The Black Russian is my favorite of all the Muff pedals. I’ve been fortunate enough to own a few of the original Muffs (Triangle , Green & Rams head ) and I always preferred the Black version. Christian Bland of The Black Angels described it best in his Premier Guitar Rig rundown “‘it’s thick and creamy like a milkshake “. - PureSalem Guitars
Hell yeah. That Christian Bland rig rundown was the reason I bought my green muff. I would have loved to get the old black one but I’m on a budget. I do think the black one sounds a little better.
Got a Black Russian as my first pedal in 2004. Lucked out and picked it out of a bunch of random distortion pedals because it just looked mean. Still my favorite to this day
@5T3LTH that's probably the same year I got mine. I was a big White Stripes fan at the time and the Sovtek was $40 cheaper than the US Big Muff lol. But I loved that thing. The footswitch went bad while I was in college (and broke) so I sold it to a pawn shop. Still regret that move.
It definitely sounds more modern. The cranked tone knob on the black sounds really fricking ear piercing and brittle (I have one and its like this for me too).
You guys always do the best demos. Besides great explanations of the gear. Just letting us hear stuff for ourselves using relevant music is a great way to learn.
I preferred the new green Russian a bit more. The midrange sounded like it was focused a bit higher than the Black Russian, and I prefer some mids to cut through like that. Awesome demo. Thank you!
Feels like the filter response is slightly more treble forward on the green reissue. The extremes of the filter settings though, sound almost exactly the same as each other. Great demo, thanks!
Great video! My first and still favorite Muff model. I'm currently using a Stomp Under Foot Black Russian and it Dooms. EHX did a great job with this more affordable reissue.
Enjoying these vids since I just found them! Love these pedals!!! I'm interested in Ehx new flatiron fuzz, you should do one on that pedal being it's inspired by the Rat pedal circuit design. Cheers!
Only Does It Doom is the credible source for tone samples of fuzzes played with the doomiest riffs. Currently have a clone of the green russian in my disposal with germanium and silicon clipping toggles and stoned and normal toggles which are for tightness so I went back to this video to compare if it is close to a genuine green russian and oh boy... It rips. Thanks Steve! Love from Manila, Philippines!
Have you tried the JHS fuzz that comes with 6 classic fuzz flavors...... Not sure if “comes” is the right word......english is not my first language. Sorry.
This will affect ANY fuzz as it puts the pedal after the amps tone stack, thus allowing you to really shape how it sounds with the amp AND the pedal’s own EQ pot(s). However be wary, this sometimes has unintended and sometimes pretty inspiring consequences depending on how the loop is set up on a particular amplifier. Oranges typically use low self-gain tubes such as the AY7 variants which lend more of an un-interfered signal rather than a gain heavy and colorizing AX7 for instance.
As with all original pedals and their reissues, the original Black Russian sounds a little darker, a little less gainy, rounder but more detailed, the Green reissue sounds more upfront, compressed and biting( in a good way) .I prefer the Black Russian but both do Doom indeed! \m/
I like the slightly more dull sound from the black muff, I wonder if it has something to do with the actual circuitry or just has to do with aging of the components
I’m gonna go with the V8’s dark, low fidelity. The new one is good too and it’s very clear…but the russian one sounds like a haunted house which is more up my alley. Both great. Thanks for the shootout.
I think they're both great. I've had almost every newer production model Big Muff, and they're mostly great (except for the Nano). I've sold them all again, but I'm ever Muff-curious. 😂 I compared the Green Russian reissue to a Wren and Cuff Tall Font Russian and a green Russian bubble font Muff. They were very similar, slight tweaks on the knobs made every pedal able to sound the same. The Wren And Cuff lacked some volume, which the GR reissue has in spades. I'd take a Green Russian reissue any day, because of the space it saves on a pedalboard. I can definitely live with such a compromise. That being said, I'm holding on to my black Russian V8. It's just amazing!
