MB-339 MSFS Review - Aermacchi MB 339 by Indiafoxtecho Military Trainer Jet addon for msfs 2020
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A NOTAM review of the Aermacchi MB-339 by Indiafoxtecho for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 (msfs 2020).
The MB-339 is a light Attack Military Trainer and the first of its kind to be released for msfs 2020. Lets take a look at what we get for 20 EUR.
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0:00 - Introduction
As a number of you have asked I'm running the following build which was put together mid this year in anticipation of the 3000 release.
AMD 3900x CPU
AM4 PCIe 4 Motherboard
64GB DDR4 3200 RAM
Gen 4x4 Nvme
Nvidia 2080 ti - เกม
Hi there - This is Dino from IndiaFoxtEcho. Thanks for the appreciation and for your reviews - both for the MB.339 and the Long-EZ. We appreciate your honest comments, and we will try to improve our skills in the next projects. We are glad you appreciated our work on the MB-339...but we are even more glad to receive constructive criticism on the Long-EZ. Negative feedback is essential to improve in everything you do.
Hi Dino. Thanks for the response. I appreciate your forthrightness in your blog and facebook about your products. Its refreshing to deal with a developer who isn't so easily offended and cares for his customers concerns.
As a developer myself I can empathize with the difficulty in bringing such a product to life. On the other hand I feel the need to be honest with my viewers. You have one of the best products for MSFS right now IMO.
Congratulations on what I can only assume is a passion project that you should take great pride in. I'm always open to allowing developers access to the community through my channel if they see fit. I wish you only the best for the future of your products and if there is anything we can contribute with, feel free to let us know. - A new fan - NOTAM
Now THAT is a proper response to constructive criticism. "Other devs" should take note.
Dino, this comment furthers my sentiments that I'll never hesitate to buy an addon from your company!
@dino7474 as an Italian and a fan of this amazing Jet, thank you so much for your work! even if it isn't a study level aircraft i'm enjoying it so much :) great model! the interiors are stunning and so immersive. i hope you are going to update it in the future. (especially the sounds when you close the cannopy and tires noise when you take off/land)
@@WiltedSnausage207 LOL....whomever would you be referring to?...a COMMERCIAL dev who responds to constructive criticism and fair & objective reviews by attacking and demeaning the reviewer?....I'm calling BS! (or are those initials a little to similar to the dev you're referring to?) Hehe...I crack myself up!
8:40 because this is a DCS export, they have had the MB339 free on DCS for the longest time and they're building a full module for DCS too. So this model is 90% DCS and has been worked on for years and years! :)
I stumbled across your channel last night after having several drinks and I was throroughly interested in what you had to say about the aircraft you have reviewed. Definitely one of my new sources for finding out about new MSFS addon aircraft!
Thanks for the kind words Donovan. You are doing it right... my content is best consumed after consumption of alcohol :) (It may have been the method some of the reviews were made)
Many thanks for your review and observations, much appreciated to improve our model!
Assuming you're a developer, please add in-game checklists, it's the best feature in the base sim for newcomers to simulation and they make it instantly easier to easier and fly.
You don't need to add every checklists but at least the basic ones like cold startup, take-off, landing, shutdown, etc.
For me a lack of in-game checklists is an instant - 1 star when rating a payware add-on plane.
@@laulen3448 thanks, I have added your request to our tracking
@@GiuseppeDidiano Thanks for the wonderful model. Clearly, a passion project that you should have a lot of pride in.
Just got my 339. Mine banks really badly. Starts as soon as the wheels are off the ground and continues through the entire flight. Banks both left and right.
@@garys.674 make sure to have the flight model set on modern
Thank you for another great review!
I really appreciate your honest and unbiased opinion in these reviews. I enjoy that you are being upfront with the developers in a decent and intelligent way. It's absolutely refreshing.
I think your scrutiny and style of reviewing these MSFS2020 add-ons is absolutely what the community needs. I have the feeling that lately some developers are too quickly releasing port-overs or half finished products for MSFS2020 to be part of the hype. In reality though it's degrading the potential of this sim.
I am glad this release from Indiafoxtecho is an exception and hopefully more will follow.
Thanks for the kind words Martijn. The all positive rainbows and unicorns marketing style reviews I always watched bothered me after purchasing so much garbage. Wasn't sure how well this type of review would be received as the community can be not very forgiving to say the least. I have been pleasantly surprised by the reception. Thanks for the comment, it means a lot and allows me to continue steadfast.
