears look a lot bigger than 3.5 gears but it has the same drive for the distributor and no wear on the gears or stress damaging .The high volume pump has been around for decades,being originally for the buick .I think Mellings used to sell a kit too.
I dont think its a problem, they run them on race cars at higher rpm and under heavier loads than road cars, and they are supplied by Rover V8 specialists, if there was an issue they know about it and warn people or stop selling them
Hi.nice to see someone else struggles in their garage with space.Can i ask a serious question about that 4.6. Did they check the liners for movement before they honed the bores? A common fault with these blocks being porous and badly machined, was that as the car collected mileage the radiators clogged up causing a temperature rise, which in turn caused the liner to slip. Customers with the idea that the camshaft had a bad tappet noise, were soon disappointed when they replaced the shaft and hydraulics to find it still tapped when hot.
Yes, the machine shop www.motortechengineering.co.uk are very familiar with these, in fact the owner has a 4.6 hes built in his own Range Rover!
The vaseline will degrade in the oil so no need to change the oil plus if you take the filter off and pump to clean you'll have to pack it out again
yes thats normal practice, change the break in oil as soon as its done
@@furiousdriving the vaseline wont harm it it degrade and like I said if you take the pump off when you change the oil you have to pack the pump again and you'll bee in the same situation
hi nice video, how do you know you got all the swarf out of the pump?
visually - its simple enough a thing you can see into it
Where does one find one of these kits? I have searched in internet and not been able to find these.
www.V8tuner.co.uk supplied most of the parts for this build, although they have very sadly had a bereavement in the company so they are open but Im not sure what is in stock just now
In your 40s and don't understand imperial? what happened to this country? I understand it perfectly fine at 34.
Though don't get me wrong, you have the skills to work on your cars I could only wish for..
Some skills, bourne of necessity - I had to fix my own cars (with dads help) since I was 17!
Depends on what you worked on. Fractions is a very complicated system and easy to forget if you dont use it for years and years. I'm from a totally metric country but I understand fractions somewhat becasue I worked in hydraulics manufacturing pipe fittings and lumber etc. In saying that some times the steps between screw sizes are better on fractions but it doesnt make sense anymore for most things.
@Indosarnia I know that but you don't have metric fractions on tools though. On metric it's decimal. And nowadays I'd say its SAE rather than imperial.
You’re packing that oil pump with Vaseline without first disassembling and recleaning. Despite the instructions specifically telling you to do it the other way round. Well you know best I suppose.
How many cars do you have you must have deep pockets or a very understanding wife keep up the hood vids
Empty pockets and an angry wife...worst of both worlds!
1/4-20 could it be 2o threads per inch and 1/4" bolt. Might be more helpful to call them UNF or what ever the british equivalent was.
the sheet didnt specify which kind it was, but that makes sense
@@furiousdriving On the engineering drawings we had for programming the cnc machines when I worked in a machine shop it would be specified if a hole was metric or wether it was unc unf pipe or npt/bspt. I'd say that's a much easier way of labelling screws aswell since in this case UNF or UNC can only be one spec for a specific screw diameter. Why they would specify the number of threads is beyond me unless they made some kind of bespoke spec to make life difficult which really wouldnt be beyond BL.
would this 4.6 work in a p5 too?????
yes, its the same engine, you just change the timing cover and sump to suit. I almost bought a P5B with a dead engine at the same time as I started this project and thought about putting it in there
@@furiousdriving p5b is just a beautiful thing the idea of one with 4.6 and hot cam sounds fantastic
One day...
What the hell are you doing with that drill? That piece should be held securely in a vice.
axl rose and kurt cobain were the other two front men!
Those questions were what was GnR’s first uk single (or first top 10?) It was Paradise City and name the song from a clip -Teen Spirit.
Then round 2 had name The Orbital’s biggest hit?
I was in my element
@@furiousdriving Paradise city was a great track in fact appetite for destruction the whole album was great. Not sure but was chime the biggest orbital single? loved the late 80s early 90s dance/techno/trance/acid rave music. ps perferred 808 state to orbital, saw them live at what was then the gmex manchester.
Not sure which was their biggest but the answer was Little Fluffy Clouds, which Ive actually referenced in a previous video, might have been the Rover convertible? That was a great time for music
Lol I got 12 points in the first round, & 3 thats right 3 in the second🙃 I’m referring to Pop Master obvs Edit; Todays Pop Master went as follows round One - 0. Round two - 9 🙃 And I only knew ‘End Of The Road’ in the three in ten. How’d you get on Matthew?
not so good today, only about 2 right in the first round and I was at work so couldn't hear the radio properly and missed the second round!
furiousdriving Oh that old chestnut, “Couldn’t hear the radio” indeed 🙄🤥🤣
Bees Wax funny I can never hear when it’s 60s pop or Eurovision winners!
do you have to pay road taxes for these cars?
some are old enough to be free but I tax one or two at a time of the newer ones, I couldn't afford to do all at once!
You don't understand Imperial? What is wrong with you? We American's have no problem living in the 18th century. Geez-o-man.
haha if it was good enough for great great grand pappy...
Sort your garage out dude
I can't grasp imperial measurements either.
It like a round of Numberwang!
@@furiousdriving 😆
You need a bigger garage !!!!
very poor presentation