Top 10 Turkeys
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2024
- So Tom, Sam, and Zee are talking about turkeys? Say what?
00:00 - Introduction
04:54 - Sam’s #10
07:03 - Tom’s #10
08:27 - Zee’s #10
09:43 - Tom’s #9
11:17 - Zee’s #9
13:24 - Sam’s #9
16:40 - Zee’s #8
18:35 - Sam’s #8
20:27 - Tom’s #8
22:02 - Zee’s #7
23:32 - Tom’s #7
25:26 - Sam’s #7
26:58 - Tom’s #6
30:04 - Sam’s #6
32:13 - Zee’s #6
34:28 - Sam’s #5
37:20 - Zee’s #5
39:58 - Tom’s #5
41:06 - Sam’s #4
43:04 - Tom’s #4
45:01 - Zee’s #4
47:47 - Tom’s #3
49:44 - Zee’s #3
51:48 - Sam’s #3
54:21 - Zee’s #2
56:35 - Sam’s #2
58:54 - Tom’s #2
01:01:12 - Zee’s #1
01:03:19 - Sam’s #1
01:06:26 - Tom’s #1
A "turkey" is a game that we don't feel as passionate about anymore. With that out of the way, come join in!
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Top 10 Turkeys
1. Thanksgiving 2016
2. Thanksgiving 2011
3. Thanksgiving 2009
4. Thanksgiving 1998
5. Thanksgiving 2017
6. Thanksgiving 2000
7. Thanksgiving 2013
8. Thanksgiving 1990
9. Thanksgiving 1995
10. Thanksgiving 2001
Honorable Mention: Thanksgiving 2014
That shouldve been a joke from either Zee or Sam :)
You forgot Thanksgiving 2007
@@theninjadog4676 We try our best not to talk about Thanksgiving 2007.
Lmao
After rewatching BSG recently, it's amazing how close the board game is to the show. It's just so good.
I've always loved Dice Tower and especially the top 10's (gotta love the long form camaraderie, but man over the years you guys just keep getting better. An absolute joy to watch this.
I definitely had the most laughs while watching this too 10, thanks guys! Great video!
Good video guys. Love the shenanigans. The hands were hilarious. This one had me laughing. Good topic as well. :)
Another excellent vid you guys... THANK YOU!
The year is 2022. It’s time, The Dice Tower-bring back the creepy little hands.
Good to see you already found a use for those small hands you opened up the other day - classic!
This was an awesome list, reminded me a lot of the "good ol' days" of Top 10s. Good games, a mix of things I know well and things I don't, a lot of reasons why things are on a list rather than just "it's popular and good and we've said it before", and even some nice off-topic goofing. :D
The best thing about Hero Quest is that it's on this list!
This is a great comment.
Nice
one of my favorite things is being able to easily get a group genuinely excited to play a game that is also easy to teach. That's why Love Letter will always be a favorite game to bring to the table.
You guys are in a great mood today! "Give me that dirty hat!" Best Top 10 in a long time
I LOVE this subject! Great choice!
This list feels like a very healthy therapy session for you guys.
A "tom" is a male turkey. Coincidence? I think not.
ahahahahaha
Lol!
Are you saying you like Tom less now than you used to?😉
Forbidden Stars not getting expansions is a crime against humanity
Sam's comment on Heroscape could be a list in itself. Games that don't come to the table due to setup and teardown.
41:00 You might think Tom got cut off there but Ticket to Ride is actually the twelve games he'd like to play more. 😂
+1 for Zee's singing
I usually don't like the negative top tens, but this one was a lot of fun. I want to see more of the creepy baby hands!
Wow, Cash and Guns NEVER gets old at our party game nights.
Hot dang! I bought Fairy Tales because of Sam's recommendation! Glad you still enjoy it but it's crazy that you've cooled on it.
Loved this segment even though there were a few I felt differently about, but more than not, AGREE!!! I could definitely create my own list of this
haha love you guys!!!!!
I did the same thing, Tom. Would constantly make cool decks and never get to play with them. It's just so fun making decks. Building dnd characters gives me that same feeling too.
I pre-ordered Machi Koro back then...Played it twice. Couldn’t stand it afterwards. Dropped like a rock.