I really appreciate these reviews, please do not stop. At the moment youre my go-to guy before making purchases on any and all new additions to MSFS 2020. Very pleased with my new MB-339 :)
Awesome, thanks L. Shellfish. Glad you are enjoying the 339.
What an excellent review. This guy needs to have a lot more subscribers. Not to be negative but we have a number of flights and channels here with hundreds of thousands of subscribers and the reviews on those channels are just really not very good. This guy is great
Thanks Brian. Appreciate the kind words.
Totally agreed👍🏻
+1
You make absolutely amazing review videos and I'm super appreciative. The honesty of the reviews and production quality of your videos in general is amazing, thank you for taking the (must be a lot of) time in making these they are really useful for all of us!
Not had a chance to dive into your tutorials yet but I'm looking forward to that too!
Thanks a lot Josh, appreciate the kind words.
You're one of best aircraft reviewers on TH-cam, keep up the great job, many thanks.
You're too kind, thanks Active.
Just bought this aircraft and am planning a flight in the Alps... Very excited :D thanks for a great review!
This LOOKS amazing. I really hope any future military aircraft have at LEAST this level of detail for MFS. I have DCS for combat, but there's something particularly fun about flying something like this or a fighter around a 1:1 scale earth.
I’m loving these reviews dude, I don’t think I have come across someone who does them in this much depth. Keep up the good work, keen to see the A2A aircraft and PMDG aircraft possibly being reviewed by you in the hopefully not too distant future. 👍🏼
Thanks Matt, appreciate the kind words. I'm scared to take on a study level review, lol. Thats going to be a lot of work. That being said, fun. Probably will take a while to put one together after its release but will attempt it.
Can’t wait to see this as an official model for DCS and not just a mod.
to give credit where it's due, the mod is awesome. Definitely high quality for a free mod, better than the A4 mod imho
I agree with frank... this and the A4 are the two best DCS community mods. This one is very nice.
Definitely getting this. I wasn't that excited about fighter jet models coming out but seeing how well made this is and how much fun it looks to fly, I think I may end up getting the bug for this kind of thing.
I have to agree. I never got all that excited about fighter jet models for msfs since I prefer airliners. This is an exception! With the silky smooth graphics that the XBox series X offers, this will be a treat to fly!
Subscribed and enjoyed this review. I can tell you’re pickier than I and I thought I was picky which means I can trust the review to give me the information I need.
Looks like this is a purchase from me.
Posted a GPS/ILS Video for my Subscribers or anyone talking part in the comments here: th-cam.com/video/f9Jexl_i2Mc/w-d-xo.html
I've been thouroughly enjoying your reviews. You seem to hit the nail on the head and the videos are not too long yet give all the info required. I hope you can keep up with the reviews and hope it won't be a financial burden having to purchase all these modules. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Zane, appreciate the kind words. As long as I'm enjoying it I'll keep them up. So far so good. I have three kids and I find if I rotate their eating schedules each day where I only feed 2 of the 3 I can keep this going for a while. :) Appreciate the thought of that. Most don't realize the time and money to do this on a non-monetized channel.
Great review as always, really impressed by the look of this aircraft, I didn't think I would ever bother with any fast jets outside of DCS but having watched your video I think you may have convinced me otherwise, this looks like a lot of fun for doing some low-level flying taking advantage of the MSFS scenery! If they eventually release a study level version that would be even better.
What an *awesome* developer.
I must say I find it funny that developers spend so much time on the exterior of the aircraft when all I see when I fly is the interior.
Beautiful model! Respect, this is the first bird where the model properly impressed you. I will say this, if he can update his LongEZ to be at this level I will buy it to show my support for this level of pride in his work.
It really is gorgeous. Hope he can update the Long EZ also. When I see models as nice as the MB-339 you can clearly tell its a passion project.
Thank you for the great review , I have flown this in DCs and love it and will purchase it when it is released on DCS fully, also using it in x-plane so no brainer purchasing for msfs. Thank you also for your excellent videos on Navigraph, Keep up the great work.
After watching this review I purchased this addon and I can say it is a pleasure, thank you for your review.
Awesome glad you are enjoying Victor.
This one is definitely on my list, as I am a longtime fan of Dino's aircraft (going all the way back to his fabulous freeware T-45 Goshawk for FSX).
