I used to use Prometheus and the Sussex Sabo in my old Airsporter Prometheus was meant to be high velocity and cause larger wound channels as it tumbled . It also made great sparks if it hit concrete say if you missed the target
Loved the wasp pellet as a kid I guess those diabolo are a modern equivalent. The Bisley was the regulation pellets for many of the competition shoots. Those hollow slugs were the typical fairground pellets. Oh the good old days when a range was common place at a fair.
it sure did. smart bird. the blue Jays where im at start squawk and get loud as hell and fly around from tree to tree but don't stay in one spot for more than a second or so
Back in the day I remember using those Prometheus in my Theoben. 22 Eliminator 30ft lb break barrel. Bad ass as the crack suggested that they were breaking the sound barrier even with standard theoben moderator. Theoben did not recommend these because of plastic residue left in the barrel.
Those zombie trackers are useless. The glowing tip is at the front so it flies away from you when you shoot it and you never see it. Pull out the glow tips and glue them in the back of the skirt of a diablo pellet. They're easier to charge with a uv torch when they're loaded and you can actually see them👍
Well I've thougherly enjoyed your video even though it was made quite a while ago now. Reading some of the comments just proves there are some stupid people about. I fully understood your using different rifles for the different types of pellets used etc. At least I understood it wasn't a comparison, but a demonstration of these pellets. I certainly wouldn't want to ruin a nice rifle either. I actually learned quite a lot as I didn't know about lead balls for a start. I actually used another brand I can't remember now but they were like the Prometheus, a Zink plastic skirted pellet. I used to have to use a brass brush pull through to clean the barrel after a good few went through to clean out the plastic but by God they were very accurate and powerful, they would easily penetrate the door of a steel clothes locker at 30 yds and put a huge dent in the back plate as well. That was using a PCP Daystate MK ll Huntsman. Happy days. I've watched quite a few of your videos now and have really enjoyed them all. 😉👍
You did a good job but you should have shown the back side completely and slower on the camera to see the full effect of the damage done by each pellet.
920 FPS is about the speed at which the transonic pressure wave begins, this presure wave is problematic for diablo type pellets because of the aerodynamic character of diablos and should be considered maximum accurate speed for diablos. Slugs don't have this problem and are usually heavier than diablos, so much better at delivering energy at distance accurately (all other aspects being equal).
People just think these pointy pellets with little red or orange tip pellets look nicer so they must be better but they couldn't be more wrong. The flat top pellets are significantly more accurate by a huge margin
I've been experimenting with some of the new slugs that people are casting at home and selling on Ebay. I got some for my armada .25 that are elongated hollow points with a steel core. They literally shred apart on impact with hard surfaces. Very nasty when you think about hitting something live with it.
Are prometheus still available. Had some when they first came out. Appalling accuracy but penetration was insane. They would actually go threw a car door skin and threw a tempered windscreen.
A quick question if you don't mind? Drozd Blackbird (Russian made bb machine gun) From what I understand it is available in both smoothbore and rifled barrel...but both barrels are designed to shoot steel bb's only. This is contrary to the wisdom of that the steel shot should not be used in rifled barrels. What is your opinion on that?
THx the the info - I've been trying to get my hand on some RWS Hyer Max (.221) everyone is out ot stock and I tried some plastic jacketed ammp that I was very disappointed in -
I dont see why the "pop rock" noise makers you throw on the ground couldnt be used in tandem with guns own pressure to super charge the shot... Any thoughts other than the increase of emergency room visits?
Louis Peters Because if my understanding of them is correct, they need to be crushed to go off. I fill the skirt with wax, same effect as dieseling (a little less actually) and way less messy, did a few with a drop of lubricant under a wax cap and those worked well too, just not accurate
Nice video, good info, thanks for it. how far were you shooting the target board? 2 meters? the sound changed and i could't quite make out what yuo said
Honestly, with weaker airguns (In Canada so 500fps>) I've found that they do actually improve penetration a slight bit. I think its more because of the stronger head but with hard targets, I find they do bury themselves a couple mm deeper than traditional lead and will go through things that traditional ones almost make it through. Just my finding though.
For hollow points or any hunting pellet if using sub 12 ftlb you wont be getting much expansion, for that to happen youll need an FAC and around 40 ftlb so focus more of the most accurate pellets for sub 12 ftlb. The wand chooses the wizard so biy sone sample packs, see what your barrel likes and dislikes and make sure you always keep the same point of aim
Here in Canada 🇨🇦 we only have.177 and.22 in lead and under 500 fps,you can go fancy but there’s no point 😂..Crosman 1377 you load flat top pellet,load in skewer with tip of your choice and voila…Handheld crossbow and prison sentence..Just an idea,don’t put it into practice 😂,it might backfire…
Super video and missiles but not enough information. Please do it again with the same missiles, but more professionally. With meat or clay, or ballistic gel, it costs almost nothing.
