Top 10 Games These Two Jokers Don't Appreciate
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- Tom, Sam, and Zee get into it and discuss games the others should like or appreciate more! (Recorded live at Dice Tower Con.)
00:00 - Introduction
03:48 - Sam’s #10
05:59 - Tom’s #10
07:42 - Zee’s #10
08:50 - Tom’s #9
10:05 - Zee’s #9
11:56 - Sam’s #9
13:15 - Zee’s #8
15:03 - Sam’s #8
16:21 - Tom’s #8
18:06 - Zee’s #7
18:58 - Tom’s #7
20:30 - Sam’s #7
22:15 - Tom’s #6
24:15 - Sam’s #6
26:00 - Zee’s #6
27:41 - Sam’s #5
29:59 - Zee’s #5
31:34 - Tom’s #5
33:14 - Sam’s #4
34:40 - Tom’s #4
35:52 - Zee’s #4
37:20 - Tom’s #3
38:25 - Zee’s #3
40:18 - Sam’s #3
42:18 - Zee’s #2
43:50 - Sam’s #2
45:03 - Tom’s #2
49:23 - Sam’s #1
51:26 - Tom’s #1
54:02 - Zee’s #1
56:04 - Audience Participation
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"The only reason this game is popular, is because people like it!"
lol, that's some epic wisdom right there.
I really like Zee Garcia's inclusion as one of the "primary" dice tower guys. He is a good foil to the other two guys.
These 3 have developed such a great chemistry over the years. Hilarious stuff!
Honestly, one of the things I LOVE about this show is that each of them prepare so differently!!
I'm so glad that they haven't been forced to change that part of the format and are left to be individuals and interpret the lists differently.
It's great because: It usually results in a diverse list instead of 7+ list crossovers and that has me spending hours watching more of their videos watching reviews.
It's bad because: My wallet gets a bashing at the local games store hahahaha
Such a winning combination, these three!!
I like Sam's methodology for his list.
"I spoke too soon, Samuel!" that had me in tears. That was one of your funniest videos ever. Loved It!
This was maybe the best Top 10 you guys have ever done. I can't put my finger on why. There's a good energy in the room.
you guys are really entertaining when you feed off the crowd's energy. this might be your best top ten list!
I love the bickering! Makes these Top 10s all the more fun to watch!
I agree with Zee. There are great solitaire games that people just turn their nose up to. Why is it weird to play a great solo card/board game but it's no problem to play a tablet/video game alone? I play with plenty of people but I do like solo games at times.
I totally agree. I mostly play solo games or games that are playable solo (it is almost a requirement for me nowdays whenever I am buying s new game) and I think they provide a completely different experience than a videogame (which I find fun to play as well).
I would further add that while it is perfectly fine to consider the social component that most board games provide one of the main reasons (or even THE reason) to play, it is neither the case for everybody nor the only possible way to enjoy the hobby.
I got 51st State Master Set and Tiny Epic Galaxies at Origins and they both have very engaging solo variants. I have also been playing Samurai Spirit solo and it is also highly recomended.
While I play on the tablet as well, and there are games like Sentinels of the Multiverse that are even better that way, I still like the physical experience of shuffling, rolling dice, moving miniatures (I am a huge miniature colector) and just looking at actual objects instead of just a screen. I don't think it has to be one or the other, but you can enjoy both.
Because good video games are so much better _games_, than what board games ever are.
Social interaction, people in the same room, over the same table, is what board games are good at. If I don't have that social interaction, even with one another person, there is no real reason why I would play an inferior game, when I can play a better one, and as a bonus have a far less hassle of setting up and cleaning the game.
Zee owns the live audience videos.
With live top ten videos the energy is always just so high, I love it.
Zee is definitely the real star in this video. Hilarious.
"Box."
He's the star in every video.
After seeing a lot of videos from Dice Tower, watching this one, understanding the internal jokes, is just amazing the chemistry, Hope you made another one... almost five years people
This video was awesome. Best top 10 w/ you three in a LONG TIME.
This was my favorite top ten board game list ever. You guys did a great job live!
I'm very surprised an audience member didn't say "Mage Knight" towards Sam or Tom because it's the fantasy adventure game that all other games in the genre hang posters of in their bedrooms, dreaming to be like it one day
Exactly!
I believe Tom gave a good review of Mage Knight, but to be honest I think he cooled off on it.
They didn't predict how many crossover games they have like they usually do :P
This is by far the funniest DT Top 10 list. So many moments where I burst out laughing... Thanks guys!
I agree with Zee that a time limit of an hour hurts the game. The reason is that it is not a goal to for towards. At least earning 15 points is something that you can work towards while play until an hour is over is bad. A game should end because the players within the game result it in reaching a conclusion, and not some extent force causing the game to end.
Possibly the most entertaining Top 10 list you have made!