I don't think you'll be disappointed. It's not perfect, but it's darn close. Ton of fun.
When you looked round in 1st person and you could see the copilot, super immersive.
Would love to see these guys do one on the BAE Hawk (trainer and Red Arrow)
Amazing review. It's so nice to see that flight sim is elevating but so is the culture. I think your review is evidence of that. Very insightful job well done.
Thanks Johnnie, appreciate the kind words.
Me and her enjoy visiting Valley at Anglesey UK, and love watching our RAF pilots training on the T1 and T2 trainer jets! It's so great to see how advanced these people are?
Now you are just teasing me. My dad had a chance to visit Hawaii where they use an island there for live weapons testing. Have always wanted to make the journey both there and the Mach loop.
I bought this jet too today. GREAT, really enjoyed flying around Stuttgart (which is an open source add-on) and then landing on Zürich Switzerland. It is not a particular fast jet, more a kind of a Alpha Jet. But it has nice flight characteristics. Also the cockpit and the sounds are wonderful (in contrast to the Eurofighter which is not worth its money).
Subscribed. I haven't got msfs 2020 yet and was waiting for some Jets. I'm not fussed if the system level of detail aren't up to DCS standard however this is somthing that will eventually be implemented in the next few years of so. I love how beautiful the graphics are on the aircraft and of course the sim.
This is awesome, I like nothing more than seeing "not-that-famous" models coming to FlightSim2020.
Me too. As much as any aviation enthusiast likes the standard F-XX's and such, I love getting into the weeds with lesser known aircraft. I love fast attack, single turbo props personally like the Super Tucano and the likes.
You and I view things similarly when it comes to MSFS... thanks for the reviews. Subscribed.
Thanks Jeremy... great minds :)
Just woke up and saw your review! Ah I am so glad the cockpit looks up to MSFS2020 standard! Off to purchase this now and I have a feeling I am going to fly this plane just as much as I did the L-39 by Lotus Simulation on the other sims! It looks the part and flight model seems to be good too!
Got three weeks off so time to familiarise myself with this beauty.
Nice... I love the L-39 in DCS, although I love most small/light aircraft like this... All I need now is 3 weeks off :(... enjoy!
We can easily see, looking at your last few reviews...that there are Devs who will give us a V 1.0 that we can fly (with round gauges and everything)...for $9 less...AND....when a reviewer is honestly commenting about his other release, gets a reply back from the Dev that is world's apart from another Dev's tone and demeanor.
Way to go @Dino7474!!!...you are a legend in this community, and hopefully all the new simmers in the MSFS world will see how its done right, vs how some choose to inexplicably defend deplorable behavior from another commercial developer. Those seeing this that know who you are, take note. :)
Very informative review. I'd flown their DCS mod, and was very curious about this version as a light jet trainer, but was uncertain because I didn't really know what having the default systems modeling meant in practice.
It sounds like this is exactly what I was hoping for, and will be picking it up.
A very cool addition to the virtual hanger :)
Thanks Harry. I love study level models, and although this isn't that, I've had a lot of fun in it and its' modeled just enough to enjoy it thoroughly. I have no doubt you'll like it.
Wow! Great review. Great clear audio and no annoying music anywhere. The aircraft looks great. I will be buying it soon. This review will sell a lot of copies. Liked. Already subbed. Cheers,
Thanks Jelb, I'm working on a 1 minute intro clip with dance music and subcribe/like graphics... look forward to it soon... just kidding, thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed.
@@NOTAM1 Ha ha. I don't get these TH-camrs that, before they get to the point of the video, make viewers sit through their begging lol. If they create good content people will like and some will subscribe. They seem to think we're there to make them $. As for you, you deserve more subscribers but, since you have so few right now, you must have started your channel fairly recently.
I look forward to more content from you. And, oh yeah, I bought the jet moments after viewing your review.
@@JELB1960 Thanks Jelb appreciate it. Trying my best to just create good objective content. Started the channel for fun during a lockdown a month ago and seems like its received well. Appreciate all your guys kinds words. Just a fun little side hobby as I have a habit of buying all the addons good or bad and figured I'd might as well share my thoughts on them.