Excellent video, sir. Over the last 30 years my mileage has been that every big muff i've owned sounds different even if they technically identical circuits. There's variability in the components even out of the same batch with modern production much less 20-40 years ago. So pedals built over the many years will be different, reissue or not. I'd suggest buying several and you'll find a flavor that suits you. My personal opinion is that the big box ones tend to sound better and "feel" better when playing them which is something youtube videos don't translate well. I have found the big muffs react very different depending on what guitar i use and whether they have humbuckers or single coils. Some of my big muffs i enjoy more on my bass guitar. Bottom line: Big Muffs are awesome
@@DoesItDoom sorry it was more related to personal experience rather than related to this vid specifically but...yeah normal Muff cna get really fizzy and annoying with Fender
Dude I was about to comment the same thing! I always played my Black Russian through my Fender Twin and it sounded like a fucking freight train. Lots of punchy low end, hit you in the chest like a baseball bat. Set the volume on a Fender Twin to ~5 (as in painfully loud) and the muff’s sustain and tone down low and it kicks like a mule, or turn the muff’s sustain up high and it’ll go vroom like a Harley Davidson. Never got to sound like that on any other amp. So basically this is only possible at incredible volumes, but man it’s like nothing else.
The modern thing these days is to go brighter. Pedals, amps, caps for the tone pot, everything. I wonder how much having digital stuff has contributed to the situation, now that we get further from tape and vinyl, and even CD. I liked the dark one more though, in this case. Nice retro vibe.
Great idea for a video Steve however I’m not sure if it’ll translate well to podcast format. There are no audible cues when you are switching pedals. I hope you can get your hands on a rams head reissue to do a comparison.
Dig your videos man! It would be neat if, after doing a thoughtful A/B review, you just cranked all of the knobs all the way up and ran both pedals together, just for the Hell of it.
Funny thing is that the Black Russian has the same circuit as the last version of the Green Russian. They just changed colors to correct inconsistent greens in production. But of course the new green reissue is supposedly an early sovtek remake. I prefer the black muff, something special going on there.
Me too. I bought the green reissue to save space in the pedalboard, but I ended up rehousing the black Russian. On bass is dirtier and fatter, it dooms. The sound very similar tho, is definitely the same pedal
Personally I feel the green was better for this song. Gives it more of that djun djun kinda sound that the Druid has. But I can see why one would prefer the black for other songs
I basically used the Black Russian as a DJ FX pedal with my Danelectro Longhorn Bass and/ or Roland TR 606 Drum Machine… the tapers on it feel like a DJ mixer so it just makes sense… and they are obviously pretty “fast” moving pots… it’s the only Big Muff I ever had, and I’m not even a guitarist…. But for sure the stuff you can get out of an old 80s robotic drum machine made the thing sound like pure punk rock. I also used an overdrive pedal and an MXR flanger in my chain… years later I discovered it was the TR 606 that Julie Ruin/Kathleen Hannah/Bikini Kill used and duh. Of course. A distorted fuzzy 606 is the shit. What drew me initially to the 606 after having played bass for a year was, of course… kid606 who just happened to open for Mike Patton’s Fantomas in 1999. Epic show. LOTS OF FUZZ AND DISTORTION. much volume. SALUD.
Honestly I think that I’d have to go with the Black Russian as apposed to the Green Russian. Not only does it just have a fatter and almost fuller/duller fuzz tone, but with the tone knob dialed in to the perfect spot it just has a classic and fuzzy goodness to it. As for the Green Russian, it seems to have some more brightness to its tone. It seems like there’s possibly some more mids in the mix to the pedal. I’m sure that it would effectively help with cutting through in a standard band setting or mix. It’s kinda funny to me, I always expected the Black Russian to have this giant wall of sound fuzz tone while the Green Russian was more of a thick, warm and creamier fuzz. As for the two pedals in question, I’d love to hear them stacked together with some heavy drop C filth riffing. I think that the tone knob in the right spot on the Black Russian could really fatten up the sound while the Green Russian could double the thickness while also adding a nice layer of mids to the overall tone. That or just get a Black Russian and Triangle Muff and stack them together. I hear the Triangle is a pretty chaotic sounding variant of Muffs.
given that we perceive volume in a logorythmic way ourselves, isnt the quieter pot usually actually a linear, and the 'perceived' smooth even pot sweep the audio pot?