Love listening to you getting meta on these lists, keep up the good work guys!
This is one of my favorite Top 10 lists from the Dice Tower and here's why: This exchange illustrates perfectly how heavily hyped games that can be great, doesn't mean its great for everyone. Numerous times in this list I liked a game one of the trio proposed that was less appreciated by the other two. Clearly, there's a reason why any top 10 by the Dice Tower (or anyone else) seldom agrees with a people's choice list. This teaches me to play and buy what I like, despite what might be popular out there. Thanks guys!
And once again, Blue Moon shows up on a list!! It will be really nice if we get a video (or 2 or 3) of Zee playing a couple of matches of this awesome game. There are just a few on youtube, we need more specially by someone that obviously appreciate the game.
Everytime he mentions that game the song starts going in my head...(Katie Lang)... It is on my, gotta play that sometime list.
Carmen Sandiego really let herself go...
LMAO
20:30, I'm totally with Zee on this one. Points or dollars can be ACHIEVED, and so a victory is properly claimed. A time limit is arbitrary.
The thing is that unless the game is real-time or otherwise timed, the clock is not part of the game’s internal economy. Points, money and number of rounds all are. So yes, the method of just stopping after a while with an arbitrary time limit is artificial in a way that those other things are not.
oh gosh that was great. :) keep top tens coming, pleas. :)
I was surprised Agricola didn't show up on Toms list
Probably because Caverna replaced it for him. But yeah, he still "likes" it.
i think is zee that hates agricola
Zee and Sam disliked it, I am fairly certain, but Tom liked it. Thus it could have been on Tom's list, but Caverna replaced Agricola for Tom.
It isn't 2013.
I enjoy Tabletop, and cant think of a game that I think they have ruined. I also don't get all the hate, since aren't they bringing people into the hobby. Watching that is what got me re interested.
Yeah, I don't know you would hate on something that brings interest to your hobby. Even when something is "bandwagon" that is still more eyes, more money, more interest on something you enjoy. So it, in general, isn't bad.
I think it's because TableTop doesn't do LOOOOONNNNGGGG games and only Zee doesn't like LOOOOONNNNGGGG games. Personally I have perchaeed several games BECAUSE I watched the game play on TableTop, whereas I have NOT purchased a number of games based on Dice Tower.
Yeah. I bought Nottingham BECAUSE TableTop made it look fun.
Yeah, I didn't understand what they were saying here at all. I stumbled into tabletop one day, and it is basically what got me into gaming. When I saw them play Sheriff, it went to the top of my wishlist. What did they do that in that episode that ruined it??? When I play I encourage people to play the roles and come up with silly reasons for what they are bringing in and whatnot.
I just played Galaxy Trucker today for the first time, and it was a lot of chaotic fun.
I've finally found a video that makes me fall out of my chair laughing within ten minutes
Watching this at the end of 2017, still one of your best top tens
Great stuff all around, guys! Sam, thanks for spreading Tannhauser love!
The reaction of the three to Eclipse was hilarious. Personally, Eclipse is currently my favorite game of all time. XD
Great episode guys, great top 10 idea!
This is great.... You guys have great banter with each other.
What a fantastic session! I think Zee was about to rocket right out of his seat toward the end.
Honestly, I'm jumping ship and joining Sam's team because of his Codenames commentary. Spot on, God bless.
Ok Zee too, you guys were both brilliant in that takedown.
Nico Boggs Disagree with all three of you. Codenames is a brilliant design.
Top ten list are great and one day o one sweet day i will be at the dicetower confention all the way from the Netherlands;)
The title of this video alone made it a must watch for me.
oh man, this is soo amazing!! I really wish I could've been there...
The Zee/Sam back and forth on this skate really close to uncomfortable, but manage to stay in the realm of amazing.
The live audience made this one a lot of fun.
I was listening to this in the gym and two times I almost dropped the weights on myself, since I had to laugh so hard :D One of my favourite top 10's!
Tom saying “ok, let’s move on” after zee and Sam’s picks is so funny.
Excellent video, well done guys.
Awesome title for a top ten for you guys!
45:15 Zee's "oh no... *hurk* I SPOKE TOO SOON SAMUEL!" will go in my Zee's Finest Moments Gallery :D
Just found this video and it's one of the funniest videos I've watched! Full on belly laugh!
Man this video so fun to watch :D
Yes to Tannhauser...but only so I can buy the equipment cards as I've bought everything for it...darn you Sam...it's a great game, beautifully put together.
I'm with Zee... always played solitaire. It would be great IF I had a game group... BUT most of us don't have that many people to play games with. I agree with Sam... "Last Night on Earth" IS a great zombie game... I own all the expansions and find it a great game... I think I have never found a zombie game that was perfect, but I am hopeful. SAM... DUDE! "Tannhauser" is one of my top five games ever created! Try creating some new scenarios... use the boards from "Mansions of Madness" or "Gears of War" to expand the battles! OK, Tom... I'm with you for "Galaxy Trucker"... I get a kick from it and I have great fun with it. GREAT video! Love these live top tens.... continue to be cruel, and vicious... can't help but love it.