Port Royal and Revolution! on the other hand I do like a lot.
Thank you Zee I HATE machi Koro due to the reasons that Tom said. The whole falling behind and staying behind.
those hands should be included in every top10
This was a good one XD
Hooray the #1 dice are back!!!
Tom, Heroquest was my first boardgame I enjoyed as a child. I played it with my father and we had a great time. Unluckily, it was destroyed in a flood. I had forgotten about it until about 5 years ago when I got back into boardgames again and now have a good collection. I would be willing to buy it from you since it costs an arm to buy online.
That's what it's always like for me too when I play Descent, Tom. It's always like " BUM BUM BAHM BAH BAH BAH!"
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - Arthur Carlson
Not sure of the joke but turkeys do fly
WKRP in Cincinnati. Love it!
Tyrone William. Turkeys raised on an industrial scale for food are to fat to either breed or fly. Wild turkeys can fly but it can be quite ungainly.
teflonravager lol you are just flat out wrong about wild turkeys. I have turkey hunted for many years and let me tell you, they can outrun pretty much anything in the woods. They are also excellent at flying.
teflonravager not sure about industrial scale turkeys, I have no experience there. I have seen with my own eyes how fast wild turkeys can both run and fly..they also have incredible vision.
Zee is right about the Battlestar property not being hot because of the shows absence
Mini hands down, my top Turkey game was Shadowrun Crossfire for the reasons Zee mentioned. It went from a 9 rating to being sold.
That's how I feel about Dragonfire, despite Zee's assurance it is better (it's not).
Yaaay, the dice are back!
I think the Descent journeys in the Dark is still a great game, because there is no other game like it specifically. The story, the xp system, the over lord cards, and the monster to hero racio. It takes less time to play them Does and Sorcery, less learning curve, and it isn't overly complex.
YES THE DICE ARE BACK!!!
The biggest drop for me is Splendor. It's a good game, but my group wanted to play it so much that I got burned out. I ended up donating my copy.
Splendor was one of the games in my collection that I just got recently, just before they announced Century Spice Road. To be honest, it's on my to-buy list and I haven't played it yet, but they say it is the Splendor successor :D
Machi Koro was maybe the 3rd or 4th modern board game I ever bought when I was first getting into the hobby so it will always hold a special place in my heart but man has that game fallen off for me. Used to play it religiously with my girlfriend all the time and can't remember the last time I played it.
Cash n' Guns is always a hit at parties. I've never had it fail.
Wrath of Ashardalon, Love Letter, Munchkin, Tiny Epic Galaxies, 7 Wonders, Catan, Marvel Legendary, and Boss Monster.
Ron Frazier Oh god, Boss Monster! I played it a few times over the course of a couple, bought everything for it, then I realized a few months ago, "I kind of actively hate this game."
Marvel Legendary is still amazing though. It's been my number one for years and it's not moving anytime soon.
I’d be curious how many players Zee has been playing Deep Sea with. I’ve played a few games that have gone the way he’s said, but they tend to be with players the first time they encounter it. I’ve enjoyed it, though I think it’s like Love Letter where it’s a tiny game that plays best with a local meta.
Those hands are hilarious. Hopefully they make it in a live play.
Always thought Mysterium was Dixit: Murder in Hong Kong ;)
My top 10 Turkeys cuz why not:
10. Castles of Burgundy
9. The Resistance
8. Istanbul
7. Splendor
6. Ticket to Ride
5. Divinare
4. Hanabi
3. Coup
2. Carcassone
1. Mysterium
Ben my top 10 is extremely similar
I've not played Divinare, and Carcassone is pretty meh. However, I adore every other game on your list.
I disagree with half of your list, but I am giving you a thumbs up because Courage the Cowardly Dog. He deserves it.
BSG WILL LIVE ON FOREVER, THANK GOD FOR SAM! Great list lads.
I do love the game but it is gone now, you cannot find it at all on the FFG site (the probably dropped the license) and it is hard to find online. I believe new angles is suppose to be its replacement and while similar it is a different game, I enjoy both.