I have the green russian running thru an orange super crush 100 ,into a Marshall mg412a ...it does doom...i sometimes add a fuzz face knock off and it dooms aa well
Very close. It seems the Green tone knob has a lot more range. Not sure it's useful though. Most muffs tend to sound best at very specific tone settings.
Nice compare. Thought about to get as addition the reissue. I do have the black one......seem the black is the better choice for me. The Reissue is a bit thin.
I would use either, though I probably would stick some very mid heavy booster in front of them and and eq after because I feel they could sound a little grindier.
Damn I think I like them both steve I was about to get a 61 epiphone from Amazon the silverburst one gold sold out then on reverb I found a 2019 black sg g400 pro for 269 so I got it instead what are the difference between them ? I have two g400s one is a deluxe and one is a matte brown you get a five star always man this channel is great doomy goodness
Not really sure on the differences, but I'm sure it will be great. Epiphone's website has a lot of details if you're really interested in comparing them.
I have always preferred The green Russian Big Muff over the Black one. More mids i think. . But its interesting that they sound basically the same at the extreme ends of the tone knob when the gain and volume is cranked. But only then.
About exactly how I felt! More mids in the Green and they sound nearly identical in the situations you mention. Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that!
The black one sounds better. Too bad its discontinued. The green is more scooped, trebly and thin. Overall, the russian sounds thicker than the other current muffs.
Not a fan of either. The black had bottom end but muddy. And the green was harsh Velcro-ish sounding with no low end. I love a good low end fuzz with clear mid tones but not to harsh. Right now I'm checking out my new Demogorgon, I'm liking it so far. I like my Nano Big Muff I just got also. Getting the Pro co rat 2 next week. Then I think I'll be set for awhile. Thanks Steve.
Had a couple of big ol black muffs over the last 20 years and while they sound great playing by yourself, they get lost in a band setting unless you mod, are using other things that boost certain frequencies, or use a bright amp. So green for me unless I’m farting around by myself
@Nv Johansson I hadn't heard the term Big Muff "civil war" until I looked it up afterwards.. I thought he meant to say cold war.. anyways I was just kidding around..
Oh yeah the pots on the Black Russian are WILD and that’s why I loved basically DJing with it… you can slam mix with the thing and it’s a fucking guitar pedal lol.
Green Green russian sounds better but (I might be wrong) there was at one time in the dark ages called the 2000's, a mod too the black russian too replace the volume pot and some other things or a sketchy component. Very cool vid either way.
@@DoesItDoom Wish I could remember the exact mod and who did it, I know Keeley did one and so did Alchemy audio, but this one might have been someone whose no longer around, wish I could help more.
I own one of those black Russian muffs. I love the tone, but I think the newer reissue would be more usable to most players who are after that sound. After buying it new around 10 years ago (it's probably one of the last ones) I've used it a lot, but it has limitations. The audio taper pot makes it a very all or nothing pedal, there's also a lot of play in the pots and they're now crapping out on me, leading me to use my Metal Muff w/ Top Boost instead (that pedal dooms crazy hard, please do a review). It also lacks a 9 volt adapter and eats through batteries like no tomorrow.
My friend gave me his when he quit bass (yea, he used the black big muff on his five string bass....fucking intense haha) and I've used it so much over the years to get that heavy fuzz. loved covering Dead Meadow songs with it. Only thing is like you say, the pots are scratchy and it barely works now. Also, I literally just noticed today that the board has somehow completely disconnected and is kinda just floating around in there so it's gotta be taken somewhere to get fixed if I'm ever going to use it again.
@@djlaureate1 The whole board should be screwed into the top of the case and held by the pots. Hopefully it would just be a case of screwing it back in if the original screws are rolling around in the housing still. Good luck man!
The differences are so minimal, that you can get the same sound out of both. Great pedels, thx for the demo.
The Black Russian is my favorite of all the Muff pedals. I’ve been fortunate enough to own a few of the original Muffs (Triangle , Green & Rams head ) and I always preferred the Black version. Christian Bland of The Black Angels described it best in his Premier Guitar Rig rundown “‘it’s thick and creamy like a milkshake “. - PureSalem Guitars
Hell yeah. That Christian Bland rig rundown was the reason I bought my green muff. I would have loved to get the old black one but I’m on a budget. I do think the black one sounds a little better.