I agree with on everything you've said. The one minor thing that bothers me after flying it so far is the flight model itself. It is the way it feels when flying and where it bobbles with control input and turbulence. It is almost as if the default CG point is slightly aft from where it should be. I can see this in your external views as well. It doesn't look natural when encountering turbulence in external view. It looks as if the CG center is too far aft instead of being forward between the center of the wing and leading edge. This might explain the heavy elevator control required in rotation and on landing. To be fair, I've only just begun flying it tonight. BTW, very nice review.
Thanks Roger. I agree, the flight model (especially stall) isn't accurate. I struggled with mentioning this in the review, but felt that because the developer was up front with the lack of the accuracy of this because he can't run external flight model code yet it wasn't fair to judge him on it. As long as people purchasing are aware of this up front and told this by the dev, its tough to judge him on it. Looking forward to MS/Asabo allowing devs to run external code. Then we will start to see study level stuff. All and all during flight it feels plausible most of the time and isn't so bad that it ruins the experience IMO until of course pushed to its limits. It then obviously breaks down, but arguably all the models (default and otherwise) do the same. I don't know if it was the right decision, but I made the decision to not judge its flight model outside the scope of a light/fun version.
The first few seconds of jaw dropping graphics means I couldn't distinguish it from reality...
Thanks for the thorough review. I can't wait to see what this aircraft will look like in VR
Agreed, Waiting for the HP G2, can't wait.
@@NOTAM1 What kind of input control do you use to control the camera position inside the cockpit? Your camera control seams to be quite natural!
@@mrbelok Been using trackIR for more years than I can remember. Works very well.
Great job reviewing the aircraft! I don't have more than an hour flying it yet, but thought I'd add two additional observations.
1. I wish there was an option to clean the canopy. It looks like a real life dirty canopy, but having a clean canopy and windscreen is important to ensure good visibility. A clean windscreen/canopy is a pre-flight must for me.
2. I've noticed that the green landing gear indicator lights flicker sometimes. You can see it in you video at time 17:39.
I loved Dino's T-45 in FSX and I'm loving his MB-339 in MSFS so far!
Thanks Matthew, great comments and information for the viewers, Appreciate it.
If you saw dino's Long EZ, this is a clean canopy, lol. joking aside I agree. I prefer just having those micro scratches that occur in Canopies over time, but without dirt or smudges like you.
@@NOTAM1 I can't remember which sim/aircraft it was, but you could click on the canopy and it would cycle through three or four levels of dirt & scratches. From very worn to perfectly clear. (edit - maybe a PA-22 for FSX?) Not sure if MSFS can do that. Even a manual file change would be OK, like in DCS for the F-86 canopy. I don't mean to be overly critical of Dino's MB-339. IMHO, some of the default MSFS aircraft have overly dirty/scratched windows too.
@@matthewmcgee I don't think you are being over critical at all. I agree completely. I don't think its realistic for a pilot to fyling around with a canopy that dirty. You'd have some scratches, but not dirt. It would be the same as a giant hand print in the front windscreen of your car that you never clean. Few people would not clean it.
Not my kind of aircraft, but my kind of review. Really good thorough dive into what to expect, Dave. If I had any interest in this sort of plane, I'd be buying it without hesitation.
Really great video, thanks for showing the liveries, when I fly a military jet I like having a camouflage livery as well in stead of an airshow version. It would be nice to randomly escort players and navigate vor to vor etc
i can’t wait to watch this... my evening viewing is set!
Finally military aircraft make it into MSFS. I come from DCS so most aircraft in MSFS feel underpowered, which is understandable, but still hard to get over. As someone else stated, this aircraft is also in DCS as a mod (and a bloody good one at that), and just to give some measure - it is underpowered next to quite a few planes in DCS as well, so that's how much of a power/performance gap there is between most planes in DCS and MSFS. Also, since the entire world is encapsulated within MSFS, I'd LOVE to see a proper SR-71 mod coming around.
Wow! what a great review as always, it makes me go into de market place and buy it right away!!
Thanks Ricardo. Its a fun little jet.
Beautiful video!!
Just a couple of info.
It was developed from MB326, with a new cockpit. MB 326 was a great trainer, 339 was, for that time, a bit.... old.
PAN adopted 339 in 1982 (I was very anxious at that time to see the new PAN plane). Indeed, it was less spectacular in spite to old G91 PAN, and for most of us was quite a delusion. I apologize for my scholastic english....
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Thanks OrMa, and thanks for the information, I'm guessing you trained in them?
