THE EVOLUTION OF MY FOREHAND - WHY MY FOREHAND IS THE WAY IT IS...
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- How my forehand evolved and why?
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Harry, more important than the grip is: the split step, identifying the flight of the incoming ball, choose the side (forehand, backhand) and the unit turn. All this has to be done before the ball bounces on your side of the court. You´re always hitting late, that is the major problem I can see.
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That was how I learned as well though I looked more to Rod Laver than Mac. Then I transitioned to an Eastern in my late teens and then went modern in my 40s with a Semi-Western. Both of the transitions were quite difficult and took about six months each for the stroke. Now we have the next-next-gen forehand where you point the racquet towards your opponent in the takeback. I don't think that I'm going to make that transition.
Great concept for a video. It's hard to be original with so much TH-cam tennis content, but you are 'da man. You forgot to mention that before Agassi there was the truly awesome modern-like forehand of Jimmy Arias
coach rob playing semiwestern is fantastic ahahahha
The evolution of grip - continental, semi western, western, extreme western and then continental again. ARW (all around world))
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someone needs to utilize the northern grip where you hold the racket by the head and hit the ball with the grip.
Enjoyed the video. Had the same evolution, same time period. Still learning. One point, I thought the semi western was holding (picking up) the racket like a frying pan. You were stating that was the full western, I think.
Thanks for this video. As an older player that learned to play with wood racquets and a continental grip, I struggle with players that learned from the start to hit the forehand with a open stance and a lot of topspin. Changing my forehand at this point is hampered by muscle memory and much less physical ability to adapt. I think the conversion to the "modern" forehand has been made possible with the tremendous improvement in racquet technology. I don't think that current players would have much success with the modern forehand with older wooden racquets.
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Turn, take racket back, point butt of racket toward ball, step into the shot and swing low to high. No wrist!! Im getting back into the game at 56 and having a blast learning the modern swing. Kinda crazy how the grip changes everything.
You're missing a lot. Why no wrist? The racquet goes from high to low to high. Same as throwing a baseball properly. Unless you talking about receiving a hard serve
My forehand journey resembled Harry's. I went from continental, semi western, full western/hawaiian, now back to semi western. Every now and then I am switching to modified eastern depending on how the day is going with my timing and swing. Going from full western back to semi-western was no joke. It took a lot of patience + frustration to make that adjustment. The transition going from semi-western to full western was easier for me than the other way around. But then again, I played most of my tennis years using Full Western.
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@@emjay2045 lol. Those were not the words I was using when I was working on that latest grip change.
Harry, you must remember Ray the ups driver. I think he retired after many years on 4th st
Jimmy Arias is widely regarded as the one who brought about the modern forehand. He turned pro in 1980, well before Agassi and Harry started doing it. “I feel I was the first one after Agassi...” @9:45 🤣
Borg?
@@lolvonlolipopp Borg definitely started using more topspin, but he was still in the wooden racquet era. The windshield wiper, whippy forehand came to be with lighter graphite racquets with larger head sizes.
Borg! 1974. Vilas. And Arias used the same Donnay wooden racket. Other "modern" forehands in the 80´s: Wilander, Becker, Gomez, Krickstein..
@@miguelbarahona6636 Awesome. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
As stated Borg was the first. I trained at the Bollittieri Academy in the early 80’s for 2 years and at that point no one was being taught continental or eastern grips. Arias was #6 in the world at that time and his topspin game was being emulated throughout the Academy with a semi-western. Andre, Krickstein, Courier all in the semi-western world give or take a little.
I'm fairly sure that most pros and advanced players, even though they may use for example a semi-western on a normal height baseline ball, often change their FH grip to more eastern for low balls and more western for high or short balls etc. You can see them changing the grip minutely whilst watching the ball. Might be a better way to think about the grip, rather than trying to hit every FH the same way.
No man, believe nobody does that. The max someone would is change to continental for low balls but anyone goes western for high ball. instead, they take the ball on the rise, at the height of their shoulders, and swing from high to low. I am not a pro player but i am a 9 utr and know many players better than me and nobody does it
What? No one advanced or on the ATP tour changes their grip depending on the ball. Lower balls you get lower and more importantly drop the racket head below the ball. Been playing competitively with a strong semi-western for 30+ years.
@@eincan1313 I agree that no one changes the grip completely from SW to W etc. My question said 'more eastern' and 'more western' meaning a tiny movement away from their normal position towards the other grips but not completely different. It's a well known thing in fact many pros and advanced players do.
I’m more curious about why you have no concept of the unit turn and the kinetic chain given how many decades you’ve played. You arm the ball on your ground strokes.
The coach here still has the classic continental stroke but far smoother than Harry and Harry is trying to transition to semi-western but has no notion of the kinetics to take advantage of the grip. The blind leading the blind, Keystone Cops like.