Got a Black Russian as my first pedal in 2004. Lucked out and picked it out of a bunch of random distortion pedals because it just looked mean. Still my favorite to this day
@5T3LTH that's probably the same year I got mine. I was a big White Stripes fan at the time and the Sovtek was $40 cheaper than the US Big Muff lol. But I loved that thing. The footswitch went bad while I was in college (and broke) so I sold it to a pawn shop. Still regret that move.
The Green Russian has the most mid-range of all the muffs. It will always sound fuller and it cuts through a mix better.
this dude went and wrote this on every green russian video LOL chill son
@@oldandeerieHe's on a mission. Gotta respect that.
@@oldandeerieSaw a guy do this with a comment about the Kingsmen on a bunch of sunn amp and sunn o videos too, are these bots
Great demo. I love the comparisons with the same riffs going back and forth.
It's a blessing to have your shootouts exist. I always wished that content like this was around. I prefer the black one!
Thanks, Otu. I appreciate it brother.
Little green muff sounds best to my ears. Much brighter and clearer. Been loving these shootouts man!
Josh WW Thanks man! Side by side tone comparisons are just fun for whatever reason.
@@DoesItDoom Trust me its fun to watch! Quick question for you man, can you suggest any range master type clones ? I trust your opinion very much.
Great Video Steve!
I preferred the green Russian muff over the other.
It was brighter and more full sounding to me across most of the settings!
Thanks, Troy. I hear what you're saying for sure.
I liked the black one more when the tone was turned _completely_ down, but overall I agree.
It definitely sounds more modern. The cranked tone knob on the black sounds really fricking ear piercing and brittle (I have one and its like this for me too).
You guys always do the best demos. Besides great explanations of the gear. Just letting us hear stuff for ourselves using relevant music is a great way to learn.
Thanks, Jason. Much appreciated and glad you dig the content. 🤘🏻
I preferred the new green Russian a bit more. The midrange sounded like it was focused a bit higher than the Black Russian, and I prefer some mids to cut through like that. Awesome demo. Thank you!
I'd have to agree. Thanks so much for watching!
I've always been more of an OP Amp Muff kinda guy, but I think in this comparison the black Muff takes the cake.
Feels like the filter response is slightly more treble forward on the green reissue. The extremes of the filter settings though, sound almost exactly the same as each other. Great demo, thanks!
The similarity at extreme filter settings was something that definitely jumped out at me while I was putting together the demo.
Great video! My first and still favorite Muff model. I'm currently using a Stomp Under Foot Black Russian and it Dooms. EHX did a great job with this more affordable reissue.
Thanks, Kenny. SUF is a muff guru! EHX did great with all of the RI's I've tried for sure.
Enjoying these vids since I just found them! Love these pedals!!! I'm interested in Ehx new flatiron fuzz, you should do one on that pedal being it's inspired by the Rat pedal circuit design. Cheers!
Only Does It Doom is the credible source for tone samples of fuzzes played with the doomiest riffs.
Currently have a clone of the green russian in my disposal with germanium and silicon clipping toggles and stoned and normal toggles which are for tightness so I went back to this video to compare if it is close to a genuine green russian and oh boy... It rips.
Thanks Steve! Love from Manila, Philippines!
Nice pedalboard. Purple tolex and dark wood look sweet together.
Sabbath style
Thanks. Designed and built it with a friend of mine!
Rob Tyler Blastøver the gods!
Which version do you prefer? Drop your thoughts opinions on the tone differences in the comments!
Great video Steve!!! Personally I liked both of them. The green one was definitely louder and brighter, but they both sounded really good.
Yeah, both definitely sound good. Thanks for watching buddy.
Black is deeper green is volume, BLACK FOR ALL USES !!
Both! In stereo! The Black with the lows, the Green with the mids.
Now we’re talking!!!
🤟😎🍻
I have the re-issue and I love it, but the overall tone of the black one was killer holy balls
Can't go wrong with either! Thanks for watching.
Is it bad that I actually prefer the Black Russian over the fan favorite Green Russian?
No.
Yes. Very bad. VERY VERY BAD. I'm calling the police.