One of the funniest episodes ever. I don't even play boardgames much but I watch the Top 10s.
I had a blast with this video! I wish I had been there xD
now I get why "flick em up" wasn't in the blender
I was hoping someone would cover it, I wanted another opinion, I am on the fence.
Sam "This Is How I Did My List" Healey
Agree with Zee, Claustrophobia is a great game and I think it and Descent can fit into the same collection as well as Level 7 [Omega Protocol], which I love too, since all three are varied enough to scratch different itches.
Sam: Asteroyds
Zee: Witch of Salem
Tom: Mombasa
Sam: Thurn & Taxis
Zee: 5 Tribes
Tom: Police Precinct
Sam: Stone Age
Zee: In The Year of the Dragon
Tom: Flick 'em Up!
Sam: Battlestar Galactica
Zee: Race for the Galaxy
Tom: Duel of Ages II
Sam: Operation F.A.U.S.T
Zee: Claustrophobia
Tom: Flash Point: Fire Rescue
Sam: Revolution!
Zee: Tides of Time
Tom: Arcadia Quest
Sam: Last Night on Earth
Zee: Blue Moon Legends
Tom: Xia: Legends of a Drift System
Sam: Fire & Axe: A Viking Saga
Zee: Friday
Tom: Innovation
Sam: Tannhauser
Zee: Kobayakawa
Tom: Galaxy Trucker
Sam: Twilight Imperium 3rd Ed
Zee: Factory Fun
Tom: Codenames
Thank you sir!
You are the mvp
John Grayson ;
Agree with Zee. games officially ending after a time limit when everyone agrees to stop playing is artificial.
These live top 10s are always a blast :) and i completely agree with the last audience guy about two player variant of Tokaido. Such a mean, but fun way to play that otherwise zen game ;)
I first played on Board Game Arena. There is no zen. Those players are cutthroat!
prufrock1977 well, i kind of agree, that it can be cutthroat, but it just looks and the game flow feels zenny :)
Wish I was there in time. Hilarious list. If I went up, I would have said Advanced Civilization. Too long for Zee, too old for Tom, and too rude for Sam.
As far as solo games go, I play them because otherwise I’d get next to NO playtime whatsoever.
I loved this one! Any chance at a top 10 portable games? Like games you can easily take to a restaurant or bar and play in minimal space?
Okay, that was unexpectedly funny and interesting.
This was so entertaining!
The description should instead be "Sam and Zee REALLY get into and Tom jokes about it."
This one made me laugh more than pretty much all their videos.
This show is a hit. Very impressive.
That was fun! Thanks guys!
I enjoy the top 10 videos, but definitely not the live audience. Glad this is an exception.
I seen quite a few games where the play time listed doesn't count the 3 hours to set up the the game. Once you get the game set up for experienced players it will probably take close to the advertised time.
Glad to see Sam sticking up for Last night on Earth. One of my favorite games ever :D
I enjoy both The Dice Tower and Tabletop. No hating please! Both ignites my passion for games. Hope to see Tom on one of Tabletop's episode or vice-versa. Tom x Wil make it happen!!! 🤘🏼😅
My game that these jokers don't appreciate is Code of nine. I always enjoy the fact that every decision counts and you are always on your toes thinking about what everyone is doing. I understand that it isn't for everyone though, but I'm always have a fun time playing it.
Another great Top Ten list guys! It's always fun to see the differences in taste you guys have from each other. I'm hoping my wife and I can make it to next year's Con!
One thing though... the potshots at TableTop are not only unnecessary... but are a bit low-class. Besides, it would probably be best to put a moratorium on casting shade on other channels' playthoughs until the memory fades a bit of the Dice Tower's absolutely embarrassing live play videos with Stephen and Rodney not so long ago...
That's clearly not what I said at all. Besides, why would they even need to give an example of something like that, much less point fingers (by name!) at a specific channel like Tabletop? Pretty sure every hobby gamer has had it happen at one time or another... we all know what they're talking about.
I realize that for whatever reason, it's pretty much expected for "serious" gamers to look down their noses at Tabletop... but the Dice Tower is pretty much the flagship for board game media, and they should be better than that. It comes across as talking out of both sides of their mouths to see Tom "defend" Tabletop in is Q&As (correctly pointing out the huge number of gamers Wil has brought into the hobby, for instance) and then see them take cheapshots in other videos (especially hypocritical ones like this one).
True... but I've never, EVER seen anything in a playthrough video as embarrassing or annoying as Jason's behavior during Dark Moon. Because of it, that was the first marathon playthrough vid that the Dice Tower has posted that I turned off and decided to not watch the rest of (I did watch the second part, though, and was nearly as annoyed with him in DoW).