I haven't played Deep Sea Adventure too many times yet, but I think there's a fair amount that you can game while playing. Understanding how much you can push your luck is a bit more obtuse than it appears at first glance. In my experience, it offers a fair amount to consider that depends significantly on the number of players and their spread across the board, and allows you to make aggressive plays that include intentionally sinking other players by slowing yourself down to drain the oxygen faster. Maybe I'm giving it too much credit but it gives me roughly what I want out of a pocket-sized family-tier game, similar to Welcome to the Dungeon but it can accommodate more people.
Lol Sam, "I hate every single one of these games."
Corey Konieczka seems to be king of designing turkeys according to this list
Battlestar Galactica?! Tom. Tom. You're obviously a cylon.
Justin Swaine toaster head lookin boy
Tom is right about BSG. Never understood the hype anyway.
For me Smash Up is a Turkey in this usage. I enjoyed it the first few games I played, bought an expansion and almost immediately lost interest in bringing it out again. I think I have gotten over the gag of Zombie Jedi or Robot Ninjas, etc.
Ultimately it is a good game, and I would not be upset to play it. I just am not looking to. I don't particularly get a craving to play it like I do others.
Some of my turkey games are Mice and Mystics, Time Stories, Pandemic, Cosmic Encounter, and Betrayal at House on the Hill.
I agree about Time Stories. It's really starting to feel stale. Estrella Drive was bad.
Nick Rossell It started to feel stale for me after The Marcy Case.
I just bought mice and mystics. I like it so far.
I find Time Stories to be so over hyped. The only good adventure was the one from the starter box. Everything else has been tedious in the extreme. "Oh you didn't see that random number hidden in the card art six rooms ago? Too bad you will never get through this random maze because we have no real good reason."
52:23 Zee approves the new word "conglomeratively", I will add it to the book of Samisms =)
I agree with his reservations though, CCGs and all other games with 'outside' setup like Heroclix and Dice Masters I can't play much anymore. I've drifted from RPGs for the same reason, even though the setup is a different nature
This was a fun watch
Love these top 10s! Though, I must say that I think it's hilarious that the board game table is totally decked out with cup holders, and yet there is a cup sitting on top between two cup holders...
Sam says that it's too hard for new players to play as the Ghost in Mysterium, but I have yet to see that as the case with people I've taught. Heck, my 8 year old son plays as the ghost all of the time and though we've never won as such, we've actually gotten close. He does just about as well as anyone else 3 to 4 times his age. It just comes down to taste and those you play with, as is true with any game.
Patrick Doss my kids do very Well as the ghost. They do better as the ghost than as the psychic.
If you've never won "as such" then I think he probably isn't playing the ghost all that effectively. Not to say you're not having fun, but it's pretty clear he isn't doing about as well as an adult, where your win ratio would be much better.
It also sounds like he's not a new player... he's played as the ghost multiple times. So I think Sam's point still stands.
Mike Taylor the adults are just as bad lol.
I think it depends how far away they were from winning. If they just didn't get the very last clue, that can happen a lot . If half the players never got beyond the second set of clues, that would be problematic.
I agree, I have no idea what am is getting on about here. Deception is more stressful since it's easier for the ghost to completely mess up the round (since it's a deduction game), and I've found that a ghost will often sit down and think to put their piece in something that feels relevant as opposed to thinking "well if it were X I would do something else". Mysterium is more straightforward and less stressful, and yet I'd say the ghost has more influence over the game in that one.
Additionally I don't see Mysterium being "killed" by Deception. Aside from the silent protagonist role, both games use very different parts of the brain. Mysterium for me works with that Dixit style thinking of "how is this artwork relevant?" as opposed to just some direct deduction. Deception's deduction is usually very easy by comparison unless the ghost is terrible- games always end either with a quick victory or a drawn out loss for the detectives.
Above and Below is a light enginebuilder/set-collection game with some stories. Near and Far is "better" if you want it to be more complex AND you play the campaign, and you actually get to do any of the story points before the other players rush over to them. If you don't, the story book might as well not exist for your purposes, as you are left with the area control, recipe filling (artifacts) and a light point salad.
I still don't get the appeal of Laukat's games. They're all sort of barely there and are basically the same design.