@@NOTAM1 not exactly! I'm just a glider pilot, but I lived in Galatina Airport 61'stormo during my childhood
@@ORMA1 Hey... no one is JUST a glider pilot.... :) I learned in gliders.
@@NOTAM1 great!!! JUST in spite of MB339!
Not my type of plane but it sets the bar for future planes in term of quality and price. keep the videos coming I really enjoy your channel!!
Thanks Martin. You're right, this is the bar IMO.
Thanks for another good review. Will need to seriously consider this one.
This is a great review. Thanks!
this is a great review - and now i think I am going to have to buy it!
I was pleasantly surprised. TBH, I probably tried too hard to find issue with this aircraft as I'm not used to them being so well done. Its not perfect, but you can tell its a passion project for the developer and within the context of a light or basic version of this model has been executed above my expectations. One of the few purchases I've had so far without regret.
amazing review as always! thank you for your great work :)
Thanks Alex, my pleasure.
My favourite plane in FS2020 at the moment. IF it had a heading and altitude hold autopilot I'd take it around to world but it's still perfect for exploring the world. I've come from DCS and flown the free version there. I've been teaching myself VOR and other radio navigation with this aircraft too, since TACAN isn't really a thing at most of the airfields I use. Speedbrake is a bit weird ifyou don't have an axis though, jumps between 100% and 50% on a single toggle press. Overall though, absolutely fantastic.
after selecting autopilot mode, you need to engage autopilot (Z on keyboard works). I agree, its a lot of fun.
@@NOTAM1 awesome, that's a neat little cheat. Just holding it over the sea gets dull after a while. Will go across the Atlantic now (via Iceland and Greenland).
I remember Dino Cattaneo's Tomcat and Goshawk for FSX. I gonna tell you - There is no Addon Maker who is more of a Perfectionist! His Freeware is better than most Payware! And his Payware is all Next Level! Expect BIG THINGS from Dino. As soon as he is biting his Teeth into Something, he is relentless! Also I want to mention that Dino does most of it allone! He has some guys who help with Texturing and Aerodynamics, but the 3D Models he normally purcases for his own Money and tweaks it afterwards. He also does the Cockpit Model mostly with programming of the Instruments too. He had a Job in a Company, designing Parts for the real Eurofighter. I do not know if he still works there or if he has completely switched to making Flightsim Addons, but be sure his Time is limitted between his Family and doing This. Even despite that, he makes Addons that could put Aerosoft, MilViz, Razbam to Shame!
that's the way to go complexity and realism pls more of it! not like those default plane bull.
"Dancing reflections" should be removed from MSFS2020 with DirectX12 update...as per Asobo information.
Good to hear, it doesn't show as much in the video as I suspected, but in sim it looks insane. Almost like snow on a television.
@@NOTAM1 Try putting your shadowsize at 4096 or even 8192. (in UserCfg.opt, if ingame menu setting doesn`t go that far)
@@seculi7757 I didn't know I could do that... Amazing. will try this when I get home.
Once I've taken off and have retracted the gear, it won't come back down no matter what i do, any help?? issue only happens with this aircraft
I've never successfully gotten the flight director to work.. it doesn't seem to hold my altitude or heading at all.
Good review! You convinced me to buy it.
Thanks Megadyptes. Hope you enjoy.
I want the MB 326, Royal Australian Air Force. I used to live under the flight path of these in Western Australia in the 70s. My dad worked on the air-force base.
Awesome. I slept under the flight path for a few weeks at Canadian Forces Base Borden when I was much younger of their main runway. I love transport aircraft and the C-130 Hercules especially. I was enamored when I found out that about a dozen of them were practicing touch and goes one day and could watch them buzz us every minute or so. That was about until midnight when I realized they weren't stopping and they'd practically shake you out of bed, lol.
Nice review again!
We really need the ability to load in new waypoints and at very least to change / step through them, otherwise its use is very limited for RNAV navigation.
Overall its a good start but it needs longer to bake imho, even for not a study implementation. This one addition would bring alot to flying this aircraft.
Today I tried to "stall" the aircraft ... no chance. It remains in the air, absolutely stable, too stable, which is unrealistic. Did anyone here have a similar impression? And if yes, will there be an update to fix it?
Very good review 👍thank you
Thanks 4Sec.
Love the review and you've a great channel here! Apologies if you've answered this one elsewhere, but what PC spec are you running for FS2020; it looks great on this review?
