Jaguar & Land Rover Ingenium diesel part 1. Timing chains, balance shafts, engine mounts. Any good?
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- In this video we discuss the repairs we carry out weekly on the Land Rover Ingenium engine.
We start a lot of work on a Jaguar XE engine and talk you through the process.
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Great to see the TH-cam channel up and running now Josh, proper workmanship! look forward to more videos and hopefully see a video of all the work you done on my Evoque.
Great work chaps. If only engines could be as simple as the old days.
Enjoying your video, can't wait for part 2.
Great video - Can't wait for part 2 - Thanks
Excellent content looking forward to part 2👍
My neighbour bought one and I still have my old td5. He cursed the day he ever bought it. Never out the garage and full of constant gremlins. Too complicated to fix / diagnose himself. My old girl is still going without problem after 21 years. Good video 👍
Thanks for the video. Great knowledge
Brilliant video
Just found your Channel Josh and I think you've made a great start,. I agree with some of the others that a laser pointer might help with pointing out Difficult to see parts. Saw you doing some work for salvage rebuilds and thought at the time that you were a top notch spanner man! Good luck with the channel and I hope it all goes well for you.
Top video great to see a true mechanic at work!
Thanks 👍
Hi there from a fello self employed mechanic in your opinion if I do regular 5k mile oil changes with top spec oil will this prevent timing chain issues I have a customer with one or they will let go regardless great video by the way
I did about 125k miles with the 2.2lt engine in a Freelander 2 and it was solid. I replaced that with a 2lt ingenium Discovery Sport and that has been great as well with only a thermostat cover needing replacing in 70k miles. The key is not follow the 21k service intervals and change the oil at 10k. This normally is when it says it needs servicing anyway. Great car - a real workhorse and lovely to drive.
I’ve been waiting for your channel, Josh well done 👍
Nice one! Had mine in with you for the mounts the other week, no doubt timing chain and balance shafts eventually. Be good to see some of the investigation work as well, always interesting seeing the rebuilds/major fails.
Very very clever man. You're so methodical. I watched most of your videos including with SRUK. Wish you were in my country to solve my 330e gearbox.
Send the gearbox to zf, they are really helpful
I’ve now had 6 Ingenium Engined Land Rovers and Jags. With the exception of one, they’ve all done relatively high mileage for their age - like 60/65 k in about 2 years. Those have all been faultless. My wife has a 2017 Evoque ( from new) which has only now done 38k and it’s been a nightmare this past year. New injectors/ new DPF/ major leak on the AC system somehow linked to the engine coolant that took a JLR garage a year to find plus numerous other bits. I’m convinced that if you use them for long journeys and get them properly warmed up they are ok. Pottering around on short journeys and they are just not up to it.
Great video. It is woeful what these manufacturers have done. Engines grenading at less than 100k miles. I had two x-Types (Mondeo in drag as some like to say) but a v6 2.1 Petrol and a 4 Pot 2.2d, both did £225k miles without any issue ( the odd lambda sensor and EGR) neither needed a clutch either. I've just had a Vauxhall Grandland bork it's wetbelt at 60k, throwing oil pressure failure warning, crazy
We've got a 2.2 Disco Sport and it's been 100% reliable, I wouldn't touch an Ingenium engined one with a barge pole. Great knowledge Josh 👍
The 2.2 is a Peugeot engine i think .. decent engine
Well done. Really enjoyed it would definitely come to your garage if I had a problem
can't wait for part two! I just had my timing chains replaced and I'm very curious to see your oil leak fix.
Fascinating insight into the limitations of modern engines
Not all modern engine just shit JLR engines
@@DaleSteel Have you watched the VAG audi guys on timing chains, and others on modern vauxhall engines, and BMW mini timing chains - the list goes on
@@GordonHunter cars can have issues if not maintained but its not a limitation.
Great video sir, makes me grateful for being unable to afford a Jag/Land Rover. Longer videos are also perfectly fine if the subject requires extra time.
Excellent Josh.. I'm learning a lot about JLR engines etc from you and your team At JR Vehicle Services. It's a whole other world from the motor trade that I worked in during the 1960's & 70's. I'd have liked to see you removing that engine from the car.. Perhaps next time..
Great video josh great to see doing the channel, loved your videos on sruk, them engines are not great.
Ive done both chains and B. shaft by just removing the rad pack. All done in one day . I work in dealer and have never seen any of our boys take the front end off.
But top mark to you, i like your work.
