Such a pleasure to listen to Kamini and Anirudh. They go beyond repeating narratives from the past, and hold their own to share their learnings from diving into historical evidences
Aniruddh Kanisetty spews venom .. "jumped-up little village warlords" ... That the Cholas fought a decisive naval battle and it wasn't for conquest but for the sake of their merchant guilds and the Cholas married into the local royalty .. Rajendra married a Malay woman, who was well known in Tanjore, married princesses from his extended family into them, and that there is a part-Chola, part-Malay noble families. The old Malay word for Indians was "Chuliya" The battles paved way for diplomacy, familial & business ties, mainly access to ports and trade routes
Anirudh's talk here is dramatic, intelligent and poetic as always, it has only improved from his podcasting days, but he always had a grudge against the Cholas. He always denigrates them, but ends up talking so much about them as well. Here in this talk, he casually doubted Rajendra's claim about the conquest of Ganga and how difficult it is logistically for small populations of that time to go on a faraway conquest, Indian kings have claimed even greater conquests and have been proved right, so there is no evidence to prove Rajendra was wrong. Anirudh himself explains that Gangaikonda Cholapuram was a personification of Mount Meru and the waters from ganga was used to symbolically recreate the puranas, then why was he doubting Rajendra in the first place? Just because the Cholas left a treasure trove of information about themselves, unlike other dynasties, it has become easier for everyone to cast aspersions against the great dynasty
I was expecting Kamini will find out why Linga instead of Nataraja inside the temple? There is a reason, right on the inscription and it is critical for any historian.
Whatever you know about medieval history is because of chola inscriptions. Just think why only the cholas inscriptions are alive and the inscriptions of other dynasties are not there. Why because they are th only people alive to create it or something else. Can you pls think and explain.
Anirudh is consistently anti chola !!! he slowly bleeding into innuendo and trying to be more than a historical and being political! great talent getting wasted!
Anirudh is basing his claims on evidence or rather lack of evidence. It may be hard to come up with such clinching evidences. Nevertheless, we need such alternative perspectives rather than being washed away by popular narratives. Right from Sangam days (read Puranaanooru on how Vel Pari was killed by Chola, Chera and Pandya) merchant guilds and the emperors were feeding off each others. Also, his answer for the decline of Cholas is more believable and practical. I hope he has gathered evidences for the Chola decline. Brilliant work!
Not giving proper evidence, Instead started mocking them. Truth is always given without making fun of somebody. If he is making fun of then he is hiding the truth.
Young historians coming to the fore...but need evidence...and time will tell if they are speaking with primary evidence or mafe to taell a tale. W Darlymple should ge a side show.... Aagi...baggi...😂 we do not need them anymore...
Anirudh , you are just throwing your opinion and not challenging facts proven by historians. One book doesn’t make you an authority on everything . Half of what you say is just opinion
Kanisetti is one of the worst historians in India. He hardly has studied any primary sources. It is ridiculous that a guy like that is speaking in front of an audience.
Anirudh seems to be BS-ing quite a bit here. His claims need fact-checking as he appears to have a pre-conceived notion about Tamil and Kannada kings and is twisting facts to make Tamil kings look bad. He lost me when he said Polaris star is not visible from Tamil Nadu! Makes me question everything else he presents so confidently, could all be stuff he is just making them up as he speaks.
*Anirudh is a big bullshitter, never trust him.. He can twist and fabricate history as he wants.. I have seen his BS in print and i dismantled his lies in that video, since then I never trust him.*
Anirudh presents such a balanced take on the Cholas. It was annoying that Dalrymple kept bringing up Sanjeev Sanyal. Sanyal is not even an authority on economics despite being an economist, let alone history. An utter nincompoop.
@@nirvanabliss73 they can. they are free to do what they want. but as a consumer of history I don't expect politics in a history class. but, then that is how most people are nowadays. they mix their personal opinion with their professions. sad!
@@si8lk So you are effectively saying that if some historian says that the communist historians did harm to the writing of Indian history, then you are opposed to it Since that would be mixing politics and personal opinions with history. I dont quite agree with that
you don't just talk to archeologists to make up your mind about Chola activities. I think something more should be done to get a better, clearer view of the Cholas.
Such a pleasure to listen to Kamini and Anirudh. They go beyond repeating narratives from the past, and hold their own to share their learnings from diving into historical evidences
Kanisetti is imaginative, and light footed. He would make a good story teller, in the manner of the bollywood historical narratives.
"gangai konda chozhan" as rajendra chozhan was called.