Thanks TH, running the following:
AMD 3900x CPU
AM4 PCIe 4 Motherboard
64GB DDR4 3200 RAM
Gen 4x4 Nvme
Nvidia 2080 ti
@@NOTAM1 thank you
What's the difference between this and the justflight Hawk? Are they the same plane?
All the default aircrafts in the hangar are displayed empty, with no pilots. Why does this plane have pilots always sitting in the cockpit? Looks weird to me.
Quick note this model is part of DCS project so texture quality and model is much higher . Frecce Tricolori Virtuali and Indiafoxtecho making this for DCS as full study level
Yup... can't wait as the current model from FTV won't install on 1.5.6 open beta. Was going to compare the two.
I can't get the AP to function properly, meaning i can't get it to hold heading or altitude..is there a special sequence that needs to be followed?
try enabling autopilot once you've selected your settings in the flight director. (Mind is binded to both my yoke left side and hotas, but I believe Z will turn it on/off) Hope that helps.
i havent started the new MSFS 2020 for a long time, can i download MB339 in the game? is it free? cost money??
i have the plane and i love it. i cannot figure out the flight director though. is there a way to get it to hold a heading or altitude?
Most aircraft with nose wheel steering of that nature, should have an option to lock the nose wheel for takeoff. Is that an option that was maybe not noticed? Just curious.
I mentioned it, but only in passing that the green light above anti-skid is on until a certain speed. Usually you could as you suggest turn this on for taxi and then off before takeoff. I guess because its a lite version of the model it's just doing this for you, but I wish I could turn it off.
Great review thanks. Only thing, graphically, that irritates me are the "blank" mirrors. They dont reflect anything! Pity we cant turn them, as in DCS! Also, I thought the RNav function follows the MSFS flight plan?
I love this aircraft. It has custom sounds if you set the sim to fsx legacy mode. Not tested it myself though.
Bought this over the weekend because I have be dying to get my hands on a jet to fly the Sidewinder low level route through the Sierra Nevada and into Death Valley, CA. I flew the route 3 times over the weekend and did 6 passes through Star Wars canyon on the Jedi transition. It was a blast! I really like the way this little trainer flies. I did notice the buffeting that has been mentioned however. But, it wasn't enough to be discouraging in my opinion.
I did notice a few things:
1. I don't see a strobe or beacon rendered on the aircraft? I have both turned on but you do not see them modeled?
2. I dialed in an ILS / DME on 2 separate airports (Edwards AFB and RAF Valley) and never got the localizer? Glidescope captures and works but localizer and DME did not?
3. There needs to be an adjustment made to the sound file for after the canopy is closed. The volume stays the same. I had to go into menu and crank down the engine sound.
Overall, great little airplane. I also flew it around the mach loop in Wales! Much fun!
Hey Jimmy, have yet to do death valley but thanks for the idea. Mach loop is on the list.
For flying ILS approach check here.
th-cam.com/video/f9Jexl_i2Mc/w-d-xo.html
I actually flew this tonight to check in case I made a mistake after your comment, hit record and did a drunken voice over
HEY NOTAM where are you flying the aircraft around it looks so beautiful is it Utah ?
Looks gorgeous! I would definitely buy it right now...except MSFS 2020 now crashes to desktop after the last patch. Sigh...
That sucks. I've been pretty lucky with the CTD's so far with only a few days of issue that was resolved. I have a video on it if by chance this is your issue. (I realize there are a number of reasons it could do this). The biggest reason I've seen is mainthread limitations which that video can help you resolve. NOTE: it may not be AI traffic for you, but instead v-sync or something else. Use that video to help diagnose what may be limiting your mainthread.
@@NOTAM1 Thank you. Appreciated.
I am slowly troubleshooting it in between 3 hr (US West Coast North/South) flights in XP11. 😉
i cannot wait to buy this one. i would also love the video on how to navigate accurately.
@Bao Mao: I have the same problem, the devs know about it but don't appear to be in a hurry to resolve it will be done in some future patch. I turned off all AI and live aircraft and rarely use the map, the world is a bit sterile but at least I can finish a flight, I noticed with every patch so far it gets worse.
@@ZedsDeadOK I found that starting the flight at KRNT would always crash after clicking “Fly” so as a final try before giving up, I fully reinstalled MSFS 2020 and it STILL had the issue.