The black russian seemed to sound better with the tone knob around
2-3 O,clock. As always, love your videos
Thanks man!
they both doom 🤘
Indeed!
Have you tried the JHS fuzz that comes with 6 classic fuzz flavors......
Not sure if “comes” is the right word......english is not my first language. Sorry.
That's the way native speakers would phrase that question. Good job!
The Muffelleta is an affordable, flexible pedal.
Black Russian pro tip: run it through the FX loop of an Orange amp. I dunno why it works but it does.
Nice.
I have an OR15 I’m gonna try this!
This will affect ANY fuzz as it puts the pedal after the amps tone stack, thus allowing you to really shape how it sounds with the amp AND the pedal’s own EQ pot(s). However be wary, this sometimes has unintended and sometimes pretty inspiring consequences depending on how the loop is set up on a particular amplifier. Oranges typically use low self-gain tubes such as the AY7 variants which lend more of an un-interfered signal rather than a gain heavy and colorizing AX7 for instance.
In conclusion, we all need both! Are you doing the rams head reissue? I’m keeeeeen to hear that
I’ll try to snag one as they begin to show up on the used market here in the next couple weeks.
As with all original pedals and their reissues, the original Black Russian sounds a little darker, a little less gainy, rounder but more detailed, the Green reissue sounds more upfront, compressed and biting( in a good way) .I prefer the Black Russian but both do Doom indeed! \m/
Vincenzo Erriquenz pretty typical differences as you mention! Thanks for checking it out.
@@DoesItDoom thank you for the video comparison, very useful!
I like the slightly more dull sound from the black muff, I wonder if it has something to do with the actual circuitry or just has to do with aging of the components
Noo ..........Tone Knob is the key!
I’m gonna go with the V8’s dark, low fidelity. The new one is good too and it’s very clear…but the russian one sounds like a haunted house which is more up my alley. Both great. Thanks for the shootout.
Great demo. I have ordered new Russian one today :)
Nice!
I think they're both great. I've had almost every newer production model Big Muff, and they're mostly great (except for the Nano). I've sold them all again, but I'm ever Muff-curious. 😂 I compared the Green Russian reissue to a Wren and Cuff Tall Font Russian and a green Russian bubble font Muff. They were very similar, slight tweaks on the knobs made every pedal able to sound the same. The Wren And Cuff lacked some volume, which the GR reissue has in spades. I'd take a Green Russian reissue any day, because of the space it saves on a pedalboard. I can definitely live with such a compromise.
That being said, I'm holding on to my black Russian V8. It's just amazing!
Thanks for the info!
The black ones sound really good with my bright Marshall. It is warm and deep and takes some of that ice-picky edge off. YMMV.
Got a black Russian big muff a few months ago for 75$ it has since been my favorite pedal. But they both sound pretty doom to ears!
Score!
They sounded more similar when the tone knob was all the way to the right.
Excellent video, sir. Over the last 30 years my mileage has been that every big muff i've owned sounds different even if they technically identical circuits. There's variability in the components even out of the same batch with modern production much less 20-40 years ago. So pedals built over the many years will be different, reissue or not. I'd suggest buying several and you'll find a flavor that suits you. My personal opinion is that the big box ones tend to sound better and "feel" better when playing them which is something youtube videos don't translate well. I have found the big muffs react very different depending on what guitar i use and whether they have humbuckers or single coils. Some of my big muffs i enjoy more on my bass guitar. Bottom line: Big Muffs are awesome
Very true!!
The green Russian reissue is a lot better than the black box Russian. Clearer and more versatile and can do other sounds beside doom.
I have the black russian and I'm not satisfied with the sound...
I found Russian Muff working better with Fender amp compared to New York variant, it has more low mids so naturally it sounds fuller, punchier, etc
Awesome!
@@DoesItDoom sorry it was more related to personal experience rather than related to this vid specifically but...yeah normal Muff cna get really fizzy and annoying with Fender
Dude I was about to comment the same thing! I always played my Black Russian through my Fender Twin and it sounded like a fucking freight train. Lots of punchy low end, hit you in the chest like a baseball bat.