This should be titled “Top 10 Games We Are No Longer Enamored With”, lol
I was frowning at Tom for the BSG remarks!!!
I already have Castle Panic and Star Trek Panic is on my to-buy list. I haven't played it yet, but it IS a different experience. I've seen a couple of playthroughs and it doesn't seem that long. It has good ratings. :D
Agree 100% with you Tom on Game of Thrones for the same reasons.
You're not wrong about Deep Sea Adventure... but I still like it! Someday I will make it back to the ship. Someday.
Name another game like Battlestar Galactica that have the traitor changing later. I would like to play that, please. I'm asking with a positive mind ^_^ Thanks for another amazing and fun list. Love you guys!!
Zee likes fried Donkey. Very spicy episode too - lots of fun to watch.
Great to see a remake of this list I've recently traded off a few games for the same reason. Would love a "Best games with 5 players" list. Agree with many of these and mine would be:
Libertalia - desperately needs an expansion at this point, but it's a Paolo Mori game, so we'll never see one
Ethnos - Pretty much the same as above, and another designed by Mr. Mori
Mice & Mystics - Great story, but just too simple for my tastes(probably why I'll avoid Stuffed Fables)
Celestia - Played this so much, and only bring it out for gateway gamers
The Resistance/Avalon- Same as above, just played it to death and Deception pretty much replaced it.
King of Tokyo/New York - I've grown past this complexity/style of game. It's pretty boring to play nowadays
Shadows Over Camelot - Another that falls into that "too simple for my tastes" not enough decisions in this one
Sheriff of Nottingham - I have no desire to play it, unless its with brand new gamers
Incan Gold - Played to the point of hating it. I don't think I'll ever play this one again
That's how I want my games to go, after played them so much I get bored. Not like Smash Up that got played once for me
YES! I was so keen on Machi Koro at first. But boy did that help burn me out on dice games. I would do all the "right" things strategically only to get burned by the dice. I hate that.
Could you guys do a top ten dungeon crawlers in the future?
Zee is hilarious!
Top ten dead horse Boardgame topics would make for an awesome list!
I'm not sure who zee is playing deep sea adventure with but it is a staple here, and no everyone doesn't usually die. Rarely do you get everyone back but that is the tension.
I’m with Zee and his take on turkey(the food). 100%!!!!
OMG - Dungeon Crawler of old is Warhammer Quest.
Deep Sea Adventure is so good. There’s a lot of tactics based on what the other players do, and it’s never the same. Sort of like poker.
Tom, you need to do the Tzolk'in re-try just in case before you do the games you like better list you mentioned at the end.
Star Trek Panic is my favorite of the Panic games. I still own it. :-)
I don't have any "panic" games, and I keep eyeing this one.
number 10... Heroscape !!! *grabs pitchfork and torch*
My bucket list now includes playing Deep Sea Adventure with Zee
Sushi GO! is GREAT. I can play it with my parents, I can play with my grandparents (my grandma will mercylessly destroy anyone in the family), I can basically play with anyone and it's still a fun game. Few games are that easy to introduce while still having some depth to them.
Funny, Alien Frontiers is one of my favorite games and I have Kingsburg too.
Interresting...many of these are games that the guys have talked about for years and I would have them pegged as "to get" if i ran across them. Now I don't have to!
Keep in mind the Dice Tower is very much a "cult of the new". They play literally dozens of new games every week. Its their job. Its easy to say game X isn't so great anymore when you have 15 shiny brand new games with the same mechanic sitting on your desk for free. They games they have mentioned are all still really strong games to the casual collector who doesn't have a top 100 games of all time. Hell we still play Dominion and love it.
bkLEGION3000 agreed. That's why Tom's recommendations mean very little to me now. I think he enjoys opening new games and the experiancine of playing them. That being said, his opinions can drasticlly change and disliking a game quickly because something new came out really hurts his credibility. He may have a huge budget for TOYS, but mine is limited and I want good recommendations for GAMES.
Space Cadets absolutely lasts 2 hours. That's probably my main problem. You play for 30 seconds, then take 5 minutes to see what happened.