Thankfully, before pulling the plug for good on MSFS 2020 I decided to try one more tweak - departing from an airport I know, KVGT (N. Las Vegas). Surprisingly, seemed to work as I then completed a lengthy DA-62 flight up to KEDU (Davis, California) VERY strange yet VERY frustrating.
While happy about this result, I am now in no hurry to invest more effort or money into MSFS 2020 until they make it stable. (Fortunately, I am able to fall back in to XP11.) I feel taken advantage of as a customer. ☹️
If this releases on the marketplace in game and has full checklists, I am getting it. Otherwise not really.
Its definitely coming to marketplace. I don't know if it will have checklists in any updates though.
What a nice review, thank you. But I've got a bit confused - could you confirm it actually has an altitude hold and heading hold switches? Can I get up and make myself a coffee without crashing?
There is altitude hold and heading for Flight Director only (as in the real plane.) Some add-ons or configuring switches on your Hotas or keyboard, from what I've seen, allow you to activate them, but there's nothing in the cockpit to do so.
Good start for a jet trainer.
I agree. Good things to come in the next year I think.
@@NOTAM1 True sims only 2 months old.
Thanks for your review! I was looking for a website that lists all the releases for MSFS cause it can get confusing quite fast with so many developers but I didnt really find a reliable one. I think I wont be using any website but your channel instead! I know this is totally off topic but seeing more and more addon aircraft make it to the game, does anyone know how they'll be displayed in multiplayer? Will another player flying an addon aircraft be displayed with a generic model to me, or will they not be displayed at all? (Or will I actually see the addon aircraft if it was purchased on the marketplace or something like that?)
How does the speed match up to real life speeds? I heard it tops out at 280 kts while the real plane goes to 480. Is this true?
I've been over 400 knots in this during the review video, so not true. I have seen people flying it with full flaps and speed brake down claiming it doesn't go faster. NOTE: it starts cold and dark with full flaps and speed brake.
Witch one is the best ?! Mb-339 or the Typhoon ?!
That's it, i'm buying it.
ahhhh, you are weak like me :)
Hi, thanks for the video. Can i ask you what is your setup to be able to run FS at 4k 60fps?
With this video I was running a 3900X/64GB 3200RAM/4 Gen NVME/2080 ti
Is this coming to the MSFS Marketplace? I was hoping to avoid buying 3rd party software from other stores.
Yes, I know he's applied but its usually 20-30 days between application and listing. They're probably overwhelmed as there are over 1000 applications at the moment.
You mentioned not having V speeds.
Set T/O pitch-96 knots, Liftoff-106 knots.
Instrument pattern 200 knots, base to FAF 140 knots, Final 115 knots (.49 AOA)
From Avialogs.com
Thanks Parrot, still haven't looked them up so this is very helpful.
Does anyone know if there would be any issues with purchasing aircraft if I'm only on the GamePass version of MFS? I think I'll purchase ultimate version on Steam in the future for VR and while on special
None that I know of, especially from orbx central or simmarket. You should for instance if purchased from a third party like this to be able to install on MS or steam version even if you switch.
@@NOTAM1 Awesome, thought that might be the case. Thanks for answering :) love the content!
Insane details! Good review. What an excellent craftsmanship! I'm curious if a developer of an aircraft is constrained by the same flight physics model as the default aircrafts or has he access to some deeper more advanced physics features? To be honest the shortages in FS2020 default aircraft flight physics are really degrading my motivation piloting any aircraft in its inventory. Does this FS2020 pay ware aircraft possess more true to life behavior for instance in crosswind situation? I am almost in agony when doing crosswind landings in FS2020 default aircrafts because of the sudden shift between air and ground physics in the touch down. Its like all flying physics are removed in an instance and the aircraft becomes a car on the runway.
Controls feel a lot "robotic" (for the lack of a better analogy) a bit too artificial just like on some default planes which makes me worry if it's the MFS limitation meaning that it's gonna be a problem to improve flight modelling for future. Still a very nice plane but overall jerky sensitivity prevails.
I don't understand...why release a base version? Why not just release a study level from the beginning?
Hey Banshee. The development time required for study level would be much greater. Sometimes these lite versions fund the development of the study level version also. I also happen to know that in order to do this aircraft in a study level variant, you would need to do things that the current SDK doesn't support.
you forgot to pull the pin for the ejection seat :P its a nice plane to fly :-)
Great video, thanks. How do you move your views both inside and outside the plane - with a mouse, head tracker or something else? It looks smooth. For example 8:05 onwards when showing the stick and the panels.