Thanks mate. Be interested to know how as the tools plus shaft stick past the bumper???
Unless we are missing a trick!
@lintonlewis4615 brilliant will try it thanks. Topix says remove front.
For the Evoques etc we just got some long M14 x 1.5 studding and drop the engine that way. They clear fine.
Good for you. Mate as the work is constant, I will stick with my citroen 1.6..diesel 225k on clock... Drives like new... Car cost £100.to buy 8 years ago..still going strong ... To think daughter got one of these cars (jlr) 😢😢😢😢😢😢❤️🇬🇧❤️🇮🇱
Worth noting early Discovery Sports retained the Freelander 2 engine. The Ingenium engine came along towards the end of the first year of manufacture, so not all Discovery Sport Engines are bad, secondly they are built in Telford at a plant JLR specifically built for the production of the unit, it was designed to be modular, allowing different cylinder number variants.
I’ve just watched your video and comments. It’s concerning however I’m in my 3rd Evoque, one being the PSA engine the next and present one are Ingenium engines. I have to say…. I’ve never had a problem with any of the engines thankfully. I do service correct time and I use it once a month for my 52 mile commute to ensure it gets a good run so its self maintenance can take place. I do think if you get a good dealer, who will address any issues quickly that adds to the experience. One thing I would add I never push the engine until it’s warm.
Great video Josh, would you be able to give an estimation on how much time it takes to do the job from start to finish and what the approximate cost is? Would love to have a “ let’s crunch the numbers!” at the end, Salvage Rebuilds style, then we can see if the horror stories are true! Keep up the good work!
I had a mk3 mondeo st tdci with the 2.2 psa engine, a great engine powerful reliable and efficient 220 000 on the clock was still running great, only downside noisy sound like a tractor especially as it got older due to wear on timing chain tensioner
Ive got a Jag E-pace 180D which is coming up to the end of the 5 year lease. Its been totally reliable (less than 40k miles due to Covid) with few dealer visits, thats very lucky because they are awful. They wouldn't service it until it was 2 years old and the car "tells them it needs a service!" By that time the oil was like thick black treacle which I'm sure is not good for the engine life. I speak with Front desk people who are glammed up like cabin crew but have no tech knowledge. I wont miss the £600/month lease cost, thinking of replacing with a late model FL2/early disco sport with the PSA engine which would cost about 1 year lease payments to buy.
Great video! Looking forward to the next one.
Please don’t stop doing these , views will be low to begin with , it could take up to 6 months with TH-cam algorithm to get more views! Maybe a shout out by salvage rebuilds could get it going quicker 😂 also would be really interested to see a video on the n47 engine timing problems
Thank you.
I think it is slightly harder at the moment due to having to dig for 10 month old videos but we will get there!
Great Video, all the best for the channel going forward!
QUESTION : Are the Petrol ingenium pretty solid or worth avoiding?
Got you from the Salvage Rebuilds Rob and Chris. I will keep to my Toyota/Lexus.
Nice vids, as long your earning a decent crust, what a load of absolute junk.
Brilliant video
Wondering of you can do a series of brilliant engines too.
Im not brave enough to run any jlr product
10ish years ago I was an engineer with a company that worked with JLR on the prototyping of these engines. Blocks, heads, cam carriers, sumps, engine covers, the lot. Production wise they was then produced at the engine plant in Wolverhampton which I work within spitting distance of now. JLR - I’ll keep my views to myself hahaha
Ciao, volevo sapere se i motori dal 2020 sono migliori. Perché ho cambiato il motore della mia Jaguar xe td del 2016 con un motore nuovo del 2020 in officina Jaguar. Il capo meccanico mi ha detto di cambiare l'olio ogni 10.000 km. se non voglio avere problemi. Ho visto tramite odb che mi fa la rigenerazione ogni 1000 km circa e consuma un filo d'olio ad ogni tagliando, quindi non dovrei avere problemi di inquinamento olio
The 2.2 was actually a ford engine. From transit and mondeo ST diesel. The X Type has the exact same engine. Later on PSA played with it removed chain to a belt and gave it more power. Still a very reliable engine if belt is maintained
Nice informative video mate, and ive just subscribed…. What you have done is red flagged the 2.0 “ingenious” engine to me, i was in the process of getting a 67 XF Rsport, and PX my Audi A7 3.0TDI, but informed the seller the deal is off, never seen such a sack of sh** in my life, HAHA….Jaguars premium brand in ruins….XF looks great and with all the toys but what a let down with their engine!!..you have saved me from hell cheers mate, looking forward to part 2 👍🏼
What a cracking vid 👍👍 could you tell me what tool you used to pull the injectors out? I have a blow on cylinder 2 😔
Hi mate, I really like your video and very helpful. I watch the discovery sport 2 L and I seen you taken the subframe did you have to support the engine from the top ?thanks
I had a FREELANDER 2, great car. Traded it in at 13 years old with over 150k on the clock. Rear cills had started to rust. Got a Discovery Sport and loved it, but sold it after 3 years as it was just way too complicated for home maintenance. Also the two year service intervals are a bit long IMHO and you won't get there anyway because of oil dilution requiring an earlier service. It's a real pity that JLR didn't keep a down to earth entry vehicle in the range.