Set the volume on a Fender Twin to ~5 (as in painfully loud) and the muff’s sustain and tone down low and it kicks like a mule, or turn the muff’s sustain up high and it’ll go vroom like a Harley Davidson. Never got to sound like that on any other amp. So basically this is only possible at incredible volumes, but man it’s like nothing else.
The modern thing these days is to go brighter. Pedals, amps, caps for the tone pot, everything. I wonder how much having digital stuff has contributed to the situation, now that we get further from tape and vinyl, and even CD.
I liked the dark one more though, in this case. Nice retro vibe.
All very true.
I have the green and I love it, but damn....that black Russian is a must for me now! Holy balls that's awesome!
Both are great for sure! EHX did a killer job on the RI imo.
Yeah the Green is kinda fizzy but I like the tightness.... Green⚔️🔥
does the reissue sound like it has more mids or is it me ?
Great idea for a video Steve however I’m not sure if it’ll translate well to podcast format. There are no audible cues when you are switching pedals. I hope you can get your hands on a rams head reissue to do a comparison.
Jim Masino Thanks for the feedback Jim. I’m still working through the format. Will definitely grab a rams head residue here at some point.
Dig your videos man! It would be neat if, after doing a thoughtful A/B review, you just cranked all of the knobs all the way up and ran both pedals together, just for the Hell of it.
I appreciate it man. I always forget to do that but I will try to remember next time.
I like both but the green wins for me. Awesome, just subbed.
Thanks for the sub man! Hard to beat that green Russian!
Seeing this late. What's your pedalboard? Is it custom? I'm diggin the purple tolex!
Yeah man, that’s our Doomboard. Check ‘em out here: doesitdoom.com/product/doomboard
How did u get the Jam looper to stay in time?
Not sure what you mean.
Id say I miss the big button. Used to break them all the time but God it was satisfying pushing that big button
I use the big muff delux civil war. Beautiful tones. Great channel.🎸
Excellent Muffness 🏴☠️
Black for Doom-ness and Green for versatility. Looking for the latter🙂
The green re-issue is a bad ass pedal.... very versatile
Yea the green reissue russian is an absolute KILLER for under 100$
They did a great job on it for sure.
You will ever make a video on how to build a pedal board for bass ?
It’s not my area of expertise. But I won’t say never.
I love the silky smooth scooped wall of doom that the V8 is capable of.
GR RI has more mids and less gain. Great with Boosters
These black ones were $50 new as I recall. I still have 2.
Funny thing is that the Black Russian has the same circuit as the last version of the Green Russian. They just changed colors to correct inconsistent greens in production. But of course the new green reissue is supposedly an early sovtek remake. I prefer the black muff, something special going on there.
Me too. I bought the green reissue to save space in the pedalboard, but I ended up rehousing the black Russian. On bass is dirtier and fatter, it dooms. The sound very similar tho, is definitely the same pedal
Personally I feel the green was better for this song. Gives it more of that djun djun kinda sound that the Druid has. But I can see why one would prefer the black for other songs
I hear that. They are definitely a bit different in terms of tone.
Hey man, have you tried any of the JHS modded Muffs? I have this one (Russian RI) and I really dig it, especially with P-90's
Have not.
@@DoesItDoom If you can score one for cheap they are incredible
Thanks👍
The Green Russian Reissue sounds slightly compressed & less clarity when tone turned down. Both sound great anyway.
I basically used the Black Russian as a DJ FX pedal with my Danelectro Longhorn Bass and/ or Roland TR 606 Drum Machine… the tapers on it feel like a DJ mixer so it just makes sense… and they are obviously pretty “fast” moving pots… it’s the only Big Muff I ever had, and I’m not even a guitarist…. But for sure the stuff you can get out of an old 80s robotic drum machine made the thing sound like pure punk rock. I also used an overdrive pedal and an MXR flanger in my chain… years later I discovered it was the TR 606 that Julie Ruin/Kathleen Hannah/Bikini Kill used and duh. Of course. A distorted fuzzy 606 is the shit. What drew me initially to the 606 after having played bass for a year was, of course… kid606 who just happened to open for Mike Patton’s Fantomas in 1999. Epic show. LOTS OF FUZZ AND DISTORTION. much volume. SALUD.