Aniruddh Kanisetty spews venom .. "jumped-up little village warlords" ... That the Cholas fought a decisive naval battle and it wasn't for conquest but for the sake of their merchant guilds and the Cholas married into the local royalty .. Rajendra married a Malay woman, who was well known in Tanjore, married princesses from his extended family into them, and that there is a part-Chola, part-Malay noble families. The old Malay word for Indians was "Chuliya" The battles paved way for diplomacy, familial & business ties, mainly access to ports and trade routes
Congratulations 🎉Madam…
Anirudh's talk here is dramatic, intelligent and poetic as always, it has only improved from his podcasting days, but he always had a grudge against the Cholas. He always denigrates them, but ends up talking so much about them as well. Here in this talk, he casually doubted Rajendra's claim about the conquest of Ganga and how difficult it is logistically for small populations of that time to go on a faraway conquest, Indian kings have claimed even greater conquests and have been proved right, so there is no evidence to prove Rajendra was wrong. Anirudh himself explains that Gangaikonda Cholapuram was a personification of Mount Meru and the waters from ganga was used to symbolically recreate the puranas, then why was he doubting Rajendra in the first place? Just because the Cholas left a treasure trove of information about themselves, unlike other dynasties, it has become easier for everyone to cast aspersions against the great dynasty
He’s from vizag which bore the brunt of Rajendra ‘s invasion. He’s miffed probably about that fact 😂
Great talk, terrible video. How difficult is it to project the slides on screen? It's been done from the time of the Cholas!😅
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Very thinking anirudh, looks like sooner or later, you will begin to even question, whether the cholas existed or not.
Anirudh, do you have the official population numbers of the cauvery delta region of those older times.? Can you pls let me know.
Anirudh just go to school again
I was expecting Kamini will find out why Linga instead of Nataraja inside the temple? There is a reason, right on the inscription and it is critical for any historian.
Great talk on cholas.
Whatever you know about medieval history is because of chola inscriptions. Just think why only the cholas inscriptions are alive and the inscriptions of other dynasties are not there. Why because they are th only people alive to create it or something else. Can you pls think and explain.
Anirudh is consistently anti chola !!! he slowly bleeding into innuendo and trying to be more than a historical and being political! great talent getting wasted!
pls pronounce chozhan not chola
No point watching this video since you can't see the slides.
Someone should write in english about pylikeshi. Kadambas Rashtrakootas Pandyas etc
Wow so balanced and brilliant.
Anirudh is basing his claims on evidence or rather lack of evidence. It may be hard to come up with such clinching evidences. Nevertheless, we need such alternative perspectives rather than being washed away by popular narratives. Right from Sangam days (read Puranaanooru on how Vel Pari was killed by Chola, Chera and Pandya) merchant guilds and the emperors were feeding off each others. Also, his answer for the decline of Cholas is more believable and practical. I hope he has gathered evidences for the Chola decline. Brilliant work!
Not giving proper evidence, Instead started mocking them. Truth is always given without making fun of somebody. If he is making fun of then he is hiding the truth.
Young historians coming to the fore...but need evidence...and time will tell if they are speaking with primary evidence or mafe to taell a tale. W Darlymple should ge a side show....
Aagi...baggi...😂
we do not need them anymore...
Anirudh , you are just throwing your opinion and not challenging facts proven by historians. One book doesn’t make you an authority on everything . Half of what you say is just opinion
Kanisetti is one of the worst historians in India. He hardly has studied any primary sources. It is ridiculous that a guy like that is speaking in front of an audience.
Anirudh seems to be BS-ing quite a bit here. His claims need fact-checking as he appears to have a pre-conceived notion about Tamil and Kannada kings and is twisting facts to make Tamil kings look bad. He lost me when he said Polaris star is not visible from Tamil Nadu! Makes me question everything else he presents so confidently, could all be stuff he is just making them up as he speaks.
Anirudh is just spitting a kandiga's hate for Tamil 😂
If you don't like don't talk about them!!
*Anirudh is a big bullshitter, never trust him.. He can twist and fabricate history as he wants.. I have seen his BS in print and i dismantled his lies in that video, since then I never trust him.*
What did you dismantle?
Can you pls elaborate and enlighten us on this ......
Anirudh presents such a balanced take on the Cholas. It was annoying that Dalrymple kept bringing up Sanjeev Sanyal. Sanyal is not even an authority on economics despite being an economist, let alone history. An utter nincompoop.
Right wingers gets so irritated with Anirudh😂
Who clipped ur intellectual wings
She may be better speaking in Tamil. He is a bit full of himself besides being a bit political for a historian. ahem!
can you pls explain how he is political.....
He makes snide remarks on the current politics of the land.
@@MainHyderabadi I listened to his remarks, I did not think them snide, why can't a historian comment on current affairs n politics?
@@nirvanabliss73 they can. they are free to do what they want. but as a consumer of history I don't expect politics in a history class. but, then that is how most people are nowadays. they mix their personal opinion with their professions. sad!
@@si8lk So you are effectively saying that if some historian says that the communist historians did harm to the writing of Indian history, then you are opposed to it Since that would be mixing politics and personal opinions with history. I dont quite agree with that
you don't just talk to archeologists to make up your mind about Chola activities. I think something more should be done to get a better, clearer view of the Cholas.