Please do one comparing all engines of a particular class (I.e. utes) like 2.3 Renault vs ford bi turbo vs hilux 2.8 vs Isuzu 3.0. I would love that and will help people make super informed decisions
Very nice video. In depth detail. My question is do we need to take the engine out on an evoque for balance shaft change or it can be done with engine still in?
Best of luck with the channel Josh.
Quick question: have you had much experience with the Euro 6 PSA 1.5 hdi? Any preventative maintenance that you’d suggest? Thanks in advance
Good morning king can you tell me what part of dpf rattles is it the heat sheild many thanks
The Ingenium engines are all made at a factory in Wolverhampton, built specifically to make these engines. My 2017 XE has one such, and has been totally reliable so far, but I am aware of the timing chain issue, apparently fixed in 2019. One has to ask why it doesn't affect all engines ?
Are the D250 and D300 6 cylinder Ingenium diesel engines, as fitted to the Discovery 5 and new Defender any good, or are they also afflicted by timing chain issues?
How do these vacuum type engine mounts work?
I've got an older Honda Accord and the vacuum line runs from the front engine mount to the cylinder head. There is also a solenoid involved. When the engine is at low RPM does the vacuum pressure get higher reducing lower frequency vibrations?
Could you tell me if the2.0 jaguar 2018 igneium petrol is more reliable than the diesel,
Great video interested to see how you seal the timing cover I’ve done a couple off these chains followed the procedure to the book and they leak, stopped doing them for this reason.
Did you find out how to safely seal around the timing chain cover?
JLR just didnt decide to dump The Ford PSA engines. When TATA bought JKR part of the deal was access to the Ford PSA engines for about five years. Then JLR/ TATA would either have to produce their own engines or source engines elsewhere.
Unfortunately they decided to make their own and made a complete balls if it.
Nice video. At 7:47 I think you meant to say "filter" (LR126126). In terms of improvements, maybe get a light fixed to the camera to free up your hand to point at things (or use a laser pointer?). Emissions equipment on engines are a large source of unreliability, EGR, Adblue/PAF, DPF, NOx/EGT sensors. Manufacturers have to make engines that burn fuel but don't make smoke.....no smoke without fire....it's an impossible task hence the cheating scandal.
1:58
UK manufacturing plant is just north of Wolverhampton. There was going to be a sister plant in India to make engines for the global market but instead Tata & JLR decided that it would be cheaper to increase capacity at Wolverhampton, so no Ingenium engines were made in India.
Great video. What noise does the cat/dpf make when it breaks up
I agree about Peugeot citroens making great engines my Dad had 5 Peugeot company cars in a row and they were all really good and reliable i also had a 307 with with little problem's and everything was so cheap to repair.
The JLR engine plant is in Wolverhampton. I drive past it every morning. 😂
So if i wanted to buy a used JLR car, which is the least troublesome engine? I quite fancy a Vogue or F Pace.
What is it with Land Rover and unreliable engines?
I have a Disco 3, luckily with the 4.4 AJ V8 which is apparently bullet proof according to many people and mine has been utterly reliable, they were quite common here in South Africa. But the V6 TD's are the opposite, with crank failures as common as sand in the Sahara, great channel by the way, keep up the good work
Hello!
Sorry for asking,but maybe you could point me in a good direction!
I have a friend that owns a Disco 5 with 2.0 D ingenium engine,that appart the regular Discovery cars problems with water ingress,also has an unussual problem!once it gets to operating temps,the engine start making a sort of guturall sound like when you start the engine without an air filter and the car has no more power!The car is on a relative new engine,has only about 16k miles(its on the second engine) and for this issue it was at 4 different LR dealers in the past 14 months.