Honestly I think that I’d have to go with the Black Russian as apposed to the Green Russian. Not only does it just have a fatter and almost fuller/duller fuzz tone, but with the tone knob dialed in to the perfect spot it just has a classic and fuzzy goodness to it.
As for the Green Russian, it seems to have some more brightness to its tone. It seems like there’s possibly some more mids in the mix to the pedal. I’m sure that it would effectively help with cutting through in a standard band setting or mix.
It’s kinda funny to me, I always expected the Black Russian to have this giant wall of sound fuzz tone while the Green Russian was more of a thick, warm and creamier fuzz. As for the two pedals in question, I’d love to hear them stacked together with some heavy drop C filth riffing. I think that the tone knob in the right spot on the Black Russian could really fatten up the sound while the Green Russian could double the thickness while also adding a nice layer of mids to the overall tone.
That or just get a Black Russian and Triangle Muff and stack them together. I hear the Triangle is a pretty chaotic sounding variant of Muffs.
How can i tell V7 or V8 i have one but don’t know which it is
Doom it does! Or they both do, but prefer the green.
given that we perceive volume in a logorythmic way ourselves, isnt the quieter pot usually actually a linear, and the 'perceived' smooth even pot sweep the audio pot?
There is a really good image in this thread regarding the differences. www.mylespaul.com/threads/linear-or-audio-taper-pots.287638/
black russian sounds great. I wonder which one works better with bass
I have the green russian running thru an orange super crush 100 ,into a Marshall mg412a ...it does doom...i sometimes add a fuzz face knock off and it dooms aa well
You really cant go wrong when picking out a Big Muff, I have yet to hear a bad one.
Pretty true!
Very close. It seems the Green tone knob has a lot more range. Not sure it's useful though. Most muffs tend to sound best at very specific tone settings.
Cool pedalboard. DIY or branded?
Thanks for the video!!!
Thanks! It’s actually Does It Doom? Brand. This was prototype #1 as we continue to tune on the design.
Does It Doom? Nice.......are there pics of it from different angles somewhere on the internet?
Nicolas Bassano not yet but soon!
Nice compare. Thought about to get as addition the reissue. I do have the black one......seem the black is the better choice for me. The Reissue is a bit thin.
Glad you liked the comparison. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
The bugger one sounds bigger
😂👍🏻
I would use either, though I probably would stick some very mid heavy booster in front of them and and eq after because I feel they could sound a little grindier.
I dig that.
Damn I think I like them both steve I was about to get a 61 epiphone from Amazon the silverburst one gold sold out then on reverb I found a 2019 black sg g400 pro for 269 so I got it instead what are the difference between them ? I have two g400s one is a deluxe and one is a matte brown you get a five star always man this channel is great doomy goodness
Not really sure on the differences, but I'm sure it will be great. Epiphone's website has a lot of details if you're really interested in comparing them.
@@DoesItDoom thanks man do you know if it gets a diff route if the sh has a full pick gaurd?
Cj W not sure. Sorry man.
@@DoesItDoom it's cool thanks man
Green one sounds good!
For sure!
Anyone think the Ram's Head Big Muff will doom or is the green Russian reissue a better choice?
Will be interesting to see. I’ll try to grab one as the begin to show up on the used market in the next few weeks and do a comparison.
I have always preferred The green Russian Big Muff over the Black one. More mids i think. . But its interesting that they sound basically the same at the extreme ends of the tone knob when the gain and volume is cranked. But only then.
About exactly how I felt! More mids in the Green and they sound nearly identical in the situations you mention. Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that!
The black one sounds better. Too bad its discontinued. The green is more scooped, trebly and thin. Overall, the russian sounds thicker than the other current muffs.
Jave you heard of zephyr fx? I recently ordered their sunbro and am waiting for it to come from mother russia. The circuits look beautiful
Did you get it? What do you think of it?
Not a fan of either. The black had bottom end but muddy. And the green was harsh Velcro-ish sounding with no low end. I love a good low end fuzz with clear mid tones but not to harsh. Right now I'm checking out my new Demogorgon, I'm liking it so far. I like my Nano Big Muff I just got also. Getting the Pro co rat 2 next week. Then I think I'll be set for awhile. Thanks Steve.