Wow, was surprised by Sam's #1. My wife and I love Mysterium. The best bit for us is that "what on earth were you thinking" moment when a clue is completely misinterpreted. The way we get around some of the issues is that the ghost can speak for some limited things, such as explaining rules.
My main issue with it is that the end game for 2 players is a bit weird. I'd like to get some friends round to play it properly
I can't disagree MORE with Sam's Mysterium pick. For me deception falls flat and the traitor mechanic forces someone to basically NOT play the most fun part of the game, which is guessing the murder. I HATE being the traitor because if you say anything obvious it gives it away and you can't help solve the crime. It's like, lets all play a game except Dave, he gets to sit there and watch everybody else have fun. Also the game seems VERY easy if you have half competent players who are paying attention. (I don't think the detectives have EVER lost in all our sessions.) For me Mysterium lets everybody play the fun guessing game and everyone is working towards their own specific goal. (ps. we don't play the tacked on betting minigame). And if you dress it up a little bit with some low lighting, table knocking or a simple black hoodie for the ghost it really adds a lot.
It would be so dull if we all liked the same things and everyone is entitled to opinions . This is a real mixed bag of a top ten. I love mysterium and have never had any trouble with people playing the ghost role on their first viewing of the game and if I take the role I guarantee that as soon as it is over people want to play it again and they ALL want to have a go at being the ghost. Love it
Heroquest is the perfect game for a super light dungeon crawler. The fact that the rules are so simple make it a great game for boardgame novices. It is not deep or complex and that is a benefit for this game.
So true about Machi Koro's expansions. I bought the night version, with expansions, and I had to take them from the game
StarCraft: The Board Game is my favorite board game out of my entire collection (and the reason I first heard of FFG, for whom I now freelance). The only problem is finding people who want to play the game.
My kids wanted to play Machi Koro last night!
I havent played Nexus Ops, but would Cry Havoc be a good replacement game?
Is there a top 10 worker placement games? I have recently found myself enamored with them, and I'm always looking for a new options to add to my collection.
yes
Top 10 eurogames is close.
no need for close when you have exact
Doma Agape couldn't disagree more
Guy asks for a pineapple, and you hand him an apple. Give the man a pineapple.
Love Letter is a simple game that is boring if your really into games, BUT, it's easy enough for my Father in law, with moderate altzhimers to understand and play. Its because the instructions on what to do is on the cards. That makes it indispensable in my opinion.
It is hard to find games to play with memory impaired adults. Things like candy land are too juvenile. Things like uno have far to many cards. Jenga requires too much manual dexterity. Love Letter has 16 cards. It's perfect.
Top 10 Illustrators !
Spot on with Game of Thrones. Its diplomacy.
Best DT video ever!
LOVE BSG, LOVE the board game. That is all....
At 0:52 I decided on thumbs-up to this video :)
Great list guys. My personal top 10
1. Bang! The Dice Game
2. Splendor
3. Betrayal at House on The Hill
4. Pandemic
5. Legendary: Marvel
6. Dominion
7. Imperial Settlers
8. Citadels
9. Codenames
10. Jamaica/Shadows Over Camelot
With codenames is it due to its lack of replayability?
And splendor, why? Everybody raves abt it
Just like Zee, i was hoping for an updated BSG game. Sadly, Unfathomable is still the same gigantic mess.
Using The Dice Tower's definition of "turkey," mine would be any game that requires a deck (or spellbook) to be constructed beforehand, like Mage Wars and living card games in general. I guess I'm still burned out on that necessity from my old CCG days.
i think this list title might be mis-named - a turkey is something that was a bomb or a failure - unsuccessful. If it is a game you used to like and now just won't play as much - i don't think that qualifies as a turkey
This is what I was thinking.
Agreed a Turkey is a flop. Waterworld with Kevein Costner was a Turkey.
They used a name to describe the top10 a good name i think. Better than "top 10 games that we used to enjoy a lot but nowadays not that much" so "top 10 turkeys" is clearly way better
Fading, shallow, diminishing, off the boil. You present it like a mouthful is the only other option.
Agreed. What I expected when I saw the title, and what they actually changed the definition of Turkey to mean for their lists, was very very different. Top 10 Games That Faded. Top 10 Games I Broke Up With. Ha