It all depends...Do you want cheap? Expensive, Branded, Spring break barrel action, CO2 bolt action,PCP bolt action.. Cheap The smk B2 there Is dirt cheap okay entry level, there the co2 bolt action qb78 too Want something good, mid range BSA lightning High end Tx200, Air arms s400, HW77
Gamo pellets are complete crap nowadays.Tried like 10 models all sucked when shot from Gamo air rifle. Older Gamo Match were pretty accurate but now are shit.
I have shot jsb exact 15.89grain .22, 5.51waisted diabolo for ten years through my Weihrauch 100 T. They have been reliable and accurate for all those years. Until recently when I started getting a high percentage of flyers. I had the rifle serviced at Hull Cartridge where the gun came from. I then had the gun serviced by an independent gun smith to see if the problem was in the rifle. The gun was passed safe and accurate to use. So then I looked at the jsb,s. And what I found was the pellets when weighed ranged into three distinct weight ranges. Heavy 16.5g medium 15.86g and light 15.00g all from the same tin using calibrated scales.Also jsb has changed the design of the skirt depth from an average of 2.367mm original to 3.471mm latest. An average difference of 1.107mm. In a deeper skirt length. With a pellet height of a constant 7.56 that makes a percentage difference of 6.829. That can have a major ballistic effect on a pellet of 7.56mm. The batch number on the tin is 40560018.
almost posted about having black tip real ammo then saw the DARTS. Holy shit im finding a gun and those darts here in Murica Asap Gonna have the best dart board ever in the barn time to whip out the visa!
The copper ball tipped ones you can buy them in lead with a metal bb ontop, I use to use them, can’t remember who made them but you can see till find them, I use .22 diablo Hades (awesome pellet, great quality) now and Premiere Domed (super cheap and not well made but they work well with my gun)
steel pellets WILL NOT damage barrel rifling....the steel projectiles are purposely made from a softer steel than the steel gun barrels are made from...especially those gamo raptors...they are light as hell and made out of brass...theres no chance of of the non lead pellets damaging your rifling....unless the gun your using is absolutely ancient and made of super soft metal
@@FroznFox Yeah, 3 dry firings are unlikely to actually damage a spring. Don't do it though as it's not the spring that you need to worry about. The piston is what gets trashed by firing without a pellet, not the spring.
I have 2 German rifles a Walther terrus an a Diana 34 both .22 for some reason they like the crossman hollow points better than the most expensive ones.....
Thank you for the great information. it always amazes me that alot of people think air weapons aren't that dangerous. nice collection of rifles! thanks again!
i have the gammo red tip and find they don't work very well in my gun, the tip separates from the lead skirt during flight making it essentially an off balanced hollow point that usually hits target sideways instead of tip first
I used the feather ones but didn't know my barrel aren't smooth I hope I didn't do damage as they shot terribly. My feather rounds looks like cast aluminium so they should be softer that the steel.
Civil Individual Defense (Home/Office) SNR357 Snub Crosman modified .177 ... Rubber tape on handle for grip and eye screw for flat head screw replacement sight by hammer
You just can't beat JSB's ... forget the fancy stuff ... and forget anything ( well , almost anything ) H&N ... dont think ive ever put a good group of ANY calibre through any of my rifles ... but thats not what this vids about ... and YES , ive had a crap day at work ... good informative video though .. would bee interesting too see how much power each " projectile " attains , specially the " fancy ass " ones ..
I used to use Prometheus and the Sussex Sabo in my old Airsporter Prometheus was meant to be high velocity and cause larger wound channels as it tumbled . It also made great sparks if it hit concrete say if you missed the target
Loved the wasp pellet as a kid I guess those diabolo are a modern equivalent. The Bisley was the regulation pellets for many of the competition shoots. Those hollow slugs were the typical fairground pellets. Oh the good old days when a range was common place at a fair.
22:04 notice how that bird shut up when he raised that airgun lmao.
it sure did. smart bird. the blue Jays where im at start squawk and get loud as hell and fly around from tree to tree but don't stay in one spot for more than a second or so
Love the camera in back of target. And again the lead balls shot straight and true. Love Lead balls.
Back in the day I remember using those Prometheus in my Theoben. 22 Eliminator 30ft lb break barrel. Bad ass as the crack suggested that they were breaking the sound barrier even with standard theoben moderator. Theoben did not recommend these because of plastic residue left in the barrel.