....oh,and of course the car no fault codes in ECM!😅
....and we did look at the boost pipes and there are no losses there.
Would be nice to have an oppinion from someone that knows about these engines!
yeah, like the 2.7 SDI !
JR Vehicle Services, if you could improve some parts on these engines, what would you do?
What would you make "more robust" i.e., replace with stronger steel, better aluminium alloy, replace plastic with metal or ceramic etc?
Do you have some ideas how would you go about it?
And we've currently be waiting 10 weeks for a turbo oil feed pipe for another one with mangled turbo at 42k
So the question I have for you is, do the D240 defender engines suffer the same reliability issues as I had one as a loner and it went really well. I would even consider buying one.
Hi! Do you guys have a way to send you money as a a thanks? This is all very useful information to me! To be frank, here in California, I just don’t trust the dealer. And there’s very few Jaguar shops around. Plus I like working on things.
So I’ve decided to take care of my whip, with all the pain that brings!
So, I have a question. If I have to change the engine brackets on an AWD XE, and I’m going to do the timing chain as well, do you recommend taking off the engine as well?
I broke the brackets while changing out the front driver side wheel hub (Jaguar manual says to leave the hub bolted on while removing the halfshaft, and I think I was pushing the differential up against the suspension and that broke the brackets.)
Thanks for any help!
Yeah. Early ones were a nightmare. But they fixed the oil dilution with a software fix and balance shafts by 2017 or so. Timing chains are a weak spot up to mid 2019 but many are just fine. So any ingenium post June 2019 is a damned good engine. But of course it’s Landrover so haters gonna hate no matter what. My 2019 is great.
I’m sure you will get more subs, those SR boys have got an EV arriving, so they will probably have you getting involved at some point 😂
My old Vitara had a Peugeot diesel I seem to remember, 35mpg and no computers.
My Peugeot 405 TD engine was bulletproof I did 100k from 67k to 170k
And only changed the cam belt. And oil changes.
Keep up the good work. You just need a long, thin screwdriver to point things out.
peugeot engines have gone to the dogs, had a 2018 expert van, less than 70k miles on it and its goosed. Started using about a litre of oil a week, no signs of leak and no blue smoke etc, it kept going into limp mode so my employer sent it off, they'd fill it up with oil and reset it, within a month it would go again. It got sent into the dealer and got told the engine is shot and would be cheaper to replace than fix.
5 years old, less than 70k and hadnt had a hard life yet needed a whole new engine !
Are u the magician that salvage rebuilds use? If so I’m subscribing
Same magician dude
I have had the timing chain done and have an oil leak from the back. Is there a way to seal without taking the gearbox out
Where does it normally leak from where the head gasket and the cover meet
Great video I am surprised and shocked by the amount of plastic parts that are part of this Jaguar Land Rover engine. The design of this engine suggests it is designed to run long enough before the 3 year warranty expires Then the owner is left with an expensive engine out repair
I like the look of the jag xe and would consider buying one if it wasnt for the ingenium engine ! But my mates a mechanic and he said avoid them like the plague, and after this video ! I woudnt buy one.
Good video, except you say the PSA Ford diesels were some of the best diesels made. That may be true with the 2.2, but the 2.7 and 3.0 Lion V6 is compromised by being too compact in length (to fit transverse into Citroen and Peugeot saloons). This meant the crank is so short it compromised its strength and integrity, hence many snapping. I have one myself which snapped (complete engine was replaced FOC by LR), but it has caused terrible reputation for Land Rover. It's a shame they didn't stick with BMW diesel engines as in the late 90's and early noughties Range Rovers.
Hi am being informed that the 200bhp diesel post 2021 in the D Sport is much better than, can anyone confirm? Thanks
Anyone have an idea how to time the engine after its had a new crankshaft.
When engines have now been built for 130 years and there have been some good one's, but they manage to build some real shit lately, mid 90s were probably the best , uncomplicated and long lasting
I had the Ingenium diesel engine in a 2016 LR Discovery Sport. Only car I’ve ever bought new. For the very start it used to dump 2 litres of diesel in the sump every 7-8000 miles through oil dilution. Sold it as the cost of oil changes was horrific and I was worried the engine would fail at any time. Terrible terrible engine that never bettered 30 mpg on a long run against a claim of over 50 mpg! Plus there were several other electrical faults with the car. Never buying a Land Rover product ever again.
Bought one from car supermarket with 15000 on the clock, it was terrible, I was trading up from a flat 1.9 diesel. I took my trade in back and ran it for another four years.