The Demogorgon is a great take on the old Russian Muff circuit. I dig that one for sure. The Rat is my favorite of the classic dirt pedals!
@@DoesItDoom Thanks Steve. I only had it a few days. I long the tones I'm hearing and dialing in so far. Thanks Bro
woah did you make that pedalboard?
We build them! You can check them out here www.doesitdoom.com/shop
The reissue green Russian for sure, for me!
They did a great job with it!
I have an (I think) V7 Black Russian.
I will not be selling it. It's the best sounding Muff I've tried.
Nice!
Black muff. I use one on my bass rig it really holds a good low end
Bet it sounds killer!
@@DoesItDoom especially running through a swollen pickle
Killer video steve! I personally prefer the Green Russian reissue but the Black Russian sounded pretty good too!
Thanks, Casey. Both are great for sure.
@@DoesItDoom Certainly, I think the voicing of the Black Russian would sound better than the reissue on bass.
Had a couple of big ol black muffs over the last 20 years and while they sound great playing by yourself, they get lost in a band setting unless you mod, are using other things that boost certain frequencies, or use a bright amp. So green for me unless I’m farting around by myself
Makes sense for sure.
Green Reissue 🤘🏼
They did a great job on it for sure!
1:00 late civil war style big muffs? Didn't know their circuits go back that far haha
@Nv Johansson I hadn't heard the term Big Muff "civil war" until I looked it up afterwards.. I thought he meant to say cold war.. anyways I was just kidding around..
My local guitar luthier said he could install a power jack into one of I got my hands on an original. Around $200 average rn on reverb.
Oh yeah the pots on the Black Russian are WILD and that’s why I loved basically DJing with it… you can slam mix with the thing and it’s a fucking guitar pedal lol.
Just scored a Black Russian big muff and a Black Russian small stone
Killer!!
Maybe I prefer the black version...🤔 But I don't know... both have a great sound!!!😅🤘🏻
Both sound great for sure. Not really sure which I prefer.
I prefer the sound of the black one but the green one does seem more versatile.
Very close tho, I prefer the tone of black one a bit more. Seemed a bit fuller sounding and more of a HAIRY muff.
It's so muffing big
Green Green russian sounds better but (I might be wrong) there was at one time in the dark ages called the 2000's, a mod too the black russian too replace the volume pot and some other things or a sketchy component. Very cool vid either way.
Thanks man. Solid suggestion on the mod options.
@@DoesItDoom Wish I could remember the exact mod and who did it, I know Keeley did one and so did Alchemy audio, but this one might have been someone whose no longer around, wish I could help more.
For the Price, the green muff is a no brainer. I should get one.
As a bass player, black Russian sounds what fatter when I've used it. Still one of my fav pedals
I must have watched 100 fuzz videos and no one ever turns the volume and sustain down together and the amp up so we can hear that aspect??????
Mmmmmmm I love a big muff.
I play the russian deluxe bigmuff that came out not to long ago its siiiiiiiiick.
How much are you selling the purple tolex pedalboards for?
They are $225 + shipping.
@@DoesItDoom Awesome man thanks!
Another batch in production right now.
I own one of those black Russian muffs. I love the tone, but I think the newer reissue would be more usable to most players who are after that sound. After buying it new around 10 years ago (it's probably one of the last ones) I've used it a lot, but it has limitations.
The audio taper pot makes it a very all or nothing pedal, there's also a lot of play in the pots and they're now crapping out on me, leading me to use my Metal Muff w/ Top Boost instead (that pedal dooms crazy hard, please do a review). It also lacks a 9 volt adapter and eats through batteries like no tomorrow.
My friend gave me his when he quit bass (yea, he used the black big muff on his five string bass....fucking intense haha) and I've used it so much over the years to get that heavy fuzz. loved covering Dead Meadow songs with it. Only thing is like you say, the pots are scratchy and it barely works now. Also, I literally just noticed today that the board has somehow completely disconnected and is kinda just floating around in there so it's gotta be taken somewhere to get fixed if I'm ever going to use it again.
@@djlaureate1 The whole board should be screwed into the top of the case and held by the pots. Hopefully it would just be a case of screwing it back in if the original screws are rolling around in the housing still. Good luck man!