Derek Todd
.....and???
Should have showed image of pellets as you loaded. But great video!
Those zombie trackers are useless. The glowing tip is at the front so it flies away from you when you shoot it and you never see it. Pull out the glow tips and glue them in the back of the skirt of a diablo pellet. They're easier to charge with a uv torch when they're loaded and you can actually see them👍
The late John Darling used flat head pellets for hunting 👍
Also a go to for hitmen, .22lr wadcutter ;)
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That's a follow from me...just had a pre-owned hw80k ....so brushing up in any knowledge I can teach my 8 year old
Hint, use a wind reducing fluffy thing on you camera 😅
it's called a wind cock
@@jaighter I thought it was called a dead cat? either way, what is with names for camera stuff?!
@@The_Entity IKR ?!?! 🤣
@@jaighter is it now cock ?
Well I've thougherly enjoyed your video even though it was made quite a while ago now. Reading some of the comments just proves there are some stupid people about. I fully understood your using different rifles for the different types of pellets used etc. At least I understood it wasn't a comparison, but a demonstration of these pellets. I certainly wouldn't want to ruin a nice rifle either. I actually learned quite a lot as I didn't know about lead balls for a start. I actually used another brand I can't remember now but they were like the Prometheus, a Zink plastic skirted pellet. I used to have to use a brass brush pull through to clean the barrel after a good few went through to clean out the plastic but by God they were very accurate and powerful, they would easily penetrate the door of a steel clothes locker at 30 yds and put a huge dent in the back plate as well. That was using a PCP Daystate MK ll Huntsman. Happy days. I've watched quite a few of your videos now and have really enjoyed them all. 😉👍
Sussex Arms Sabots, I recall those, bloody awful, little pen thing to load them in with
Food for thought, I shall try and remember what you have shared with us. Many thanks
You did a good job but you should have shown the back side completely and slower on the camera to see the full effect of the damage done by each pellet.
920 FPS is about the speed at which the transonic pressure wave begins, this presure wave is problematic for diablo type pellets because of the aerodynamic character of diablos and should be considered maximum accurate speed for diablos. Slugs don't have this problem and are usually heavier than diablos, so much better at delivering energy at distance accurately (all other aspects being equal).
Interesting and valuable information, thanks
Maybe try the performance on a large block of soap. Should be interesting to see.
People just think these pointy pellets with little red or orange tip pellets look nicer so they must be better but they couldn't be more wrong. The flat top pellets are significantly more accurate by a huge margin
Outstanding, thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Airarms Suoerdome were always my go to
So the lead balls can be used in rifled barrels?
Yes the ball will engage the rifling but you want the ball to be smooth
My mate said your the go to guy ..cheers ladd ..Canada..
I've been experimenting with some of the new slugs that people are casting at home and selling on Ebay. I got some for my armada .25 that are elongated hollow points with a steel core. They literally shred apart on impact with hard surfaces. Very nasty when you think about hitting something live with it.
Are prometheus still available. Had some when they first came out. Appalling accuracy but penetration was insane. They would actually go threw a car door skin and threw a tempered windscreen.
I was in to airguns, before I started creating pipe shotguns. More power can penetrate more effectively.
A quick question if you don't mind?
Drozd Blackbird (Russian made bb machine gun)
From what I understand it is available in both smoothbore and rifled barrel...but both barrels are designed to shoot steel bb's only.
This is contrary to the wisdom of that the steel shot should not be used in rifled barrels.
What is your opinion on that?
THx the the info - I've been trying to get my hand on some RWS Hyer Max (.221) everyone is out ot stock and I tried some plastic jacketed ammp that I was very disappointed in -
Use to see the slugs years ago at funfare when they had rifle shooting
Nice collection!
You can get the armor piercing pellets in .22 (at least in the US)
Fill the cavity at the rear with powdered match head and seal with a blob of araldite. Explode on impact. Great fun.🔫
What's araldite?
@@ferengiprofiteer9145 epoxy resin. Sets hard.😆😆
I dont see why the "pop rock" noise makers you throw on the ground couldnt be used in tandem with guns own pressure to super charge the shot...
Any thoughts other than the increase of emergency room visits?
Louis Peters Because if my understanding of them is correct, they need to be crushed to go off.
I fill the skirt with wax, same effect as dieseling (a little less actually) and way less messy, did a few with a drop of lubricant under a wax cap and those worked well too, just not accurate
i don't do shooting of any kind, (though i would if i was able) but still found this really interesting.