Back to your original response... I do actually think it would have been better for them to use that as an example... they give Jason crap all the time, and "jokingly" bringing up Jason ruining Dark Moon wouldn't have seemed out of place at all (and would have shown people who didn't read Jason's apology on BGG that the Dice Tower peeps recognize the disaster that was).
However, the main thing is... I just HATE when TH-cam channels take shots at other channels. I'd like to think they didn't mean to "call out" Tabletop... but Sam having to point out "Sheriff of Nottingham, too!!!!" sure made it seem like shots fired. The last thing we need is stupid TH-cam drama between boardgame channels. Besides, I'm still holding out hope that Tom will someday be on Tabletop!
@@WarpedLord This is a very old comment, but can you tell me what happened during this playthrough? Im really interested, but just listening to you talk about it has got me cringing. I cant even imagine.
The only reason this game is popular is because people like it.
- Zee Garcia
12:18 Sam says Thurn & Taxis has an interesting theme, yet it was number 8 on his "Worst themes" list 🤔
The dichotomy you guys had in this video was great! or would it be a trichotomy... i know it's not a word, but i enjoyed it anyway :p
Krimson62 it's a neologism which works.
another positive to eclipse: it comes with ALL THE TOOLS to make it a proper war game with a tiny modification to hex exploration (3s can go infinitely far and many ancient hex's are removed), so it can be played that way with little effort if the 'euro game' part doesn't work for you!
Wow 5 mins in and my belly already hurts because off laughing :-)
Will the Flash Point Fire Rescue promos be available now that the con is over?
I love Flash point . It seems like a replacement game to pandemic both are co op but in flash point the alpha gamer seems constricted because it gives everyone such a great feeling of clearing fire for yourself and no one really has to help you that much
I missed something. How did Tabletop screw up Sheriff of Nottingham?
It was the players, not the show.
@@kevinsullivan3448 What about them?
I gotta agree with Sam on Codenames. I felt like Diplomacy was missing from this list!
Seriously, Hive is great. I stand by it.
Just never stand on a hive you might get stung!
I need a vine or reaction gif of Zee-thinking-about-18XX.
Came here based solely on the title of the video.
Codenames is one of the games I find nice to play between bigger more interesting games to have a bit of a break
Sam and Zee's hate for Galaxy Trucker only make me like it more! Great list.
Sam, Tom, and Zee. These are the og
My group loves Firefly, but I've been saying since we first played it that the cards lie about how long the game will take :)
I have Zee's problem of simple game, lots of little rules to teach in the game Smallworld. Simple area control concept but all the special powers make it difficult to teach or drags on first play as people read the cheat sheets. The game's length then makes it much less fun for the amount of depth involved.
BSG "No sympathizer" 6p variant (official, on FFG's website) is actually my favorite mode of play
We never use the sympathizer. We just say, "pretend it's a human card."
In my last game I was the sympathizer and was throne in prison for 1/3 of the game, it was frustrating but still had fun.
With the expansions especially Daybreak, the Muntineer or with Cylon Leader any player count works. Daybreak throws out their argument completely..
"Top 10 Games I Like to Play With These Two Jokers" sounds like a good one to me.
factory fun is surely mentioned somewhere in there :p
Galaxy Trucker is also a game about getting beaten up less then the others
Factory Fun is a steaming pile of cardboard. Zee talked so highly about it that I bought it and now I dream of burning it
Cut into pieces and make it a puzzle?
There's a ton of game in BSG. It was one of my first 6 games getting into the hobby and playing 300ish games later (and owning 200 of them) it's still my favorite game of all time.
However, play with 5.
I will stand by solitaire. I just like both: playing with people and on my own. It's like this puzzle/adventure for you to figure out. Like a video game. Where you either solve problems or explore. Just different space.
P.s. And the guy was clearly promoting the games.
I agree. I love solo games as much as non solo games. I love video games too, but I really enjoy getting off of a screen and physically manipulating components. And I really love appreciating clever design so when I'm alone, I can do that.
I also am a huge proponent for good solo modes to other games. Honestly a just okay solo varient is a good inclusion. I'm the one teaching all the board games so a solo mode/variant is one of the ways I explore the game to get the general idea so I can teach.
I really enjoy Firefly: The Game, and Yomi. The former is a game universe which I'm a massive fan of so that helps, but the gameplay is like a "what-if" of mixing crew members and scenarios from the TV show merged with Pick Up & Deliver. For Yomi, I really like it because it emulates what fighting videogames do in terms of the core "rock-paper-scissors" mechanism (rather like Gale Force 9's WWE Superstar Showdown - incidentally, another game which I also happen to enjoy, so fans of wrestling and Yomi should definitely check that out too!).