Thanks KIM, I use trackIR head tracker.
@@NOTAM1 ok thanks. I tried Smoothtrack but it's nowhere as smooth as this and pretty laggy as well. Probably your powerful CPU helps here too though
@@k1mfor I've used trackIR for more years than I can remember, (since the original flaming cliffs which turnded into DCS). I've never had any lag whatsoever. I've never used any other tracking software so I can't attest to them, but trackIR has always been spot on. Hope that helps.
Awesome video! What did you do to install this plane? I bought it from simmarket, downloaded and extracted the zip, and placed it into my community folder, yet when I load the game the plane is not there.
I had the same problem. In my case I extracted the sub-level folders and put them in the community folder, but that wasn't correct. You need to put the entire top-level folder in. Hope that helps. Although looking at the date of this post, I hope you solved it long ago.
Great and informative review. Thank you.+1 Sub
Thanks Highway.
How did you get rid of the GUI in the hangar?
I don't, I just zoom in to the clip in post production to crop it out.
Hoping IndiaFoxtEcho releases their F-35 for msfs 2020
He mentioned that eventually yes, but that aircraft requires more development in the current SDK
@@NOTAM1 awesome thanks
What an awesome review, and video! Would you consider sharing your computer specs? Wow!
AMD 3900x / Pcie 4 mb / 64GB 3200 Ram / Gen 4 nvme / 2080 ti
@@NOTAM1 Thank you for your time, much appreciated!
Great video. Do you have a tutorial on cold and dark start up. Also any advise on how to prevent fluttering in-flight?
Cold and Dark Here: th-cam.com/video/oflFKBy0Q9g/w-d-xo.html
Nice plane, I love it, but I don't know what i did bad but my dash is pixeleted, no reflexion, just a granular shadow. (all at ultra)
Another thing I noticed is that radios and transponder don’t exactly work.
I've had no issue's with radios. Left console (top radio is com1 I believe, use that). Not sure what type of transponder is in this, didn't check because MS doesn't let you tune it anyway. As soon as you ask for flight following they switch it for you. This probably has a friend or foe type system that wouldn't be supported.
Enjoying your reviews. Thanks. When you mention the flight model feels realistic and plausible at 15:30 the plane is bobbing dramatically. This seems to be characteristic of aircraft when in the external view. This isn’t natural. Is it a flaw in the sim’s flight modeling SDK?
I think its more creative direction on external views. I don't get this sensation in cockpit during flight, but need to revisit this as its being brought to light by many like yourself. Just haven't had the time to revisit it yet.
@@NOTAM1 I decided to purchase the MB-339 and try it for myself. It is a beautiful plane and fun to fly. I find it to be extremely pitch sensitive though. Not just from a "view" perspective but from a flight perspective. Up to now I had basically flown the pitts and the 172. The Pitts is very sesitive in every axis and not having flown one for real wrote it off to it being a little, nimble, high performance aircraft. After flying the 339 I experimented with other aircraft and as a pilot, believe that MSFS has an issue with it's pitch modeling.
@@wrap239 The Pitts is sensitive but has huge control surfaces. Its not for beginners in RL or sim. I just realized that I may not have noticed this as much, as I have my controls with a curve near the dead zone to make all aircraft less sensitive. I haven't really thought of this since, but now that you mentioned it, this was one of the first things I noticed day 1 which is why I spent a lot of time in a 172 getting the feel right by changing my axis curves on yoke and hotas until the curves were input just right. It may be why I'm not noticing this so much in reviews though.
@@NOTAM1 I appreciate the conversation. I know your busy. I finally went to the MS development update. I noticed the Oct 15 update listed "pitch oscillation issue" as a Bug that was to be addressed in update 5/update 9. The Bug was not however, included in the Oct 22 developement update. Apparently it's a known issue. Hopefully they didn't drop it off the "to-do" list! In the mean time I have to figure out how to create control curves for my Brunner stick. Good talking to you. Appreciate all the "NOTAMS!"
@@wrap239 np Parrot, the pitch oscillation issue is different. Pitch Osc. exhibits itself when seeing an aircraft start to pitch up then down then up etc... over and over. This happens during AP Flight level changes and altitude holds. You definitely want to create curves for your pitch axis. Also rudder was very sensitive for me and I reduced rudder input by 50%.