Nice video, good info, thanks for it. how far were you shooting the target board? 2 meters? the sound changed and i could't quite make out what yuo said
Armor penetration pellets 😂
That's nothing but a marketing scheme.
Honestly, with weaker airguns (In Canada so 500fps>) I've found that they do actually improve penetration a slight bit. I think its more because of the stronger head but with hard targets, I find they do bury themselves a couple mm deeper than traditional lead and will go through things that traditional ones almost make it through. Just my finding though.
You must be using them wrong. I destroyed many, many enemy targets using those type of pellets. Most were 3-6" long, made of plastic & badly painted!
Can you do a best grouping from your most accurate rifle and pellet please.
For hollow points or any hunting pellet if using sub 12 ftlb you wont be getting much expansion, for that to happen youll need an FAC and around 40 ftlb so focus more of the most accurate pellets for sub 12 ftlb.
The wand chooses the wizard so biy sone sample packs, see what your barrel likes and dislikes and make sure you always keep the same point of aim
Here in Canada 🇨🇦 we only have.177 and.22 in lead and under 500 fps,you can go fancy but there’s no point 😂..Crosman 1377 you load flat top pellet,load in skewer with tip of your choice and voila…Handheld crossbow and prison sentence..Just an idea,don’t put it into practice 😂,it might backfire…
I like Gamo Pro Magnum -pellets. They're a mix between a domed and tipped pellet. Accurate and high penetration Use them in my Gamo Quiet Cat 4.5mm.
I used them in a c02 pistol and got surprisingly devastating results. Same with the diabolo, the Terminator, Devastator, and the Gamo Masterpoint.
so what's the difference between air gun and bb gun? You're still shooting a projectile
Those automatic safeties are a PITA, aren't they?
Good brevity makes sense
Great vid.
Where can I find these suxxex pellets? Can't find them on ebay
I have a Dianna smooth boar pistol what ammo would you recommend it has a brass barrel
I'd have thought that using 2 different guns would make the results pretty much useless. Unless they both had the same muzzle velocity and power.
You must use ballistic gell
Good video thank you👌🏿
Thanks
Nice👍
How many fps do your guns shoot? Without a firearms certificate, they have to be under 500 fps here. They are mostly 495 fps.
my brother has a 1500 pfs we live in ohio and ive seen higher he dont need any licence s
Super video and missiles but not enough information. Please do it again with the same missiles, but more professionally. With meat or clay, or ballistic gel, it costs almost nothing.
I’m ángel I just want to know which rifle is bes
interested in buying one
It all depends...Do you want cheap? Expensive, Branded, Spring break barrel action, CO2 bolt action,PCP bolt action..
Cheap The smk B2 there Is dirt cheap okay entry level, there the co2 bolt action qb78 too
Want something good, mid range BSA lightning
High end Tx200, Air arms s400, HW77
Why is the 0.22 pellet shot not accurate every time. You can never hit the same target twice.
Very nice bro
what is the fps for them rifles?
It depends alot on pellet weii
I have a German air rifle.what can I use for this type?
german ones?
Eley Wasps
cool beans
Hey mike here great video.🍺🍺🇨🇦👍
Update...
Why all Springers ???
Its chewsday 'init
Standing in front of that sign, makes you look like you have a realy odd hair style.
Check out grizzly extra weight tipped pellets crazy penetration in clay
I didn't know there were smoothbore air rifles & pistols.
Maybe the hair behind the projectile doesn't need twist.
OK.,LIKE,SHOW,VLW.
وایییییی. واییی وای وای میگین ایرانیها بدهستند ولی شما با اسلحه حرف میزنید
Gamo pellets are complete crap nowadays.Tried like 10 models all sucked when shot from Gamo air rifle. Older Gamo Match were pretty accurate but now are shit.
Not much science behind the vid' - just some random shots with different guns!!
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Awful music🙉
pz make holl donkey cow dogs ears injoy
Over 85% of these pellets are a waste of time .They allways attract a fool and his money .
I have shot jsb exact 15.89grain .22, 5.51waisted diabolo for ten years through my Weihrauch 100 T. They have been reliable and accurate for all those years. Until recently when I started getting a high percentage of flyers. I had the rifle serviced at Hull Cartridge where the gun came from. I then had the gun serviced by an independent gun smith to see if the problem was in the rifle. The gun was passed safe and accurate to use. So then I looked at the jsb,s. And what I found was the pellets when weighed ranged into three distinct weight ranges. Heavy 16.5g medium 15.86g and light 15.00g all from the same tin using calibrated scales.Also jsb has changed the design of the skirt depth from an average of 2.367mm original to 3.471mm latest. An average difference of 1.107mm. In a deeper skirt length. With a pellet height of a constant 7.56 that makes a percentage difference of 6.829. That can have a major ballistic effect on a pellet of 7.56mm. The batch number on the tin is 40560018.