I had a 2017 180bhp disco sport. Mine was the same, drank adblue, diluted the oil like mad, struggled to do 32mpg, ate rear disks and tyres and put me off JLR for life.
Absolutely right. Same thing happened to me on discovery then swapped with jaguar xf same problem. Drinking oil. Making chain noise. Worst fuel consumption.
Glad I seen this, 👍🏼
@@arhumadaleofficial3257that was the XF after 2015 yes?
My F pace is a2016 2.0 d ingenium when would you recommend a timing chain replacement, I'm on 53000 miles??
Yes get it checked out. But to be honest I would really think about trading it in for something else I have seen people paying massive bills then trying to trade it in. Money pit
2.2.wasn't "nabbed", LR were part of Ford at the time , Ingenium came after Ford sold Jag and LR to TATA and they didn't have access to Ford engines anymore
Maybe, but the Peugeot's Puretech is a hard contender.
Rattle on start up and after servicing is often horrible
10,000km or 6 month servicing is a must
Bring back the ratchet type tensioner with alloy guides would be 1/2 way there
All in their quest to ‘save’ costs and extend service schedules.
I have this engine. Getting error code for piston cooling jet solenoid. Is this error common?
Yes, don't leave it as it can cause engine oil pressure issues if left.
Thank you. @@jrvehicleservices
Bloody chocolate engines as we call them!!
Why anyone would put up with this from a supposedly Premium Manufacturer is beyond me, To think the British Press were all over the Ingenuim at launch as something special 🤣
great video guys why would you have a car like that
you could do a lot to easily improve the audio in places (under the car audo is really good, the shop floor and introduction is not so good)
- there is a lot of apparent "echo" makeing it really hard work to listen to
My 2016 evoque with timing chain issue cost £2500 to fix by an independent
High mileage ones should be better because if you get it properly hot the diesel in the fuel should burn off and maintain decent oil quality. Low mileage ones the don’t get hot are problematic. I sold my Disco Sport with this engine out of pure fear, and after I saw an Evoque literally explode on the M1.
The timing chain is from a Raleigh push bike. Anyone who buys anything with this engine in needs their head examined.
Thank you.
If they put a decent timing chain on it there not a bad engine
Up-rated chains etc fitted from 2019. I have an earlier one and have had no problems. Only used for longer journeys, premium fuel, and stop start always turned off. I rate the engines highly as far as performance is concerned. 1800 rpm at 80 mph and 60 mpg cruising at 70 - 75.
HOLY HELL. I would not touch any of the JLR products (I have had 5 Land Rovers).
About to put an M57 into my Defender.
An engine designed by a committee and built by accountants.
Thank you for a very useful and informative video. I cannot believe that such a cluttered, plastic plumbing. sensory failing thing, could even be on the market. Why not send one to Scotty Kilmer for assessment. He will die laughing.
Why not buy petrol?
land rover have not had a decent engine since the 300tdi ,,, its that simple , trying to keep up with emission requirements has destroyed what reputation they had left ....
remember nothing rusts like a land rover.
its seems using that sealer around the engine is a bad job it comes off interal and could clog up oil ways
That's why we use wellseal which doesn't and the sealer that we do use is £58 per tube! As it doesn't break away providing it is used correctly!
Around the corner from my work is a Engine rebuilder.They buy cars from auction and rebuild or replace the engines and sell on the the cars. The most common cars for engine rebuild are BMW. All modern engines are suffering from the same issues. It is the oil, not the engines. The oil is formulated for efficiency and not for protection when cold. It is too thin when it is cold, very poor lubrication when it is cold, there is too much splash and it can make its way past rings, gaskets and seals. Best to replace the oil with the oil they specifically for audious running conditions which is usually 10w 30.
Thinner protects better when cold. 0w30 is thinner than 5w30, W = winter = cold weight.
Why do you think you know better than science?
What a nightmare. Overall, are these any better for the environment than, '70s, '80s and '90s engines if they fail like this.
Looks Like Spaghetti Junction😮, If I opened the Bonnet with all this Crap bolted on I would never purchase any vehicle so complicated and Expensive to Repair, So much Parts Removed for getting too the part ,No wondered Land Rover are So Unreliable and A Rich man's car 🥵 And 91k So much work on one car and at what cost 😢 You Definitely Know your Stuff 👍 After 40 year's in the Motor Trade, I now Drive a Hgv Lorry😊 Thank God 😂