@@a2casius the coach doesn't actually play tennis games. He is a feeder for beginners
Time isn't so much the deal here.. I know guys that have played for 50-60 years that still have a very loose basic ability to tap into the kinetic chain on their strokes even though they Totally understand their lack of unit turn. it's one of those things you have to wanna put in the work to fix a bad habit.. and unless you are playing competitive it can be kinda hard to motivate changes like that.. especially when you have to unlearn some muscle memory
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Don't get to close to your ups guy. They always change routes eventually
Bye the way, do you know anything about Bill Fowler? He was a golf guy as well as tennis
Eastern grip is the best grip IF you want the most power . . . western is for spin . . . continental is for volleys, half-volleys and quickest transition between backhand and forehand.
Agreed. Roger Federer proven that.
Its true that way for many years. But these day, people are doing more top spin than flat. Top spin are heavy so it also open up the courts where you can finish the point. The flat is risky all the time cause you can kill yourself. So, most everyone use semi western and western. Even with that, you can hit a flatter shot that are strong. It's also evolution like if you look at nick how he hit the ball flat really fast. So, everything is preference of your likes. The way you feel comfortable to play. That's your style of games and you will get better over time
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Doing full western or semi western is fine but for your age or so with my age (51y/o) it will entail a lot of effort to execute since you need to really brush up on the ball. On my younger days i also used to doing semi western but now i got more comfortable on eastern since it has less arm movement and no fast strokes like in western shots. One day i guarantee you will revert back to eastern as you evolve again but for now might as well enjoy it.
Interesting. I’m 56 and still comfortably using the semi western and play with heavy topspin. I also learned tennis using the eastern grip. Look at my TH-cam th-cam.com/video/202gqyq_sQE/w-d-xo.html
I´m 54 and still using semiwestern (since my childhood). I have 2 videos on my channel, glad if you rate my strokes.
@@miguelbarahona6636 You have really good technique off both sides esp the footwork. Would need to see more beyond just the wall for analysis.
Semi is good for the forehand.
Maybe ask Brent Zellar to share his thoughts on your show? That would be interesting for your followers.
that's eastern not continental
Where is your left hand ? Now we can see lot of players using their left hand during the preparation of the Forehand.
So what’s the next evolution? I’m waiting for someone to come along that can hit perfect forehands on both sides. Someone ground breaking that has ignored their coaches and just learned from an early age to hit open on both sides. In snooker we had an Englishman that did something similar, and the first time he did it against an opponent everyone thought he was showboating.. it was not the case. He was just as good left handed and it gave him a natural advantage on reaching over the table, and others have followed.. so in tennis I want to see a natural lefty/righty. Hopefully they are out there right now.. it’s not me, sadly I was coached continental 35 years ago.
Ahh, The Rocket vs Robidoux. The rest is history!
nadal can do it I think, he plays forehand with the non dominant hand
More sports are going that way. Cricket is another gradually adapting to the benefits of being ambidextrous, and I know it seems unnatural to us now having not been brought up doing it, but start early enough and it’s possible. Mickelson is right handed but learned golf early using a left handed set. In tennis surely there’s a benefit to…. Less court coverage, better reach, more power, remove the go to slice that we all feel we have to play..ask kids what hand they text/message/type with. Both are equal because they’ve just done it from day 1.
There are a few singlehand forehand players on both sides, but not at top level. And I think there wont be at top level.
There’s an American kid doing two forehands now and serving both sides. I’m looking forward to see if he can transition to the pro level still doing it. I’m transitioning myself and the serve is the hardest thing for me. I still am terrible at lefty serve. Interestingly my one handed lefty backhand is the first shot that I have confidence in. It’s tough unless you start being ambidextrous at a very young age.
Eastern, stay eastern my friend.
If he can't teach a modern forehand he shouldn't be teaching at all.
They didn’t say he can’t teach the modern swing. He just doesn’t use it himself.
Your not doing that with your wrist; you are pronating the arm which turns the wrist over.
I like Harry and appreciate his videos, however watching him play tennis is cringe worthy on so many levels. All arm, no spacing and makes no attempt to use the legs at the start of the kinetic chain. Doesn’t matter what grip he uses, it won’t improve until he learns how to do a proper unit turn, use the ground for power and his off arm for spacing and balance.
This video is embarrassing on so many levels. Pointless.
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Not meaning to be harsh, but coach robs methods and technical knowledge is very basic. No wonder neither of them can hit a semi decent forehand. I’m not surprised Harry’s forehand is as bad as it is when his coach’s technique is really not much better. Quite embarrassed as I’m a coach myself is this is very poor.
this is not a fair comment to coach rob. he uses a continental grip on both the forehand and backhand side like they did back in the day, but his timing and spacing from the ball are perfectly fine. just because it doesn't look 'modern' doesn't mean his technique is bad