Fun fact: hollow point pellets don't expand at all on lower powered air rifles. So for most people, it's not worth buying them.
Me who goes on eBay and just buys the cheapest ones that I can get not caring what shape they are: interesting
Well done very diligent .It took a lot of time to do this a great effort. congratulations on a good product.
The best pellet I ever use is crossman hollow points good for hunting and targeting
With pellets, and pellet guns, why do I hear pidgeons in the background? Get busy.
and sparrows!
genoa49 maybe cause it's illegal to dumbass
@@archiehards9174 hey Archie. Go fuck yourself.
@@archiehards9174 Hey Archie. You a Lieberal?
genoa49 lol imagine saying go fuck yourself to a 12 year old 😂😂
Can I buy darts for my 177 pump air rifle? I believe it’s probably smoothbore because it’s an inexpensive Daisy Crossman gun.
Steel darts should NEVER be used on rifled barrels!
Good vid m8. I like to see the exit holes from the back, it gives you an idea how much damage it might do to a small rodent or rabbit 🐇👍🏻
almost posted about having black tip real ammo then saw the DARTS. Holy shit im finding a gun and those darts here in Murica Asap Gonna have the best dart board ever in the barn time to whip out the visa!
I'll have a full video on the darts out soon.
video production quality needs abit of improvement sound is all over the place
The copper ball tipped ones you can buy them in lead with a metal bb ontop, I use to use them, can’t remember who made them but you can see till find them, I use .22 diablo Hades (awesome pellet, great quality) now and Premiere Domed (super cheap and not well made but they work well with my gun)
i have gammo penetrator in .177, steel tip but have a plastic skirt, just like the ones he showed but plastic instead of lead
Currently sold as Gamo Rocket with the little steel BB in the tip
steel pellets WILL NOT damage barrel rifling....the steel projectiles are purposely made from a softer steel than the steel gun barrels are made from...especially those gamo raptors...they are light as hell and made out of brass...theres no chance of of the non lead pellets damaging your rifling....unless the gun your using is absolutely ancient and made of super soft metal
In my experience gamo pellets broke my airgun (hw95) spring coz of poor quality and i only tested 3 shot and spring was broken
Sounds like a bad spring to me
@@FroznFox Yeah, 3 dry firings are unlikely to actually damage a spring. Don't do it though as it's not the spring that you need to worry about. The piston is what gets trashed by firing without a pellet, not the spring.
I have 2 German rifles a Walther terrus an a Diana 34 both .22 for some reason they like the crossman hollow points better than the most expensive ones.....
Thank you for the great information. it always amazes me that alot of people think air weapons aren't that dangerous. nice collection of rifles! thanks again!
@John Conner ?
Just love the education I have received from you Sir. Look forward to start collecting these pellets. Thanks vf
i have the gammo red tip and find they don't work very well in my gun, the tip separates from the lead skirt during flight making it essentially an off balanced hollow point that usually hits target sideways instead of tip first
Maby get a lower psi gun of clean the barrel if that doesn't work just use hollow point
The pellets that you describe as "slugs" were originally known as "Singles" and were mostly used in smooth bore guns.
I used the feather ones but didn't know my barrel aren't smooth I hope I didn't do damage as they shot terribly. My feather rounds looks like cast aluminium so they should be softer that the steel.
6:31 = 😂 You made a full video on balls! Splendid! How many balls did you have to play with to obtain your desired results? Two many?
Civil Individual Defense (Home/Office) SNR357 Snub Crosman modified .177 ... Rubber tape on handle for grip and eye screw for flat head screw replacement sight by hammer
Good video buddy look forward to the next ,, Shane uk 🇬🇧🤗
Just bought my first Air Rifle today and I'm excited to watch many more of your videos, thanks for the great info!
CROSSMAN DRESTROYER
You just can't beat JSB's ... forget the fancy stuff ... and forget anything ( well , almost anything ) H&N ... dont think ive ever put a good group of ANY calibre through any of my rifles ... but thats not what this vids about ... and YES , ive had a crap day at work ... good informative video though .. would bee interesting too see how much power each " projectile " attains , specially the " fancy ass " ones ..
Man jsb but dont forget. crosman hp are greater!!!!
Through my experiences, I found the Prometheus and similar types are best used for penetrating hard surfaces and high projectile velocities.